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    nfl playoff-Jets at Bengals (write-up)

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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2010 - 11:30 AM ET #1

    What goes up must come down...eventually.  The Jets dominated the Bengals on all fronts in Week 17 playing with the utmost passion, desire, and urgency.  On the other side, the Bengals team was able to muster only one first down in the first half due to penalty and its defense got totally gashed by the Jets running game.  At this point, the Jets could not look any better to the betting world and the Bengals could not look any worse.

    In looking at the result of this game ultimately you have to ask who wanted it more.  That answer is obviously the Jets.  The Bengals simply did not need this game.  Yes, they were playing for the 3rd seed in the playoffs but they already had a home game next week locked up.  In my opinion, Marvin Lewis was taking a let’s see what happens approach.  The following excerpt was taken from an article written by Geoff Hobson:

        “Even as the players headed to the bus to take them to The Meadowlands for Sunday night’s game, they weren’t sure how Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis was going to play the regular-season finale against the Jets.

        “What’s going on?” asked one starter and when the answer was a shrug, he shrugged back.

        Head coach Marvin Lewis tipped his hand with the inactive list when he sat starting running back Cedric Benson and started rookie Bernard Scott. Also out are three defensive starters, tackle Domata Peko, left end Robert Geathers and safety Chris Crocker, and one offensive starter, tight end J.P. Foschi.”

    First off, if your playing to win this game you don’t sit two of your strongest defensive lineman and starting running back in addition to two other starters.  Second, when a starter from your team has no idea what the game plan is or how serious they were taking the game I would classify that as a bad sign.  I think that Lewis was going to see where the game was going before he made any big decisions.  If the game is tight or they were winning, he would play to win.  If not, he would scale back the game plan and not disclose too much information.

    Do not forget who this Jets team is.  This is the same team who in a must win game in Week 15 at home against the Falcons laid an egg.  This is the same defensive unit who has given up 4 last possession game winning drives by the other team throughout the season.  This is the same team who has a rookie quarterback with 12 touchdown passes, 20 interceptions, and 63.2 QB rating who has to go into a hostile playoff game on the road.  This is an inconsistent team who’s almost there but not quite yet.

    As far as the Bengals, I’ve see a lot of people already writing them off saying they haven’t looked good down the stretch.  It’s true, they haven’t in losing 3 of the last 4 games. The first game was on the road at Minnesota which was a great bounce back spot for the Vikings.  The second game was also on the road where they went toe to toe with San Diego, arguably one of the top 2 teams in the NFL, falling 27-24 in the last seconds.  They won their next game 17-10 over the Chiefs, a gritty team who has been playing extremely hard and just pounded the Denver Broncos on the road.  And their final game was the clunker at the Meadowlands.  If you look at the losses, all three happened on the road against playoff teams.  This Bengal team is still 6-2 at home with victories over Pittsburgh and Baltimore.  Heck, this team could be 7-1 at home if not for the fluke loss in Week 1 against the Denver Broncos.  This is the same team that also won on the road at Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Green Bay.  This is the team that has gotten little to no respect all season.  This is the same team that has a top rushing defense in the league yielding 98.3 a game.

    But what about the 257 rushing yards the Jets gained against the Bengals defense you ask?  The Bengals were without two of their stronger defensive lineman and a starting safety and were pushed around by the Jets offensive line.  I don’t anticipate that happening as much next week.  Also, the Bengals were done in by missed tackles which can be corrected with a much better effort that I believe will be brought next week, in a game that counts much more than a regular season game.  A lot of the Jets damage was done in the Wildcat with Brad Smith.  He gained 92 yards on 4 carries.  The Jets showed their hand a little bit and the Bengals now have time to prepare for it.  If you take those 4 carries away, the Jets gained a measly 3.1 yards a carry.  Thomas Jones himself only averaged 2.9 yards a carry.

    The Jets cannot play any better than they did in Week 17.  On national tv on Sunday night, they embarrassed a good Cincinnati Bengals team.  This week the Bengals will be ready for the Jets and will deliver their own best shot.  We now get a 6-2 (borderline 7-1) home team at less than the 3 points home field yields.

