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    TampaTony
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 3:56 PM ET #1

    Anybody who has been riding with me this season knows I can handicap.  I am a Tampa BUCS fan, and know this team, and NFL football very well.
     
    Let me explain something to my fellow cappers about this game.
    SORRY ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THIS, BUT THERE IS MUCH TO TALK ABOUT.
     
    Dallas is WAY over-rated, and under-coached. (which is bad)
    Tampa is Under-Rated and Over-coached.(which is good and bad)
     
    I'll start off here by saying why Dallas has problems.
    1)  Wade Phillips IS NOT THE coach of this team, Jason Garret is, and that creates internal conflict between who is supposed to be in charge, and who REALLY is in charge.
     
    2) Jerry Jones thinks he can throw a bunch of talent together, and win games.  That is not the way it works in the NFL.  TEAM is a concept that will take teams deep into the playoffs (N.E. or NYG anybody?)  Dallas does not have a team, they have talent.
     
    3) Brad Johnson is garbage.  How do I know, I watched him play in Tampa for four years, and afterward.  He is very very immobile, and that is not what you want form QB when you are playing the BUCS.  If TB pressures him, he will throw picks for sure.
     
    4) Dallas has big, strong, physical recievers that will give TB DB match-up problems all day.  If Johnson can get the ball to them, Dallas may win.
     
    5) Dallas is very weak on defense, and without decent DB's, and no Roy Williams to stop the run, this will provide match-up problems for Dallas against TB run attack.
     
    Now lets talk Tampa BUCS.
     
    1) The offense is not stellar, by far.  They can run the ball, but passing is just now coming around (I mean big plays), but TB has, and it seems like always will, have trouble putting teams away, or blowing out teams.
     
    2)  The defense is strong this year, particuarly against the run.  This is bad news for Dallas as Barber opens up play action and roll outs.  Dont worry about roll outs though (which Dallas Offense thrives off) b/c Brad Johnson cannot run.  If Barber gets stuffed, it will be a long day for Dallas.  TB DBs are amongst the best, but any match up on Rhonde Barber will be a problem for TB.  He is too small to cover those big Dallas recievers.
     
    3) If Galloway and Cadillac plays, it will be trouble for Dallas.  Both players bring more to the BUCS than they alredy have.  The BUCS to me, are one of the better teams in the NFC right now already, so you go figure.
     
    ALL and all, I would say, if Dallas did not have so many injuries, they would win the game hands down.  But key components of Dallas offense and defense is missing, and it has showed last two weeks, and it will contiue to show.  Vegas is telling us something with this point spread.  You should listen.  The public LOVES Dallas, and this is bait for the public.  Nobody respects Tampa Bay this year, and they WILL suprise people this year if they havent already.  TB is a better TEAM than Dallas, although Dallas has more talent (to yall).  Expect a Dallas loss this week.  Dallas could win though.  Penalties could kill Tampa, and have been drive killers in the past.  Also, if they cant get pressure on Johnson, he may eat that secondary up with those big recievers.  And last, Tampa traditionally has not played well in Dallas, however, Parcells was the coach then, and Gurden got out-coached in those past games.  Also TB Rays may be a early week distraction for the team and fans, and that is a little concerning, but not by much.  Neither Garrett or Phillips are better coaches than Gruden, so take it as it is.
    Im taking Tampa this week.  Dallas is nearing an implosion, and it could happen this week with a Dallas loss.
    GL either way you go. 
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Anybody who has been riding with me this season knows I can handicap.  I am a Tampa BUCS fan, and know this team, and NFL football very well.
     
    Let me explain something to my fellow cappers about this game.
    SORRY ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THIS, BUT THERE IS MUCH TO TALK ABOUT.
     
    Dallas is WAY over-rated, and under-coached. (which is bad)
    Tampa is Under-Rated and Over-coached.(which is good and bad)
     
    I'll start off here by saying why Dallas has problems.
    1)  Wade Phillips IS NOT THE coach of this team, Jason Garret is, and that creates internal conflict between who is supposed to be in charge, and who REALLY is in charge.
     
    2) Jerry Jones thinks he can throw a bunch of talent together, and win games.  That is not the way it works in the NFL.  TEAM is a concept that will take teams deep into the playoffs (N.E. or NYG anybody?)  Dallas does not have a team, they have talent.
     
    3) Brad Johnson is garbage.  How do I know, I watched him play in Tampa for four years, and afterward.  He is very very immobile, and that is not what you want form QB when you are playing the BUCS.  If TB pressures him, he will throw picks for sure.
     
    4) Dallas has big, strong, physical recievers that will give TB DB match-up problems all day.  If Johnson can get the ball to them, Dallas may win.
     
