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    Mitch TRUBISKY is the best QB available ( FA/Draft/or Trade) Where does he go???

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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2022 - 6:10 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by HabsHater88:

    Bears gave away the farm to get Tribusky and Nagys system butchered his abilities.. I didn’t like him in UNC but he showed a lot of shining moments..  I think he played well in both of his playoff losses.  I don’t think Tomlin can be patient with him. He would be good with Sean Payton running some unorthodox offense

    Trubisky, Glennon, Daniel, Dalton, Foles.  And I doubt he will do anything with Fields either.  peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by HabsHater88:

    Bears gave away the farm to get Tribusky and Nagys system butchered his abilities.. I didn’t like him in UNC but he showed a lot of shining moments..  I think he played well in both of his playoff losses.  I don’t think Tomlin can be patient with him. He would be good with Sean Payton running some unorthodox offense

    Trubisky, Glennon, Daniel, Dalton, Foles.  And I doubt he will do anything with Fields either.  peace_5

     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2022 - 12:45 PM ET #27

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    Atlanta and Dave Ragone might like him.  He was the QB coach in his pro bowl year.  There is speculation about Ryan going to the Steelers. Maybe Giants with Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll would be interested.  Depends, amazing enough, on whether they trade Barkley and Bradberry.  It completely depends on the direction they try to go to get under the cap and prepare for the draft.  Nobody wants to see Bradberry traded.   But like one guy quoting Branch Rickey about Ralph Kiner, “We finished last with you and we can finish last without you.” Maybe the Steelers would prefer Trubisky over Winston and Bridgewater simply because of his better mobility, which Canada wants in his offense. Someone like Washington or Carolina could bring him in for cheap to push their current starter, knowing he can step in if said starter looks terrible. New Orleans might have been a good fit. Sean Payton could’ve revived Mitch. I think he deserves another shot. Mitch isn’t a mobile QB, I’ve seen that label for him a lot & he’s really a guy who has decent straight-line speed(4.7) like Aaron Rodgers but he’s not a dependable runner(prone to nagging injuries). He’s an ineffective scrambler who struggles navigating a pocket, rolling him out the pocket gives u the best Mitch Trubisky cuz he doesn’t have to do those things but you then cut down the field to throw to & the time he has to throw it. He’s got the arm for sure, but with iffy accuracy.   Like one guy said, “Squint hard enough, and he looks better than some of the alternatives.” “Squint long enough, and you can talk yourself into anything.”

    So many possible landing spots for the FA qbs ...Really hope Trubisky gets a chance on a competitive team ...Think the season  on the bench  working on his craft that Trubs will take a major step forward..

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    Atlanta and Dave Ragone might like him.  He was the QB coach in his pro bowl year.  There is speculation about Ryan going to the Steelers. Maybe Giants with Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll would be interested.  Depends, amazing enough, on whether they trade Barkley and Bradberry.  It completely depends on the direction they try to go to get under the cap and prepare for the draft.  Nobody wants to see Bradberry traded.   But like one guy quoting Branch Rickey about Ralph Kiner, “We finished last with you and we can finish last without you.” Maybe the Steelers would prefer Trubisky over Winston and Bridgewater simply because of his better mobility, which Canada wants in his offense. Someone like Washington or Carolina could bring him in for cheap to push their current starter, knowing he can step in if said starter looks terrible. New Orleans might have been a good fit. Sean Payton could’ve revived Mitch. I think he deserves another shot. Mitch isn’t a mobile QB, I’ve seen that label for him a lot & he’s really a guy who has decent straight-line speed(4.7) like Aaron Rodgers but he’s not a dependable runner(prone to nagging injuries). He’s an ineffective scrambler who struggles navigating a pocket, rolling him out the pocket gives u the best Mitch Trubisky cuz he doesn’t have to do those things but you then cut down the field to throw to & the time he has to throw it. He’s got the arm for sure, but with iffy accuracy.   Like one guy said, “Squint hard enough, and he looks better than some of the alternatives.” “Squint long enough, and you can talk yourself into anything.”

    So many possible landing spots for the FA qbs ...Really hope Trubisky gets a chance on a competitive team ...Think the season  on the bench  working on his craft that Trubs will take a major step forward..

