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You don't explain jack.  You just run your mouth making outrageous fanboy opinions and don't provide any facts to back them up because you are a) too lazy to look them up or b) know that the facts don't support any of your nonsense and just want to keep droning on with whatever garbage makes your fragile ego feel better.

Hate to say it, but you will wake up tomorrow and Brett Favre will still not be your quarterback.  So if you want to crawl up into a fetal position and mourn your only chance to reach a Super Bowl (however remote it was in the first place) we'll understand.

Oh, and just to save your lazy ass the time, here are Urlacher's credentials for the HOF.
- NFL Defensive ROY
- NFL Defensive POY in 2006 (only player in history to win both awards)
- 4 time ALL PRO inside linebacker
- 6 time Pro Bowler

Only a Viqueens fanboy would deny Urlacher is destined for the HOF and is past his prime at age 31.  And only a true mental midget with absolutely zero football acumen would claim that a defense that creates turnovers and wins games is "lucky".  Tell that to the 2000 Ravens and the 2002 Buccaneers and the countless other college and pro champtionship football teams that were better at creating turnovers than their opponents.

If there truly is a God in this world, then social services will save your poor child from growing up with a crackhead for a father.  

niners, but no value....

There you go again, running your lil mouth and making yourself look like another teenager that loves cartoons haha.  Our chances of making the big game are better than the Bears.  We are better at ALL FACETS OF THE GAME (I will give you the QB position, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Cutler fucks up in this city). 

Relying on the TO is too high risk.  That was YOUR ONLY chance to win some of those games.  Sucks that they couldn't do it more vs the Colts haha.  It was great to see the city mourn such a pitiful loss.  Please, never compare the 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs with the 2006 Bears you fuckin' HOMER lol. 

And, for Urlacher.  He is PAST HIS PRIME.  He isn't even the leader on that defense anymore LOL.  IF he gets into the HOF, it will be a loooong time from after his career.  overRATED

Bears have a clear advantage over VIkings in the following areas:

QB - and it's not even close.  The most important position on the field, especially in the postseason as Kurt Warner demonstrated to the Queens last year.

LB - Show me anyone on the planet not named MDAAKD that thinks the Vikings have a better unit.  You'll waste a lot of time finding them.

TE - Chris Olsen and Desmond Clark, nuff said.

Special Teams - Bears have had one of the best if not the best all around special teams units for the last 3 years.  Hester, Manning, Robbie Gould, etc.

Coaching - Lovie Smith, Rod Marinelli, etc. vs. Childress et al

Positions that I'll just call a wash:

Offensive Line - The Bears will have a better unit than the Vikes this year (hell, they protected the QB much better last year than the Vikes).  You keep harping on 60% being new.  Well, the Vikes have replaced 40% of their OL.  Nice try, but you're going to have to come up with a better argument than that.

CB - Nathan Vasher and Charles Tillman vs. Antione Winfiled and some other no name.  Bears fans would call this an advantage.  I'll just call it a wash since the difference is probably negligible.

DL - I would put this as a Vikings advantage, but the Steroids bros. will both miss four games this year which will cripple the defense.  We'll also have to see how they perform now that they can't juice up.

Positions where Vikings have an advantage:

RB - AP and Taylor vs. Forte and KJ.  Not as big an advantage as casual NFL fans would think.  Bears Tandem will be in the top 10, at least, if not the top 5.  All fantasy lists have Forte between No. 2 and No. 4 RB.

WR - Better than the Bears, but not really all that strong in their own right.  Plus, who the hell is going to throw them the ball?

Safety - All I know is that the Bears have problems with this position.  Don't know about the VIkes here, I believe they lost a quality veteran here or two. 

LB - Bears with 10 pro bowls, 6 all-pros.  Vikings with none of each.  Game, Set, Match.  And just for extra credit, Pisa Tinoisamoa led the Rams in tackles 3 out of the last 5 years including last year.  There ins't a better unit in the NFL.  EJ Henderson?  That's funny.

