Do you believe the sportsbook directors and any other entities who report ticket and money volumes on games, especially in the Super Bowl? You’ll hear many directors from major sports books being interviewed and they’re telling people where the sharp money action is and where the public is. If I was a bookmaker, I wouldn’t disclose that. To me, that’s giving up information that could harm you financially and what does having your name printed in an article do? I have a hard time believing it is anything significant from an advertisement perspective. So that leads me to believe that they’re not being honest.
So far I’ve read nothing but articles from various books claiming that they are getting hammered with sharp money on Philly on both ML and -2. Looking at the Covers numbers for the picks of KC and Philly, I see Philly has over 79% of the picks. I believe that probably translates to the public being on Philly as well pretty significantly. Yet, ML and the line itself just became more enticing for Philly bets. That makes no sense from any mathematical logic. I can only believe that sharp action is on the Chiefs and not Philly like the books are saying. Otherwise, they’re committing financial suicide by the way the line moved albeit a small move. Thoughts?
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Do you believe the sportsbook directors and any other entities who report ticket and money volumes on games, especially in the Super Bowl? You’ll hear many directors from major sports books being interviewed and they’re telling people where the sharp money action is and where the public is. If I was a bookmaker, I wouldn’t disclose that. To me, that’s giving up information that could harm you financially and what does having your name printed in an article do? I have a hard time believing it is anything significant from an advertisement perspective. So that leads me to believe that they’re not being honest.
So far I’ve read nothing but articles from various books claiming that they are getting hammered with sharp money on Philly on both ML and -2. Looking at the Covers numbers for the picks of KC and Philly, I see Philly has over 79% of the picks. I believe that probably translates to the public being on Philly as well pretty significantly. Yet, ML and the line itself just became more enticing for Philly bets. That makes no sense from any mathematical logic. I can only believe that sharp action is on the Chiefs and not Philly like the books are saying. Otherwise, they’re committing financial suicide by the way the line moved albeit a small move. Thoughts?
Not only do I believe that those numbers are fraudulent.... But what do you do with them anyway?
I have asked for years any kind of stats regarding if there is this percentage you should bet that at a 60% win rate... Whatever. Nobody has ever come up with any historical data points to support that this is any kind of indicator of results.
So for me, it is a huge waste of time, ultimately it is just noise. Noise that confuses amateur gamblers, and noise that means absolutely zero.
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Not only do I believe that those numbers are fraudulent.... But what do you do with them anyway?
I have asked for years any kind of stats regarding if there is this percentage you should bet that at a 60% win rate... Whatever. Nobody has ever come up with any historical data points to support that this is any kind of indicator of results.
So for me, it is a huge waste of time, ultimately it is just noise. Noise that confuses amateur gamblers, and noise that means absolutely zero.
Not only do I believe that those numbers are fraudulent.... But what do you do with them anyway? I have asked for years any kind of stats regarding if there is this percentage you should bet that at a 60% win rate... Whatever. Nobody has ever come up with any historical data points to support that this is any kind of indicator of results. So for me, it is a huge waste of time, ultimately it is just noise. Noise that confuses amateur gamblers, and noise that means absolutely zero.
Thanks for the response Van. I don’t put much emphasis on it until the Super Bowl. The handle very well could be the biggest handle ever. So there’s an incredible incentive for them to get people to bet a certain way. I bet KC and have futures on them for the SB, but the officiating did seem a bit odd to me. I do think that if Mahomes doesn’t have the incredibly rare unforced fumble, they likely wouldn’t have needed help.
If Mahomes isn’t 100%, I don’t see how KC has a chance in this game, but I’m a square. I see Philly as having the better receivers, both lines…pretty much better everywhere, including QB if Mahomes is still wobbly. Given all these factors, it seems like the line should be -6.5 for Philly. I get recency bias and all of that, but KC has been decimated with injuries and fully healthy, they don’t compare to the talent of Philly in my opinion. The guy who could turn that on its head is Mahomes. But he has to have healthy receivers and he has to be in good health. Neither of those seem likely at this point.
