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    hoody
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2022 - 5:15 PM ET #26

    Have you read personal Foul, How the ref's get more money to travel to another playoff game and stuff like that. I liked that book. Just gives you a little insite on things. but I'm gettingofftopic in this thread.

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    Have you read personal Foul, How the ref's get more money to travel to another playoff game and stuff like that. I liked that book. Just gives you a little insite on things. but I'm gettingofftopic in this thread.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2022 - 5:22 PM ET #27

    @Indigo999

     peace_5

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    @Indigo999

     peace_5

     
    dubz4dummyz
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2022 - 5:26 PM ET #28

    @Indigo999

     

     Well said sorry to get off track lol

     

    Always nice to talk with other knowledable cappers

     

    Like I always say, its a moving target and we should always be adapting as we go along 

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     Well said sorry to get off track lol

     

    Always nice to talk with other knowledable cappers

     

    Like I always say, its a moving target and we should always be adapting as we go along 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2022 - 5:41 PM ET #29

    g)  An away favorite in December that rushes for an average of 30 yards per game more than they allow on the ground, off a win.....48-80 ATS....VERSUS Eagles, 49ers

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    g)  An away favorite in December that rushes for an average of 30 yards per game more than they allow on the ground, off a win.....48-80 ATS....VERSUS Eagles, 49ers

     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2022 - 5:56 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by hoody:

    Have you read personal Foul, How the ref's get more money to travel to another playoff game and stuff like that. I liked that book. Just gives you a little insite on things. but I'm getting in this thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:

    @Indigo999
    Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz:

    @Indigo999    Well said sorry to get off track lol   Always nice to talk with other knowledgable cappers   Like I always say, its a moving target and we should always be adapting as we go along

     

    As long as it is handicapping stuff, it's good, no worries, I understand the whole undercurrent that goes on with pro sports and the fix..... reffing is  about the hardest job out there to get things right, I've done it quite a lot and it is a thankless job and very stressful.   I would think in the future they'll have an eye in the sky that instantaneously will overrule all  wrong calls within 5 seconds.  For those refs, keeping control of the game and having the players respect them are probably more important than getting the calls right.  Even 3 replays a game the commentators who look replays 5-10 times with an ex-ref in the booth still don't agree with the replay officials view of the exact same play.

    And no I haven't read the book.....maybe I'll look into it...haven't read Donaghy's book either.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoody:

    Have you read personal Foul, How the ref's get more money to travel to another playoff game and stuff like that. I liked that book. Just gives you a little insite on things. but I'm getting in this thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:

    @Indigo999
    Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz:

    @Indigo999    Well said sorry to get off track lol   Always nice to talk with other knowledgable cappers   Like I always say, its a moving target and we should always be adapting as we go along

     

    As long as it is handicapping stuff, it's good, no worries, I understand the whole undercurrent that goes on with pro sports and the fix..... reffing is  about the hardest job out there to get things right, I've done it quite a lot and it is a thankless job and very stressful.   I would think in the future they'll have an eye in the sky that instantaneously will overrule all  wrong calls within 5 seconds.  For those refs, keeping control of the game and having the players respect them are probably more important than getting the calls right.  Even 3 replays a game the commentators who look replays 5-10 times with an ex-ref in the booth still don't agree with the replay officials view of the exact same play.

    And no I haven't read the book.....maybe I'll look into it...haven't read Donaghy's book either.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2022 - 6:38 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999:

    Must win......we are saturated with teams' playoff possibilities, and hear all the time how the Lions, Jets, etc., have not to the playoffs in x amount of years. Another handicapper has mentioned this on his site that teams in December in "must-win" situations....to get into the playoffs, to clinch a high playoff seed, etc., playing a team out of the playoff picture cover only 32% of the time. We are at that time of year!   I don't really have a way of quantifying that on my database, but will make note of teams in must-win situations, and even those teams there could be debate if they qualify. The main thrust of this situation is do the opposite of what the media is saying, which is.............. "Team X will be giving supreme effort today needing this game  to qualify for  ___________in the postseason, playing Team Y  that were  were eliminated from playoff contention a couple of weeks ago." You want to be considering Team Y.........trying too hard  against a loose opponent is a thing.  I have heard of handicappers that do nothing else but bet against the media narrative, or media statistics.   Don't follow the herd.....be one of the weird ones.

    I have mentioned several times fading what I call "ZombieGroupThink" - the tendency of many non-analytical sports bettors (which is most of them) to bet based on the first thing that pops into their minds, and "must win teams" certainly appeal to that superficial mindset.  Thanks for the confirmation.