    The Play: Cincinnati -2.5 or better. 
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    What goes up must come down...eventually.  The Jets dominated the Bengals on all fronts in Week 17 playing with the utmost passion, desire, and urgency.  On the other side, the Bengals team was able to muster only one first down in the first half due to penalty and its defense got totally gashed by the Jets running game.  At this point, the Jets could not look any better to the betting world and the Bengals could not look any worse.

    In looking at the result of this game ultimately you have to ask who wanted it more.  That answer is obviously the Jets.  The Bengals simply did not need this game.  Yes, they were playing for the 3rd seed in the playoffs but they already had a home game next week locked up.  In my opinion, Marvin Lewis was taking a let’s see what happens approach.  The following excerpt was taken from an article written by Geoff Hobson:

        “Even as the players headed to the bus to take them to The Meadowlands for Sunday night’s game, they weren’t sure how Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis was going to play the regular-season finale against the Jets.

        “What’s going on?” asked one starter and when the answer was a shrug, he shrugged back.

        Head coach Marvin Lewis tipped his hand with the inactive list when he sat starting running back Cedric Benson and started rookie Bernard Scott. Also out are three defensive starters, tackle Domata Peko, left end Robert Geathers and safety Chris Crocker, and one offensive starter, tight end J.P. Foschi.”

    First off, if your playing to win this game you don’t sit two of your strongest defensive lineman and starting running back in addition to two other starters.  Second, when a starter from your team has no idea what the game plan is or how serious they were taking the game I would classify that as a bad sign.  I think that Lewis was going to see where the game was going before he made any big decisions.  If the game is tight or they were winning, he would play to win.  If not, he would scale back the game plan and not disclose too much information.

    Do not forget who this Jets team is.  This is the same team who in a must win game in Week 15 at home against the Falcons laid an egg.  This is the same defensive unit who has given up 4 last possession game winning drives by the other team throughout the season.  This is the same team who has a rookie quarterback with 12 touchdown passes, 20 interceptions, and 63.2 QB rating who has to go into a hostile playoff game on the road.  This is an inconsistent team who’s almost there but not quite yet.

    As far as the Bengals, I’ve see a lot of people already writing them off saying they haven’t looked good down the stretch.  It’s true, they haven’t in losing 3 of the last 4 games. The first game was on the road at Minnesota which was a great bounce back spot for the Vikings.  The second game was also on the road where they went toe to toe with San Diego, arguably one of the top 2 teams in the NFL, falling 27-24 in the last seconds.  They won their next game 17-10 over the Chiefs, a gritty team who has been playing extremely hard and just pounded the Denver Broncos on the road.  And their final game was the clunker at the Meadowlands.  If you look at the losses, all three happened on the road against playoff teams.  This Bengal team is still 6-2 at home with victories over Pittsburgh and Baltimore.  Heck, this team could be 7-1 at home if not for the fluke loss in Week 1 against the Denver Broncos.  This is the same team that also won on the road at Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Green Bay.  This is the team that has gotten little to no respect all season.  This is the same team that has a top rushing defense in the league yielding 98.3 a game.

    But what about the 257 rushing yards the Jets gained against the Bengals defense you ask?  The Bengals were without two of their stronger defensive lineman and a starting safety and were pushed around by the Jets offensive line.  I don’t anticipate that happening as much next week.  Also, the Bengals were done in by missed tackles which can be corrected with a much better effort that I believe will be brought next week, in a game that counts much more than a regular season game.  A lot of the Jets damage was done in the Wildcat with Brad Smith.  He gained 92 yards on 4 carries.  The Jets showed their hand a little bit and the Bengals now have time to prepare for it.  If you take those 4 carries away, the Jets gained a measly 3.1 yards a carry.  Thomas Jones himself only averaged 2.9 yards a carry.

    The Jets cannot play any better than they did in Week 17.  On national tv on Sunday night, they embarrassed a good Cincinnati Bengals team.  This week the Bengals will be ready for the Jets and will deliver their own best shot.  We now get a 6-2 (borderline 7-1) home team at less than the 3 points home field yields.

    The Play: Cincinnati -2.5 or better. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2010 - 11:50 AM ET #2

    Bengals win if Marvin Lewis finds the way to stop Jets' run game on Saturday.
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    Bengals win if Marvin Lewis finds the way to stop Jets' run game on Saturday.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2010 - 11:58 AM ET #3

    Love the pick, and excellent write-up.

    GL this weekend
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    Love the pick, and excellent write-up.

