Nice to see you back Suuma buddy. Nice pick also...obviously, I tend to think we are on the right side but we shall see in 3 days.
BOLTU, please refrain from posting your tweet...wouldn't want the MODs getting trigger happy...unless of course, that's what you kind of want already at this point.
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Nice to see you back Suuma buddy. Nice pick also...obviously, I tend to think we are on the right side but we shall see in 3 days.
BOLTU, please refrain from posting your tweet...wouldn't want the MODs getting trigger happy...unless of course, that's what you kind of want already at this point.
Notice how the trolls that hate on picks are guys that don't post records or have their own threads that provide legitimate discussion. A majority of which are clearly betting with their emotions...
The cappers that are on the other side of a play are respectful and provide a counter argument with substance. Post ends w/ a handshake.
There are some guys who only bet on a single sport, and that's kool and the gang. But I can't help but notice certain posters that only show up in the nfl forum(never in the off-season) that clearly do not know how to wager on sports. Seems like they are just fans of the game or have some other agenda. I don't get it, what does one accomplish by trolling?
*fadeordie is an exception, dude took it to a blatant level and I gotta say is pretty funny*
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Notice how the trolls that hate on picks are guys that don't post records or have their own threads that provide legitimate discussion. A majority of which are clearly betting with their emotions...
The cappers that are on the other side of a play are respectful and provide a counter argument with substance. Post ends w/ a handshake.
There are some guys who only bet on a single sport, and that's kool and the gang. But I can't help but notice certain posters that only show up in the nfl forum(never in the off-season) that clearly do not know how to wager on sports. Seems like they are just fans of the game or have some other agenda. I don't get it, what does one accomplish by trolling?
*fadeordie is an exception, dude took it to a blatant level and I gotta say is pretty funny*
Last time I checked Car just beat two pretty good teams and did it far more convincingly then Den did only Den was playing a beat up Pitt team and a completely one dimensional NE team. Maybe the "edge" rushers will be the difference, but that seems like wishful thinking. If anything this Car team more closely resembles the healthy Pitt team that destroyed Den's defense.
It's odd you base most of your analysis on a meaningless game against Atl and ignore playoff games against Seattle and Arizona, but I guess when you want to believe something bad enough people will grasp at anything. Unlike NE Car has an effective rushing attack and a mobile QB which goes a long way to neutralizing an aggressive pass rush.
Of course it was only two years ago Den showed what they could do against the NFC's best. But hey, don't let that stop you from thinking this year will be different.
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Last time I checked Car just beat two pretty good teams and did it far more convincingly then Den did only Den was playing a beat up Pitt team and a completely one dimensional NE team. Maybe the "edge" rushers will be the difference, but that seems like wishful thinking. If anything this Car team more closely resembles the healthy Pitt team that destroyed Den's defense.
It's odd you base most of your analysis on a meaningless game against Atl and ignore playoff games against Seattle and Arizona, but I guess when you want to believe something bad enough people will grasp at anything. Unlike NE Car has an effective rushing attack and a mobile QB which goes a long way to neutralizing an aggressive pass rush.
Of course it was only two years ago Den showed what they could do against the NFC's best. But hey, don't let that stop you from thinking this year will be different.
Excellent work again this season, suuma. Trust that there are plenty of people on here that appreciate your analysis. I grabbed 6 with Peyton, too. Good luck, bro.
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Excellent work again this season, suuma. Trust that there are plenty of people on here that appreciate your analysis. I grabbed 6 with Peyton, too. Good luck, bro.
[Quote: Originally Posted by saintsfan1977] Denver is wearing all white, and everyone knows how hard it is to catch a white Bronco in California. [/Quote
i cant like this tickled me im gonna quote this all day superbowl sunday
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[Quote: Originally Posted by saintsfan1977] Denver is wearing all white, and everyone knows how hard it is to catch a white Bronco in California. [/Quote
i cant like this tickled me im gonna quote this all day superbowl sunday
Interesting that many want to find Denver's defense no.1, but when we look at the single most important stat with the highest correlation to victory and best prediction value it's the Panthers ranked no. 1 and Denver no.4. QBPR.
