looks like the line is finally affected by news of the possible snow and perhaps return of Harvin.
I would think most serious Seattle backers were waiting for the line to hit +3... but 2.5 looks like the ceiling.
I wonder what the low would be before Denver backers eat it up. i am thinking -1.. or do u think some serious money comes in on the 'hawks later to push it even further down ?
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looks like the line is finally affected by news of the possible snow and perhaps return of Harvin.
I would think most serious Seattle backers were waiting for the line to hit +3... but 2.5 looks like the ceiling.
I wonder what the low would be before Denver backers eat it up. i am thinking -1.. or do u think some serious money comes in on the 'hawks later to push it even further down ?
Forget the stats. What do your eyes tell you. If you just watch those championship games again, Denver does not pass the eye test. Seattle and the 49ers were playing at a different level, speed, ferocity. The Denver game looked like a regular season game compared to what Seattle and the 49ers brought to the table: guys were leaving in body bags. Meanwhile, the patriots looked like a JV team or a practice squad, and they still managed to stay in the game.
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Forget the stats. What do your eyes tell you. If you just watch those championship games again, Denver does not pass the eye test. Seattle and the 49ers were playing at a different level, speed, ferocity. The Denver game looked like a regular season game compared to what Seattle and the 49ers brought to the table: guys were leaving in body bags. Meanwhile, the patriots looked like a JV team or a practice squad, and they still managed to stay in the game.
I just pray for the sake of Denver bettors, they don't lose too much on it. Seattle has this.
Heard horror stories about big losses on the Super Bowl. I really don't bet any more on the Bowl than other games. Maybe a few squares on top of my normal bet.
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I just pray for the sake of Denver bettors, they don't lose too much on it. Seattle has this.
Heard horror stories about big losses on the Super Bowl. I really don't bet any more on the Bowl than other games. Maybe a few squares on top of my normal bet.
Seattle played against Kap and Bree's, ave QBPR between the 2 was 98.15
Denver played Rivers and Brady ave QBPR between these 2 is 96.4.
Seattle played the slightly better QB's.
Seattle defensive passer rating against those 2 QB's was 71.35 or 26.8 below their averages.
Denver defensive passer rating was 104.85 or 8.45 above their averages.
No comparison to which defense is light years ahead of the other.
is this like ur "best mismatch" bet of the playoff so far?: u took Eagles -2.5 vs Saints ??
Did anyone ever tell up that u rely too much on useless numbers ? I just read ur thread where u ranked the Eagles #2 in the playoff...lol
Seriously, Cap is just a mediocre QB ( just like Crabtree is a mediocre WR.. Hahaha) and Brees is only a half a QB when he is away from New Orleans.
No one questions the dominance of seattle's DBs, especially at home where they get the benefit of the PI or illegal contact non-calls. Add that to the inability of the visiting QB to audible effectively and u have a recipe for the best home field advantage of NFL.
If this game was in Seattle, I would be all over Seattle -3 or -4. However, this game is in neutral field and Peyton should be able to get the audibles in effectively as well as getting the ref's protection.
U can talk about all the QBPR u want until u r blue in the face... It's a useless info for this SB.
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Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:
Seattle played against Kap and Bree's, ave QBPR between the 2 was 98.15
Denver played Rivers and Brady ave QBPR between these 2 is 96.4.
Seattle played the slightly better QB's.
Seattle defensive passer rating against those 2 QB's was 71.35 or 26.8 below their averages.
Denver defensive passer rating was 104.85 or 8.45 above their averages.
No comparison to which defense is light years ahead of the other.
is this like ur "best mismatch" bet of the playoff so far?: u took Eagles -2.5 vs Saints ??
Did anyone ever tell up that u rely too much on useless numbers ? I just read ur thread where u ranked the Eagles #2 in the playoff...lol
Seriously, Cap is just a mediocre QB ( just like Crabtree is a mediocre WR.. Hahaha) and Brees is only a half a QB when he is away from New Orleans.
No one questions the dominance of seattle's DBs, especially at home where they get the benefit of the PI or illegal contact non-calls. Add that to the inability of the visiting QB to audible effectively and u have a recipe for the best home field advantage of NFL.
If this game was in Seattle, I would be all over Seattle -3 or -4. However, this game is in neutral field and Peyton should be able to get the audibles in effectively as well as getting the ref's protection.
U can talk about all the QBPR u want until u r blue in the face... It's a useless info for this SB.
will seahawks defense put pressure on manning to get rid of the ball quickly causing interceptions.If manning doesnt choke which he has a history of doing he will win.That's the major factor choking.
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will seahawks defense put pressure on manning to get rid of the ball quickly causing interceptions.If manning doesnt choke which he has a history of doing he will win.That's the major factor choking.
is this like ur "best mismatch" bet of the playoff so far?: u took Eagles -2.5 vs Saints ??
