Well besides the fact that everyone and their mom's uncle is on the Giants, and besides the fact that people pound favorites. It seems that the opening day trend for superbowl champs has finally appeared to the public. Since the NFL has begun showing the defending superbowl champs on thursday, they are undefeated against the spread.. Well where was this trend last year for the colts vs saints game? I think its wayyyy to coincidental that this trend comes out finally.. Don't be a sucker this thursday
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Well besides the fact that everyone and their mom's uncle is on the Giants, and besides the fact that people pound favorites. It seems that the opening day trend for superbowl champs has finally appeared to the public. Since the NFL has begun showing the defending superbowl champs on thursday, they are undefeated against the spread.. Well where was this trend last year for the colts vs saints game? I think its wayyyy to coincidental that this trend comes out finally.. Don't be a sucker this thursday
Betting against something because it has happened too many times, and the other side is "due" is the wrong way to think about it.
I like taking points (especially more than a FG) in this series. Both dogs covered in this series last year, and I think Washington has a good shot to pull out the win SU. Giants strong defensive line masked a weak linebacking corps last year, which got weaker.
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Betting against something because it has happened too many times, and the other side is "due" is the wrong way to think about it.
I like taking points (especially more than a FG) in this series. Both dogs covered in this series last year, and I think Washington has a good shot to pull out the win SU. Giants strong defensive line masked a weak linebacking corps last year, which got weaker.
Like TouchdownJets said, can't look at it that way. I'm on it because I really believe Redskins is a solid team and able to beat the Giants SU. Now with the public all over the Giants, that's even better. But that doesn't mean I'm betting against the public all the time. Only when I think the other underdog can beat them SU. But yeah, Skins to the bank!
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Like TouchdownJets said, can't look at it that way. I'm on it because I really believe Redskins is a solid team and able to beat the Giants SU. Now with the public all over the Giants, that's even better. But that doesn't mean I'm betting against the public all the time. Only when I think the other underdog can beat them SU. But yeah, Skins to the bank!
Setting the line at 3.5 is why everyone thinks the skins have a chance. In reality the skins are in a debacle right now, with a new head coach and all the players bitching to one another. G-men are still a fundamentally sound group running the same ethics they ran last year. G- men will win this game by 7 or more. GL skins backers.
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Setting the line at 3.5 is why everyone thinks the skins have a chance. In reality the skins are in a debacle right now, with a new head coach and all the players bitching to one another. G-men are still a fundamentally sound group running the same ethics they ran last year. G- men will win this game by 7 or more. GL skins backers.
Well besides the fact that everyone and their mom's uncle is on the Giants, and besides the fact that people pound favorites. It seems that the opening day trend for superbowl champs has finally appeared to the public. Since the NFL has begun showing the defending superbowl champs on thursday, they are undefeated against the spread.. Well where was this trend last year for the colts vs saints game? I think its wayyyy to coincidental that this trend comes out finally.. Don't be a sucker this thursday
That's just not true. There are plenty of people who like the Redskins plus the points. I don't really understand why they feel that way, but they do exist. Plenty of them. This is not a heavily one-sided public game, but some Skins backers want to make themselves believe that it is.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rookie_Bookie:
Well besides the fact that everyone and their mom's uncle is on the Giants, and besides the fact that people pound favorites. It seems that the opening day trend for superbowl champs has finally appeared to the public. Since the NFL has begun showing the defending superbowl champs on thursday, they are undefeated against the spread.. Well where was this trend last year for the colts vs saints game? I think its wayyyy to coincidental that this trend comes out finally.. Don't be a sucker this thursday
That's just not true. There are plenty of people who like the Redskins plus the points. I don't really understand why they feel that way, but they do exist. Plenty of them. This is not a heavily one-sided public game, but some Skins backers want to make themselves believe that it is.
Well besides the fact that everyone and their mom's uncle is on the Giants, and besides the fact that people pound favorites. It seems that the opening day trend for superbowl champs has finally appeared to the public. Since the NFL has begun showing the defending superbowl champs on thursday, they are undefeated against the spread.. Well where was this trend last year for the colts vs saints game? I think its wayyyy to coincidental that this trend comes out finally.. Don't be a sucker this thursday
That trend was in the news last year when the Colts opened at home on Thursday night against the Saints. The thing was, though, that most people disregarded the trend because they were in such a hurry to grab the Saints and all those "generous" points. The Colts won the game, 41-10.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rookie_Bookie:
Well besides the fact that everyone and their mom's uncle is on the Giants, and besides the fact that people pound favorites. It seems that the opening day trend for superbowl champs has finally appeared to the public. Since the NFL has begun showing the defending superbowl champs on thursday, they are undefeated against the spread.. Well where was this trend last year for the colts vs saints game? I think its wayyyy to coincidental that this trend comes out finally.. Don't be a sucker this thursday
That trend was in the news last year when the Colts opened at home on Thursday night against the Saints. The thing was, though, that most people disregarded the trend because they were in such a hurry to grab the Saints and all those "generous" points. The Colts won the game, 41-10.
