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They have been cheating for years a deflated ball helps the running back hold onto the ball better. I do not know what to say other than the the people who run this league are doing a poor job. If not for wagering the games have been impossible to watch with all the flags flying .You can not even enjoy an incompletion when your team is on defense for fear the ref will call some phantom holding penalty across the field no where near the ball was thrown.These hands to the face calls are abysmal. It's a shame I already bet Seattle on a futures bet so I'll just leave it. It's just not the same game I loved growing up been a long time suffering jet fan and now even if they win one day it will mean nothing I truly believe as popular as the game is today it will disappear just as Horse Racing and Boxing has. 



 
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AMEN!! 
Who the hell wants to watch a game decided by guys in striped shirts throwing yellow flags?  Really need to liberalize some holding  rules on defense and offense while keeping all the roughness provisions.
 
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Major League Baseball is in the same boat. Kids in America rarely play it today. It's now soccer and hockey. If you look at rosters, less than 50% are American players. Too many teams and not enough talent to fill rosters has given .200 hitters not only the opportunity to make the Majors, but also to remain in the STARTING lineups. Before posters start claiming the interest and attendance are at a all-time high, every year the World Series' ratings come in worse than the prior year. I truly believe this sport will disappear before the NFL.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by LogCottage:

Major League Baseball is in the same boat. Kids in America rarely play it today. It's now soccer and hockey. If you look at rosters, less than 50% are American players. Too many teams and not enough talent to fill rosters has given .200 hitters not only the opportunity to make the Majors, but also to remain in the STARTING lineups. Before posters start claiming the interest and attendance are at a all-time high, every year the World Series' ratings come in worse than the prior year. I truly believe this sport will disappear before the NFL.
 
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thats the dumbest thing ive ever read.. MLB is going no where.. theres a reason 15 guys in MLB make more money than Lebron.. because of the 162 games and ticket sales/ tv contracts.. MLB players make more money than any sport with their guaranteed contracts. 

Also, it is nearly impossible to work your way through the minors and actually make it to the show.. Yes the foreign players are better.. its because thats all the do all day is play ball.. no school no technology no distractions. 
 
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Impossible to work your way through the minors? The reason these kids know nothing about the fundamentals of the game is because they're rushed through the minors out of desperation to fill Major League rosters. Today's players can't bunt, run bases, hit the cutoff man...and on and on and on. Ever occur to you that their difficulty of getting out of the minors is due to LACK OF TALENT? 
90% of today's MLB players would not have sniffed Double-A ball before expansion. Come back and talk to me when you learn something about the game's history, Junior.
 
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Brady lobbied to have each team have their own balls instead of sharing balls.

In 2007 is when each team had their own balls and incredible as it may seem, beginning in 2007 the Pats fumble rate went way down and stayed way down after. And the won the fumble battle by much larger amounts starting in 2007 and after.

It's incredible the difference,  how that's possible ?

To see the chart it sure looks very fishy.

Would that also explain why Brady has a very poor QBPR throwing the ball over 20 yards, a softer ball would be harder to throw it further possibly.....HHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
 
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Brady's #s were better in the 2nd half using the "correctly" inflated ball.
Stop it.
 
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The days af MLB is also heading downward .The kids of today as well as myself can not handle the length of the games .I remember when games lasted a tidy 2:30 or so.These games have been impossible to sit through.My son is 13 and he and his friends never watch baseball on tv. Our National Pastime has not evolved with the times and at this pace is slowly disappearing. I still am a big fan of MLB,NFL and NBA. I am 47 so I don't know if it's my age but the games have become nearly unwatchable . 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

Brady lobbied to have each team have their own balls instead of sharing balls.

In 2007 is when each team had their own balls and incredible as it may seem, beginning in 2007 the Pats fumble rate went way down and stayed way down after. And the won the fumble battle by much larger amounts starting in 2007 and after.

It's incredible the difference,  how that's possible ?

To see the chart it sure looks very fishy.

Would that also explain why Brady has a very poor QBPR throwing the ball over 20 yards, a softer ball would be harder to throw it further possibly.....HHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

That's interesting, Claw. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by LogCottage:

Brady's #s were better in the 2nd half using the "correctly" inflated ball.
Stop it.