With all of that being said, it seems like the books are universally telling everyone as loudly as they can - the smart money is on Philly. They’re saying this knowing that the public money is coming in on them. Given the magnitude of this game from a handle perspective, I see them getting crushed if Philly covers AND what they’re saying is the truth, this is why I don’t believe them and it makes me wonder why these guys, who make a living running books, seemingly want me to take their money by betting on the Eagles. In essence, I’m thinking that they are confident in a Chiefs victory. And, both the ML and line moved to make a Philly bet more enticing in spite of all that was just said
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Not only do I believe that those numbers are fraudulent.... But what do you do with them anyway? I have asked for years any kind of stats regarding if there is this percentage you should bet that at a 60% win rate... Whatever. Nobody has ever come up with any historical data points to support that this is any kind of indicator of results. So for me, it is a huge waste of time, ultimately it is just noise. Noise that confuses amateur gamblers, and noise that means absolutely zero.
Thanks for the response Van. I don’t put much emphasis on it until the Super Bowl. The handle very well could be the biggest handle ever. So there’s an incredible incentive for them to get people to bet a certain way. I bet KC and have futures on them for the SB, but the officiating did seem a bit odd to me. I do think that if Mahomes doesn’t have the incredibly rare unforced fumble, they likely wouldn’t have needed help.
If Mahomes isn’t 100%, I don’t see how KC has a chance in this game, but I’m a square. I see Philly as having the better receivers, both lines…pretty much better everywhere, including QB if Mahomes is still wobbly. Given all these factors, it seems like the line should be -6.5 for Philly. I get recency bias and all of that, but KC has been decimated with injuries and fully healthy, they don’t compare to the talent of Philly in my opinion. The guy who could turn that on its head is Mahomes. But he has to have healthy receivers and he has to be in good health. Neither of those seem likely at this point.
With all of that being said, it seems like the books are universally telling everyone as loudly as they can - the smart money is on Philly. They’re saying this knowing that the public money is coming in on them. Given the magnitude of this game from a handle perspective, I see them getting crushed if Philly covers AND what they’re saying is the truth, this is why I don’t believe them and it makes me wonder why these guys, who make a living running books, seemingly want me to take their money by betting on the Eagles. In essence, I’m thinking that they are confident in a Chiefs victory. And, both the ML and line moved to make a Philly bet more enticing in spite of all that was just said
Hurts stat line yesterday was 15/25 121 yards 4.8 ypa and one sack.
Mahomes went 29/46 326 yards 7.2 ypa 3 sacks and 2 TD’s.
In a passing league, you think the line should be 6.5 points? KC most likely wins this game. They will get healthy and put it all on the line.
Mahomes is head and shoulders about Hurts. It’s not even close. He is the MVP. Mahomes was throwing to nobody’s yesterday. Niners weakness was their pass D and he couldn’t even exploit that. He missed so many throws. Ill take a WB on a bum ankle over a bum throwing shoulders.
Andy Reid is the best coach in the NFL. You can be sure nobody in Philly will be taking smack like the Bengals. The Bengals were the 2nd best team in the AFC, they have a dominant defense. QB and HC and the Chiefs D line isn’t far off from Eagles. TE is best in playoffs ever for Chiefs. Will see if Juju can get healthy with 2 weeks. Andy Reid with 2 weeks should be a good showing.
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Hurts stat line yesterday was 15/25 121 yards 4.8 ypa and one sack.
Mahomes went 29/46 326 yards 7.2 ypa 3 sacks and 2 TD’s.
In a passing league, you think the line should be 6.5 points? KC most likely wins this game. They will get healthy and put it all on the line.
Mahomes is head and shoulders about Hurts. It’s not even close. He is the MVP. Mahomes was throwing to nobody’s yesterday. Niners weakness was their pass D and he couldn’t even exploit that. He missed so many throws. Ill take a WB on a bum ankle over a bum throwing shoulders.
Andy Reid is the best coach in the NFL. You can be sure nobody in Philly will be taking smack like the Bengals. The Bengals were the 2nd best team in the AFC, they have a dominant defense. QB and HC and the Chiefs D line isn’t far off from Eagles. TE is best in playoffs ever for Chiefs. Will see if Juju can get healthy with 2 weeks. Andy Reid with 2 weeks should be a good showing.