    5) Dallas is very weak on defense, and without decent DB's, and no Roy Williams to stop the run, this will provide match-up problems for Dallas against TB run attack.
     
    Now lets talk Tampa BUCS.
     
    1) The offense is not stellar, by far.  They can run the ball, but passing is just now coming around (I mean big plays), but TB has, and it seems like always will, have trouble putting teams away, or blowing out teams.
     
    2)  The defense is strong this year, particuarly against the run.  This is bad news for Dallas as Barber opens up play action and roll outs.  Dont worry about roll outs though (which Dallas Offense thrives off) b/c Brad Johnson cannot run.  If Barber gets stuffed, it will be a long day for Dallas.  TB DBs are amongst the best, but any match up on Rhonde Barber will be a problem for TB.  He is too small to cover those big Dallas recievers.
     
    3) If Galloway and Cadillac plays, it will be trouble for Dallas.  Both players bring more to the BUCS than they alredy have.  The BUCS to me, are one of the better teams in the NFC right now already, so you go figure.
     
    ALL and all, I would say, if Dallas did not have so many injuries, they would win the game hands down.  But key components of Dallas offense and defense is missing, and it has showed last two weeks, and it will contiue to show.  Vegas is telling us something with this point spread.  You should listen.  The public LOVES Dallas, and this is bait for the public.  Nobody respects Tampa Bay this year, and they WILL suprise people this year if they havent already.  TB is a better TEAM than Dallas, although Dallas has more talent (to yall).  Expect a Dallas loss this week.  Dallas could win though.  Penalties could kill Tampa, and have been drive killers in the past.  Also, if they cant get pressure on Johnson, he may eat that secondary up with those big recievers.  And last, Tampa traditionally has not played well in Dallas, however, Parcells was the coach then, and Gurden got out-coached in those past games.  Also TB Rays may be a early week distraction for the team and fans, and that is a little concerning, but not by much.  Neither Garrett or Phillips are better coaches than Gruden, so take it as it is.
    Im taking Tampa this week.  Dallas is nearing an implosion, and it could happen this week with a Dallas loss.
    GL either way you go. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 4:02 PM ET #2

    i like it because it will basically be up to BJ to make throws downfield on 3rd and long, and on 1st down after barber starts gettin stuffed.



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    i like it because it will basically be up to BJ to make throws downfield on 3rd and long, and on 1st down after barber starts gettin stuffed.



     
    TampaTony
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 4:03 PM ET #3

    YEP.  I think TB Defense will present HUGE problems for Dallas.
     
    Midnight toker, ha.  I toke all thoughout the day.
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    YEP.  I think TB Defense will present HUGE problems for Dallas.
     
    Midnight toker, ha.  I toke all thoughout the day.
    Love that Avatar.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 4:08 PM ET #4

    Love TB in this one put them in one of my teasers.. Cowboys defense is WAY overrated and Buccs defense is tough as nails.
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    Love TB in this one put them in one of my teasers.. Cowboys defense is WAY overrated and Buccs defense is tough as nails.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 4:11 PM ET #5

    Defiently good teaser material.
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    Defiently good teaser material.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 4:19 PM ET #6

    Dallas is WAY over-rated, and under-coached. (which is bad)
    Tampa is Under-Rated and Over-coached.(which is good and bad)

    Honestly i think TB is over-rated. They're in a weak division compared to the NFC East(toughest division in the NFL). And with the exception of the CAR game they haven't looked impressive to me. Their D is great but their offense is just terrible.  But FWIW im probably taking them and the 2 pts this week. Cowboys w/o romo and newman are just bad.
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    Dallas is WAY over-rated, and under-coached. (which is bad)
    Tampa is Under-Rated and Over-coached.(which is good and bad)

    Honestly i think TB is over-rated. They're in a weak division compared to the NFC East(toughest division in the NFL). And with the exception of the CAR game they haven't looked impressive to me. Their D is great but their offense is just terrible.  But FWIW im probably taking them and the 2 pts this week. Cowboys w/o romo and newman are just bad.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 4:24 PM ET #7

    How is TB over-rated when nobody is talking about them.
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    How is TB over-rated when nobody is talking about them.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 4:33 PM ET #8

    Who's nobody? ESPN ? There too busy talking about dallas imploding.
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    Who's nobody? ESPN ? There too busy talking about dallas imploding.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 4:38 PM ET #9

    NOBODY AS IN NOBODY.  Every expert, no matter the channel, and most of the cappers around here had TB losing to Carolina, Denver (but they covered), Green Bay, and Chicago. Tampa covered on all of those games.
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    NOBODY AS IN NOBODY.  Every expert, no matter the channel, and most of the cappers around here had TB losing to Carolina, Denver (but they covered), Green Bay, and Chicago. Tampa covered on all of those games.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 4:54 PM ET #10

    I agree that Tampa is a damn good team, and Garcia looked great against Carolina the week before and against SEA last week. Dallas has injuries and their secondary is going to have a long day against Tampa. But I believe their defense plays a bit better this week with Wade taking charge of the defense instead of the defensive coordinator.
     