    GL this weekend
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2010 - 11:59 AM ET #4

    they willl stop the run with geathers peko crocker back.. also bengals will run all day with cedric back in there
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    they willl stop the run with geathers peko crocker back.. also bengals will run all day with cedric back in there
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2010 - 12:03 PM ET #5

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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2010 - 12:06 PM ET #6

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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2010 - 3:21 PM ET #7

    Great writeup and I am with you.
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    Great writeup and I am with you.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2010 - 3:35 PM ET #8

    Great write up but there is no way bengals win that game,sorry!!GL23-10 NYJets
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    Great write up but there is no way bengals win that game,sorry!!GL23-10 NYJets
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2010 - 4:10 PM ET #9

    Great write-up...you stated your case well...i am SHOCKED this line is currently under three....
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    Great write-up...you stated your case well...i am SHOCKED this line is currently under three....
     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2010 - 10:13 AM ET #10

    i was fully intending to play cinncy, but this jets teams response scares me. they have a swagger that makes me believe they believe they are cued for a run...im not betting against cinncy, but until i see some intangibles turn thier way, i cant bet on them either. i will be researching this game w a keen eye on the under though.

    nfl playoff favorite, philly +4---this is andy reid v. wade

    donovan v. romo

    dallas is not a winner in its current constitution, i had them against n.o. 3 weeks ago straight up, and the last 2 weeks as well. it was all situational. there is no situation to favor them this week. i believe philly keeps foot on the petal and takes dallas away from thier best chance (a game they run 60% of the time) and romo does what romo does, hangs his head. Over is the total here for me.

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    i was fully intending to play cinncy, but this jets teams response scares me. they have a swagger that makes me believe they believe they are cued for a run...im not betting against cinncy, but until i see some intangibles turn thier way, i cant bet on them either. i will be researching this game w a keen eye on the under though.

    nfl playoff favorite, philly +4---this is andy reid v. wade

    donovan v. romo

    dallas is not a winner in its current constitution, i had them against n.o. 3 weeks ago straight up, and the last 2 weeks as well. it was all situational. there is no situation to favor them this week. i believe philly keeps foot on the petal and takes dallas away from thier best chance (a game they run 60% of the time) and romo does what romo does, hangs his head. Over is the total here for me.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2010 - 11:25 AM ET #11

    .... one of the better writeups
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    .... one of the better writeups
     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2010 - 12:50 PM ET #12

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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2010 - 1:01 PM ET #13

    This one will be too close to call.  Jets D is a force in the league and their offense simply can't move the ball through the air.  I am a Jets fan and have watched every game this season and I will be the first to admit that we are not a team anyone should be scared of but I think the Bengals will have trouble moving the ball against our defense and the Jets will chip away at them little by little.  I see a low scorer.  Maybe 17-14 or something like that. 
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    This one will be too close to call.  Jets D is a force in the league and their offense simply can't move the ball through the air.  I am a Jets fan and have watched every game this season and I will be the first to admit that we are not a team anyone should be scared of but I think the Bengals will have trouble moving the ball against our defense and the Jets will chip away at them little by little.  I see a low scorer.  Maybe 17-14 or something like that. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2010 - 2:18 PM ET #14

    A for effort buddy... But the JETS are a matchup disaster for the Bungals.
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    A for effort buddy... But the JETS are a matchup disaster for the Bungals.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2010 - 3:26 PM ET #15

    100% correct..Play on cincy and on ravens in the AFC
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    100% correct..Play on cincy and on ravens in the AFC
     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2010 - 4:30 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by 53percent:

    i was fully intending to play cinncy, but this jets teams response scares me. they have a swagger that makes me believe they believe they are cued for a run...im not betting against cinncy, but until i see some intangibles turn thier way, i cant bet on them either. i will be researching this game w a keen eye on the under though.

    nfl playoff favorite, philly +4---this is andy reid v. wade

    donovan v. romo

    dallas is not a winner in its current constitution, i had them against n.o. 3 weeks ago straight up, and the last 2 weeks as well. it was all situational. there is no situation to favor them this week. i believe philly keeps foot on the petal and takes dallas away from thier best chance (a game they run 60% of the time) and romo does what romo does, hangs his head. Over is the total here for me.

