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    Tim Tebow is now 3-1 as a starter

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    StraightShooter
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2011 - 3:04 AM ET #76

    “Tebow will never be a first round pick.”

    “Tebow will never be a starting NFL QB.”

    “Tebow will never win games as an NFL QB.”

    “Tebow may have won a couple of games, but he can’t keep winning.”

    Every time Tebow proves his haters wrong rather than man up and admit they were wrong they up their claims.

    Maybe they should just say that Tebow won’t win league MVP this season so they can finally get one right.

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    “Tebow will never be a first round pick.”

    “Tebow will never be a starting NFL QB.”

    “Tebow will never win games as an NFL QB.”

    “Tebow may have won a couple of games, but he can’t keep winning.”

    Every time Tebow proves his haters wrong rather than man up and admit they were wrong they up their claims.

    Maybe they should just say that Tebow won’t win league MVP this season so they can finally get one right.

     
    Ktrain
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2011 - 2:28 PM ET #77

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    Some people love to focus on how Tebow hasn’t beaten any good teams while failing to mention that Tebow plays on a shit team.  With the way some people act you would think Tebow took over an offense loaded with talent.

    I mean seriously: what offensive weapons does this kid have to use?

    Hell, during his last win Denver lost their top 2 running backs in the first quarter.

     


    I'm not of the belief that there are "bad wins" in the NFL. I.E. beating a few shitty teams does not discount what someone does.

    I am of the belief that a really good, quality defense can overshadow an average to below average offense. I'm not knocking Tebow because he completed only 2 passes against the Chiefs. 

    I'm just not ready to call the kid a winner yet after 4 games this season and 2 or 3 last season. The potential is there for him to be a real winner and leader. You can just see a different attitude and mentality with the Broncos under Tebow as oppose to Orton. 

    I thought they should have started Tebow all season. Even if he isn't "your guy"(Fox's/Elways draft choice) I still think you should play him if the organization spent a 1st round pick on him. 

    But let's not confuse Tebow being on a winning team and Tebow leading his team to victory. Like I said before, Trent Dilfer is a Super Bowl winning QB. But I wouldn't say Trent Dilfer led his team to a Super Bowl. Ray Lewis and the Defense did that. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    Some people love to focus on how Tebow hasn’t beaten any good teams while failing to mention that Tebow plays on a shit team.  With the way some people act you would think Tebow took over an offense loaded with talent.

    I mean seriously: what offensive weapons does this kid have to use?

    Hell, during his last win Denver lost their top 2 running backs in the first quarter.

     


    I'm not of the belief that there are "bad wins" in the NFL. I.E. beating a few shitty teams does not discount what someone does.

    I am of the belief that a really good, quality defense can overshadow an average to below average offense. I'm not knocking Tebow because he completed only 2 passes against the Chiefs. 

    I'm just not ready to call the kid a winner yet after 4 games this season and 2 or 3 last season. The potential is there for him to be a real winner and leader. You can just see a different attitude and mentality with the Broncos under Tebow as oppose to Orton. 

    I thought they should have started Tebow all season. Even if he isn't "your guy"(Fox's/Elways draft choice) I still think you should play him if the organization spent a 1st round pick on him. 

    But let's not confuse Tebow being on a winning team and Tebow leading his team to victory. Like I said before, Trent Dilfer is a Super Bowl winning QB. But I wouldn't say Trent Dilfer led his team to a Super Bowl. Ray Lewis and the Defense did that. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2011 - 3:42 PM ET #78

    Dilfer was backed by one of the best defenses in NFL history.

    Tebow is backed by a defense that is ranked 29th in the NFL this season.

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    Dilfer was backed by one of the best defenses in NFL history.

    Tebow is backed by a defense that is ranked 29th in the NFL this season.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 1:09 AM ET #79

    Tebow has also guided his offense to more than 20 points once this season. 

    Like I said, let's give this thing for than 4 games to see how it plays out. 

    I actually believe he can be a productive NFL QB. 
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    Tebow has also guided his offense to more than 20 points once this season. 

    Like I said, let's give this thing for than 4 games to see how it plays out. 

    I actually believe he can be a productive NFL QB. 
     
    StraightShooter
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 1:26 AM ET #80

    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:

    Tebow has also guided his offense to more than 20 points once this season. 

    Like I said, let's give this thing for than 4 games to see how it plays out. 

    I actually believe he can be a productive NFL QB. 