It's no secret Giants are a great Road Team LY and a terrible Home Team LY, wonder if that is their focus this off-season....that is, take priority to win at home? That was the only weakness I saw LY from the Giants.
Also, from what I see, the Giants tend to win when you least expect them to do so. Wonder if tonight is the case. I've been liking Skins +pts for the past month, I expect them to do well this season...but the defending SB champion is not getting any respect when you compare the spread to Colts/Pats in the season opener.
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It's no secret Giants are a great Road Team LY and a terrible Home Team LY, wonder if that is their focus this off-season....that is, take priority to win at home? That was the only weakness I saw LY from the Giants.
Also, from what I see, the Giants tend to win when you least expect them to do so. Wonder if tonight is the case. I've been liking Skins +pts for the past month, I expect them to do well this season...but the defending SB champion is not getting any respect when you compare the spread to Colts/Pats in the season opener.
It's no secret Giants are a great Road Team LY and a terrible Home Team LY, wonder if that is their focus this off-season....that is, take priority to win at home? That was the only weakness I saw LY from the Giants.
Also, from what I see, the Giants tend to win when you least expect them to do so. Wonder if tonight is the case. I've been liking Skins +pts for the past month, I expect them to do well this season...but the defending SB champion is not getting any respect when you compare the spread to Colts/Pats in the season opener.
That is a GREAT point, texancapper, and you might just have put me firmly on the home team tonight. Maybe the Giants feel that for all their success last year (particularly in the postseason, obviously), the memory that still stings is that of frequently getting booed at home, and in no game were they booed more ferociously than in the Sunday night debacle against.......these Redskins! That game dropped them to 9-5 on the season, but it dropped their home record under .500, and was also their 3rd straight loss at Giants Stadium, with all three losses coming by double digits.
Any Super Bowl champion soaks in tons and tons of fan adulation, but here's an unusual situation in which a defending champ, rather than resting on its laurels and perhaps becoming complacent, probably feels like theyowe their fans a great performance on their home field. This could be an incredible intangible that makes all the difference in tonight's home opener.
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Quote Originally Posted by texancapper:
It's no secret Giants are a great Road Team LY and a terrible Home Team LY, wonder if that is their focus this off-season....that is, take priority to win at home? That was the only weakness I saw LY from the Giants.
Also, from what I see, the Giants tend to win when you least expect them to do so. Wonder if tonight is the case. I've been liking Skins +pts for the past month, I expect them to do well this season...but the defending SB champion is not getting any respect when you compare the spread to Colts/Pats in the season opener.
That is a GREAT point, texancapper, and you might just have put me firmly on the home team tonight. Maybe the Giants feel that for all their success last year (particularly in the postseason, obviously), the memory that still stings is that of frequently getting booed at home, and in no game were they booed more ferociously than in the Sunday night debacle against.......these Redskins! That game dropped them to 9-5 on the season, but it dropped their home record under .500, and was also their 3rd straight loss at Giants Stadium, with all three losses coming by double digits.
Any Super Bowl champion soaks in tons and tons of fan adulation, but here's an unusual situation in which a defending champ, rather than resting on its laurels and perhaps becoming complacent, probably feels like theyowe their fans a great performance on their home field. This could be an incredible intangible that makes all the difference in tonight's home opener.
That is a GREAT point, texancapper, and you might just have put me firmly on the home team tonight. Maybe the Giants feel that for all their success last year (particularly in the postseason, obviously), the memory that still stings is that of frequently getting booed at home, and in no game were they booed more ferociously than in the Sunday night debacle against.......these Redskins! That game dropped them to 9-5 on the season, but it dropped their home record under .500, and was also their 3rd straight loss at Giants Stadium, with all three losses coming by double digits.