And Panthers were the better defense in the playoffs VS MUCH better offenses.
Seahawks ranked no. 1 , Zona 6., ave 3.5
Pats 4th, Pitt 14th, ave 9
Interesting regarding Panthers 1 loss VS Falcons........Panthers scored 38 pts 5 times this season, 3 straight and 4 of the 5 games came before playing Falcons.
This is a very typical spot were teams have regressions, coming off their best offensive performance by a long shot.
Teams get full of themselves and begin to lose focus on the little things that help make them successful. I would not read alot into that 1 game.
But you could make a case after scoring 31 and 49 with joe public feeling Panthers can not lose they just might be full of themselves in this game.
I saw a couple of local sports reporters talking as though the Panthers already won the game, as though they can not lose, if the players start buying into this it will be big trouble for Panthers.
Panthers are the better team but Denver could win SU if the Panthers don't bring the right mentality into this game.
BOL ...................
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Good stuff Suma, interesting about the 2 tackles.
Interesting that many want to find Denver's defense no.1, but when we look at the single most important stat with the highest correlation to victory and best prediction value it's the Panthers ranked no. 1 and Denver no.4. QBPR.
And Panthers were the better defense in the playoffs VS MUCH better offenses.
Seahawks ranked no. 1 , Zona 6., ave 3.5
Pats 4th, Pitt 14th, ave 9
Interesting regarding Panthers 1 loss VS Falcons........Panthers scored 38 pts 5 times this season, 3 straight and 4 of the 5 games came before playing Falcons.
This is a very typical spot were teams have regressions, coming off their best offensive performance by a long shot.
Teams get full of themselves and begin to lose focus on the little things that help make them successful. I would not read alot into that 1 game.
But you could make a case after scoring 31 and 49 with joe public feeling Panthers can not lose they just might be full of themselves in this game.
I saw a couple of local sports reporters talking as though the Panthers already won the game, as though they can not lose, if the players start buying into this it will be big trouble for Panthers.
Panthers are the better team but Denver could win SU if the Panthers don't bring the right mentality into this game.
Interesting that many want to find Denver's defense no.1, but when we look at the single most important stat with the highest correlation to victory and best prediction value it's the Panthers ranked no. 1 and Denver no.4. QBPR.
And Panthers were the better defense in the playoffs VS MUCH better offenses.
Seahawks ranked no. 1 , Zona 6., ave 3.5
Pats 4th, Pitt 14th, ave 9
Interesting regarding Panthers 1 loss VS Falcons........Panthers scored 38 pts 5 times this season, 3 straight and 4 of the 5 games came before playing Falcons.
This is a very typical spot were teams have regressions, coming off their best offensive performance by a long shot.
Teams get full of themselves and begin to lose focus on the little things that help make them successful. I would not read alot into that 1 game.
But you could make a case after scoring 31 and 49 with joe public feeling Panthers can not lose they just might be full of themselves in this game.
I saw a couple of local sports reporters talking as though the Panthers already won the game, as though they can not lose, if the players start buying into this it will be big trouble for Panthers.
Panthers are the better team but Denver could win SU if the Panthers don't bring the right mentality into this game.
BOL ...................
That's probably another argument for dogs going 8-0 ATS and Giants winning SU as +14 dogs.
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Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:
Good stuff Suma, interesting about the 2 tackles.
Interesting that many want to find Denver's defense no.1, but when we look at the single most important stat with the highest correlation to victory and best prediction value it's the Panthers ranked no. 1 and Denver no.4. QBPR.
And Panthers were the better defense in the playoffs VS MUCH better offenses.
Seahawks ranked no. 1 , Zona 6., ave 3.5
Pats 4th, Pitt 14th, ave 9
Interesting regarding Panthers 1 loss VS Falcons........Panthers scored 38 pts 5 times this season, 3 straight and 4 of the 5 games came before playing Falcons.
This is a very typical spot were teams have regressions, coming off their best offensive performance by a long shot.
Teams get full of themselves and begin to lose focus on the little things that help make them successful. I would not read alot into that 1 game.
But you could make a case after scoring 31 and 49 with joe public feeling Panthers can not lose they just might be full of themselves in this game.