    Agreed, I’m just not sure why you are acting like Denver has a “really good, quality defense” that is backing Tebow when the fact of the matter is they are ranked 29th in the NFL.

    Also if Denver went 0-4 in Tebow’s starts you can bet your ass all the Tebow haters would be blaming it all on him (whether it was his fault or not). 

    Yet these same people refuse to give Tebow any credit when he leads a shit team to victory on the road 3 times in a row.  

    So in a nutshell: if Tebow fails its 100% on him and if Tebow succeeds its 100% due to other people.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:

    Tebow has also guided his offense to more than 20 points once this season. 

    Like I said, let's give this thing for than 4 games to see how it plays out. 

    I actually believe he can be a productive NFL QB. 

    Agreed, I’m just not sure why you are acting like Denver has a “really good, quality defense” that is backing Tebow when the fact of the matter is they are ranked 29th in the NFL.

    Also if Denver went 0-4 in Tebow’s starts you can bet your ass all the Tebow haters would be blaming it all on him (whether it was his fault or not). 

    Yet these same people refuse to give Tebow any credit when he leads a shit team to victory on the road 3 times in a row.  

    So in a nutshell: if Tebow fails its 100% on him and if Tebow succeeds its 100% due to other people.

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 1:36 AM ET #81

    the 3 wins vs who? all suck ass team

    fuck tebow

    hes not a nfl qb.

    its an experiment right now

    this is the nfl, expect teams who shouldnt win, win.

    8 passes in the last game?

    denver offense is like a 6th grade team


    kansas city sucks

    oakland is not that good.

    got beat 10 to 45 at home vs the lions, lmao

    miami lost the game, another horrible team


    tebow will come back to .500 or below, only 7 more games to go

    jets ... loss

    chargers ... loss 

    at minnesota  ... loss 

    chicago ... loss 

    new england  ... loss

    at buffalo ... losss

    kansas city ... (maybe a win)

    so 6 losses to come, maybe 1 win ... 

    4 - 7 as a starter, 7 weeks from now



    tebow zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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    the 3 wins vs who? all suck ass team

    fuck tebow

    hes not a nfl qb.

    its an experiment right now

    this is the nfl, expect teams who shouldnt win, win.

    8 passes in the last game?

    denver offense is like a 6th grade team


    kansas city sucks

    oakland is not that good.

    got beat 10 to 45 at home vs the lions, lmao

    miami lost the game, another horrible team


    tebow will come back to .500 or below, only 7 more games to go

    jets ... loss

    chargers ... loss 

    at minnesota  ... loss 

    chicago ... loss 

    new england  ... loss

    at buffalo ... losss

    kansas city ... (maybe a win)

    so 6 losses to come, maybe 1 win ... 

    4 - 7 as a starter, 7 weeks from now



    tebow zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 2:10 AM ET #82

    quote random interent site "Tim Tebows girlfriend is stacked"  It's all coming together now.
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    quote random interent site "Tim Tebows girlfriend is stacked"  It's all coming together now.
     
    StraightShooter
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 9:29 AM ET #83

    Quote Originally Posted by joemw74:

    the 3 wins vs who? all suck ass team

    fuck tebow

    hes not a nfl qb.

    its an experiment right now

    this is the nfl, expect teams who shouldnt win, win.

    8 passes in the last game?

    denver offense is like a 6th grade team


    kansas city sucks

    oakland is not that good.

    got beat 10 to 45 at home vs the lions, lmao

    miami lost the game, another horrible team


    tebow will come back to .500 or below, only 7 more games to go

    jets ... loss

    chargers ... loss 

    at minnesota  ... loss 

    chicago ... loss 

    new england  ... loss

    at buffalo ... losss

    kansas city ... (maybe a win)

    so 6 losses to come, maybe 1 win ... 

    4 - 7 as a starter, 7 weeks from now



    tebow zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Interesting how you completely omit the fact that Tebow plays on a suck team with almost no offensive weapons and a defense that ranks 29th in the NFL.

    The fact of the matter is Tebow lead a terrible 1-4 team to 3 straight road wins.  I don’t care who they played, that is impressive.

    Also as a starter this season Tebow has a TD/turnover ratio of 9:1.

    Besides Aaron Rodgers I don’t think there is a starting NFL QB with a better ratio this season.  If there is, please post him.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by joemw74:

    the 3 wins vs who? all suck ass team

    fuck tebow

    hes not a nfl qb.

    its an experiment right now

    this is the nfl, expect teams who shouldnt win, win.