A lot of good points. Just to play devil’s advocate, Andy had two weeks to prepare for his last Super Bowl and got shell-shacked. Oline was beat up but now Mahomes is beat up. I don’t dispute at all that Mahomes is superior to Hurts. Mahomes will be the best QB ever if injuries don’t derail his career. I just think that if Mahomes is still wobbly, they are going to be in for a long night. Did he re-aggravate that injury as well and reset the clock on it is another concern.
I’ll win $12k if the Chiefs can do it, but I’m seriously considering a hedge here. I took the Chiefs with the goal being that they made it and were favorites and shooting for a middle. Luck was on my side last year and I pulled it off with Rams futures and Cincy +4.5. Not in play this year.
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A lot of good points. Just to play devil’s advocate, Andy had two weeks to prepare for his last Super Bowl and got shell-shacked. Oline was beat up but now Mahomes is beat up. I don’t dispute at all that Mahomes is superior to Hurts. Mahomes will be the best QB ever if injuries don’t derail his career. I just think that if Mahomes is still wobbly, they are going to be in for a long night. Did he re-aggravate that injury as well and reset the clock on it is another concern.
I’ll win $12k if the Chiefs can do it, but I’m seriously considering a hedge here. I took the Chiefs with the goal being that they made it and were favorites and shooting for a middle. Luck was on my side last year and I pulled it off with Rams futures and Cincy +4.5. Not in play this year.
To OP’s point, I tend to ignore stuff like that. I don’t believe the wolf when he’s talking, and the sportsbook director is the wolf. “Consider the source.”
I did notice two of the sharps I follow both go on KC against Cincy, and I thought about it a ton, and eventually flipped to KC. Tbh, KC’s defensive line is much better than Buffalo’s, and I had a feeling they would create pressure. They did! Eagles were my own pick. I DVR’d their games and they just methodically beat teams. Sirianni is unafraid to switch up the playcalling too, he once had Hurts pass on 95% of the plays a year ago, only to turn the team into a running team later in the season when the OL got healthy. I have Eagles over KC, but I think it could be a wild game. Eagles defense is unique this year. KC has given up a lot of passing TDs, but has come through in the clutch in the postseason. Still, advantage Eagles for me
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To OP’s point, I tend to ignore stuff like that. I don’t believe the wolf when he’s talking, and the sportsbook director is the wolf. “Consider the source.”
I did notice two of the sharps I follow both go on KC against Cincy, and I thought about it a ton, and eventually flipped to KC. Tbh, KC’s defensive line is much better than Buffalo’s, and I had a feeling they would create pressure. They did! Eagles were my own pick. I DVR’d their games and they just methodically beat teams. Sirianni is unafraid to switch up the playcalling too, he once had Hurts pass on 95% of the plays a year ago, only to turn the team into a running team later in the season when the OL got healthy. I have Eagles over KC, but I think it could be a wild game. Eagles defense is unique this year. KC has given up a lot of passing TDs, but has come through in the clutch in the postseason. Still, advantage Eagles for me
I've done pretty well using numbers from actionnetwork over the past couple of seasons. The key is not read into them too much. 60/40, 50/50, go with the best team. 70/30 and beyond their might be something your missing. As for the Super Bowls those lines jump around being 2 weeks and all. They usually fall in that first group I mentioned. Last SB I remembered that was lopsided at the books was lopsided on the scoreboard Broncos v Seahawks.
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I've done pretty well using numbers from actionnetwork over the past couple of seasons. The key is not read into them too much. 60/40, 50/50, go with the best team. 70/30 and beyond their might be something your missing. As for the Super Bowls those lines jump around being 2 weeks and all. They usually fall in that first group I mentioned. Last SB I remembered that was lopsided at the books was lopsided on the scoreboard Broncos v Seahawks.
Not only do I believe that those numbers are fraudulent.... But what do you do with them anyway? I have asked for years any kind of stats regarding if there is this percentage you should bet that at a 60% win rate... Whatever. Nobody has ever come up with any historical data points to support that this is any kind of indicator of results. So for me, it is a huge waste of time, ultimately it is just noise. Noise that confuses amateur gamblers, and noise that means absolutely zero.