If you read the article about the stats since 2007 you would have a different opinion. You can' t judge something by one half of football.The pats have a great organization but have not won since spy gate and now have been caught playing with balls that absolutely gave them an edge when it comes down to holding onto the football and fumble less than any team in the league by a huge margin. Obviously they will be judged a bit differently by people regardless of what happens Sunday.
With that being said it's just a sign of our times integrity means nothing.
 
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Mark Brunell said on ESPN LIVE last week that he can grip firmer and throw farther with a under-deflated footballs. Guys on that show also agreed with that RB can grab a under-deflated footballs better and hence less likely to fumble.  
 
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I believe the pats fumbled the ball more than the colts in this "deflate game". The difference is the ball either went out of bounds (Edelman) or their own teammate recovered (Vareen).

I believe the only Colts fumble was Cribbs on the punt return (Not a real fumble as he never had possession).

Deflated balls didn't have a no fumble result. Just no turnovers off them
 
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Especially in the rain and cold.. Body language expert on tv just said they were both lying. Did you cheat Brady? I don't think i cheated lol. Correct answer is no
 
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Quote Originally Posted by dillon24:

Especially in the rain and cold.. Body language expert on tv just said they were both lying. Did you cheat Brady? I don't think i cheated lol. Correct answer is no
 
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You guys forget that Stevan Ridley couldn't hold onto the ball to save his job. 
 
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     stupid thread. does this mean team that fumbled the second least  deflated their footballs the second most????????
 
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Quote Originally Posted by gilligansisland:

     stupid thread. does this mean team that fumbled the second least  deflated their footballs the second most????????

 

no your team is the only one doing it

 
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Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

 

no your team is the only one doing it

explain steven ridley.  on ir right now but was benched several times for FUMBLING I guess the pats used different footballs when ridley carried. too many clowns on this site.   

 
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Quote Originally Posted by gilligansisland:

explain steven ridley.  on ir right now but was benched several times for FUMBLING I guess the pats used different footballs when ridley carried. too many clowns on this site.   



Just playing devil's advocate but what does that prove?  Assume for a second that the Patriots have been skirting this rule for several years.  Their fumbles are down in part because of that.  Ridley would have fumbled more had the balls not been underinflated, right?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:



Just playing devil's advocate but what does that prove?  Assume for a second that the Patriots have been skirting this rule for several years.  Their fumbles are down in part because of that.  Ridley would have fumbled more had the balls not been underinflated, right?

that's a fair answer .  let me ask you this,  if by fumbling the least since 2007 means the pats were deflating the football,  does that mean that the team that fumbled the second least since 2007 has been deflating the football the second most ?

 
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I read an excellent article about this. Shady as hell when you look at the teams on the list with the least amount of fumbles.

The Pats are continually at the top with a bunch of dome teams. Hmmmm.

They've been doing this for a long time and finally were exposed.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by nikki_santoro:

thats the dumbest thing ive ever read.. MLB is going no where.. theres a reason 15 guys in MLB make more money than Lebron.. because of the 162 games and ticket sales/ tv contracts.. MLB players make more money than any sport with their guaranteed contracts. Also, it is nearly impossible to work your way through the minors and actually make it to the show.. Yes the foreign players are better.. its because thats all the do all day is play ball.. no school no technology no distractions.


Straight... 162 games.. you better get more $$$

Starting pitchers get it good 30-33 starts a year..
 
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Quote Originally Posted by gilligansisland:

that's a fair answer .  let me ask you this,  if by fumbling the least since 2007 means the pats were deflating the football,  does that mean that the team that fumbled the second least since 2007 has been deflating the football the second most ?


Um sure...because the team that fumbled the 2nd least over any 5 year period over the last 25 years was also a patriots team after 2007, and so were 4 others of the top 6 and they were all 5 year periods after 2007....what a coincidence huh??.  And as expected, the other teams at the top were indoor teams
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by LogCottage:

Brady's #s were better in the 2nd half using the "correctly" inflated ball.
Stop it.

Well then, case closed...lol
Maybe the deflated balls dont help Brady, maybe its done for fumbles as the title of this thread suggests?
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