    8 passes in the last game?

    denver offense is like a 6th grade team


    kansas city sucks

    oakland is not that good.

    got beat 10 to 45 at home vs the lions, lmao

    miami lost the game, another horrible team


    tebow will come back to .500 or below, only 7 more games to go

    jets ... loss

    chargers ... loss 

    at minnesota  ... loss 

    chicago ... loss 

    new england  ... loss

    at buffalo ... losss

    kansas city ... (maybe a win)

    so 6 losses to come, maybe 1 win ... 

    4 - 7 as a starter, 7 weeks from now



    tebow zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Interesting how you completely omit the fact that Tebow plays on a suck team with almost no offensive weapons and a defense that ranks 29th in the NFL.

    The fact of the matter is Tebow lead a terrible 1-4 team to 3 straight road wins.  I don’t care who they played, that is impressive.

    Also as a starter this season Tebow has a TD/turnover ratio of 9:1.

    Besides Aaron Rodgers I don’t think there is a starting NFL QB with a better ratio this season.  If there is, please post him.

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 10:12 AM ET #84

    wow he completed a whole 2 passes.. every qb on a nfl,cfl,ufl roster could have done the same and more i'm sure.

     

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    wow he completed a whole 2 passes.. every qb on a nfl,cfl,ufl roster could have done the same and more i'm sure.

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 10:40 AM ET #85

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonBay:

    wow he completed a whole 2 passes.. every qb on a nfl,cfl,ufl roster could have done the same and more i'm sure.

     

    Does every NFL QB have a TD/turnover ratio of 9:1 or better?

    Besides Aaron Rodgers this season, post another one.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonBay:

    wow he completed a whole 2 passes.. every qb on a nfl,cfl,ufl roster could have done the same and more i'm sure.

     

    Does every NFL QB have a TD/turnover ratio of 9:1 or better?

    Besides Aaron Rodgers this season, post another one.

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 11:06 AM ET #86

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    Yeah, his passing stats are pretty bad, but it’s still impressive to take over as the starting QB of a 1-4 team and then have a 3-1 record.

    Tebow haters =

    i agree that is impressive. I think tebow is a good role model and he seems like a good guy but i just think the wheels are going to come off soon, his team is really bad. They dont have a lot of weapons on this team. I still dont think tebow is going to be a first string QB in this league in a couple years, maybe even next year..

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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    Yeah, his passing stats are pretty bad, but it’s still impressive to take over as the starting QB of a 1-4 team and then have a 3-1 record.

    Tebow haters =

    i agree that is impressive. I think tebow is a good role model and he seems like a good guy but i just think the wheels are going to come off soon, his team is really bad. They dont have a lot of weapons on this team. I still dont think tebow is going to be a first string QB in this league in a couple years, maybe even next year..

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 11:07 AM ET #87

    again, im not a hater, i will agree that tebow has done amazing getting them to 3-1 with him at the helm considering how shitty denver is...

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    again, im not a hater, i will agree that tebow has done amazing getting them to 3-1 with him at the helm considering how shitty denver is...

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 11:13 AM ET #88

    any qb completing less than 45% of his passes? name another one..

     

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    any qb completing less than 45% of his passes? name another one..

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 11:19 AM ET #89

    Teblow

    what a joke 2 completed passes. I'd hate to be a WR on for him !!
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    what a joke 2 completed passes. I'd hate to be a WR on for him !!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 11:20 AM ET #90

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    Agreed, I’m just not sure why you are acting like Denver has a “really good, quality defense” that is backing Tebow when the fact of the matter is they are ranked 29th in the NFL.

    Also if Denver went 0-4 in Tebow’s starts you can bet your ass all the Tebow haters would be blaming it all on him (whether it was his fault or not). 

    Yet these same people refuse to give Tebow any credit when he leads a shit team to victory on the road 3 times in a row.  

    So in a nutshell: if Tebow fails its 100% on him and if Tebow succeeds its 100% due to other people.

     


    I just said that a good, quality defense can overshadow an average offense. I didn't say Denver had one. Although they have put up quality efforts in two of Tebows wins. 

    If Tebow was losing games 45-38 I would still be giving him credit for his performance. Clearly that would be the defenses fault. 