Any Super Bowl champion soaks in tons and tons of fan adulation, but here's an unusual situation in which a defending champ, rather than resting on its laurels and perhaps becoming complacent, probably feels like theyowe their fans a great performance on their home field. This could be an incredible intangible that makes all the difference in tonight's home opener.
I LOVE IT!!!
Bator....
I love your insight into most things......But i must say....dont you ever just sit back and think that maybe you read into things just a tad bit??
I mean.......It all sounds like what you are saying is how YOU personally would feel if you were a Giants Player....and how YOU would feel towards your own fans.....I too if i was an NFL player would want to give it all for my fans......But I just dont see how you can base your wager on this assumptive BS.......we dont know what these fuckers are feeling......I want cold hard facts.....nut assumptions.........Assumptions make an ASS-of-U-ME.....get the sarcasm???
Look....I know you are a great capper.....as am I.....But i wanna know about the QB that got juiced the night before the game.....or the player who is addicted to coke.....or a guy who just beat the shit out of his woman......a guy in trouble with the law....etc....Especially if that player is pivotal to the teams success....getting the edge on the psyche of a player is a good angle to take......I think them wanting to win at home is always on their mind.....as is the rest of the NFL.........They all want to win for their fans....but when you got someone with some personal issues....or partying it up when they shouldn't be.....that is an angle......because their performance will suffer from it.....cuz at that point if shit is hitting the fan in these players lives....they could give a flying fuck about the fans...........sooooo
with that said.........I dont see anything of that nature going on with the G-men as of yet.....and they are keeping their noses clean as of now......With that said.....I think the Giants ML is the safest bet here tonight.......GL Bator.....I will be following your research with my own this year.......this is why I joined covers....someone always knows more then you do......as long as that KNOW is fact not fiction.......Good luck
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Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:
That is a GREAT point, texancapper, and you might just have put me firmly on the home team tonight. Maybe the Giants feel that for all their success last year (particularly in the postseason, obviously), the memory that still stings is that of frequently getting booed at home, and in no game were they booed more ferociously than in the Sunday night debacle against.......these Redskins! That game dropped them to 9-5 on the season, but it dropped their home record under .500, and was also their 3rd straight loss at Giants Stadium, with all three losses coming by double digits.
Any Super Bowl champion soaks in tons and tons of fan adulation, but here's an unusual situation in which a defending champ, rather than resting on its laurels and perhaps becoming complacent, probably feels like theyowe their fans a great performance on their home field. This could be an incredible intangible that makes all the difference in tonight's home opener.
I LOVE IT!!!
Bator....
I love your insight into most things......But i must say....dont you ever just sit back and think that maybe you read into things just a tad bit??
I mean.......It all sounds like what you are saying is how YOU personally would feel if you were a Giants Player....and how YOU would feel towards your own fans.....I too if i was an NFL player would want to give it all for my fans......But I just dont see how you can base your wager on this assumptive BS.......we dont know what these fuckers are feeling......I want cold hard facts.....nut assumptions.........Assumptions make an ASS-of-U-ME.....get the sarcasm???
Look....I know you are a great capper.....as am I.....But i wanna know about the QB that got juiced the night before the game.....or the player who is addicted to coke.....or a guy who just beat the shit out of his woman......a guy in trouble with the law....etc....Especially if that player is pivotal to the teams success....getting the edge on the psyche of a player is a good angle to take......I think them wanting to win at home is always on their mind.....as is the rest of the NFL.........They all want to win for their fans....but when you got someone with some personal issues....or partying it up when they shouldn't be.....that is an angle......because their performance will suffer from it.....cuz at that point if shit is hitting the fan in these players lives....they could give a flying fuck about the fans...........sooooo
with that said.........I dont see anything of that nature going on with the G-men as of yet.....and they are keeping their noses clean as of now......With that said.....I think the Giants ML is the safest bet here tonight.......GL Bator.....I will be following your research with my own this year.......this is why I joined covers....someone always knows more then you do......as long as that KNOW is fact not fiction.......Good luck
Winning at home has been one of the points coach Tom Coughlin has discussed with his team.
“Quite frankly, our fans deserve us to play better at home,” he said.
Also said on tonight's game...
“No one is giving us respect, and we like that,” said defensive end Justin Tuck, who will replace the retired Michael Strahan at defensive end. “We’re still the quiet team lurking. That’s a perfect sign for me.”
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Winning at home has been one of the points coach Tom Coughlin has discussed with his team.
“Quite frankly, our fans deserve us to play better at home,” he said.
Also said on tonight's game...