I saw a couple of local sports reporters talking as though the Panthers already won the game, as though they can not lose, if the players start buying into this it will be big trouble for Panthers.
Panthers are the better team but Denver could win SU if the Panthers don't bring the right mentality into this game.
BOL ...................
That's probably another argument for dogs going 8-0 ATS and Giants winning SU as +14 dogs.
Last time I checked Car just beat two pretty good teams and did it far more convincingly then Den did only Den was playing a beat up Pitt team and a completely one dimensional NE team. Maybe the "edge" rushers will be the difference, but that seems like wishful thinking. If anything this Car team more closely resembles the healthy Pitt team that destroyed Den's defense.
It's odd you base most of your analysis on a meaningless game against Atl and ignore playoff games against Seattle and Arizona, but I guess when you want to believe something bad enough people will grasp at anything. Unlike NE Car has an effective rushing attack and a mobile QB which goes a long way to neutralizing an aggressive pass rush.
Of course it was only two years ago Den showed what they could do against the NFC's best. But hey, don't let that stop you from thinking this year will be different.
1) This completely one-dimensional NE team was 10-0 before getting decimated with injuries, is the current SB winning team and was also one-dimensional in last year's playoffs.
2) Where do I base my analysis solely on one game? It's an example. Cam Newton had a poor passing performance when playing against the Texans at home who came in with a great pass rush. Another example.
3) CAR has shown an effective rushing attack against teams who cannot defend the run. Their interior OL excels in run-blocking but both tackles and Olsen + Dickson struggle to block. If you take a look at teams who give up very few yards per rush attempt: Seattle, Tampa Bay, Tennessee (all top-10). CAR ran for 4.0 YPC vs. TB, in the second game Stewart was injured, they ran for 3.5 YPC. Versus TEN they ran for 3.5 YPC, and Seattle also contained them on the ground. Take away the huge Stewart breakout run and they stay within 3 YPC. In these five games Newton was sacked a combined 15 times for a loss of 115 yards, because he is forced into more long passing downs and has to read a defense. In the playoff game against Seattle, the game was over at half and Newton wasn't forced to pass the ball. So in four games it's 14 sacks for 105 yards. Denver defense is FIRST in yards per carry and obviously has a way better secondary than any of these teams and won't turn the ball over so much like these teams did.
4) Two years ago, Denver had an average defense and were, when I remember right, starting without Talib, Harris, Von Miller, Marshall, Ware, Williams, Wolfe, Ward, Stewart. So that's 9 new defensive starters in contrast to 2013.
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Quote Originally Posted by Neverlukee:
Last time I checked Car just beat two pretty good teams and did it far more convincingly then Den did only Den was playing a beat up Pitt team and a completely one dimensional NE team. Maybe the "edge" rushers will be the difference, but that seems like wishful thinking. If anything this Car team more closely resembles the healthy Pitt team that destroyed Den's defense.
It's odd you base most of your analysis on a meaningless game against Atl and ignore playoff games against Seattle and Arizona, but I guess when you want to believe something bad enough people will grasp at anything. Unlike NE Car has an effective rushing attack and a mobile QB which goes a long way to neutralizing an aggressive pass rush.
Of course it was only two years ago Den showed what they could do against the NFC's best. But hey, don't let that stop you from thinking this year will be different.
1) This completely one-dimensional NE team was 10-0 before getting decimated with injuries, is the current SB winning team and was also one-dimensional in last year's playoffs.
2) Where do I base my analysis solely on one game? It's an example. Cam Newton had a poor passing performance when playing against the Texans at home who came in with a great pass rush. Another example.
3) CAR has shown an effective rushing attack against teams who cannot defend the run. Their interior OL excels in run-blocking but both tackles and Olsen + Dickson struggle to block. If you take a look at teams who give up very few yards per rush attempt: Seattle, Tampa Bay, Tennessee (all top-10). CAR ran for 4.0 YPC vs. TB, in the second game Stewart was injured, they ran for 3.5 YPC. Versus TEN they ran for 3.5 YPC, and Seattle also contained them on the ground. Take away the huge Stewart breakout run and they stay within 3 YPC. In these five games Newton was sacked a combined 15 times for a loss of 115 yards, because he is forced into more long passing downs and has to read a defense. In the playoff game against Seattle, the game was over at half and Newton wasn't forced to pass the ball. So in four games it's 14 sacks for 105 yards. Denver defense is FIRST in yards per carry and obviously has a way better secondary than any of these teams and won't turn the ball over so much like these teams did.
