who in the world is going to have production to score against Denver? You know this is what they are game planning for. Stop their main 3 weapons and the offense is in shut down mode. The problem is you SEA backers think that Wilson is going to make incredible plays with his legs and the SEA D will do most of the work to force turnovers but this is a tall task and not a high percentage scenario. You have to think about the X's and O''s of the matchup in order to arrive at the right conclusion. Stopping the big 3 will happen and you deep down know it but are letting emotions sway your thinking SEA backers.
You have 2 weeks to make the right decision
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who in the world is going to have production to score against Denver? You know this is what they are game planning for. Stop their main 3 weapons and the offense is in shut down mode. The problem is you SEA backers think that Wilson is going to make incredible plays with his legs and the SEA D will do most of the work to force turnovers but this is a tall task and not a high percentage scenario. You have to think about the X's and O''s of the matchup in order to arrive at the right conclusion. Stopping the big 3 will happen and you deep down know it but are letting emotions sway your thinking SEA backers.
It isnt like you named just 1 guy for Denver to contain....you named 3 ball carriers without even mentioning Harvin. Your headline shouldve just read, "Once Denver contains the entire Seattle offense".........
Im not making a play on Seattle because of Wilson, Im just hoping that he protects the ball for us. Regarding x/o's, where do you want to start?
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It isnt like you named just 1 guy for Denver to contain....you named 3 ball carriers without even mentioning Harvin. Your headline shouldve just read, "Once Denver contains the entire Seattle offense".........
Im not making a play on Seattle because of Wilson, Im just hoping that he protects the ball for us. Regarding x/o's, where do you want to start?
The key bronco backers are missing - this is the best pass rush they are going to see all season long and seattle will zero fear of manning beating then with his legs, then add in the fact that seattle has the dbs to play press man coverage at the line of scrimage, taking away the short timming routes. seattle will force manning to beat them deep, and he will not be able to do it in a windy giants staduim. we have seen it over and over in playoff history - great offenses lead by strict pocket passers can be neurtalized by a great pass rush.
The seattle offense will have one job to do: dont turn it over. add in the fact that the only mobile qb denver has faced all season long were the armless terrel pryor and rg3 who was backed by a terrible defense, i think the denver defense will have trouble containing wilson on bootleg plays where he has the option to run.
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The key bronco backers are missing - this is the best pass rush they are going to see all season long and seattle will zero fear of manning beating then with his legs, then add in the fact that seattle has the dbs to play press man coverage at the line of scrimage, taking away the short timming routes. seattle will force manning to beat them deep, and he will not be able to do it in a windy giants staduim. we have seen it over and over in playoff history - great offenses lead by strict pocket passers can be neurtalized by a great pass rush.
The seattle offense will have one job to do: dont turn it over. add in the fact that the only mobile qb denver has faced all season long were the armless terrel pryor and rg3 who was backed by a terrible defense, i think the denver defense will have trouble containing wilson on bootleg plays where he has the option to run.
The key for denver will be their ruuning game. manning is the best in the league at audibling the run in favorable situations, and it will take a great running game to sustain drives and get yardage to get first downs.
At the end of the day, its football and the nfl - this sh1t will probably come down to a bullshit play in the 4 th q!
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The key for denver will be their ruuning game. manning is the best in the league at audibling the run in favorable situations, and it will take a great running game to sustain drives and get yardage to get first downs.
At the end of the day, its football and the nfl - this sh1t will probably come down to a bullshit play in the 4 th q!
All your doing is using guess work as to what YOU think will happen.
Your throwing mental darts at a dart board to arrive at a conclusion.
Here's what I do know as facts, not guess work.
Denver's defense did not shut-down either QB in the playoffs, they both played better against Denver's defense than their regular season averages.
It took Denver's opp 122.5 yards to score TD against Denver's defense.
It took Seattle's opp 156.8 yds to score a TD.
Seattle's opp needed just 98.7 yards to score a TD in the regular season but against Seattle's great defense they needed a whopping 58.1 yards more to score the same TD.
Denver's opp needed 104.13 yards to score a TD in the regular season, they needed just 18.37 yards more to score the same TD against Denver's mediocre defense.
58.1 TO 18.37 speaks volumes about those 2 teams.
It took 120.82 yards to score a TD against SD and Pats in regular season. It took Denver 121.8 yards to score they same TD, Denver could not score against those defenses any easier than all the other teams could. Denver needed 1 additional yard to score a TD.