“No one is giving us respect, and we like that,” said defensive end Justin Tuck, who will replace the retired Michael Strahan at defensive end. “We’re still the quiet team lurking. That’s a perfect sign for me.”
I might be banking on an assumption that I'm making, but it's an assumption that makes all the sense in the world to me. Have we ever had a defending Super Bowl champion that had a losing home record in their championship season? No. The Giants are the first. The fact that they play their first game of the season at home, in the spotlight of the isolated Thursday night game, against the team that dealt them their most painful home loss of last season is too much ammo for me not to fire. So I'm firing.
And now bushman9 checks in with a quote from Coughlin that backs up my assumption. Thanks, bushman9.
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jlb442,
I might be banking on an assumption that I'm making, but it's an assumption that makes all the sense in the world to me. Have we ever had a defending Super Bowl champion that had a losing home record in their championship season? No. The Giants are the first. The fact that they play their first game of the season at home, in the spotlight of the isolated Thursday night game, against the team that dealt them their most painful home loss of last season is too much ammo for me not to fire. So I'm firing.
And now bushman9 checks in with a quote from Coughlin that backs up my assumption. Thanks, bushman9.
Eli Manning is shit in the reg season, they lost Strahan and Omenyiora is lost for the season. What made the Giants so dangerous was the pass rush. The Giants will suck this year , last year was a fucking fluke . Give me the skins and give me the points.
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Eli Manning is shit in the reg season, they lost Strahan and Omenyiora is lost for the season. What made the Giants so dangerous was the pass rush. The Giants will suck this year , last year was a fucking fluke . Give me the skins and give me the points.
I like(d) the Skins in this tilt, but if I take them, I am betting into this system:
Play on a Week 1 NFL HF of 5 or less if they won 9 or more games in the previous season and their opponent won less than 11. 23-5 L28
Fits the Giants like a glove. Add in the fact they are motivated to improve on their play at the Meadowlands and it just makes the situation a very good one for Giant backers.
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I like(d) the Skins in this tilt, but if I take them, I am betting into this system:
Play on a Week 1 NFL HF of 5 or less if they won 9 or more games in the previous season and their opponent won less than 11. 23-5 L28
Fits the Giants like a glove. Add in the fact they are motivated to improve on their play at the Meadowlands and it just makes the situation a very good one for Giant backers.
That's just not true. There are plenty of people who like the Redskins plus the points. I don't really understand why they feel that way, but they do exist. Plenty of them. This is not a heavily one-sided public game, but some Skins backers want to make themselves believe that it is.
Vegasinsider.com is showing 75% coming in on the Giants spread.. It's safe to say it's a fairly "public" play, no?
My gut has been telling me Giants will crush the skins.. A hated rivalry, the skins upset the Giants in The Meadowlands last year, the Skins have a new system, new staff etc. and Campbell didn't look even close to being on the same page as his receiving corp. If they can't pass the ball successfully, look out. The Giants still feel like they have something to prove as if last year was a fluke (even though they are the favorite).
Giants 34-17 Fade away!
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Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:
That's just not true. There are plenty of people who like the Redskins plus the points. I don't really understand why they feel that way, but they do exist. Plenty of them. This is not a heavily one-sided public game, but some Skins backers want to make themselves believe that it is.
Vegasinsider.com is showing 75% coming in on the Giants spread.. It's safe to say it's a fairly "public" play, no?
My gut has been telling me Giants will crush the skins.. A hated rivalry, the skins upset the Giants in The Meadowlands last year, the Skins have a new system, new staff etc. and Campbell didn't look even close to being on the same page as his receiving corp. If they can't pass the ball successfully, look out. The Giants still feel like they have something to prove as if last year was a fluke (even though they are the favorite).
GMen by 10+, Eli looks a helluva lot more confident than Campbell does, and that will go a long way in tonight's outcome. You will see two teams playing at different speeds on offense imo, and the Giants are definitely going to take this one at home.
I am a skins honk too...
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GMen by 10+, Eli looks a helluva lot more confident than Campbell does, and that will go a long way in tonight's outcome. You will see two teams playing at different speeds on offense imo, and the Giants are definitely going to take this one at home.
One thing i think people are forgetting is how close this team was to missing the playoffs, trading eli (not sure if that was serious or rumored, but he was at least on the hot seat) and firing coughlin. Hey the Giants got hot at the right time and had things go their way en route to the Superbowl. But i feel that team overachieved last year and dont see them continuing their hot playoff play this season with major changes to that D. Are the G men good. Yes. But can i see them finishing 2nd or 3rd in their own division. Most definitely.