    I totally agree 53percent.  At this point I still characterize Dallas as "frontrunners."   I think they fold if they go down by one single point.  This weekend is the first time since the San Diego game that they've had the full weight of expectations and pressure squarely on their shoulders, and I see them reverting back to their usual m.o., ie. choking.  Phillips and Romo have never delivered under expectations and pressure, and I suspect that they probably never will.  And before someone brings up the Saints game, let me say that was different because they had finally been written off by EVERYONE after years of disappointment and thus had no expectations to meet going into the game.  Now they are at home and in the playoffs and carrying a full bandwagon of fans, admirers, and expectations, and that will, as usual, foreshadow their doom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 53percent:

    i was fully intending to play cinncy, but this jets teams response scares me. they have a swagger that makes me believe they believe they are cued for a run...im not betting against cinncy, but until i see some intangibles turn thier way, i cant bet on them either. i will be researching this game w a keen eye on the under though.

    nfl playoff favorite, philly +4---this is andy reid v. wade

    donovan v. romo

    dallas is not a winner in its current constitution, i had them against n.o. 3 weeks ago straight up, and the last 2 weeks as well. it was all situational. there is no situation to favor them this week. i believe philly keeps foot on the petal and takes dallas away from thier best chance (a game they run 60% of the time) and romo does what romo does, hangs his head. Over is the total here for me.

    I totally agree 53percent.  At this point I still characterize Dallas as "frontrunners."   I think they fold if they go down by one single point.  This weekend is the first time since the San Diego game that they've had the full weight of expectations and pressure squarely on their shoulders, and I see them reverting back to their usual m.o., ie. choking.  Phillips and Romo have never delivered under expectations and pressure, and I suspect that they probably never will.  And before someone brings up the Saints game, let me say that was different because they had finally been written off by EVERYONE after years of disappointment and thus had no expectations to meet going into the game.  Now they are at home and in the playoffs and carrying a full bandwagon of fans, admirers, and expectations, and that will, as usual, foreshadow their doom.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by pied_piper:

    I totally agree 53percent.  At this point I still characterize Dallas as "frontrunners."   I think they fold if they go down by one single point.  This weekend is the first time since the San Diego game that they've had the full weight of expectations and pressure squarely on their shoulders, and I see them reverting back to their usual m.o., ie. choking.  Phillips and Romo have never delivered under expectations and pressure, and I suspect that they probably never will.  And before someone brings up the Saints game, let me say that was different because they had finally been written off by EVERYONE after years of disappointment and thus had no expectations to meet going into the game.  Now they are at home and in the playoffs and carrying a full bandwagon of fans, admirers, and expectations, and that will, as usual, foreshadow their doom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pied_piper:

    I totally agree 53percent.  At this point I still characterize Dallas as "frontrunners."   I think they fold if they go down by one single point.  This weekend is the first time since the San Diego game that they've had the full weight of expectations and pressure squarely on their shoulders, and I see them reverting back to their usual m.o., ie. choking.  Phillips and Romo have never delivered under expectations and pressure, and I suspect that they probably never will.  And before someone brings up the Saints game, let me say that was different because they had finally been written off by EVERYONE after years of disappointment and thus had no expectations to meet going into the game.  Now they are at home and in the playoffs and carrying a full bandwagon of fans, admirers, and expectations, and that will, as usual, foreshadow their doom.

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    Nice work, bushman9.  I thought this thread deserved to be pushed to the top of Page 1 here on game day.  I'm on the Bengalcats at -3 +125.
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    Nice work, bushman9.  I thought this thread deserved to be pushed to the top of Page 1 here on game day.  I'm on the Bengalcats at -3 +125.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

    Nice work, bushman9.  I thought this thread deserved to be pushed to the top of Page 1 here on game day.  I'm on the Bengalcats at -3 +125.
    Mr Bator, good to hear that. Who do you like tonight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

    Nice work, bushman9.  I thought this thread deserved to be pushed to the top of Page 1 here on game day.  I'm on the Bengalcats at -3 +125.
    Mr Bator, good to hear that. Who do you like tonight?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 9, 2010 - 2:03 PM ET #21

    The Jets are coming in on a roll winning 5 of 6 as well as covering in those 5 wins. While, the Bengals have not played very well since the mid-season mark. They have lost 3 of 4 and have covered 1 game in their last 7. With that being said I believe we are getting pretty good value on the Bengals because of their recent struggles and Jets success over a favorable schedule in their last 5 wins they have beaten Carolina, Buffalo, Tampa and undermanned Indy and Cincy clubs. 