    I give him credit for winning under John Fox as well. I think that guy is a moron. I think if Tebow was able to learn under a quality coach in a stable in environment where there wasn't so much turnover in staff so far in his career he would be much further along. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    Agreed, I’m just not sure why you are acting like Denver has a “really good, quality defense” that is backing Tebow when the fact of the matter is they are ranked 29th in the NFL.

    Also if Denver went 0-4 in Tebow’s starts you can bet your ass all the Tebow haters would be blaming it all on him (whether it was his fault or not). 

    Yet these same people refuse to give Tebow any credit when he leads a shit team to victory on the road 3 times in a row.  

    So in a nutshell: if Tebow fails its 100% on him and if Tebow succeeds its 100% due to other people.

     


    I just said that a good, quality defense can overshadow an average offense. I didn't say Denver had one. Although they have put up quality efforts in two of Tebows wins. 

    If Tebow was losing games 45-38 I would still be giving him credit for his performance. Clearly that would be the defenses fault. 

    I give him credit for winning under John Fox as well. I think that guy is a moron. I think if Tebow was able to learn under a quality coach in a stable in environment where there wasn't so much turnover in staff so far in his career he would be much further along. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 12:06 PM ET #91

    heard  tim tebo  can t lose any more  games den gos to superbowl  and wins ....take den at 400   to  1  to win it all.......YEA  RIGHT  HEIS SO F NN   LUCKY.....JETS POUND HIM SUNDAY  THE LINE SHOULD BE JETS MINUS  12.5
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    heard  tim tebo  can t lose any more  games den gos to superbowl  and wins ....take den at 400   to  1  to win it all.......YEA  RIGHT  HEIS SO F NN   LUCKY.....JETS POUND HIM SUNDAY  THE LINE SHOULD BE JETS MINUS  12.5
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 12:06 PM ET #92

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonBay:

    any qb completing less than 45% of his passes? name another one..

     

    "Does every NFL QB have a TD/turnover ratio of 9:1 or better?

    Besides Aaron Rodgers this season, post another one."

    Still waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonBay:

    any qb completing less than 45% of his passes? name another one..

     

    "Does every NFL QB have a TD/turnover ratio of 9:1 or better?

    Besides Aaron Rodgers this season, post another one."

    Still waiting.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 12:20 PM ET #93

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodogjoe:

    heard  tim tebo  can t lose any more  games den gos to superbowl  and wins ....take den at 400   to  1  to win it all.......YEA  RIGHT  HEIS SO F NN   LUCKY.....JETS POUND HIM SUNDAY  THE LINE SHOULD BE JETS MINUS  12.5

    If you’re going to attempt to talk intelligently about a matchup it might be a good idea to know what day the game is being played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodogjoe:

    heard  tim tebo  can t lose any more  games den gos to superbowl  and wins ....take den at 400   to  1  to win it all.......YEA  RIGHT  HEIS SO F NN   LUCKY.....JETS POUND HIM SUNDAY  THE LINE SHOULD BE JETS MINUS  12.5

    If you’re going to attempt to talk intelligently about a matchup it might be a good idea to know what day the game is being played.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 12:22 PM ET #94

    Quote Originally Posted by Ducati:

    Teblow

    what a joke 2 completed passes. I'd hate to be a WR on for him !!

    His WRs might not like it, but his teammates and especially Denver fans would much rather have a QB that completes 10 passes a game with a TD/TO ratio of 9:1 and just finds ways to win games over a QB that completes about 18 passes a game with a TD/TO ratio of 8:9 and just finds ways to lose games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ducati:

    Teblow

    what a joke 2 completed passes. I'd hate to be a WR on for him !!

    His WRs might not like it, but his teammates and especially Denver fans would much rather have a QB that completes 10 passes a game with a TD/TO ratio of 9:1 and just finds ways to win games over a QB that completes about 18 passes a game with a TD/TO ratio of 8:9 and just finds ways to lose games.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 12:27 PM ET #95

    He's a gimmick QB ! He may have success now but he'll never lead Den to a SB.
    Name me a running QB that has won a SB pls.



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    He's a gimmick QB ! He may have success now but he'll never lead Den to a SB.
    Name me a running QB that has won a SB pls.



     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 12:28 PM ET #96

    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    I just said that a good, quality defense can overshadow an average offense. I didn't say Denver had one. Although they have put up quality efforts in two of Tebows wins. 

    If Tebow was losing games 45-38 I would still be giving him credit for his performance. Clearly that would be the defenses fault. 