    Good luck with your professional endeavors next season and don't be a stranger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999:

    Must win......we are saturated with teams' playoff possibilities, and hear all the time how the Lions, Jets, etc., have not to the playoffs in x amount of years. Another handicapper has mentioned this on his site that teams in December in "must-win" situations....to get into the playoffs, to clinch a high playoff seed, etc., playing a team out of the playoff picture cover only 32% of the time. We are at that time of year!   I don't really have a way of quantifying that on my database, but will make note of teams in must-win situations, and even those teams there could be debate if they qualify. The main thrust of this situation is do the opposite of what the media is saying, which is.............. "Team X will be giving supreme effort today needing this game  to qualify for  ___________in the postseason, playing Team Y  that were  were eliminated from playoff contention a couple of weeks ago." You want to be considering Team Y.........trying too hard  against a loose opponent is a thing.  I have heard of handicappers that do nothing else but bet against the media narrative, or media statistics.   Don't follow the herd.....be one of the weird ones.

    I have mentioned several times fading what I call "ZombieGroupThink" - the tendency of many non-analytical sports bettors (which is most of them) to bet based on the first thing that pops into their minds, and "must win teams" certainly appeal to that superficial mindset.  Thanks for the confirmation.

    Good luck with your professional endeavors next season and don't be a stranger.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2022 - 12:56 AM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999: Must win......we are saturated with teams' playoff possibilities, and hear all the time how the Lions, Jets, etc., have not to the playoffs in x amount of years. Another handicapper has mentioned this on his site that teams in December in "must-win" situations....to get into the playoffs, to clinch a high playoff seed, etc., playing a team out of the playoff picture cover only 32% of the time. We are at that time of year!   I don't really have a way of quantifying that on my database, but will make note of teams in must-win situations, and even those teams there could be debate if they qualify. The main thrust of this situation is do the opposite of what the media is saying, which is.............. "Team X will be giving supreme effort today needing this game  to qualify for  ___________in the postseason, playing Team Y  that were  were eliminated from playoff contention a couple of weeks ago." You want to be considering Team Y.........trying too hard  against a loose opponent is a thing.  I have heard of handicappers that do nothing else but bet against the media narrative, or media statistics.   Don't follow the herd.....be one of the weird ones. I have mentioned several times fading what I call "ZombieGroupThink" - the tendency of many non-analytical sports bettors (which is most of them) to bet based on the first thing that pops into their minds, and "must win teams" certainly appeal to that superficial mindset.  Thanks for the confirmation. Good luck with your professional endeavors next season and don't be a stranger.

     

    Good synopsis.....we notice so much more now than ever that "the Ravens have won seven straight games on Monday night", and other trends by ESPN and the other media outlets.....it is just filler to fill in the gaps of nothingness that happen in a football game.

    Thanks for the shout-out, I'll be around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999: Must win......we are saturated with teams' playoff possibilities, and hear all the time how the Lions, Jets, etc., have not to the playoffs in x amount of years. Another handicapper has mentioned this on his site that teams in December in "must-win" situations....to get into the playoffs, to clinch a high playoff seed, etc., playing a team out of the playoff picture cover only 32% of the time. We are at that time of year!   I don't really have a way of quantifying that on my database, but will make note of teams in must-win situations, and even those teams there could be debate if they qualify. The main thrust of this situation is do the opposite of what the media is saying, which is.............. "Team X will be giving supreme effort today needing this game  to qualify for  ___________in the postseason, playing Team Y  that were  were eliminated from playoff contention a couple of weeks ago." You want to be considering Team Y.........trying too hard  against a loose opponent is a thing.  I have heard of handicappers that do nothing else but bet against the media narrative, or media statistics.   Don't follow the herd.....be one of the weird ones. I have mentioned several times fading what I call "ZombieGroupThink" - the tendency of many non-analytical sports bettors (which is most of them) to bet based on the first thing that pops into their minds, and "must win teams" certainly appeal to that superficial mindset.  Thanks for the confirmation. Good luck with your professional endeavors next season and don't be a stranger.

     

    Good synopsis.....we notice so much more now than ever that "the Ravens have won seven straight games on Monday night", and other trends by ESPN and the other media outlets.....it is just filler to fill in the gaps of nothingness that happen in a football game.

