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    NFL WEEK 5 ................................2024

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    DogbiteWilliams
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2024 - 9:01 PM ET #51

    @theclaw

    While I like NO, I could only manage enthusiasm for a one-unit wager.  KC and Mahomes have proven that they can manage without a star player.  Rashee Rice has been practically deified on the sports talk shows, and I believe in the "Injuries are Bullshxt" theory.  Of course one cannot query for injuries at Killer Sports or Gimme the Dog, so I am unable to validate my theory which could be the result of confirmation bias.

    The two major power raters vastly disagree on this game, and I guess it's because of their differing opinions on NO since they both have KC ranked #1.  Jeff Sagarin has KC -6.65 and Ken Massey has KC -2.92.

    Let's see what happens.

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    While I like NO, I could only manage enthusiasm for a one-unit wager.  KC and Mahomes have proven that they can manage without a star player.  Rashee Rice has been practically deified on the sports talk shows, and I believe in the "Injuries are Bullshxt" theory.  Of course one cannot query for injuries at Killer Sports or Gimme the Dog, so I am unable to validate my theory which could be the result of confirmation bias.

    The two major power raters vastly disagree on this game, and I guess it's because of their differing opinions on NO since they both have KC ranked #1.  Jeff Sagarin has KC -6.65 and Ken Massey has KC -2.92.

    Let's see what happens.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2024 - 5:28 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    I don't see how KC can be no.1 in any PR. Point margin is a better indicator then record, the only thing KC is good at is record. Ave per pass margin is 6.7- 6.5 = .2 how can that be a no. 1 team ? Mahomes Passer Rating is 89, league ave is 91. A below league ave Passer is no. 1 ? I think he is giving KC to much credit for past success not how they have done this season.

    Not sure what you mean by "Ave per pass margin" The Chiefs Yards Per Pass Attempt YPPA - Off/Def is 7.5/6.8 for a .7 margin.

    Sagarin ratings are always heavily weighted with previous season results.  I agree the Chiefs don't look to be the best team in the NFL right now.  That being said, the Chiefs are one of only 2 undefeated teams, and are back to back SB Champs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    I don't see how KC can be no.1 in any PR. Point margin is a better indicator then record, the only thing KC is good at is record. Ave per pass margin is 6.7- 6.5 = .2 how can that be a no. 1 team ? Mahomes Passer Rating is 89, league ave is 91. A below league ave Passer is no. 1 ? I think he is giving KC to much credit for past success not how they have done this season.

    Not sure what you mean by "Ave per pass margin" The Chiefs Yards Per Pass Attempt YPPA - Off/Def is 7.5/6.8 for a .7 margin.

    Sagarin ratings are always heavily weighted with previous season results.  I agree the Chiefs don't look to be the best team in the NFL right now.  That being said, the Chiefs are one of only 2 undefeated teams, and are back to back SB Champs.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2024 - 11:59 PM ET #53

    N.O. bettors like me suffered a half-point ATS loss.  Damn, those rankle.

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    N.O. bettors like me suffered a half-point ATS loss.  Damn, those rankle.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2024 - 10:05 AM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy_Cats:

    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw: I don't see how KC can be no.1 in any PR. Point margin is a better indicator then record, the only thing KC is good at is record. Ave per pass margin is 6.7- 6.5 = .2 how can that be a no. 1 team ? Mahomes Passer Rating is 89, league ave is 91. A below league ave Passer is no. 1 ? I think he is giving KC to much credit for past success not how they have done this season. Not sure what you mean by "Ave per pass margin" The Chiefs Yards Per Pass Attempt YPPA - Off/Def is 7.5/6.8 for a .7 margin. Sagarin ratings are always heavily weighted with previous season results.  I agree the Chiefs don't look to be the best team in the NFL right now.  That being said, the Chiefs are one of only 2 undefeated teams, and are back to back SB Champs.

     

    Not according to football reference. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy_Cats:

    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw: I don't see how KC can be no.1 in any PR. Point margin is a better indicator then record, the only thing KC is good at is record. Ave per pass margin is 6.7- 6.5 = .2 how can that be a no. 1 team ? Mahomes Passer Rating is 89, league ave is 91. A below league ave Passer is no. 1 ? I think he is giving KC to much credit for past success not how they have done this season. Not sure what you mean by "Ave per pass margin" The Chiefs Yards Per Pass Attempt YPPA - Off/Def is 7.5/6.8 for a .7 margin. Sagarin ratings are always heavily weighted with previous season results.  I agree the Chiefs don't look to be the best team in the NFL right now.  That being said, the Chiefs are one of only 2 undefeated teams, and are back to back SB Champs.