     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2022 - 1:42 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Atlanta and Dave Ragone might like him.  He was the QB coach in his pro bowl year.  There is speculation about Ryan going to the Steelers. Maybe Giants with Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll would be interested.  Depends, amazing enough, on whether they trade Barkley and Bradberry.  It completely depends on the direction they try to go to get under the cap and prepare for the draft.  Nobody wants to see Bradberry traded.   But like one guy quoting Branch Rickey about Ralph Kiner, “We finished last with you and we can finish last without you.” Maybe the Steelers would prefer Trubisky over Winston and Bridgewater simply because of his better mobility, which Canada wants in his offense. Someone like Washington or Carolina could bring him in for cheap to push their current starter, knowing he can step in if said starter looks terrible. New Orleans might have been a good fit. Sean Payton could’ve revived Mitch. I think he deserves another shot. Mitch isn’t a mobile QB, I’ve seen that label for him a lot & he’s really a guy who has decent straight-line speed(4.7) like Aaron Rodgers but he’s not a dependable runner(prone to nagging injuries). He’s an ineffective scrambler who struggles navigating a pocket, rolling him out the pocket gives u the best Mitch Trubisky cuz he doesn’t have to do those things but you then cut down the field to throw to & the time he has to throw it. He’s got the arm for sure, but with iffy accuracy.   Like one guy said, “Squint hard enough, and he looks better than some of the alternatives.” “Squint long enough, and you can talk yourself into anything.” So many possible landing spots for the FA qbs ...Really hope Trubisky gets a chance on a competitive team ...Think the season  on the bench  working on his craft that Trubs will take a major step forward..

    Yes.  You are right.  But I just do not know how many competitive teams will take a FA -- unless TB and PITT, maybe NO.  Sadly, those guys that could really use being surrounded by a good supporting cast -- won't be.  They will, once again, be put in a bad spot on a weaker team, where a team is desperate and they look marginal at best. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Atlanta and Dave Ragone might like him.  He was the QB coach in his pro bowl year.  There is speculation about Ryan going to the Steelers. Maybe Giants with Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll would be interested.  Depends, amazing enough, on whether they trade Barkley and Bradberry.  It completely depends on the direction they try to go to get under the cap and prepare for the draft.  Nobody wants to see Bradberry traded.   But like one guy quoting Branch Rickey about Ralph Kiner, “We finished last with you and we can finish last without you.” Maybe the Steelers would prefer Trubisky over Winston and Bridgewater simply because of his better mobility, which Canada wants in his offense. Someone like Washington or Carolina could bring him in for cheap to push their current starter, knowing he can step in if said starter looks terrible. New Orleans might have been a good fit. Sean Payton could’ve revived Mitch. I think he deserves another shot. Mitch isn’t a mobile QB, I’ve seen that label for him a lot & he’s really a guy who has decent straight-line speed(4.7) like Aaron Rodgers but he’s not a dependable runner(prone to nagging injuries). He’s an ineffective scrambler who struggles navigating a pocket, rolling him out the pocket gives u the best Mitch Trubisky cuz he doesn’t have to do those things but you then cut down the field to throw to & the time he has to throw it. He’s got the arm for sure, but with iffy accuracy.   Like one guy said, “Squint hard enough, and he looks better than some of the alternatives.” “Squint long enough, and you can talk yourself into anything.” So many possible landing spots for the FA qbs ...Really hope Trubisky gets a chance on a competitive team ...Think the season  on the bench  working on his craft that Trubs will take a major step forward..

    Yes.  You are right.  But I just do not know how many competitive teams will take a FA -- unless TB and PITT, maybe NO.  Sadly, those guys that could really use being surrounded by a good supporting cast -- won't be.  They will, once again, be put in a bad spot on a weaker team, where a team is desperate and they look marginal at best. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2022 - 7:07 PM ET #29

    Current odds from my large local ( update on right) 

    STEELERS  +165. +185

    COMMIES  +240. +425

    BRONCOS +395.  +365

    COLTS +425.  +400 

    SANITS. +450.  +700 

    GIANTS  +750     +575

    BILLS  +1300.  +2000

    Panthers.  OTB.   +850 

    OTHER  +950.       +1000

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    Current odds from my large local ( update on right) 