    Thanks for the shout-out, I'll be around.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2022 - 3:12 AM ET #33

    g)  A non-divisional away favorite in December off of three straight home games.....5-14 ATS..........if this team has won those three home games this moves to 1-7 ATS.......VERSUS Cowboys

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    4)  Jaguars  +4'

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    3)  Falcons +4

    2)  Texans +14

    1)  Cardinals +3, -120

     

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    g)  A non-divisional away favorite in December off of three straight home games.....5-14 ATS..........if this team has won those three home games this moves to 1-7 ATS.......VERSUS Cowboys

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    4)  Jaguars  +4'

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    3)  Falcons +4

    2)  Texans +14

    1)  Cardinals +3, -120

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2022 - 6:51 AM ET #34

    Good luck Indigo.  an_cheers

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    Good luck Indigo.  an_cheers

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2022 - 7:12 AM ET #35

    Indigo if i may, what is the query say about teams play ats on the third away game in a row.  It only happens once a year or twice every 3 or so.  I know its a favorable bet against everytime but maybe you can put in a number perspective for us.  Three roads in 14 days is an impossible task. Thanks in advance 

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    Indigo if i may, what is the query say about teams play ats on the third away game in a row.  It only happens once a year or twice every 3 or so.  I know its a favorable bet against everytime but maybe you can put in a number perspective for us.  Three roads in 14 days is an impossible task. Thanks in advance 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2022 - 7:16 AM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999: Must win......we are saturated with teams' playoff possibilities, and hear all the time how the Lions, Jets, etc., have not to the playoffs in x amount of years. Another handicapper has mentioned this on his site that teams in December in "must-win" situations....to get into the playoffs, to clinch a high playoff seed, etc., playing a team out of the playoff picture cover only 32% of the time. We are at that time of year!   I don't really have a way of quantifying that on my database, but will make note of teams in must-win situations, and even those teams there could be debate if they qualify. The main thrust of this situation is do the opposite of what the media is saying, which is.............. "Team X will be giving supreme effort today needing this game  to qualify for  ___________in the postseason, playing Team Y  that were  were eliminated from playoff contention a couple of weeks ago." You want to be considering Team Y.........trying too hard  against a loose opponent is a thing.  I have heard of handicappers that do nothing else but bet against the media narrative, or media statistics.   Don't follow the herd.....be one of the weird ones. I have mentioned several times fading what I call "ZombieGroupThink" - the tendency of many non-analytical sports bettors (which is most of them) to bet based on the first thing that pops into their minds, and "must win teams" certainly appeal to that superficial mindset.  Thanks for the confirmation. Good luck with your professional endeavors next season and don't be a stranger.

    YUP. Recency bias the bane of unsuccessful punters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999: Must win......we are saturated with teams' playoff possibilities, and hear all the time how the Lions, Jets, etc., have not to the playoffs in x amount of years. Another handicapper has mentioned this on his site that teams in December in "must-win" situations....to get into the playoffs, to clinch a high playoff seed, etc., playing a team out of the playoff picture cover only 32% of the time. We are at that time of year!   I don't really have a way of quantifying that on my database, but will make note of teams in must-win situations, and even those teams there could be debate if they qualify. The main thrust of this situation is do the opposite of what the media is saying, which is.............. "Team X will be giving supreme effort today needing this game  to qualify for  ___________in the postseason, playing Team Y  that were  were eliminated from playoff contention a couple of weeks ago." You want to be considering Team Y.........trying too hard  against a loose opponent is a thing.  I have heard of handicappers that do nothing else but bet against the media narrative, or media statistics.   Don't follow the herd.....be one of the weird ones. I have mentioned several times fading what I call "ZombieGroupThink" - the tendency of many non-analytical sports bettors (which is most of them) to bet based on the first thing that pops into their minds, and "must win teams" certainly appeal to that superficial mindset.  Thanks for the confirmation. Good luck with your professional endeavors next season and don't be a stranger.

    YUP. Recency bias the bane of unsuccessful punters.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2022 - 7:45 AM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by soup-can:

    Indigo if i may, what is the query say about teams play ats on the third away game in a row.  It only happens once a year or twice every 3 or so.  I know its a favorable bet against everytime but maybe you can put in a number perspective for us.  Three roads in 14 days is an impossible task. Thanks in advance

    My query:

    p:A and pp:A and ppp:A

    shows that MIAMI and KC are eligible this week. The numbers really surprise me. ATS: 80-86 and O/U: 84-89.

    Keep in mind I am new to this tool so wait for confirmation from, indigo, hoody or DogBiteWilliam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soup-can:

    Indigo if i may, what is the query say about teams play ats on the third away game in a row.  It only happens once a year or twice every 3 or so.  I know its a favorable bet against everytime but maybe you can put in a number perspective for us.  Three roads in 14 days is an impossible task. Thanks in advance

    My query:

    p:A and pp:A and ppp:A

    shows that MIAMI and KC are eligible this week. The numbers really surprise me. ATS: 80-86 and O/U: 84-89.