4) Two years ago, Denver had an average defense and were, when I remember right, starting without Talib, Harris, Von Miller, Marshall, Ware, Williams, Wolfe, Ward, Stewart. So that's 9 new defensive starters in contrast to 2013.
Notice how the trolls that hate on picks are guys that don't post records or have their own threads that provide legitimate discussion. A majority of which are clearly betting with their emotions...
The cappers that are on the other side of a play are respectful and provide a counter argument with substance. Post ends w/ a handshake.
There are some guys who only bet on a single sport, and that's kool and the gang. But I can't help but notice certain posters that only show up in the nfl forum(never in the off-season) that clearly do not know how to wager on sports. Seems like they are just fans of the game or have some other agenda. I don't get it, what does one accomplish by trolling?
*fadeordie is an exception, dude took it to a blatant level and I gotta say is pretty funny*
Well said. Yeah obviously none of those guys presents a record or informative analysis. Just like the "bunny" guy lol. He opened two threads asking if I am really a German but cannot cap a game by himself. This forum really turned into stupid this season. I mean, on the first page someone said I am the worst capper he has ever seen
A lot of psychological/mental issues here.
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Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:
Notice how the trolls that hate on picks are guys that don't post records or have their own threads that provide legitimate discussion. A majority of which are clearly betting with their emotions...
The cappers that are on the other side of a play are respectful and provide a counter argument with substance. Post ends w/ a handshake.
There are some guys who only bet on a single sport, and that's kool and the gang. But I can't help but notice certain posters that only show up in the nfl forum(never in the off-season) that clearly do not know how to wager on sports. Seems like they are just fans of the game or have some other agenda. I don't get it, what does one accomplish by trolling?
*fadeordie is an exception, dude took it to a blatant level and I gotta say is pretty funny*
Well said. Yeah obviously none of those guys presents a record or informative analysis. Just like the "bunny" guy lol. He opened two threads asking if I am really a German but cannot cap a game by himself. This forum really turned into stupid this season. I mean, on the first page someone said I am the worst capper he has ever seen
Not arguing numbers, but the Denver playoff defensive stats would no doubt be changed in Bryant played and Ben wasnt hurt....Pretty sure Denver wouldnt be in this game....
I think the Denver defensive numbers are good given the lack of talent they played this year, especially at the QB position.....Carolinas defensive numbers are very skewed due to having large leads and playing prevent.....
Manning can move and that will be a huge problem, just like 2 years ago vs Seattle....Ultimately the downfall of the Broncos....Carolina will bring pressure....
Regardless, bol brother
Train, what's up?
I respectfully disagree on the Steelers game. The Steelers' vertical passing game is exactly the offense the Broncos D excels against and has been all season long. The only team that really was somehow successful against the Broncos have been the Chiefs with variable short passing schemes. By changing the playbook due to the absence of ABrown, Denver was hardly able to prepare for all the short passes, screens and runs by Bryant. Look at the first game, the Steelers offense was blanked for three quarters and they scored on short fields off turnovers and PI calls.
Manning has been looking good in practice all week long. It's only practice but he showed a good accuracy on deep balls. We will know come Sunday!
BOL to you on the SB!
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Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
Whats up brother
Not arguing numbers, but the Denver playoff defensive stats would no doubt be changed in Bryant played and Ben wasnt hurt....Pretty sure Denver wouldnt be in this game....
I think the Denver defensive numbers are good given the lack of talent they played this year, especially at the QB position.....Carolinas defensive numbers are very skewed due to having large leads and playing prevent.....
Manning can move and that will be a huge problem, just like 2 years ago vs Seattle....Ultimately the downfall of the Broncos....Carolina will bring pressure....
Regardless, bol brother
Train, what's up?