Did anyone ever tell up that u rely too much on useless numbers ? I just read ur thread where u ranked the Eagles #2 in the playoff...lol
Seriously, Cap is just a mediocre QB ( just like Crabtree is a mediocre WR.. Hahaha) and Brees is only a half a QB when he is away from New Orleans.
No one questions the dominance of seattle's DBs, especially at home where they get the benefit of the PI or illegal contact non-calls. Add that to the inability of the visiting QB to audible effectively and u have a recipe for the best home field advantage of NFL.
If this game was in Seattle, I would be all over Seattle -3 or -4. However, this game is in neutral field and Peyton should be able to get the audibles in effectively as well as getting the ref's protection.
U can talk about all the QBPR u want until u r blue in the face... It's a useless info for this SB.
FINALLY. a poster stepping up for all the BRONCOS significant advantages and Hawks glaring weaknesses
You are going 8-2, can't help all the mindless Covers sheep being led to slaughter......Just start looking at the facts and they SHOW Denver is the pick
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Quote Originally Posted by CC12:
is this like ur "best mismatch" bet of the playoff so far?: u took Eagles -2.5 vs Saints ??
Did anyone ever tell up that u rely too much on useless numbers ? I just read ur thread where u ranked the Eagles #2 in the playoff...lol
Seriously, Cap is just a mediocre QB ( just like Crabtree is a mediocre WR.. Hahaha) and Brees is only a half a QB when he is away from New Orleans.
No one questions the dominance of seattle's DBs, especially at home where they get the benefit of the PI or illegal contact non-calls. Add that to the inability of the visiting QB to audible effectively and u have a recipe for the best home field advantage of NFL.
If this game was in Seattle, I would be all over Seattle -3 or -4. However, this game is in neutral field and Peyton should be able to get the audibles in effectively as well as getting the ref's protection.
U can talk about all the QBPR u want until u r blue in the face... It's a useless info for this SB.
FINALLY. a poster stepping up for all the BRONCOS significant advantages and Hawks glaring weaknesses
You are going 8-2, can't help all the mindless Covers sheep being led to slaughter......Just start looking at the facts and they SHOW Denver is the pick
yes, most stats can be interpreted different ways.
but can u give me an example of things i stated that can be construed differently to support the hawks ?
Just on top of my head, you questioned the teams the Hawks played during in regards to top-tier QBs, the Broncos didn't exactly play against many of them during the season as well. In addition, you used Hou and NYG as an examples to illustrate the point of misleading defensive stats. Well, they both were on Den's schedule. It worked for both teams, didn't it? Besides, Jags, Titans and Raiders weren't exactly offensive powerhouses, either.
I do agree and have stated the game is probably coming down to whether the Hawks can disrupt Peyton's timing. Like you said, it's all about match up and if there's a team that can match up well with the Broncos' offense, it's the Hawks' defense. Manning relies a lot of his short throws and timing routes, but the Hawks can counter that with their physical plays by their DBs and LBs. It just wouldn't be as easy for him to throw to his safety valve to get the same results. One big advantage for Den's offense is its TE(Thomas) but the Hawks has the safety to match.
You brought up the point that games are won in trenches so by the same token, you can't really have a average D-Line with the defense as good as the Hawks. In NFL, any QB would have a good day if he's allowed the time to throw the rock. I really think the front for Sea is a bit underrated due to obvious reason. The fact that they can rotate them is actually a good thing imo. GL
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Quote Originally Posted by CC12:
yes, most stats can be interpreted different ways.
but can u give me an example of things i stated that can be construed differently to support the hawks ?
Just on top of my head, you questioned the teams the Hawks played during in regards to top-tier QBs, the Broncos didn't exactly play against many of them during the season as well. In addition, you used Hou and NYG as an examples to illustrate the point of misleading defensive stats. Well, they both were on Den's schedule. It worked for both teams, didn't it? Besides, Jags, Titans and Raiders weren't exactly offensive powerhouses, either.
I do agree and have stated the game is probably coming down to whether the Hawks can disrupt Peyton's timing. Like you said, it's all about match up and if there's a team that can match up well with the Broncos' offense, it's the Hawks' defense. Manning relies a lot of his short throws and timing routes, but the Hawks can counter that with their physical plays by their DBs and LBs. It just wouldn't be as easy for him to throw to his safety valve to get the same results. One big advantage for Den's offense is its TE(Thomas) but the Hawks has the safety to match.