    Keep in mind I am new to this tool so wait for confirmation from, indigo, hoody or DogBiteWilliam.

     
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    Upon further review if you only look at games since 2020

    p:A and pp:A and ppp:A and season > 2019

    the ATS is a juicy (8-2) with the OVER (6-3-1). worthy of consideration from my point of view.

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    Upon further review if you only look at games since 2020

    p:A and pp:A and ppp:A and season > 2019

    the ATS is a juicy (8-2) with the OVER (6-3-1). worthy of consideration from my point of view.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    Upon further review if you only look at games since 2020 p:A and pp:A and ppp:A and season > 2019 the ATS is a juicy (8-2) with the OVER (6-3-1). worthy of consideration from my point of view.

    Please DISREGARD everything I posted..newbie confusions

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    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    Upon further review if you only look at games since 2020 p:A and pp:A and ppp:A and season > 2019 the ATS is a juicy (8-2) with the OVER (6-3-1). worthy of consideration from my point of view.

    Please DISREGARD everything I posted..newbie confusions

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo: Upon further review if you only look at games since 2020 p:A and pp:A and ppp:A and season > 2019 the ATS is a juicy (8-2) with the OVER (6-3-1). worthy of consideration from my point of view. Please DISREGARD everything I posted..newbie confusions

    Those posts are relevent for Week 16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo: Upon further review if you only look at games since 2020 p:A and pp:A and ppp:A and season > 2019 the ATS is a juicy (8-2) with the OVER (6-3-1). worthy of consideration from my point of view. Please DISREGARD everything I posted..newbie confusions

    Those posts are relevent for Week 16.

     
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    My apologies to messing up indigo's thread. As I said a newbie should abstain from trying to help out. Covers does not allow

    a delete option for things like this butcher job Anyways I might have it this time ..lol

    p:A and pp:A and A

    ATS: 90-107  ( 45.7% ) The above query is the 4th game AFTER the three AWAY games. Looks to be a good spot for the team

    returning HOME.

    AGAIN SORRY INDIGO.

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    My apologies to messing up indigo's thread. As I said a newbie should abstain from trying to help out. Covers does not allow

    a delete option for things like this butcher job Anyways I might have it this time ..lol

    p:A and pp:A and A

    ATS: 90-107  ( 45.7% ) The above query is the 4th game AFTER the three AWAY games. Looks to be a good spot for the team

    returning HOME.

    AGAIN SORRY INDIGO.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    My apologies to messing up indigo's thread. As I said a newbie should abstain from trying to help out. Covers does not allow a delete option for things like this butcher job Anyways I might have it this time ..lol p:A and pp:A and A ATS: 90-107  ( 45.7% ) The above query is the 4th game AFTER the three AWAY games. Looks to be a good spot for the team returning HOME. AGAIN SORRY INDIGO.

    Well, you're doing ok for just starting out....."HEY ROOKIE, WHERE IS THAT LEMONDADE THAT I ORDERED??!!"

    [Quote: Originally Posted by soup-can]Indigo if i may, what is the query say about teams play ats on the third away game in a row.  It only happens once a year or twice every 3 or so.  I know its a favorable bet against everytime but maybe you can put in a number perspective for us.  Three roads in 14 days is an impossible task. Thanks in advance

    h)  Teams playing their third straight game on the road.....as away dogs 62-77 ATS......as away favorites 28-29 ATS......this becomes worse in December.....22-30 ATS

      1)  Off a win and away favorites have been 6-15 ATS in November/December...3-10  ATS versus a non-divisional foe, in two out of the 13 games did the road team win by over 14 points.....VERSUS Chiefs

      2)  Away divisional dogs in December off a loss have gone 4-8 ATS, 3-4 ATS off two straight away losses,....overall the sample size is very small matching the Dolphins' situation, which is an away  dog over 500 off two straight away losses, 3-0 SUATS......ON Dolphins  

    You may have seen in my first post that the Dolphins fit into another very good situation....however PROBABLY I am avoiding this game this week, unless enlightenment engulfs me towards the weekend.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    My apologies to messing up indigo's thread. As I said a newbie should abstain from trying to help out. Covers does not allow a delete option for things like this butcher job Anyways I might have it this time ..lol p:A and pp:A and A ATS: 90-107  ( 45.7% ) The above query is the 4th game AFTER the three AWAY games. Looks to be a good spot for the team returning HOME. AGAIN SORRY INDIGO.