Well said Van. Totally agree.......
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Not only do I believe that those numbers are fraudulent.... But what do you do with them anyway? I have asked for years any kind of stats regarding if there is this percentage you should bet that at a 60% win rate... Whatever. Nobody has ever come up with any historical data points to support that this is any kind of indicator of results. So for me, it is a huge waste of time, ultimately it is just noise. Noise that confuses amateur gamblers, and noise that means absolutely zero.
This year chiefs o line is better... mahomes slightly hurt.. which if he has 2 weeks to heal should be the case.. is better than hurts... philly is a solid team... good everywhere... k City is not. Young players everywhere... except at these 6-7 positions ... and these guys will need to be normal if they are to win... k city still young/weak on D in linebackers and dbs... not good if hurts has time to throw.. and when he runs.. he will do well as our linebackers tend to be out of position and not aggressive in tackling the qb... so the 4-5 yard qb run turns into 8-13... and another first down... if k City is to win.. their d needs a lucky type play.. or 2... as in tipped ball pic... or fumble like mahomes screen pass fumble... if hurts does that type.. Chiefs will prob win... if not... I think philly team just too strong.... I live in k city... and can tell you I think they are doing it right... New o line 2 years ago... got rid of locker room and off field trouble in hill... next 2 years get defense better each year... and they will be in every other super bowl till 2030... if mahomes is healthy. Philly run game scares me here... as these 2 wideouts on philly are good... and chiefs will have to single cover a lot to stop philly run game... and the young db s for k city will need to be good.. and they just aren’t yet... they couldn’t find the ball several times against Cincy ... against similar wideouts as philly... this could lead to big plays or pass interference calls... and I think philly will use it.... look at chase catch on 4 th and 6.... double covered... but neither dB saw ball to make play on it... I think philly will throw 5-6 of these... they are just saying our guys are better than your youngsters... and they will have to interfere to make a play... and they probably will... that being said... hurts is no mahomes... mahomes healthy... is prob the best I have ever seen... I’m 58... saw Montana. Marino.. Brady. Etc. and pat extends sooo many plays when healthy... and then makes good decisions most of the time... he was not healthy in last game... 2 weeks has to help... not 100%... but if he can plant foot with little to no pain... he can create... and when he does that... he can change games... schuster needs 5 catches for 75 yards .. he has to contribute... sky moore got some experience... but this is a good philly d... it has a chance to be a classic... and if it’s close late... and k city has healthy players... I like mahomes to make those decisions that hurts doesn’t see yet... hey. Chiefs don’t blow anyone out... they always give up 4th qtr Ted when up 10 against the raiders or broncos and win by 3... so I see as either philly by 10-13... or chiefs by 3...
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This year chiefs o line is better... mahomes slightly hurt.. which if he has 2 weeks to heal should be the case.. is better than hurts... philly is a solid team... good everywhere... k City is not. Young players everywhere... except at these 6-7 positions ... and these guys will need to be normal if they are to win... k city still young/weak on D in linebackers and dbs... not good if hurts has time to throw.. and when he runs.. he will do well as our linebackers tend to be out of position and not aggressive in tackling the qb... so the 4-5 yard qb run turns into 8-13... and another first down... if k City is to win.. their d needs a lucky type play.. or 2... as in tipped ball pic... or fumble like mahomes screen pass fumble... if hurts does that type.. Chiefs will prob win... if not... I think philly team just too strong.... I live in k city... and can tell you I think they are doing it right... New o line 2 years ago... got rid of locker room and off field trouble in hill... next 2 years get defense better each year... and they will be in every other super bowl till 2030... if mahomes is healthy. Philly run game scares me here... as these 2 wideouts on philly are good... and chiefs will have to single cover a lot to stop philly run game... and the young db s for k city will need to be good.. and they just aren’t yet... they couldn’t find the ball several times against Cincy ... against similar wideouts as philly... this could lead to big plays or pass interference calls... and I think philly will use it.... look at chase catch on 4 th and 6.... double covered... but neither dB saw ball to make play on it... I think philly will throw 5-6 of these... they are just saying our guys are better than your youngsters... and they will have to interfere to make a play... and they probably will... that being said... hurts is no mahomes... mahomes healthy... is prob the best I have ever seen... I’m 58... saw Montana. Marino.. Brady. Etc. and pat extends sooo many plays when healthy... and then makes good decisions most of the time... he was not healthy in last game... 2 weeks has to help... not 100%... but if he can plant foot with little to no pain... he can create... and when he does that... he can change games... schuster needs 5 catches for 75 yards .. he has to contribute... sky moore got some experience... but this is a good philly d... it has a chance to be a classic... and if it’s close late... and k city has healthy players... I like mahomes to make those decisions that hurts doesn’t see yet... hey. Chiefs don’t blow anyone out... they always give up 4th qtr Ted when up 10 against the raiders or broncos and win by 3... so I see as either philly by 10-13... or chiefs by 3...