    STEELERS  +165. +185

    COMMIES  +240. +425

    BRONCOS +395.  +365

    COLTS +425.  +400 

    SANITS. +450.  +700 

    GIANTS  +750     +575

    BILLS  +1300.  +2000

    Panthers.  OTB.   +850 

    OTHER  +950.       +1000

     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2022 - 7:41 AM ET #30

    I think he probably goes to Pittsburgh. They won't want to make any big moves and doubt they just want to punt off an entire year with Mason Rudolph at qb. If they start Rudolph I will probably have my biggest bet ever on Steelers under win total. an_popcorn

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    I think he probably goes to Pittsburgh. They won't want to make any big moves and doubt they just want to punt off an entire year with Mason Rudolph at qb. If they start Rudolph I will probably have my biggest bet ever on Steelers under win total. an_popcorn

     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2022 - 10:21 AM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyMcGehee:

    I think he probably goes to Pittsburgh. They won't want to make any big moves and doubt they just want to punt off an entire year with Mason Rudolph at qb. If they start Rudolph I will probably have my biggest bet ever on Steelers under win total.

     

    Agree with Rudolph I think the max wins is 6 , could see 3-4 .....He stinks imo 

    Highly doubt they disappoint the rabid fan base with him,  especially after there where empty seats in the stadium last season 

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyMcGehee:

    I think he probably goes to Pittsburgh. They won't want to make any big moves and doubt they just want to punt off an entire year with Mason Rudolph at qb. If they start Rudolph I will probably have my biggest bet ever on Steelers under win total.

     

    Agree with Rudolph I think the max wins is 6 , could see 3-4 .....He stinks imo 

    Highly doubt they disappoint the rabid fan base with him,  especially after there where empty seats in the stadium last season 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2022 - 4:55 PM ET #32

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    ESPN insider Jeremy Fowler pegged Trubisky, who is a free agent, as one player who is about to surprise some folks with the deal he signs this offseason. “A few players have emerged as candidates for ‘wow’ numbers early in free-agency talks,” Fowler wrote on March 6.

    According to Fowler, backing up Bills QB Josh Allen and learning a new offense in Buffalo under ex-offensive coordinator (and current New York Giants coach) Brian Daboll was one of the best things Trubisky could have done for his career.

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    ESPN insider Jeremy Fowler pegged Trubisky, who is a free agent, as one player who is about to surprise some folks with the deal he signs this offseason. “A few players have emerged as candidates for ‘wow’ numbers early in free-agency talks,” Fowler wrote on March 6.

    According to Fowler, backing up Bills QB Josh Allen and learning a new offense in Buffalo under ex-offensive coordinator (and current New York Giants coach) Brian Daboll was one of the best things Trubisky could have done for his career.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2022 - 4:59 PM ET #33

    Current odds from my large local ( update on right) 

    STEELERS  +165. +185.  +175

    COMMIES  +240. +425.  +275

    BRONCOS +395.  +365.   OTB 

    COLTS +425.  +400.       +375

    SANITS. +450.  +700.       +575

    GIANTS  +750     +575.    +375?

    BILLS  +1300.  +2000.      +3500

    Panthers.  OTB.   +850.     +975

    OTHER  +950.       +1000.   +1200 

     

     

     

    These are horrible prices angry

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    Current odds from my large local ( update on right) 

    STEELERS  +165. +185.  +175

    COMMIES  +240. +425.  +275

    BRONCOS +395.  +365.   OTB 

    COLTS +425.  +400.       +375

    SANITS. +450.  +700.       +575

    GIANTS  +750     +575.    +375?

    BILLS  +1300.  +2000.      +3500

    Panthers.  OTB.   +850.     +975

    OTHER  +950.       +1000.   +1200 

     

     

     

    These are horrible prices angry

     
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    I fully understand that a team change is good for a rejuvenation sometimes.  I understand that some QBs progress way more than others.  But I am so confused why so many people think the Steelers would be better with Trubisky than Rudolph or, even, another FA.  Maybe they do not like Rudolph long-term, but to me he knows the offense and the organization and would be as good a stop gap -- if that is what you want -- as any FA.  No way, should they be looking at Trubisky for a long-term starter.  There would not be a big drop off from this year -- Look at Big Ben's performance this year.  You could even make the case they might improve without Big Ben of this year.  I like Ben and he is an alltime elite talent -- just not this past year.  Tomlin has never had a losing season -- including 2019 without a much better Big Ben.  No way at all would I see them having a big drop off.  You can make the point that bringing Trubisky in would be a good competitive push.  But you could argue it might hurt a guy's confidence level that a team has no faith in him also.  Then  you have one or both guys looking over their shoulder every time they make a bad throw.