    I give him credit for winning under John Fox as well. I think that guy is a moron. I think if Tebow was able to learn under a quality coach in a stable in environment where there wasn't so much turnover in staff so far in his career he would be much further along. 

    It certainly seemed like that’s what you were saying in post #78.

    But I do agree that if Tebow had a decent head coach and a team that was at least average he would be much further along.

    People keep talking about the bad teams Tebow beat while completely failing to mention that Tebow PLAYS ON a bad team.  Hell, they are so bad they were underdogs in all of his games.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    I just said that a good, quality defense can overshadow an average offense. I didn't say Denver had one. Although they have put up quality efforts in two of Tebows wins. 

    If Tebow was losing games 45-38 I would still be giving him credit for his performance. Clearly that would be the defenses fault. 

    I give him credit for winning under John Fox as well. I think that guy is a moron. I think if Tebow was able to learn under a quality coach in a stable in environment where there wasn't so much turnover in staff so far in his career he would be much further along. 

    It certainly seemed like that’s what you were saying in post #78.

    But I do agree that if Tebow had a decent head coach and a team that was at least average he would be much further along.

    People keep talking about the bad teams Tebow beat while completely failing to mention that Tebow PLAYS ON a bad team.  Hell, they are so bad they were underdogs in all of his games.

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 12:42 PM ET #97

    “Tebow will never be a first round pick.”

    “Tebow will never be a starting NFL QB.”

    “Tebow will never win games as an NFL QB.”

    “Tebow may have won a couple of games, but he can’t keep winning.”

    “He may have success now but he’ll never lead Den to a SB.”

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    “Tebow will never be a first round pick.”

    “Tebow will never be a starting NFL QB.”

    “Tebow will never win games as an NFL QB.”

    “Tebow may have won a couple of games, but he can’t keep winning.”

    “He may have success now but he’ll never lead Den to a SB.”

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 1:25 PM ET #98

    I dont hate the kid i actually cheer for him, anybody go around the world and minister in prisons and give all the credit to the lord is a true winner. I hope he does well this season. And i feel like he will beat the jets tomorrow night too. Denver +6 is the play here

     

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    I dont hate the kid i actually cheer for him, anybody go around the world and minister in prisons and give all the credit to the lord is a true winner. I hope he does well this season. And i feel like he will beat the jets tomorrow night too. Denver +6 is the play here

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 1:33 PM ET #99

    Quote Originally Posted by mighty972011:

    I dont hate the kid i actually cheer for him, anybody go around the world and minister in prisons and give all the credit to the lord is a true winner. I hope he does well this season. And i feel like he will beat the jets tomorrow night too. Denver +6 is the play here

     

    Tebow has started 4 games this season all of which Denver was a dog.

    He is 3-1 ATS and 3-1 SU.

    Not a bad bet, IMO.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by mighty972011:

    I dont hate the kid i actually cheer for him, anybody go around the world and minister in prisons and give all the credit to the lord is a true winner. I hope he does well this season. And i feel like he will beat the jets tomorrow night too. Denver +6 is the play here

     

    Tebow has started 4 games this season all of which Denver was a dog.

    He is 3-1 ATS and 3-1 SU.

    Not a bad bet, IMO.

     

     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 1:35 PM ET #100

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyShot:

    again, im not a hater, i will agree that tebow has done amazing getting them to 3-1 with him at the helm considering how shitty denver is...

    That’s the point I’m trying to make.

    I’m not saying Tebow is a good QB or that he is going to have a good career or even that he’ll do well the rest of the reason.  Just that what he has done so far is pretty impressive.  I.E. taking over a bad 1-4 team and going 3-1 (being a dog in all of them) with a 3-0 road record.

    Also having a TD/turnover ratio of 9:1 is, regardless of how he got it, impressive as well.  In fact the only NFL QB with a better ratio than that is Aaron Rodgers.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyShot:

    again, im not a hater, i will agree that tebow has done amazing getting them to 3-1 with him at the helm considering how shitty denver is...

    That’s the point I’m trying to make.

    I’m not saying Tebow is a good QB or that he is going to have a good career or even that he’ll do well the rest of the reason.  Just that what he has done so far is pretty impressive.  I.E. taking over a bad 1-4 team and going 3-1 (being a dog in all of them) with a 3-0 road record.

    Also having a TD/turnover ratio of 9:1 is, regardless of how he got it, impressive as well.  In fact the only NFL QB with a better ratio than that is Aaron Rodgers.

     

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