    Dallas in need of a desperate win, I would of course love to see them win but would not be suprise if they lose this week against Tampa. BOL to you TampaTony, im staying away from this game. t
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    I agree that Tampa is a damn good team, and Garcia looked great against Carolina the week before and against SEA last week. Dallas has injuries and their secondary is going to have a long day against Tampa. But I believe their defense plays a bit better this week with Wade taking charge of the defense instead of the defensive coordinator.
     
    Dallas in need of a desperate win, I would of course love to see them win but would not be suprise if they lose this week against Tampa. BOL to you TampaTony, im staying away from this game. t
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 4:58 PM ET #11

    you KNOW that if a cowboys fan isn't feeling confident than they're in trouble 
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    you KNOW that if a cowboys fan isn't feeling confident than they're in trouble 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 5:02 PM ET #12

    OHHHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAAAAAA.  Dig it.
     
    If I tell you not to bet with TB, or I dont like the situation, I will tell you, and you better not bet with them if I tell you not to (like with the Seahawks).  I have seen many Dallas fans against the Cowboys this week, and that is a sign folks.
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    OHHHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAAAAAA.  Dig it.
     
    If I tell you not to bet with TB, or I dont like the situation, I will tell you, and you better not bet with them if I tell you not to (like with the Seahawks).  I have seen many Dallas fans against the Cowboys this week, and that is a sign folks.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 5:10 PM ET #13

    A major bounce-back victory is needed for the Cowboys, who were just embarrassed by the freaking Rams. Jerry Jones lashed out at the entire team. That said, there's a chance they may not respond; all of the poor characters Jones has collected are taking a toll on the team's chemistry. 

    Cowboys 27, Buccaneers 23 
    Cowboys -2
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    A major bounce-back victory is needed for the Cowboys, who were just embarrassed by the freaking Rams. Jerry Jones lashed out at the entire team. That said, there's a chance they may not respond; all of the poor characters Jones has collected are taking a toll on the team's chemistry. 

    Cowboys 27, Buccaneers 23 
    Cowboys -2
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 5:55 PM ET #14

    just play the over 40.5  and quit worrying  who wins  it doesnt matter the easy money is on the over
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    just play the over 40.5  and quit worrying  who wins  it doesnt matter the easy money is on the over
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 6:00 PM ET #15

    actually the "public" is on Tampa Bay in this one.
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    actually the "public" is on Tampa Bay in this one.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kroch:

    actually the "public" is on Tampa Bay in this one.

     

    No the public is on Dallas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kroch:

    actually the "public" is on Tampa Bay in this one.

     

    No the public is on Dallas.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 7:22 PM ET #18

    No way is this Dallas team beating Tampa. I think Tampa is one of the best teams in the NFL right now...let's get that money Tony.
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    No way is this Dallas team beating Tampa. I think Tampa is one of the best teams in the NFL right now...let's get that money Tony.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 11:24 PM ET #19

    Well said Tony.... You are all ove this....
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    Well said Tony.... You are all ove this....
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2008 - 11:26 PM ET #20

    As an ex convict that served with Tampa Tony, he knows his team well.  If you want to win money you go with Tampa against Dallas.
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    As an ex convict that served with Tampa Tony, he knows his team well.  If you want to win money you go with Tampa against Dallas.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2008 - 5:55 AM ET #21

    Dallas is Very OVERATED, have been all year
    Tampa Bay is UNDERATED
    Dallas is ready for an implosion.......coming soon!!!!!!
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    Dallas is Very OVERATED, have been all year
    Tampa Bay is UNDERATED
    Dallas is ready for an implosion.......coming soon!!!!!!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2008 - 6:14 AM ET #22

    Nothing better than watching Jerry Jones walking around with a sick look on his face after a LOSS
    GO BUCS!!
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    Nothing better than watching Jerry Jones walking around with a sick look on his face after a LOSS
    GO BUCS!!
     
    Bucks10
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2008 - 7:36 AM ET #23

    Werd Wardy
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    Werd Wardy
     
    TampaTony
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2008 - 9:19 AM ET #24

    Lets get paid this weekend fellas.
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    Lets get paid this weekend fellas.
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2008 - 9:33 AM ET #25

    gl, like the play thinking TB ML Sunday morning for best value
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    gl, like the play thinking TB ML Sunday morning for best value
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