You brought up the point that games are won in trenches so by the same token, you can't really have a average D-Line with the defense as good as the Hawks. In NFL, any QB would have a good day if he's allowed the time to throw the rock. I really think the front for Sea is a bit underrated due to obvious reason. The fact that they can rotate them is actually a good thing imo. GL
In NFL, any QB would have a good day if he's allowed the time to throw the rock. I really think the front for Sea is a bit underrated due to obvious reason. The fact that they can rotate them is actually a good thing imo. GL [/Quote]
Hello. MCFLY, how can rotating DL help when Peyton's "running" No- Huddle offense.....this is another Broncos advantage....Peyton is much smarter than the "thug" squad Plus, he knows "how to adjust"
And CC, the officials will, unfortunately, could, have a significant bearing on Denver's passing game success
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In NFL, any QB would have a good day if he's allowed the time to throw the rock. I really think the front for Sea is a bit underrated due to obvious reason. The fact that they can rotate them is actually a good thing imo. GL [/Quote]
Hello. MCFLY, how can rotating DL help when Peyton's "running" No- Huddle offense.....this is another Broncos advantage....Peyton is much smarter than the "thug" squad Plus, he knows "how to adjust"
And CC, the officials will, unfortunately, could, have a significant bearing on Denver's passing game success
i understand and agree with what ur saying about the Denver's match ups this year... nothing awesome... just like Seattles.
i was just pointing out Seattle defense and who they played against just to show that the all stats are not absolute. To simply say they are the best defense because the numbers show it is little naive IMO
i've been reading lotta people who keep saying defense wins championship.. but this defense is set up differently and dominates in a different fashion... They play in a offensively challenged NFC West & they really haven't been tested by NFL. I think they are a great defense.. but not good enough to win the SB.
The biggest weakness is the front line for Seattle. And, no, they will not be able to rotate the big men like they want to due to the no-huddle offense of Denver.
the 2 props available on 5D illustrates it too :
SEA sacks DEN QB first +120 DEN sacks SEA QB first -140
and SEA total sacks made +135 DEN total sacks made -165
its obvious from these lines that 'people' think Denver has the better offensive line and the defensive line compared to Seattle.
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thx for replying bunny651
i understand and agree with what ur saying about the Denver's match ups this year... nothing awesome... just like Seattles.
i was just pointing out Seattle defense and who they played against just to show that the all stats are not absolute. To simply say they are the best defense because the numbers show it is little naive IMO
i've been reading lotta people who keep saying defense wins championship.. but this defense is set up differently and dominates in a different fashion... They play in a offensively challenged NFC West & they really haven't been tested by NFL. I think they are a great defense.. but not good enough to win the SB.
The biggest weakness is the front line for Seattle. And, no, they will not be able to rotate the big men like they want to due to the no-huddle offense of Denver.
the 2 props available on 5D illustrates it too :
SEA sacks DEN QB first +120 DEN sacks SEA QB first -140
and SEA total sacks made +135 DEN total sacks made -165
its obvious from these lines that 'people' think Denver has the better offensive line and the defensive line compared to Seattle.
looks like the line is finally affected by news of the possible snow and perhaps return of Harvin.
I would think most serious Seattle backers were waiting for the line to hit +3... but 2.5 looks like the ceiling.
I wonder what the low would be before Denver backers eat it up. i am thinking -1.. or do u think some serious money comes in on the 'hawks later to push it even further down ?
Late Seattle money seems pouring in, the line starts to move down to Denver -2 and lighter juice. Denver ML is also coming down from -130 earlier to -120 currently.
We might see Denver -1 or PK on Sunday morning.
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Quote Originally Posted by CC12:
looks like the line is finally affected by news of the possible snow and perhaps return of Harvin.
I would think most serious Seattle backers were waiting for the line to hit +3... but 2.5 looks like the ceiling.
I wonder what the low would be before Denver backers eat it up. i am thinking -1.. or do u think some serious money comes in on the 'hawks later to push it even further down ?
Late Seattle money seems pouring in, the line starts to move down to Denver -2 and lighter juice. Denver ML is also coming down from -130 earlier to -120 currently.
It's nice to just talk football with someone without names being thrown around, LOL
My comment on the rotation has nothing to do with this game. it's just a response to your comment," Seattle has to rotate players...".
I guess it's all relative. I actually think it's a compliment because people have to pick the D-Line as its "weakness".
Don't get me wrong, I think Den is a great team and Manning is a great QB. Like you, I also read post after post that says Den winning the SB is a forgone conclusion. this will be a great game.
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It's nice to just talk football with someone without names being thrown around, LOL
My comment on the rotation has nothing to do with this game. it's just a response to your comment," Seattle has to rotate players...".
I guess it's all relative. I actually think it's a compliment because people have to pick the D-Line as its "weakness".
Don't get me wrong, I think Den is a great team and Manning is a great QB. Like you, I also read post after post that says Den winning the SB is a forgone conclusion. this will be a great game.
is this like ur "best mismatch" bet of the playoff so far?: u took Eagles -2.5 vs Saints ??