I respectfully disagree on the Steelers game. The Steelers' vertical passing game is exactly the offense the Broncos D excels against and has been all season long. The only team that really was somehow successful against the Broncos have been the Chiefs with variable short passing schemes. By changing the playbook due to the absence of ABrown, Denver was hardly able to prepare for all the short passes, screens and runs by Bryant. Look at the first game, the Steelers offense was blanked for three quarters and they scored on short fields off turnovers and PI calls.
Manning has been looking good in practice all week long. It's only practice but he showed a good accuracy on deep balls. We will know come Sunday!
Summa I am surprised by your analysis.Trends are for the fashion industry in sports they really dont mean much as you can manufacture all kinds if you try hard enough.The field can be an issue I agree but will it not slow down the speedy Denver corners? I trust your assessment of the Car off. linemen but dont you think their coaching staff realizes this and will plan accordingly?The Denver offence was horrible in the playoffs so far and we need them to do it again in the SB? There are to many question marks with the Den. O the dee did a great job of giving them field position and they were not overly successful.On Car. side we cant rally tell how good they are and how they react in the big game stage.BOL enjoyed your work all year.
Don't you think the Denver coaching staff will plan accordingly? Carolina has Jared Allen with a broken foot, Thomas Davis with a broken arm and is playing the 4th and 5th corners. Panthers have two huge DTs in Lotulelei and Short and good inside rush but other than that, they weren't quite successful on the edges. Peyton has two weeks to prepare his OL for the Panthers.
BOL to you
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Quote Originally Posted by obmarn:
Summa I am surprised by your analysis.Trends are for the fashion industry in sports they really dont mean much as you can manufacture all kinds if you try hard enough.The field can be an issue I agree but will it not slow down the speedy Denver corners? I trust your assessment of the Car off. linemen but dont you think their coaching staff realizes this and will plan accordingly?The Denver offence was horrible in the playoffs so far and we need them to do it again in the SB? There are to many question marks with the Den. O the dee did a great job of giving them field position and they were not overly successful.On Car. side we cant rally tell how good they are and how they react in the big game stage.BOL enjoyed your work all year.
Don't you think the Denver coaching staff will plan accordingly? Carolina has Jared Allen with a broken foot, Thomas Davis with a broken arm and is playing the 4th and 5th corners. Panthers have two huge DTs in Lotulelei and Short and good inside rush but other than that, they weren't quite successful on the edges. Peyton has two weeks to prepare his OL for the Panthers.
Seems like Covers is split on the SB picks. Anyone can win thats why they play the game right.
Carolina is a better all around team, Denver BARELY got by a beat up Pitt Team that had them the whole game and fumbled it at the end. Pats had a chance to tie but Brady chocked on the 2 pt conversion.
Carolina 27 Denver 20
Not saying you are wrong. I can be wrong as well. But I hardly find any matchup analysis by Carolina bettors. I just read "Carolina is a better team". The 2009 Colts were a better team, the 2007 Pats were a better team, the 2012 Niners were a better team, the 2011 Pats were a better team, and so on. Last year the Seahawks barely won against the Packers, 2011 the Giants barely won against SF, 2009 the Saints barely won againt MIN. All teams would have covered 6.
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Quote Originally Posted by RayRayK:
Seems like Covers is split on the SB picks. Anyone can win thats why they play the game right.
Carolina is a better all around team, Denver BARELY got by a beat up Pitt Team that had them the whole game and fumbled it at the end. Pats had a chance to tie but Brady chocked on the 2 pt conversion.
Carolina 27 Denver 20
Not saying you are wrong. I can be wrong as well. But I hardly find any matchup analysis by Carolina bettors. I just read "Carolina is a better team". The 2009 Colts were a better team, the 2007 Pats were a better team, the 2012 Niners were a better team, the 2011 Pats were a better team, and so on. Last year the Seahawks barely won against the Packers, 2011 the Giants barely won against SF, 2009 the Saints barely won againt MIN. All teams would have covered 6.
Also summa I said No way Rodger would hand the super bowl trophy to Brady and if you go back and watch that game. Ed hochuli set the game with calls against the pats the first call that went their way was the backwards pass that billichick had to challenge.