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    The Jets are coming in on a roll winning 5 of 6 as well as covering in those 5 wins. While, the Bengals have not played very well since the mid-season mark. They have lost 3 of 4 and have covered 1 game in their last 7. With that being said I believe we are getting pretty good value on the Bengals because of their recent struggles and Jets success over a favorable schedule in their last 5 wins they have beaten Carolina, Buffalo, Tampa and undermanned Indy and Cincy clubs. 

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    Well said in your write up, solid points throughout.  You did leave out the only reason the Jets are in the playoffs are the last two games they played teams in the playoffs resting players.  I think both NE and Cincy thought "why not let a team with a rookie QB and who we think we could beat easily into the playoff".  Oh and both teams get to rest their players and heal. 

    I like Cincy and feel Jets are the most over rated and least talented team in the playoffs.  They do have a good defense but not Ravens Superbowl winning good.  Sanchez will prob have throw 3 picks and can't wait to get the alternate line on the game from my book.  I just bet the alternate line wager on Cincy -7.5  +190.  I don't think this game stay within 14.

    Good luck

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    Well said in your write up, solid points throughout.  You did leave out the only reason the Jets are in the playoffs are the last two games they played teams in the playoffs resting players.  I think both NE and Cincy thought "why not let a team with a rookie QB and who we think we could beat easily into the playoff".  Oh and both teams get to rest their players and heal. 

    I like Cincy and feel Jets are the most over rated and least talented team in the playoffs.  They do have a good defense but not Ravens Superbowl winning good.  Sanchez will prob have throw 3 picks and can't wait to get the alternate line on the game from my book.  I just bet the alternate line wager on Cincy -7.5  +190.  I don't think this game stay within 14.

    Good luck

     
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    Posted: Jan. 9, 2010 - 2:37 PM ET #23

    Pardon the poor English and poorly written style within my last post.  Accidentally submitted without proofreading....the meaning still comes through but pretty ugly verbage at times....

    Take care

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    Pardon the poor English and poorly written style within my last post.  Accidentally submitted without proofreading....the meaning still comes through but pretty ugly verbage at times....

    Take care

     
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    Posted: Jan. 9, 2010 - 2:39 PM ET #24

    I know this may not matter but the owner of the Jets daughter just died (Tila Tequila's fiance) does that even matter? I always follow when someone on the team dies, or someone related to the team dies they play their heart out and usually wins. Now, i know that the owner is not the coach or player but do you think the Jets will play a little harder?
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    I know this may not matter but the owner of the Jets daughter just died (Tila Tequila's fiance) does that even matter? I always follow when someone on the team dies, or someone related to the team dies they play their heart out and usually wins. Now, i know that the owner is not the coach or player but do you think the Jets will play a little harder?
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

    Nice work, bushman9.  I thought this thread deserved to be pushed to the top of Page 1 here on game day.  I'm on the Bengalcats at -3 +125.

    Mr. B, I am not happy going aginst you in this game.  Cincy excluding week 17's no show game have averaged under 18 points a game over 8 games.  Cincy's last 7 games, they have gone 3-4 with wins over Clev, Det and KC.

     

    I realize the Jets have had 2 no show wins in a row with wins over Car, Buf and TB (nothing to get too excited about) and a 3 point loss to Atl in thier last 6.

    I just see them playing better right now and Cincy's long past thier peak.

    Are you expecting Cincy to find thier pass game or just that the Jets will find nothing offensively today to cover the -3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

    Nice work, bushman9.  I thought this thread deserved to be pushed to the top of Page 1 here on game day.  I'm on the Bengalcats at -3 +125.

    Mr. B, I am not happy going aginst you in this game.  Cincy excluding week 17's no show game have averaged under 18 points a game over 8 games.  Cincy's last 7 games, they have gone 3-4 with wins over Clev, Det and KC.

     

    I realize the Jets have had 2 no show wins in a row with wins over Car, Buf and TB (nothing to get too excited about) and a 3 point loss to Atl in thier last 6.

    I just see them playing better right now and Cincy's long past thier peak.

    Are you expecting Cincy to find thier pass game or just that the Jets will find nothing offensively today to cover the -3?

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