    Well, you're doing ok for just starting out....."HEY ROOKIE, WHERE IS THAT LEMONDADE THAT I ORDERED??!!"

    [Quote: Originally Posted by soup-can]Indigo if i may, what is the query say about teams play ats on the third away game in a row.  It only happens once a year or twice every 3 or so.  I know its a favorable bet against everytime but maybe you can put in a number perspective for us.  Three roads in 14 days is an impossible task. Thanks in advance

    h)  Teams playing their third straight game on the road.....as away dogs 62-77 ATS......as away favorites 28-29 ATS......this becomes worse in December.....22-30 ATS

      1)  Off a win and away favorites have been 6-15 ATS in November/December...3-10  ATS versus a non-divisional foe, in two out of the 13 games did the road team win by over 14 points.....VERSUS Chiefs

      2)  Away divisional dogs in December off a loss have gone 4-8 ATS, 3-4 ATS off two straight away losses,....overall the sample size is very small matching the Dolphins' situation, which is an away  dog over 500 off two straight away losses, 3-0 SUATS......ON Dolphins  

    You may have seen in my first post that the Dolphins fit into another very good situation....however PROBABLY I am avoiding this game this week, unless enlightenment engulfs me towards the weekend.

     

     
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    @Indigo999

     Picasso, I like it. BOL.

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    @Indigo999

     Picasso, I like it. BOL.

     
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    Both the NFL this season, and it's ugly sister, the NBA, have had home underdogs doing excellent this season after many years (along with MLB) of home dogs being a black hole.  I think that these types of things happen through some kind of energetic change in our universe...the quantum physicists say only 2% of what is going on in our universe is seen.  There have been over 40 research studies, some doctoral thesis studies, which has proved that the stock market because much more volatile during and for a couple of days after a full moon....this happens not only in the USA, but in over 30 stock markets across the globe.

    I have personally had conversations with at least 10 people that have worked in aged care....I always want to ask them, "What happens at your facility when a full moon is occurring?"

    They all have  rolled their eyes and say, "Everyone is aware when it is full moon, the patients become very agitated, and some will pace or become violent."....hence the word lunatic.

    If the moon can affect tides, it certainly can affect human behavior....not many of us (that I know of) track this kind of thing to see if it might make us better handicappers.....we are dealing with athletes that are using central nervous system fine motor skills that wouldn't take much to throw something slightly off kilter.

    I know there are investors that use sunspot activity as a way of having an edge and use the position of the moon and other celestial bodies when deciding to invest.  I just watched a show on a person having a near death experience where the person going through said when she was crossing over, she could see all the stars and planets talking to each other, and vibrating out into the universe.

    Now, you may not resonate (pun intended) with this, but  are you doing to separate yourself from the herd as a handicapper?  What is unique about what you do that gives you insight and an edge?  We are betting not only against the dynastic Las Vegas machine and all of the intellectual insight that their money can buy, but also against some very, very smart people in our betting population.

    Is it, "I have definite feelings about teams".....?  That seems weak to me.  I mentioned this earlier...these are areas that one should consider being great at to making money in the wagering markets.....

    1)  Math.....can you make a better line than what the market is making?  Do you have a special stat that is not readily apparent to the masses that enables you to bet overlays from the superior lines that you are producing?  I have doubts that one can do that  for the NFL, probably because I don't think value betting is a winning concept in the NFL....I'd love to hear that it could be done if someone does it that way.  Hoody does it in the CFL, shows everyone his power ratings and I have seen him have really good seasons with it.  He doesn't tell me how he does with it in the NFL....lol.

    2)  Insight....perhaps you can look at a team and KNOW what is going to happen....really right brained, which is in the realm of artistry and psychic phenomena.  What a skill  that God has given you  if you've got it!  I think most bettors severely overestimate their right brained ability and use that as 90% of their betting methodology.  The question one asks is...."is it working for you?"  Are you one of the 96% that are losing or one of the 4% that is winning?

     

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    Both the NFL this season, and it's ugly sister, the NBA, have had home underdogs doing excellent this season after many years (along with MLB) of home dogs being a black hole.  I think that these types of things happen through some kind of energetic change in our universe...the quantum physicists say only 2% of what is going on in our universe is seen.  There have been over 40 research studies, some doctoral thesis studies, which has proved that the stock market because much more volatile during and for a couple of days after a full moon....this happens not only in the USA, but in over 30 stock markets across the globe.