Some that I follow on the socials for the season I believe. If inclined, you can verify through line movement and corresponding juice. This info is tracked and accurate on many sites.
Tickets don't move lines, money does. So if the line movement doest correspond to what they're saying, dont believe.
As to what to do with that info, well it depends on when you play. Also, if you see the line move on the spread, see what it does on the ML. Sharps play ML dogs and if this is also moving, it's sharp movement and pay attention.
Just my approach, be guided accordingly
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Some that I follow on the socials for the season I believe. If inclined, you can verify through line movement and corresponding juice. This info is tracked and accurate on many sites.
Tickets don't move lines, money does. So if the line movement doest correspond to what they're saying, dont believe.
As to what to do with that info, well it depends on when you play. Also, if you see the line move on the spread, see what it does on the ML. Sharps play ML dogs and if this is also moving, it's sharp movement and pay attention.
Money and percentages mean nothing. It's all meant to confuse you. Mattress Mack put a 4 million dollar bet on Cincy in last year's Super Bowl and the line never moved off+4.5. If that much money doesn't move the line at all how much money is placed to move a line 2-4 pts which you see from time to time? Lines move a majority of the time for other reasons other than what the general public thinks.
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Money and percentages mean nothing. It's all meant to confuse you. Mattress Mack put a 4 million dollar bet on Cincy in last year's Super Bowl and the line never moved off+4.5. If that much money doesn't move the line at all how much money is placed to move a line 2-4 pts which you see from time to time? Lines move a majority of the time for other reasons other than what the general public thinks.
The books have crested free daily publicity and marketing for themselves by sending these fake numbers and stats to various sources with a social media platform, or talk show pundits throughout the twittersphere to get people talking, confuse them with a multitude of misinformation, and ultimately attack the weak minded degenerate gamblers into making bets on auto-pilot going with the public narrative or square play for anything on the card.
Don't fall for all these tactics, and just tune out all this new age crapola meant to mislead you.
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The books have crested free daily publicity and marketing for themselves by sending these fake numbers and stats to various sources with a social media platform, or talk show pundits throughout the twittersphere to get people talking, confuse them with a multitude of misinformation, and ultimately attack the weak minded degenerate gamblers into making bets on auto-pilot going with the public narrative or square play for anything on the card.
Don't fall for all these tactics, and just tune out all this new age crapola meant to mislead you.
That same data that those Sportsbook directors give the public has been available on the web anyway on casino SB sites and others like scoresandodds and sportsinsights I agree with these guys like Van and Packerb who responded already - it's often meant to confuse or misdirect. I do think if you're discerning it's possible to sift through the BS and get an edge that points you to the "right side". But the final outcomes can be, and are manipulated to ensure the books make out in the end. Whatever some of the diehards on here say, it's no coincidence that the more sophisticated the tools and technology we get access to, the more you see game outcomes decided by game officials and in-game directives from league offices. Call me crazy, but the evidence is there and problems with officiating keep escalating.
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@PeterSteele
That same data that those Sportsbook directors give the public has been available on the web anyway on casino SB sites and others like scoresandodds and sportsinsights I agree with these guys like Van and Packerb who responded already - it's often meant to confuse or misdirect. I do think if you're discerning it's possible to sift through the BS and get an edge that points you to the "right side". But the final outcomes can be, and are manipulated to ensure the books make out in the end. Whatever some of the diehards on here say, it's no coincidence that the more sophisticated the tools and technology we get access to, the more you see game outcomes decided by game officials and in-game directives from league offices. Call me crazy, but the evidence is there and problems with officiating keep escalating.