Receivers for the pats were getting mugged that whole game and no flags thrown.
The game played out according to what the books and Goodell needed.
Are we gonna call that a coincidence or after seeing all these things said before the game. Can us conspiracy theorist get a little You know Maybe you Guys are on to something as this is the nfl and it's dynamics of how the business is run may be beyond the common man's head.
Will re-watch this game in the off-season but you were right about the outcome, no doubt
Maybe you guys are on to something
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Quote Originally Posted by mafioso:
Also summa I said No way Rodger would hand the super bowl trophy to Brady and if you go back and watch that game. Ed hochuli set the game with calls against the pats the first call that went their way was the backwards pass that billichick had to challenge.
Receivers for the pats were getting mugged that whole game and no flags thrown.
The game played out according to what the books and Goodell needed.
Are we gonna call that a coincidence or after seeing all these things said before the game. Can us conspiracy theorist get a little You know Maybe you Guys are on to something as this is the nfl and it's dynamics of how the business is run may be beyond the common man's head.
Will re-watch this game in the off-season but you were right about the outcome, no doubt
Good luck buddy!! Haven't been commenting much lately due to the 1min break before I can make another post, so I been reading and just passing by. Like the pick, go off winning the big game bro!!
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Good luck buddy!! Haven't been commenting much lately due to the 1min break before I can make another post, so I been reading and just passing by. Like the pick, go off winning the big game bro!!
I dont know Suuma,I just reread your write up of NE vs DEN you were all about offence now it is defense wins championships???They are going to have to score 14pts themselves for this to happen.I believe they are capable but I cannot put money on them.
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I dont know Suuma,I just reread your write up of NE vs DEN you were all about offence now it is defense wins championships???They are going to have to score 14pts themselves for this to happen.I believe they are capable but I cannot put money on them.
I dont know Suuma,I just reread your write up of NE vs DEN you were all about offence now it is defense wins championships???They are going to have to score 14pts themselves for this to happen.I believe they are capable but I cannot put money on them.
Yes, I was wrong. I didn't see this kind of defense coming, to be honest, even though they are the number one. I mean, Sebastian Vollmer is a good tackle in this league, and he got terribly beaten several times. I don't know how Oher and Remmers are going to keep a clean pocket when Jackson and Wolfe are working on the inside.
The 2007 Patriots were seen as unstoppable, but they had one nemesis: a brilliant pass rush led by Justin Tuck. Just an analogy.
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Quote Originally Posted by obmarn:
I dont know Suuma,I just reread your write up of NE vs DEN you were all about offence now it is defense wins championships???They are going to have to score 14pts themselves for this to happen.I believe they are capable but I cannot put money on them.
Yes, I was wrong. I didn't see this kind of defense coming, to be honest, even though they are the number one. I mean, Sebastian Vollmer is a good tackle in this league, and he got terribly beaten several times. I don't know how Oher and Remmers are going to keep a clean pocket when Jackson and Wolfe are working on the inside.
The 2007 Patriots were seen as unstoppable, but they had one nemesis: a brilliant pass rush led by Justin Tuck. Just an analogy.
Suuma, one question. I already said we're on the same side but I might hedge a live bet during game if Broncos take lead. Do you think in any scenario that the we might be eatting too much of Broncos defense based on stats and last two games? While I do think they are the "best team" in the league on defense, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that they lay one here against Cam and Co. in the second half if they take the lead. Mentality wise, they've been playing close games all year long. What if that switch is turned off? Can offense keep moving the ball to keep the lead? We saw that the Patriots almost came back because the offense put the defense in a bad spot in the AFC Championship.
Cheers.
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Suuma, one question. I already said we're on the same side but I might hedge a live bet during game if Broncos take lead. Do you think in any scenario that the we might be eatting too much of Broncos defense based on stats and last two games? While I do think they are the "best team" in the league on defense, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that they lay one here against Cam and Co. in the second half if they take the lead. Mentality wise, they've been playing close games all year long. What if that switch is turned off? Can offense keep moving the ball to keep the lead? We saw that the Patriots almost came back because the offense put the defense in a bad spot in the AFC Championship.
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