It took 121.59 yards to score a TD against 9ers and Saints, it took Seattle just 88.9 yards to score a TD against those 2 teams. Seattle needed a whopping 32.69 yards fewer to score the same TD.
32.69 TO 1 speaks volumes about these 2 teams.
You can use guess work or you can look at the facts which have high predictive value going forward.
There's no easy games in the NFL but the right side is easy to call.
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All your doing is using guess work as to what YOU think will happen.
Your throwing mental darts at a dart board to arrive at a conclusion.
Here's what I do know as facts, not guess work.
Denver's defense did not shut-down either QB in the playoffs, they both played better against Denver's defense than their regular season averages.
It took Denver's opp 122.5 yards to score TD against Denver's defense.
It took Seattle's opp 156.8 yds to score a TD.
Seattle's opp needed just 98.7 yards to score a TD in the regular season but against Seattle's great defense they needed a whopping 58.1 yards more to score the same TD.
Denver's opp needed 104.13 yards to score a TD in the regular season, they needed just 18.37 yards more to score the same TD against Denver's mediocre defense.
58.1 TO 18.37 speaks volumes about those 2 teams.
It took 120.82 yards to score a TD against SD and Pats in regular season. It took Denver 121.8 yards to score they same TD, Denver could not score against those defenses any easier than all the other teams could. Denver needed 1 additional yard to score a TD.
It took 121.59 yards to score a TD against 9ers and Saints, it took Seattle just 88.9 yards to score a TD against those 2 teams. Seattle needed a whopping 32.69 yards fewer to score the same TD.
32.69 TO 1 speaks volumes about these 2 teams.
You can use guess work or you can look at the facts which have high predictive value going forward.
There's no easy games in the NFL but the right side is easy to call.
who in the world is going to have production to score against Denver? You know this is what they are game planning for. Stop their main 3 weapons and the offense is in shut down mode. The problem is you SEA backers think that Wilson is going to make incredible plays with his legs and the SEA D will do most of the work to force turnovers but this is a tall task and not a high percentage scenario. You have to think about the X's and O''s of the matchup in order to arrive at the right conclusion. Stopping the big 3 will happen and you deep down know it but are letting emotions sway your thinking SEA backers.
You have 2 weeks to make the right decision
Yeh because that Denver D is so prolific...
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Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:
who in the world is going to have production to score against Denver? You know this is what they are game planning for. Stop their main 3 weapons and the offense is in shut down mode. The problem is you SEA backers think that Wilson is going to make incredible plays with his legs and the SEA D will do most of the work to force turnovers but this is a tall task and not a high percentage scenario. You have to think about the X's and O''s of the matchup in order to arrive at the right conclusion. Stopping the big 3 will happen and you deep down know it but are letting emotions sway your thinking SEA backers.
All your doing is using guess work as to what YOU think will happen.
Your throwing mental darts at a dart board to arrive at a conclusion.
Here's what I do know as facts, not guess work.
Denver's defense did not shut-down either QB in the playoffs, they both played better against Denver's defense than their regular season averages.
It took Denver's opp 122.5 yards to score TD against Denver's defense.
It took Seattle's opp 156.8 yds to score a TD.
Seattle's opp needed just 98.7 yards to score a TD in the regular season but against Seattle's great defense they needed a whopping 58.1 yards more to score the same TD.
Denver's opp needed 104.13 yards to score a TD in the regular season, they needed just 18.37 yards more to score the same TD against Denver's mediocre defense.
58.1 TO 18.37 speaks volumes about those 2 teams.
It took 120.82 yards to score a TD against SD and Pats in regular season. It took Denver 121.8 yards to score they same TD, Denver could not score against those defenses any easier than all the other teams could. Denver needed 1 additional yard to score a TD.
It took 121.59 yards to score a TD against 9ers and Saints, it took Seattle just 88.9 yards to score a TD against those 2 teams. Seattle needed a whopping 32.69 yards fewer to score the same TD.
32.69 TO 1 speaks volumes about these 2 teams.
You can use guess work or you can look at the facts which have high predictive value going forward.
There's no easy games in the NFL but the right side is easy to call.
These are not very useful stats at all. How about this stat: It ignores game situations and the fact that Brees is usually an average QB on the road in not so favorable weather while Denver had to contain Phillips and Brady in great weather.
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Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:
All your doing is using guess work as to what YOU think will happen.
Your throwing mental darts at a dart board to arrive at a conclusion.
Here's what I do know as facts, not guess work.
Denver's defense did not shut-down either QB in the playoffs, they both played better against Denver's defense than their regular season averages.