    When you look at some of the advanced metrics from 2019 on Trubisky, Rudolph and 2021 Roethlisberger there really is not much difference.

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    I fully understand that a team change is good for a rejuvenation sometimes.  I understand that some QBs progress way more than others.  But I am so confused why so many people think the Steelers would be better with Trubisky than Rudolph or, even, another FA.  Maybe they do not like Rudolph long-term, but to me he knows the offense and the organization and would be as good a stop gap -- if that is what you want -- as any FA.  No way, should they be looking at Trubisky for a long-term starter.  There would not be a big drop off from this year -- Look at Big Ben's performance this year.  You could even make the case they might improve without Big Ben of this year.  I like Ben and he is an alltime elite talent -- just not this past year.  Tomlin has never had a losing season -- including 2019 without a much better Big Ben.  No way at all would I see them having a big drop off.  You can make the point that bringing Trubisky in would be a good competitive push.  But you could argue it might hurt a guy's confidence level that a team has no faith in him also.  Then  you have one or both guys looking over their shoulder every time they make a bad throw.

    When you look at some of the advanced metrics from 2019 on Trubisky, Rudolph and 2021 Roethlisberger there really is not much difference.

     
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                                            Rating        IQR       WAR      Boom%       Bust %      PAA        EPA         POS%      PE/play
    2019 Rudolph                  82           91.8          .1          19.1           18.5        -.069      -35.81      41.9            .057
    2019 Trubisky                 83           81.2        0.0          19.1           16.1        -.083      -41.63      43.1            .035
    2019 Rodgers                 94.8      109.1        3.3          19.5           13.6          .098        19.7        44.8            .217

    2021 Roethlisberger      86.8        82.5        -.8            19.1            17.4        -.008      -70.72     40.1           -.008
    2021 Rodgers               111.9    114.8           3.1          24.1           12.3          .092       82.19     48.1             .217

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    2019 Rudolph                  82           91.8          .1          19.1           18.5        -.069      -35.81      41.9            .057
    2019 Trubisky                 83           81.2        0.0          19.1           16.1        -.083      -41.63      43.1            .035
    2019 Rodgers                 94.8      109.1        3.3          19.5           13.6          .098        19.7        44.8            .217

    2021 Roethlisberger      86.8        82.5        -.8            19.1            17.4        -.008      -70.72     40.1           -.008
    2021 Rodgers               111.9    114.8           3.1          24.1           12.3          .092       82.19     48.1             .217

     
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    Well the wrap-around messed that up.  But my point was those three years 2019 for the two and 2021 for Ben were about the same.  I put in Rodgers for both years for reference.

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    Well the wrap-around messed that up.  But my point was those three years 2019 for the two and 2021 for Ben were about the same.  I put in Rodgers for both years for reference.

     
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     I appreciate you posting the stats here Brother an_praise...

    For me personally strongly believe the BEARS were holding him back from his potential,  and a year in Buffalo working hard on his game in practice will pay massive dividends both financially and on the field ...

    Only time will tell though an_popcorn

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     I appreciate you posting the stats here Brother an_praise...

    For me personally strongly believe the BEARS were holding him back from his potential,  and a year in Buffalo working hard on his game in practice will pay massive dividends both financially and on the field ...

    Only time will tell though an_popcorn

     
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    Current odds:

    • Commanders +300
    • Giants +400
    • Panthers +500
    • Broncos +600
    • Steelers +700
    • Colts +800
    • Saints +900
    • Browns +1000
    • Bucs +1100
    • Seahawks +1500

    Wete these current odds somewhere??? NO idea how I missed this post...Been happening a lot lately ...Need some new readers 

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    Current odds:

    • Commanders +300
    • Giants +400
    • Panthers +500
    • Broncos +600
    • Steelers +700
    • Colts +800
    • Saints +900
    • Browns +1000
    • Bucs +1100
    • Seahawks +1500

    Wete these current odds somewhere??? NO idea how I missed this post...Been happening a lot lately ...Need some new readers 

     
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    No problem Double --  just numbers do not reflect all of the intangibles.  But still with some of these advanced numbers they do show some of what the conventional ones do not show.