Did anyone ever tell up that u rely too much on useless numbers ? I just read ur thread where u ranked the Eagles #2 in the playoff...lol
Seriously, Cap is just a mediocre QB ( just like Crabtree is a mediocre WR.. Hahaha) and Brees is only a half a QB when he is away from New Orleans.
No one questions the dominance of seattle's DBs, especially at home where they get the benefit of the PI or illegal contact non-calls. Add that to the inability of the visiting QB to audible effectively and u have a recipe for the best home field advantage of NFL.
If this game was in Seattle, I would be all over Seattle -3 or -4. However, this game is in neutral field and Peyton should be able to get the audibles in effectively as well as getting the ref's protection.
U can talk about all the QBPR u want until u r blue in the face... It's a useless info for this SB.
QBPR has the highest correlation to victory and the highest predictive value going forward.
The team which plays the best in this stat throughout the playoffs wins the SB more often than not.
You want to know a stat that is meaningless ?
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Quote Originally Posted by CC12:
is this like ur "best mismatch" bet of the playoff so far?: u took Eagles -2.5 vs Saints ??
Did anyone ever tell up that u rely too much on useless numbers ? I just read ur thread where u ranked the Eagles #2 in the playoff...lol
Seriously, Cap is just a mediocre QB ( just like Crabtree is a mediocre WR.. Hahaha) and Brees is only a half a QB when he is away from New Orleans.
No one questions the dominance of seattle's DBs, especially at home where they get the benefit of the PI or illegal contact non-calls. Add that to the inability of the visiting QB to audible effectively and u have a recipe for the best home field advantage of NFL.
If this game was in Seattle, I would be all over Seattle -3 or -4. However, this game is in neutral field and Peyton should be able to get the audibles in effectively as well as getting the ref's protection.
U can talk about all the QBPR u want until u r blue in the face... It's a useless info for this SB.
QBPR has the highest correlation to victory and the highest predictive value going forward.
The team which plays the best in this stat throughout the playoffs wins the SB more often than not.
all the Seattle backers are constantly reminding me... lol
But that's a pretty vague statement: Denver's D is ranked #17
First of all, I don't think Denver played "against much weaker opponent" ( i am assuming u r comparing to Seattle's opponents)
2nd of all, Denver Defense's Yards allowed per run (Y/PR) is 3.87 (ranked #8) Do u know Seattle's rank for Y/PR ? Ok... its ranked #12 with 3.98 Y/PR
thirdly, when u r playing with a big lead most of the time like Denver, u end up playing loose coverage. Which translates to more yards per game allowed
Lastly, I've seen the Denver Defense really step it up in the playoff (yeah yeah it was against Chargers and Patriots ) and I see them continuing the effort in the SB. I am sure they are sick of hearing how Seattle has the number 1 defense.
Denver Defense = X factor
CORRELATION TO VICTORY.................
The team that wins the ave per rush battle wins about 47% of all games.
The team that wins the QBPR battle wins about 80% of all games.
PREDICTIVE VALUE...............................
The team coming into a game with the better ave per rush wins about 48% of all games.
Team coming into the game with the better QBPR wins about 65% of all games.
The one stat your counting on to call Denver a better defense turns-out to be the most meaningless of all stats.
I just post the facts, it's up to you to use them wisely.
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Quote Originally Posted by CC12:
How can i forget ?
all the Seattle backers are constantly reminding me... lol
But that's a pretty vague statement: Denver's D is ranked #17
First of all, I don't think Denver played "against much weaker opponent" ( i am assuming u r comparing to Seattle's opponents)
2nd of all, Denver Defense's Yards allowed per run (Y/PR) is 3.87 (ranked #8) Do u know Seattle's rank for Y/PR ? Ok... its ranked #12 with 3.98 Y/PR
thirdly, when u r playing with a big lead most of the time like Denver, u end up playing loose coverage. Which translates to more yards per game allowed
Lastly, I've seen the Denver Defense really step it up in the playoff (yeah yeah it was against Chargers and Patriots ) and I see them continuing the effort in the SB. I am sure they are sick of hearing how Seattle has the number 1 defense.
Denver Defense = X factor
CORRELATION TO VICTORY.................
The team that wins the ave per rush battle wins about 47% of all games.
The team that wins the QBPR battle wins about 80% of all games.
PREDICTIVE VALUE...............................
The team coming into a game with the better ave per rush wins about 48% of all games.
Team coming into the game with the better QBPR wins about 65% of all games.
The one stat your counting on to call Denver a better defense turns-out to be the most meaningless of all stats.
I just post the facts, it's up to you to use them wisely.
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) and I see them continuing the effort in the SB. I am sure they are sick of hearing how Seattle has the number 1 defense. 
Denver Defense = X factor 
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