It took Denver's opp 122.5 yards to score TD against Denver's defense.
It took Seattle's opp 156.8 yds to score a TD.
Seattle's opp needed just 98.7 yards to score a TD in the regular season but against Seattle's great defense they needed a whopping 58.1 yards more to score the same TD.
Denver's opp needed 104.13 yards to score a TD in the regular season, they needed just 18.37 yards more to score the same TD against Denver's mediocre defense.
58.1 TO 18.37 speaks volumes about those 2 teams.
It took 120.82 yards to score a TD against SD and Pats in regular season. It took Denver 121.8 yards to score they same TD, Denver could not score against those defenses any easier than all the other teams could. Denver needed 1 additional yard to score a TD.
It took 121.59 yards to score a TD against 9ers and Saints, it took Seattle just 88.9 yards to score a TD against those 2 teams. Seattle needed a whopping 32.69 yards fewer to score the same TD.
32.69 TO 1 speaks volumes about these 2 teams.
You can use guess work or you can look at the facts which have high predictive value going forward.
There's no easy games in the NFL but the right side is easy to call.
These are not very useful stats at all. How about this stat: It ignores game situations and the fact that Brees is usually an average QB on the road in not so favorable weather while Denver had to contain Phillips and Brady in great weather.
How do some of you feel regarding the Sea DL that is 7-deep? Won't the no-huddle that Manning employs negate a great deal of it's effectiveness therefore giving him more time to throw? Plus, he has one of the quickest releases in NFL already.
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How do some of you feel regarding the Sea DL that is 7-deep? Won't the no-huddle that Manning employs negate a great deal of it's effectiveness therefore giving him more time to throw? Plus, he has one of the quickest releases in NFL already.
That defense is still a stinker and they were able to get away with it for two games but death took a holiday. When Wilson extends pass plays with his feet, Denver will have no answer. That Bronco swiss cheese secondary will be stuffed by Seattle A$$.
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That defense is still a stinker and they were able to get away with it for two games but death took a holiday. When Wilson extends pass plays with his feet, Denver will have no answer. That Bronco swiss cheese secondary will be stuffed by Seattle A$$.
here's what Seattle backers are forgetting and no one is talking about: Denver's last 5 games points allowed: 20, 13, 14, 17, 16. three of these games were vs. SD and NE, whose offenses are more potent, higher scoring O's than Seattle. Caroll better come up with one hell of a game plan if he wants to keep up with Denver through 4 quarters 'cause their D has gelled at the right time.
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here's what Seattle backers are forgetting and no one is talking about: Denver's last 5 games points allowed: 20, 13, 14, 17, 16. three of these games were vs. SD and NE, whose offenses are more potent, higher scoring O's than Seattle. Caroll better come up with one hell of a game plan if he wants to keep up with Denver through 4 quarters 'cause their D has gelled at the right time.
Let me add this....all the talk about this is the best D the Broncos have seen doesn't bring alot of merit if you don't say that this is the best O the Seahawks have seen. This game is coming down to who is the better QB. And that is an easy answer.
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Let me add this....all the talk about this is the best D the Broncos have seen doesn't bring alot of merit if you don't say that this is the best O the Seahawks have seen. This game is coming down to who is the better QB. And that is an easy answer.
It isnt like you named just 1 guy for Denver to contain....you named 3 ball carriers without even mentioning Harvin. Your headline shouldve just read, "Once Denver contains the entire Seattle offense".........
Im not making a play on Seattle because of Wilson, Im just hoping that he protects the ball for us. Regarding x/o's, where do you want to start?
This guy really said , if they stop Lynch, Baldwin, Tate, and Russel Wilson, who will have production
If the Seahawks stop Peyton, Demaryius, Decker, Julius and Welker who will have production
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Quote Originally Posted by amd:
It isnt like you named just 1 guy for Denver to contain....you named 3 ball carriers without even mentioning Harvin. Your headline shouldve just read, "Once Denver contains the entire Seattle offense".........
Im not making a play on Seattle because of Wilson, Im just hoping that he protects the ball for us. Regarding x/o's, where do you want to start?
This guy really said , if they stop Lynch, Baldwin, Tate, and Russel Wilson, who will have production
If the Seahawks stop Peyton, Demaryius, Decker, Julius and Welker who will have production
"we have seen it over and over in playoff history - great offenses lead
by strict pocket passers can be neurtalized by a great pass rush."
You mean LOSER pocket passers like Joe Montana, Bart Starr, Rodger Staubach, Joe Namath, Jim Plunkett, Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Terry Bradshaw, Ken Stabler.