    I have personally had conversations with at least 10 people that have worked in aged care....I always want to ask them, "What happens at your facility when a full moon is occurring?"

    They all have  rolled their eyes and say, "Everyone is aware when it is full moon, the patients become very agitated, and some will pace or become violent."....hence the word lunatic.

    If the moon can affect tides, it certainly can affect human behavior....not many of us (that I know of) track this kind of thing to see if it might make us better handicappers.....we are dealing with athletes that are using central nervous system fine motor skills that wouldn't take much to throw something slightly off kilter.

    I know there are investors that use sunspot activity as a way of having an edge and use the position of the moon and other celestial bodies when deciding to invest.  I just watched a show on a person having a near death experience where the person going through said when she was crossing over, she could see all the stars and planets talking to each other, and vibrating out into the universe.

    Now, you may not resonate (pun intended) with this, but  are you doing to separate yourself from the herd as a handicapper?  What is unique about what you do that gives you insight and an edge?  We are betting not only against the dynastic Las Vegas machine and all of the intellectual insight that their money can buy, but also against some very, very smart people in our betting population.

    Is it, "I have definite feelings about teams".....?  That seems weak to me.  I mentioned this earlier...these are areas that one should consider being great at to making money in the wagering markets.....

    1)  Math.....can you make a better line than what the market is making?  Do you have a special stat that is not readily apparent to the masses that enables you to bet overlays from the superior lines that you are producing?  I have doubts that one can do that  for the NFL, probably because I don't think value betting is a winning concept in the NFL....I'd love to hear that it could be done if someone does it that way.  Hoody does it in the CFL, shows everyone his power ratings and I have seen him have really good seasons with it.  He doesn't tell me how he does with it in the NFL....lol.

    2)  Insight....perhaps you can look at a team and KNOW what is going to happen....really right brained, which is in the realm of artistry and psychic phenomena.  What a skill  that God has given you  if you've got it!  I think most bettors severely overestimate their right brained ability and use that as 90% of their betting methodology.  The question one asks is...."is it working for you?"  Are you one of the 96% that are losing or one of the 4% that is winning?

     

     
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    3)  Past history....obviously this what I resonate with and we are doing well with it this season.  Mr. Choo has just started out this year and has done very well using this technique, probably too good for my liking....lol.  His picks are not the same as mine, nor would I expect them to be....two people seeing the same thing will have two differing perceptions....we are not robots.  

    4)  Match-ups.....I don't resonate with this at all, however I realize that the majority of cappers perceive this to be relevant.  My counter-argument is...."then why are ex-coaches and players such terrible handicappers?"  Mike Ditka couldn't handicap to save himself, nor can Jimmy Johnson and Joey Galloway is terrible.  There's Michael Strahan, Phil Simms, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Boomer, etc.....let me ask you this...."is there one guy out of all of those ex-players/coaches that you must see what they are picking for this week's games?"   

    5)  Fading public consensus or someone else who you know is very bad at handicapping.  This should be the easiest technique of all, because finding or knowing bad handicappers is not difficult.  However, it is VERY difficult, because it means subduing one's ego and admitting to themselves that they are not proficient and maybe they don't have the will, aptitude or the interest in becoming very good at it.  All great spiritual disciplines start with taming the ego and admitting our frailty and smallness in the universe.  The spiritual sages all say that greatness starts with lowering ourselves and putting others before ourselves, and acknowledging that we are not the most special being in the universe.

     

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    3)  Past history....obviously this what I resonate with and we are doing well with it this season.  Mr. Choo has just started out this year and has done very well using this technique, probably too good for my liking....lol.  His picks are not the same as mine, nor would I expect them to be....two people seeing the same thing will have two differing perceptions....we are not robots.  

    4)  Match-ups.....I don't resonate with this at all, however I realize that the majority of cappers perceive this to be relevant.  My counter-argument is...."then why are ex-coaches and players such terrible handicappers?"  Mike Ditka couldn't handicap to save himself, nor can Jimmy Johnson and Joey Galloway is terrible.  There's Michael Strahan, Phil Simms, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Boomer, etc.....let me ask you this...."is there one guy out of all of those ex-players/coaches that you must see what they are picking for this week's games?"   

    5)  Fading public consensus or someone else who you know is very bad at handicapping.  This should be the easiest technique of all, because finding or knowing bad handicappers is not difficult.  However, it is VERY difficult, because it means subduing one's ego and admitting to themselves that they are not proficient and maybe they don't have the will, aptitude or the interest in becoming very good at it.  All great spiritual disciplines start with taming the ego and admitting our frailty and smallness in the universe.  The spiritual sages all say that greatness starts with lowering ourselves and putting others before ourselves, and acknowledging that we are not the most special being in the universe.