It's like Van said, you have to ignore the sound and fury and just look at the facts of the match-up. The most glaring fact is that one team comes in badly banged up, the other isn't. One QB limped off the field at the end of the game; the other was under a hoodie watching his back-up wrap it up.
Pacheco's injury at the end of the Cincy game is the one nobody is talking about. He's KCs main run threat, and if he's not 100%, the Chiefs are in deep shit to win this game, especially since the Eagles' defensive weakness is against the run. I'm a huge fan of Mahomes and KC, but they could easily get blown out. No way KC blows out the Eagles; if the Chiefs win, it will be in a nail biter similar to the Cincy win. Something to consider.
Also, Books aren't worried about the handle on one game, even the Super Bowl. In fact, it's great publicity if they take a big loss on the side action. It's great for business. And too, the books can lose big time on the side action and make it back on all the overpriced prop bets that the betting public will be suckered into wagering. I mean, some books charge 15 cents to bet the coin toss and get huge action. How sweet is that?
Good luck with it!
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It's like Van said, you have to ignore the sound and fury and just look at the facts of the match-up. The most glaring fact is that one team comes in badly banged up, the other isn't. One QB limped off the field at the end of the game; the other was under a hoodie watching his back-up wrap it up.
Pacheco's injury at the end of the Cincy game is the one nobody is talking about. He's KCs main run threat, and if he's not 100%, the Chiefs are in deep shit to win this game, especially since the Eagles' defensive weakness is against the run. I'm a huge fan of Mahomes and KC, but they could easily get blown out. No way KC blows out the Eagles; if the Chiefs win, it will be in a nail biter similar to the Cincy win. Something to consider.
Also, Books aren't worried about the handle on one game, even the Super Bowl. In fact, it's great publicity if they take a big loss on the side action. It's great for business. And too, the books can lose big time on the side action and make it back on all the overpriced prop bets that the betting public will be suckered into wagering. I mean, some books charge 15 cents to bet the coin toss and get huge action. How sweet is that?
This day and time think for yourself and trust nothing you read.....As far as the game and never speak this early on a superbowl game...My bet is down on what Vegas will need but not in yet...I've been betting since 74 and follow me...My line was Phil by 3 and I make lines before seeing any...I decided who I wanted when seeing the line come out...In 2 weeks most will go back and forth until game time....The only thing can change my mind just before kick off, is I find I'm on the wrong side but I'm not....Play since 74 and I can tell you who you're taking before you do if I know you...Same with Vegas, they know who you're playing before the first bet made...I'm just waiting on the line I want and will get here....Don't trust what you read, kick back and you'll see the play...I may be wrong this game but will hit most big game plays and super bowl is the biggest...I plan on hitting this one and shocked if I dont...Easy to tell who I'm taking but played the other side in a contest for now...I'm waiting on my line and then switching up, good thing about contest.....I always want the best line but don't think it will come into play.....I'll tell you this, unless you only bet pro football...I understand a big deal and betting bigger but if betting all sports...It's only one more game on a Sunday afternoon, that's it!!! I wish the best to all and hope for a good close game myself....This is just my opinion of many here I'm sure...( quick ? Does anyone know anything about rambo fattire ebikes?? Someone I know won one at a gun show and still in the box...It sells for about $4000 but can find for $3500 I think..He said he would sell to me for $2500 and i want one for surf fishing ) Thanks, Knock!