ALL Super Bowl winners!.....did they ALL go against sheitty defenses and just lucked out to win?
What history do you have to support that statement BOB?
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BOB696969
"we have seen it over and over in playoff history - great offenses lead
by strict pocket passers can be neurtalized by a great pass rush."
You mean LOSER pocket passers like Joe Montana, Bart Starr, Rodger Staubach, Joe Namath, Jim Plunkett, Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Terry Bradshaw, Ken Stabler.
ALL Super Bowl winners!.....did they ALL go against sheitty defenses and just lucked out to win?
What history do you have to support that statement BOB?
SF couldn't contain those guys so how do you expect Denver to do so? Go ahead waste your money on Denver and bet offense, I'll stick with defense and the side Vegas is on.
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SF couldn't contain those guys so how do you expect Denver to do so? Go ahead waste your money on Denver and bet offense, I'll stick with defense and the side Vegas is on.
These are not very useful stats at all. How about this stat: It ignores game situations and the fact that Brees is usually an average QB on the road in not so favorable weather while Denver had to contain Phillips and Brady in great weather.
Oh, I see, favorable weather for Denver, were they took 121.8 yards to score a TD in favorable weather,
meanwhile, Seattle took 88.5 yards to score a TD in not so favorable weather........................
So Seattle's offense is much more efficient in bad weather than Denver's offense is in favorable weather, OK, sounds good to me.
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Quote Originally Posted by PlayWithThem:
These are not very useful stats at all. How about this stat: It ignores game situations and the fact that Brees is usually an average QB on the road in not so favorable weather while Denver had to contain Phillips and Brady in great weather.
Oh, I see, favorable weather for Denver, were they took 121.8 yards to score a TD in favorable weather,
meanwhile, Seattle took 88.5 yards to score a TD in not so favorable weather........................
So Seattle's offense is much more efficient in bad weather than Denver's offense is in favorable weather, OK, sounds good to me.
"we have seen it over and over in playoff history - great offenses lead
by strict pocket passers can be neurtalized by a great pass rush."
You mean LOSER pocket passers like Joe Montana, Bart Starr, Rodger Staubach, Joe Namath, Jim Plunkett, Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Terry Bradshaw, Ken Stabler.
ALL Super Bowl winners!.....did they ALL go against sheitty defenses and just lucked out to win?
What history do you have to support that statement BOB?
what about when the giants played the pats twice and that pass rush ate tom terrific alive... or when the steelers beat arizona, and that defense pressured kurt warner all game.... or even to use opne of your examples when the pats beat stl... they were led by that defense all tom had to do was basically manange the game and not make a mistake...
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Quote Originally Posted by Cooler999:
BOB696969
"we have seen it over and over in playoff history - great offenses lead
by strict pocket passers can be neurtalized by a great pass rush."
You mean LOSER pocket passers like Joe Montana, Bart Starr, Rodger Staubach, Joe Namath, Jim Plunkett, Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Terry Bradshaw, Ken Stabler.
ALL Super Bowl winners!.....did they ALL go against sheitty defenses and just lucked out to win?
What history do you have to support that statement BOB?
what about when the giants played the pats twice and that pass rush ate tom terrific alive... or when the steelers beat arizona, and that defense pressured kurt warner all game.... or even to use opne of your examples when the pats beat stl... they were led by that defense all tom had to do was basically manange the game and not make a mistake...
Oh, I see, favorable weather for Denver, were they took 121.8 yards to score a TD in favorable weather,
meanwhile, Seattle took 88.5 yards to score a TD in not so favorable weather........................
So Seattle's offense is much more efficient in bad weather than Denver's offense is in favorable weather, OK, sounds good to me.
The real question here is the defense, hence why I brought that side of the argument. There is no question about who has the better offense. Do yourself a favor and don't even bring the offense into the conversation. Denver had a historical offensive campaign, you just can't bring it up if you want to make any argument whatsoever.
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Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:
Oh, I see, favorable weather for Denver, were they took 121.8 yards to score a TD in favorable weather,
meanwhile, Seattle took 88.5 yards to score a TD in not so favorable weather........................
So Seattle's offense is much more efficient in bad weather than Denver's offense is in favorable weather, OK, sounds good to me.
The real question here is the defense, hence why I brought that side of the argument. There is no question about who has the better offense. Do yourself a favor and don't even bring the offense into the conversation. Denver had a historical offensive campaign, you just can't bring it up if you want to make any argument whatsoever.
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