So you give the benefit of the doubt to a rookie with questionable character over proven veterans (in 2 cases pro bowlers) such as Jay Cutler, Orlando Pace, Frank Omiyale and Pisa Tinoisamoa because they are playing for a new team?  That is brilliant logic.  I bow to your supreme football knowledge.

CB - Tillman was passed over for Winfield in the pro bowl last year, which is a criminal joke.  Here are the stats:

2008 Tillman 17 PD 4 FF 3 INT vs. Winfield 11 PD 4 FF 2 INT

Career Tillman 83 games 77 PD (avg  0.93/game) 16 FF 20 INT vs. Winfield 144 games 93 PD (avg. 0.65/game) 10 FF 20 INT

Winfield can't hold Tillman's jock and (according to your definition) is "past his prime" at age 32.

I'll save you the embarassment and not show you the stats of Vasher vs. Griffin.  So... CB isn't even close.

The offensivle line in 2008: Bears - 29 sacks allowed and 4 (count 'em, four) fumbles by RBs.  Vikings - 43!!!!! sacks allowed and 13 fumbles by RBs.  You, sir, haven't a clue what you're talking about.

TE: 2008 Olsen + Clark 92 rec 941 yds 6 TD vs. Shiancoe +Kleinsasser 48 rec 688 yds 7 TD.  Again, not even close and I'll save you the embarassment of comparing career stats.

Wow.  Making you look like a fool is endless fun.

P.S.  I'll take our DL with 16 games of starters vs. Vikings DL with 12 games from starters 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

And here I thought you ran off like every other time someone shreds you up in ANY NFL argument LOL.

Our LB corps is the MOST underrated group in the league.  Analysts from the NFL Network to FSN have stated this so I guess they don't know what they are talking about either hahaa.

Tillman Vs. Winfield???  Please son.  Winfield is a great run stopper on top of his top 10 coverage ability.  No contest.  And, isn't TILLMAN HURT haha.  Vasher is ole news and on the downswing.  My friends even think so too and they are all Bears fans.  Griffin is getting better each year, period.

POLL THE FORUM NOW RE: THE BEARS O LINE COMPARED TO THE VIKINGS O LINE AND I GUARANTEE THAT 80% OR BETTER SAY THE VIKINGS.  Anyone that has remote knowledge of the game knows this LOL...

Shaincoe is a better receiving TE than Olsen (insert stats here) and Kleinsasser is a better BLOCKING TE than Clark.  Next. . . . .

This is TOO EASY making you look like a fool.  I won't even go on about the best D line in the game. 

And, how many teams DO you root for LOL.  Let me guess, you were a 49ers fan in the 80s and a Cowboys fan in the 90s looking from your retarded avatar (which is a HORRIBLE photoshop example btw)

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What's too easy?  Convincing yourself that you have won an argument without the support of a single piece of data or objective analysis?

I'll make you a wager.  If the Vikings finish ahead of the Bears in the 2009 regular season, I'll never post on these forums ever again.  If the Bears finish ahead of the Vikings this year, you can never post on these forums again.

I've already got a side wager that you are too box to take the bet.  Put your "money" where your mouth is.

It's not about convincing kid.  I know the facts, however you, on the otherhand, are just another dillusional Bears fan that thinks his team is going to do high and mighty things because you made additions in the offseason  News flash dipshit, additions don't mean JACK if they don't work well together.  Hell, even some of my friends that know a lot more about the game than you agree with that statement.  It's not the video game Madden LOL. 

I WILL GLADLY TAKE THAT BET.  Pretty pathetic if you have a "side wager" if I bet you or not lol.  What are you, 19?  Did you bet your lunch money?

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Check out the Poll on this link. 

Saints win the South.

Their offense is explosive and the Defense will be 3x better.

Scheduling also favors them as Atlanta and Carolina will be facing steep upgrades in rushing defense and overall defense while the Saints only get a very small upgrade.

You have to look at the schedule as well, not just the teams, before you make a choice.

Saints win the NFC South +200. 

I know, most of the public loves Chicago LOL. 

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