     

     
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    Final plays:

    5)  Titans +3, -115

    ____________________________

    1)  Falcons +4

    2)  Cardinals +3, -120

    3)  Jaguars +4'

    4)  Houston +14

     

    Good fortune to all.

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    Final plays:

    5)  Titans +3, -115

    ____________________________

    1)  Falcons +4

    2)  Cardinals +3, -120

    3)  Jaguars +4'

    4)  Houston +14

     

    Good fortune to all.

     
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    8Bravo.I have been around gamblers/investors for over 55 years and cannot remember a better post than your most recent. There is no doubt that wisdom saturates your opinions and a wonderful book it could be.Let me wish all the best going forward and AGAIN your recent posts were jaw dropping.btw jowchoo is Thai for playboy, given to me by my northern girlfriend, who knows nothing of my southern adventures...lol

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    8Bravo.I have been around gamblers/investors for over 55 years and cannot remember a better post than your most recent. There is no doubt that wisdom saturates your opinions and a wonderful book it could be.Let me wish all the best going forward and AGAIN your recent posts were jaw dropping.btw jowchoo is Thai for playboy, given to me by my northern girlfriend, who knows nothing of my southern adventures...lol

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    8Bravo.I have been around gamblers/investors for over 55 years and cannot remember a better post than your most recent. There is no doubt that wisdom saturates your opinions and a wonderful book it could be.Let me wish all the best going forward and AGAIN your recent posts were jaw dropping.btw jowchoo is Thai for playboy, given to me by my northern girlfriend, who knows nothing of my southern adventures...lol

    Sounds like she may know without knowing the finer details....a knowing within the realm of unknowing as it were,............she may just have a pretty developed right brain, or a crystal ball you don't know about.

    Thanks for your  comments ....my dissertations are not meant to lecture, but to be used as food for thought, as when the student is ready the teacher appears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    8Bravo.I have been around gamblers/investors for over 55 years and cannot remember a better post than your most recent. There is no doubt that wisdom saturates your opinions and a wonderful book it could be.Let me wish all the best going forward and AGAIN your recent posts were jaw dropping.btw jowchoo is Thai for playboy, given to me by my northern girlfriend, who knows nothing of my southern adventures...lol

    Sounds like she may know without knowing the finer details....a knowing within the realm of unknowing as it were,............she may just have a pretty developed right brain, or a crystal ball you don't know about.

    Thanks for your  comments ....my dissertations are not meant to lecture, but to be used as food for thought, as when the student is ready the teacher appears.

     
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    One of the better reads period.  Although, one doesn't need the formulas to know the probable outcome.  The Key or question is, can you Identify the 3 in the 12-3   0r the 3 in 3-12.

    Example.  You have Miami fitting to highly probable formula scenarios.  So, if Miami Fails, It would fail in two very strong ATS %.
    So why?   Meaning, If Miami bucks those two trens and Loses vs the spread, can you specifically explain why that happened?

    Next phase of the development.  

    I will say sir.  You touched on several topics, that after 40 years around the circus, very, very few, talk about those animals.
    Nice to see and read, some experienced knowledge. Goodluck,
    but dont get to married to those numbers, sounds to me like your experience will spot more winners then your formula.

    Hang Loose

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    One of the better reads period.  Although, one doesn't need the formulas to know the probable outcome.  The Key or question is, can you Identify the 3 in the 12-3   0r the 3 in 3-12.

    Example.  You have Miami fitting to highly probable formula scenarios.  So, if Miami Fails, It would fail in two very strong ATS %.
    So why?   Meaning, If Miami bucks those two trens and Loses vs the spread, can you specifically explain why that happened?

    Next phase of the development.  

    I will say sir.  You touched on several topics, that after 40 years around the circus, very, very few, talk about those animals.
    Nice to see and read, some experienced knowledge. Goodluck,
    but dont get to married to those numbers, sounds to me like your experience will spot more winners then your formula.

    Hang Loose

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by yknot:

    One of the better reads period.  Although, one doesn't need the formulas to know the probable outcome.  The Key or question is, can you Identify the 3 in the 12-3   0r the 3 in 3-12.Example.  You have Miami fitting to highly probable formula scenarios.  So, if Miami Fails, It would fail in two very strong ATS %.So why?   Meaning, If Miami bucks those two trens and Loses vs the spread, can you specifically explain why that happened?Next phase of the development.  I will say sir.  You touched on several topics, that after 40 years around the circus, very, very few, talk about those animals.Nice to see and read, some experienced knowledge. Goodluck,but dont get to married to those numbers, sounds to me like your experience will spot more winners then your formula.Hang Loose

     

    Appreciate the comments....those with Leo energy love applause and acknowledgement....peace_5.