     

    Not according to football reference. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2024 - 10:11 AM ET #55

    Week --- 1-3, lost 2.8 units.

    Brutal loss on the Jets. What was Arod doing on that INT ? Jets driving looks like the will get it done, pathetic pass by Arod.

    We need to give Vikes credit though. Right now they are doing everything right.

    Wash , well more like Browns are pathetic, Watson gone out to sea. We talked about it, was a concern.

    Next week Wash moves to an official BF fade, 2 different ways.

    Dolphins kept screwing up over and over but somehow still won SU & ATS. Thankfully.

    We should bounce back this next werk and weeks ahead

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    Week --- 1-3, lost 2.8 units.

    Brutal loss on the Jets. What was Arod doing on that INT ? Jets driving looks like the will get it done, pathetic pass by Arod.

    We need to give Vikes credit though. Right now they are doing everything right.

    Wash , well more like Browns are pathetic, Watson gone out to sea. We talked about it, was a concern.

    Next week Wash moves to an official BF fade, 2 different ways.

    Dolphins kept screwing up over and over but somehow still won SU & ATS. Thankfully.

    We should bounce back this next werk and weeks ahead

     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2024 - 10:13 AM ET #56

    Other system ........ 1-0 ATS.

    How bout those Cowboys .............

    Season --- 5-2

    3 winning weeks, no plays next week.

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    Other system ........ 1-0 ATS.

    How bout those Cowboys .............

    Season --- 5-2

    3 winning weeks, no plays next week.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2024 - 10:15 AM ET #57

    Mahomes just keeps rolling regardless.

    Saints big disappointment, they couldn't  do much on offense at all even when they pulled to 16-14 KC was completely out-playing them.

     

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    Mahomes just keeps rolling regardless.

    Saints big disappointment, they couldn't  do much on offense at all even when they pulled to 16-14 KC was completely out-playing them.

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2024 - 10:16 AM ET #58

    Season --- 8-7, lost .75 units

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    Season --- 8-7, lost .75 units

     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2024 - 11:36 AM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy_Cats: Quote Originally Posted by theclaw: I don't see how KC can be no.1 in any PR. Point margin is a better indicator then record, the only thing KC is good at is record. Ave per pass margin is 6.7- 6.5 = .2 how can that be a no. 1 team ? Mahomes Passer Rating is 89, league ave is 91. A below league ave Passer is no. 1 ? I think he is giving KC to much credit for past success not how they have done this season. Not sure what you mean by "Ave per pass margin" The Chiefs Yards Per Pass Attempt YPPA - Off/Def is 7.5/6.8 for a .7 margin. Sagarin ratings are always heavily weighted with previous season results.  I agree the Chiefs don't look to be the best team in the NFL right now.  That being said, the Chiefs are one of only 2 undefeated teams, and are back to back SB Champs.   Not according to football reference.

    I don't know what you're looking at but the Chiefs Off/Def Yards Per Pass Attempt (YPPA) before Monday's game was 7.5/6.8. That is from multiple sources including Pro Football Reference. Maybe you looked NY/A?

    The Chiefs YPPA Off/Def is now 7.7/6.5.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy_Cats: Quote Originally Posted by theclaw: I don't see how KC can be no.1 in any PR. Point margin is a better indicator then record, the only thing KC is good at is record. Ave per pass margin is 6.7- 6.5 = .2 how can that be a no. 1 team ? Mahomes Passer Rating is 89, league ave is 91. A below league ave Passer is no. 1 ? I think he is giving KC to much credit for past success not how they have done this season. Not sure what you mean by "Ave per pass margin" The Chiefs Yards Per Pass Attempt YPPA - Off/Def is 7.5/6.8 for a .7 margin. Sagarin ratings are always heavily weighted with previous season results.  I agree the Chiefs don't look to be the best team in the NFL right now.  That being said, the Chiefs are one of only 2 undefeated teams, and are back to back SB Champs.   Not according to football reference.

    I don't know what you're looking at but the Chiefs Off/Def Yards Per Pass Attempt (YPPA) before Monday's game was 7.5/6.8. That is from multiple sources including Pro Football Reference. Maybe you looked NY/A?

    The Chiefs YPPA Off/Def is now 7.7/6.5.

     

     

     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2024 - 4:01 AM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    N.O. bettors like me suffered a half-point ATS loss.  Damn, those rankle.

    I thought NO lost 30-36.  It turns out there was a glitch in the Sports Database that showed every road team losing 30-36 (the actual score of TB-ATL).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    N.O. bettors like me suffered a half-point ATS loss.  Damn, those rankle.

    I thought NO lost 30-36.  It turns out there was a glitch in the Sports Database that showed every road team losing 30-36 (the actual score of TB-ATL).

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