    Either way I just do not see Tomlin getting Trubisky.  I do hope he goes to a good organization.  Otherwise, people will just say he couldn't prove himself because he was on another bad team, etc.

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    No problem Double --  just numbers do not reflect all of the intangibles.  But still with some of these advanced numbers they do show some of what the conventional ones do not show.

    Either way I just do not see Tomlin getting Trubisky.  I do hope he goes to a good organization.  Otherwise, people will just say he couldn't prove himself because he was on another bad team, etc.

     
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    I have followed the Steelers much but are they just not sold on Mason. I lived him at State. Won a ton of money on him. Thought he was a good, value draft pick.

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    I have followed the Steelers much but are they just not sold on Mason. I lived him at State. Won a ton of money on him. Thought he was a good, value draft pick.

     
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    Current odds from my large local ( update on right) 

    STEELERS  +165. +185.  +175. +225

    COMMIES  +240. +425.  +275. OTB 

    BRONCOS +395.  +365.   OTB 

    COLTS +425.  +400.   +375.    +275

    SANITS. +450.  +700.       +575. +600 

    GIANTS  +750     +575.    +375?   +275

    BILLS  +1300.  +2000.      +3500. +4000

    Panthers.  OTB.   +850.     +975.  +775

    OTHER  +950.       +1000.   +1200. +1100 

     

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    Current odds from my large local ( update on right) 

    STEELERS  +165. +185.  +175. +225

    COMMIES  +240. +425.  +275. OTB 

    BRONCOS +395.  +365.   OTB 

    COLTS +425.  +400.   +375.    +275

    SANITS. +450.  +700.       +575. +600 

    GIANTS  +750     +575.    +375?   +275

    BILLS  +1300.  +2000.      +3500. +4000

    Panthers.  OTB.   +850.     +975.  +775

    OTHER  +950.       +1000.   +1200. +1100 

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    I have followed the Steelers much but are they just not sold on Mason. I lived him at State. Won a ton of money on him. Thought he was a good, value draft pick.

     

    I liked him in college as well , thought he might be a good sleeper in the NFL ...just isn't panning out I guess....Tough to be decent behind the porous O LINE 

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    I have followed the Steelers much but are they just not sold on Mason. I lived him at State. Won a ton of money on him. Thought he was a good, value draft pick.

     

    I liked him in college as well , thought he might be a good sleeper in the NFL ...just isn't panning out I guess....Tough to be decent behind the porous O LINE 

     
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    Again, I think too much of this is perception.  Yes, if Rudolph was a QB that held the ball all day or something.

    But look at the Steelers Blown Blocking %:

    All Plays BB%: 2.103% -- 10th in league

    Pass BB%: 1.981% -- 2nd in league

    Run BB%:  2.273%  -- 21st in league

    Points Earned/Blocking -- 188.4 --  4th in league

    WAR as a blocking team — 1.1 — 10th in league

    Only 14 holds — 8th in league

    133 total blown blocks — 11th in league

    73 blown pass blocks — 8th in league

    38 sacks — 16th in league

     

    So, their pass blocking was very good.  Part of it is that Ben got rid of the ball quicker than he used to, etc.  But I think their line will do fine as far as pass protection goes.

    Pittsburgh is not a bad team and it is hard to imagine they will be a worse team with Rudolph instead of Ben.  Especially if RB situation turns out to be what it is expected to be with a healthy RB.  I understand if there was a great FA to get, but there just isn’t.  It would not surprise me if they got Winston, or even Mariota, but I don’t see a need for that.

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    Again, I think too much of this is perception.  Yes, if Rudolph was a QB that held the ball all day or something.

    But look at the Steelers Blown Blocking %:

    All Plays BB%: 2.103% -- 10th in league

    Pass BB%: 1.981% -- 2nd in league

    Run BB%:  2.273%  -- 21st in league

    Points Earned/Blocking -- 188.4 --  4th in league

    WAR as a blocking team — 1.1 — 10th in league

    Only 14 holds — 8th in league

    133 total blown blocks — 11th in league

    73 blown pass blocks — 8th in league

    38 sacks — 16th in league

     

    So, their pass blocking was very good.  Part of it is that Ben got rid of the ball quicker than he used to, etc.  But I think their line will do fine as far as pass protection goes.