    I believe we as an energetic entity....our universe, our earth and ourselves, run towards balance....an example is what happens in our childhood....what is missing as a child is what we most desire as an adult.  We often see those growing up in very impoverished homes become the most wealthy as adults.  The 90 pound weakling or one that is abused becomes either the combat champion or a bodybuilding icon.  We compensate sometimes to the nth degree to overcome what we were saddled with as a child.

    This is often where passions or addictions come into play...from a postive aspect they make us feel whole, or from the negative view they cover a void.  Illnesses come from a body that is imbalanced.  It is a well-known phenomena that a way to cure yourself of terminal illness is to fall in love.

    At one time, I had a machine that would measure the body's energy....there are several out there, mostly German or Russian manufactured, those practitioners that are proficient in that type of machine or often booked months in advance ....I had just bought it and spent quite a bit of money and was itching to get it working.  I had a client, Mrs. Smith, who I knew had a hole in her heart from birth.  

    So, I said, "Mrs. Smith, let's put you on this machine!"  We hooked her up.  Looked at her readings.............and her heart levels were perfect!  

    How deflating!  I thought I had just tossed 12 grand out the window!

    But on a whim, I said to Mr. Smith, "Now, let's put you on this machine."

    HIS HEART LEVELS WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE!

    I learned then that as we consciously or unconsciously  look for balance in our lives, our significant other will balance us.  In further testing I found that what one person was weak at energetically, their partner was reciprocally strong in....the couple's charts fit together like two jigsaw pieces.  

    It also brought to my attention that what one person is bringing into a healthcare practitioner's office is not necessarily their "stuff", but often it was their partner's stuff.  This is an unexplored area of science that will need to be explored in the future.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by yknot:

    One of the better reads period.  Although, one doesn't need the formulas to know the probable outcome.  The Key or question is, can you Identify the 3 in the 12-3   0r the 3 in 3-12.Example.  You have Miami fitting to highly probable formula scenarios.  So, if Miami Fails, It would fail in two very strong ATS %.So why?   Meaning, If Miami bucks those two trens and Loses vs the spread, can you specifically explain why that happened?Next phase of the development.  I will say sir.  You touched on several topics, that after 40 years around the circus, very, very few, talk about those animals.Nice to see and read, some experienced knowledge. Goodluck,but dont get to married to those numbers, sounds to me like your experience will spot more winners then your formula.Hang Loose

     

    Appreciate the comments....those with Leo energy love applause and acknowledgement....peace_5.

    I believe we as an energetic entity....our universe, our earth and ourselves, run towards balance....an example is what happens in our childhood....what is missing as a child is what we most desire as an adult.  We often see those growing up in very impoverished homes become the most wealthy as adults.  The 90 pound weakling or one that is abused becomes either the combat champion or a bodybuilding icon.  We compensate sometimes to the nth degree to overcome what we were saddled with as a child.

    This is often where passions or addictions come into play...from a postive aspect they make us feel whole, or from the negative view they cover a void.  Illnesses come from a body that is imbalanced.  It is a well-known phenomena that a way to cure yourself of terminal illness is to fall in love.

    At one time, I had a machine that would measure the body's energy....there are several out there, mostly German or Russian manufactured, those practitioners that are proficient in that type of machine or often booked months in advance ....I had just bought it and spent quite a bit of money and was itching to get it working.  I had a client, Mrs. Smith, who I knew had a hole in her heart from birth.  

    So, I said, "Mrs. Smith, let's put you on this machine!"  We hooked her up.  Looked at her readings.............and her heart levels were perfect!  

    How deflating!  I thought I had just tossed 12 grand out the window!

    But on a whim, I said to Mr. Smith, "Now, let's put you on this machine."

    HIS HEART LEVELS WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE!

    I learned then that as we consciously or unconsciously  look for balance in our lives, our significant other will balance us.  In further testing I found that what one person was weak at energetically, their partner was reciprocally strong in....the couple's charts fit together like two jigsaw pieces.  

    It also brought to my attention that what one person is bringing into a healthcare practitioner's office is not necessarily their "stuff", but often it was their partner's stuff.  This is an unexplored area of science that will need to be explored in the future.

     

     

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