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This day and time think for yourself and trust nothing you read.....As far as the game and never speak this early on a superbowl game...My bet is down on what Vegas will need but not in yet...I've been betting since 74 and follow me...My line was Phil by 3 and I make lines before seeing any...I decided who I wanted when seeing the line come out...In 2 weeks most will go back and forth until game time....The only thing can change my mind just before kick off, is I find I'm on the wrong side but I'm not....Play since 74 and I can tell you who you're taking before you do if I know you...Same with Vegas, they know who you're playing before the first bet made...I'm just waiting on the line I want and will get here....Don't trust what you read, kick back and you'll see the play...I may be wrong this game but will hit most big game plays and super bowl is the biggest...I plan on hitting this one and shocked if I dont...Easy to tell who I'm taking but played the other side in a contest for now...I'm waiting on my line and then switching up, good thing about contest.....I always want the best line but don't think it will come into play.....I'll tell you this, unless you only bet pro football...I understand a big deal and betting bigger but if betting all sports...It's only one more game on a Sunday afternoon, that's it!!! I wish the best to all and hope for a good close game myself....This is just my opinion of many here I'm sure...( quick ? Does anyone know anything about rambo fattire ebikes?? Someone I know won one at a gun show and still in the box...It sells for about $4000 but can find for $3500 I think..He said he would sell to me for $2500 and i want one for surf fishing ) Thanks, Knock!
I think I saw the Pacheco injury... on kick return. Helmet to thigh.... and yes...was not mentioned ... could be issue... muscle bruise is painful... 2 weeks will help.... I hope he does not return kicks this game.... but he’s young. And may be their best option.
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I think I saw the Pacheco injury... on kick return. Helmet to thigh.... and yes...was not mentioned ... could be issue... muscle bruise is painful... 2 weeks will help.... I hope he does not return kicks this game.... but he’s young. And may be their best option.
I heard the book opening the first line was Eagles +2.5 and only sharps can bet, they pounded the Eagles.
So book opened Eagles as the fav.
Now i see a different pro saying that it will be Pros backing Eagles and Joe's backing the Chiefs
So there is others saying the same thing.
Doubt the books are afraid of pro money, they do well over time with the juice. So I don't see any reason they wouldn't tell the truth.
Even if the Joe's win betting with the pros books know they will give it all back on their own plays making foolish bets only because they are ahead now.
Books have nothing to worry about long term
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I heard the book opening the first line was Eagles +2.5 and only sharps can bet, they pounded the Eagles.
So book opened Eagles as the fav.
Now i see a different pro saying that it will be Pros backing Eagles and Joe's backing the Chiefs
So there is others saying the same thing.
Doubt the books are afraid of pro money, they do well over time with the juice. So I don't see any reason they wouldn't tell the truth.
Even if the Joe's win betting with the pros books know they will give it all back on their own plays making foolish bets only because they are ahead now.
I heard the book opening the first line was Eagles +2.5 and only sharps can bet, they pounded the Eagles. So book opened Eagles as the fav. Now i see a different pro saying that it will be Pros backing Eagles and Joe's backing the Chiefs So there is others saying the same thing. Doubt the books are afraid of pro money, they do well over time with the juice. So I don't see any reason they wouldn't tell the truth. Even if the Joe's win betting with the pros books know they will give it all back on their own plays making foolish bets only because they are ahead now. Books have nothing to worry about ?? Ng term
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Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:
I heard the book opening the first line was Eagles +2.5 and only sharps can bet, they pounded the Eagles. So book opened Eagles as the fav. Now i see a different pro saying that it will be Pros backing Eagles and Joe's backing the Chiefs So there is others saying the same thing. Doubt the books are afraid of pro money, they do well over time with the juice. So I don't see any reason they wouldn't tell the truth. Even if the Joe's win betting with the pros books know they will give it all back on their own plays making foolish bets only because they are ahead now. Books have nothing to worry about ?? Ng term
I personally don't think a game like this one can be capped, with all the question marks swirling around different players' health and so on. If the line were +4.5 on either side I could see getting involved (I took Cincinnati last year only because of the line). With the line hovering where it is I can't see any advantage to taking or giving points.
I'm not sure KC has a coaching advantage here. Both teams have some really good athletes. Really, anything is possible.
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Noise. Ignore it.
I saw Phi get to -2 but it's currently -1.5.
I personally don't think a game like this one can be capped, with all the question marks swirling around different players' health and so on. If the line were +4.5 on either side I could see getting involved (I took Cincinnati last year only because of the line). With the line hovering where it is I can't see any advantage to taking or giving points.
I'm not sure KC has a coaching advantage here. Both teams have some really good athletes. Really, anything is possible.
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