    Pittsburgh is not a bad team and it is hard to imagine they will be a worse team with Rudolph instead of Ben.  Especially if RB situation turns out to be what it is expected to be with a healthy RB.  I understand if there was a great FA to get, but there just isn’t.  It would not surprise me if they got Winston, or even Mariota, but I don’t see a need for that.

     
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     Where did Pitt rank for checkdowns screens, passes behind the LOS, etc.  This would affect all of those numbers. I didn't watch a ton of Steelers' games but when I did, I seemed as if Big Ben was snapping the ball and immediately checking it down. Like he had no time but being a wily vet, he would just (snap, dump). This is just perception though. I watched very few Steeler games. What do the numbers say?

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     Where did Pitt rank for checkdowns screens, passes behind the LOS, etc.  This would affect all of those numbers. I didn't watch a ton of Steelers' games but when I did, I seemed as if Big Ben was snapping the ball and immediately checking it down. Like he had no time but being a wily vet, he would just (snap, dump). This is just perception though. I watched very few Steeler games. What do the numbers say?

     
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    Yes.  As I mentioned, Big Ben was getting the ball and getting it out.  He used to hold the ball a little long and try to extend the play to make something happen.

    But like one article pointed out, he did not have to do this because the pass blacking was shaky — he was just doing it.  He averaged a pocket time of 2.1 seconds.

    For comparison, Rodgers 2.2, Brady Burrow Mahomes 2.3.

    So, even though Ben was getting rid of the ball quick, the other QBs that were getting rid of it quick did not have as good a pass blocking line that the Steelers did, except maybe the Bucs.

    But Ben has been doing this pretty much for the last few years — not just last year.  So, it was not out of necessity.  I think once he said RPOs were the reason.  Maybe there is some truth to that because the line is run blocking and you are forced to get rid of the ball quicker.

    But it was not because he was under pressure from a lack of pass blocking.

    There was not really any difference in his checkdowns or defense-reading this year — compared to the last couple of years.   

    Basically, the Steelers had the 2nd best pass blocking line.  Top 5 for sure.

    As much as I like Big Ben, the Steelers were winning despite him because he had deteriorated so much.

    The blocking% will look at missed assignments, which Steelers didn’t have very many.  So, he wasn’t getting rid of the ball because of a blown assignment.  They will also look at how long you had to hold the block.  They will try not to penalize you if, say your QB is holding the ball for 2.8 seconds and everyone else is around 2.4 seconds.

    The speculation is that Ben still had a bad/sore shoulder, etc.  But his IAY/PA was 6.7 yds — 2nd lowest in the league.

    So, you are absolutely right that he was throwing the ball shorter.  peace_5

      But that also was, apparently, by his design or choice — sore shoulder, necessity because of more run/pass option setups.

    For example, off the top of my head — so may be off on this — espn?  Has a ranking for pass/run/total blocking %.  And in that one Steelers are very near the bottom if I remember.  But theirs is logged as a blank time amount 2.5? held.  So without digging into whether they take into account a shorter passing game like Ben was running now as opposed to an Arians or White-type offense, I do not put much stock in that one.

    Being good at initial assignment blocks, fewer sack %, fewer holding calls, etc. — tends to show that their line was not the problem.

    The problem was a deteriorating Big Ben.

    Your point is very valid that he may have been a savvy, wily veteran that make the reads quicker and dumped the ball off more often.

    But that would not explain why the line did as well with Rudolph, who for sure is not a wily, savvy veteran.

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    Yes.  As I mentioned, Big Ben was getting the ball and getting it out.  He used to hold the ball a little long and try to extend the play to make something happen.

    But like one article pointed out, he did not have to do this because the pass blacking was shaky — he was just doing it.  He averaged a pocket time of 2.1 seconds.

    For comparison, Rodgers 2.2, Brady Burrow Mahomes 2.3.

    So, even though Ben was getting rid of the ball quick, the other QBs that were getting rid of it quick did not have as good a pass blocking line that the Steelers did, except maybe the Bucs.

    But Ben has been doing this pretty much for the last few years — not just last year.  So, it was not out of necessity.  I think once he said RPOs were the reason.  Maybe there is some truth to that because the line is run blocking and you are forced to get rid of the ball quicker.

    But it was not because he was under pressure from a lack of pass blocking.

    There was not really any difference in his checkdowns or defense-reading this year — compared to the last couple of years.   

    Basically, the Steelers had the 2nd best pass blocking line.  Top 5 for sure.

    As much as I like Big Ben, the Steelers were winning despite him because he had deteriorated so much.

    The blocking% will look at missed assignments, which Steelers didn’t have very many.  So, he wasn’t getting rid of the ball because of a blown assignment.  They will also look at how long you had to hold the block.  They will try not to penalize you if, say your QB is holding the ball for 2.8 seconds and everyone else is around 2.4 seconds.

    The speculation is that Ben still had a bad/sore shoulder, etc.  But his IAY/PA was 6.7 yds — 2nd lowest in the league.

    So, you are absolutely right that he was throwing the ball shorter.  peace_5

      But that also was, apparently, by his design or choice — sore shoulder, necessity because of more run/pass option setups.

    For example, off the top of my head — so may be off on this — espn?  Has a ranking for pass/run/total blocking %.  And in that one Steelers are very near the bottom if I remember.  But theirs is logged as a blank time amount 2.5? held.  So without digging into whether they take into account a shorter passing game like Ben was running now as opposed to an Arians or White-type offense, I do not put much stock in that one.

    Being good at initial assignment blocks, fewer sack %, fewer holding calls, etc. — tends to show that their line was not the problem.

    The problem was a deteriorating Big Ben.

    Your point is very valid that he may have been a savvy, wily veteran that make the reads quicker and dumped the ball off more often.

    But that would not explain why the line did as well with Rudolph, who for sure is not a wily, savvy veteran.

     
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     I think the line helped to make a very aged Ben look better than he was — and he looked bad.  

    Instead of Ben — getting rid of the ball quickly— making the line look good. 

    I could be wrong on this.  But that is why I did a comparison with Rudolph, Trubisky and the weak FA field this year.  

    But for sure we are about to find out if they fare better without Big Ben.  

    I think they do.  an_cheers

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     I think the line helped to make a very aged Ben look better than he was — and he looked bad.  

    Instead of Ben — getting rid of the ball quickly— making the line look good. 

    I could be wrong on this.  But that is why I did a comparison with Rudolph, Trubisky and the weak FA field this year.  

    But for sure we are about to find out if they fare better without Big Ben.  

    I think they do.  an_cheers

     
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     Makes sense. That big, lumbering body didn't age well. Big Ben is like the anti-Brady. I promise you that guy wasn't avoiding any inflammatory foods to extend his playing career. Like I said, I watched few Steeler games so I didn't have an opinion one way or the other but a diminished Ben would explain what I was seeing.

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     Makes sense. That big, lumbering body didn't age well. Big Ben is like the anti-Brady. I promise you that guy wasn't avoiding any inflammatory foods to extend his playing career. Like I said, I watched few Steeler games so I didn't have an opinion one way or the other but a diminished Ben would explain what I was seeing.

     
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     The ‘anti-Brady’.  Ouch. That’s harsh. an_roll_laugh

    ‘Diminished’ was the word I needed. Better than ‘deteriorated’.  I made him sound like an old house.  an_light

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     The ‘anti-Brady’.  Ouch. That’s harsh. an_roll_laugh

    ‘Diminished’ was the word I needed. Better than ‘deteriorated’.  I made him sound like an old house.  an_light

     
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     I mean, if describing his body itself, deteriorating works for me. I was more speaking of his game, his level of physical capability, etc. That's why I used diminished. His deteriorating body would explain his diminished skills. He's old. His body's falling apart. Brady is over here avoiding bell pepper, which is delicious, he's an Irishman avoiding taters. Big Ben is riding Hayabusas with no helmet.

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     I mean, if describing his body itself, deteriorating works for me. I was more speaking of his game, his level of physical capability, etc. That's why I used diminished. His deteriorating body would explain his diminished skills. He's old. His body's falling apart. Brady is over here avoiding bell pepper, which is delicious, he's an Irishman avoiding taters. Big Ben is riding Hayabusas with no helmet.

     
     
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