Having said all that i am on WAS +4.5 and for many reasons including the anti public play, the Giants defensive woes and overall a drop off from last season.
Regardless it should be a great game and i am pumped for real games again. GL all.
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One thing i think people are forgetting is how close this team was to missing the playoffs, trading eli (not sure if that was serious or rumored, but he was at least on the hot seat) and firing coughlin. Hey the Giants got hot at the right time and had things go their way en route to the Superbowl. But i feel that team overachieved last year and dont see them continuing their hot playoff play this season with major changes to that D. Are the G men good. Yes. But can i see them finishing 2nd or 3rd in their own division. Most definitely.
Having said all that i am on WAS +4.5 and for many reasons including the anti public play, the Giants defensive woes and overall a drop off from last season.
Regardless it should be a great game and i am pumped for real games again. GL all.
Well where was this trend last year for the colts vs saints game? I think its wayyyy to coincidental that this trend comes out finally.. Don't be a sucker this thursday
Don't know what you mean by this. Where was the trend? It was right here and I know many people rode the train. I posted on another site:
2000-01 Ravens Sunday 09/09/01 -9.5 vs. Chi W 17-6, ATS=W
2001-02 Pats Monday 09/09/02 2.5 vs. Pit W 30-14, ATS=W
2002-03 Bucs Monday 09/08/03 3 vs. Phi W 17-0, ATS=W
2003-04 Pats Thursday 09/09/04 -3 vs. Ind W 27-24, ATS=W
2004-05 Pats Thursday 09/08/05 -7.5 vs. Oak W 30-20, ATS=W
2005-06 Steelers Thursday 09/07/06 -1 vs. Mia W 28-17, ATS=W
As you can see, since 2000 (I didn’t check prior) SB champs in their first game of the year have gone 6-0 ATS.
Some other info which I did not confirm: I have read the losing team in the SB has gone 0-9 ATS in their 1st game the following season. I checked the last 3 years, and all teams (Seattle, Philly, Car) have lost ATS in their opening game.
That's what I posted, and lo and behold, Indy covered and Bears did not.
You can do w/ your money what you want, and by no means are the Giants a shoe-in to win/cover.
But this line of thinking has been around a while....
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Quote Originally Posted by Rookie_Bookie:
Well where was this trend last year for the colts vs saints game? I think its wayyyy to coincidental that this trend comes out finally.. Don't be a sucker this thursday
Don't know what you mean by this. Where was the trend? It was right here and I know many people rode the train. I posted on another site:
2000-01 Ravens Sunday 09/09/01 -9.5 vs. Chi W 17-6, ATS=W
2001-02 Pats Monday 09/09/02 2.5 vs. Pit W 30-14, ATS=W
2002-03 Bucs Monday 09/08/03 3 vs. Phi W 17-0, ATS=W
2003-04 Pats Thursday 09/09/04 -3 vs. Ind W 27-24, ATS=W
2004-05 Pats Thursday 09/08/05 -7.5 vs. Oak W 30-20, ATS=W
2005-06 Steelers Thursday 09/07/06 -1 vs. Mia W 28-17, ATS=W
As you can see, since 2000 (I didn’t check prior) SB champs in their first game of the year have gone 6-0 ATS.
Some other info which I did not confirm: I have read the losing team in the SB has gone 0-9 ATS in their 1st game the following season. I checked the last 3 years, and all teams (Seattle, Philly, Car) have lost ATS in their opening game.
That's what I posted, and lo and behold, Indy covered and Bears did not.
You can do w/ your money what you want, and by no means are the Giants a shoe-in to win/cover.
But this line of thinking has been around a while....
im not a real fan of betting trends like that. i feel the giants are the superior team in this one. i think you also have to take in home field advantage on this one. 1st game of the year, national tv, and the 1st game in front of their hometown fans after winning the superbowl. the fans and players for ny will be hyped.
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im not a real fan of betting trends like that. i feel the giants are the superior team in this one. i think you also have to take in home field advantage on this one. 1st game of the year, national tv, and the 1st game in front of their hometown fans after winning the superbowl. the fans and players for ny will be hyped.
Hype and last years success will only last until just after the introductions. Zorn has a very good system, and the G-Men are hurting all over the field.This will be a close game, which is why I'm taking the 4.5 points.
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Hype and last years success will only last until just after the introductions. Zorn has a very good system, and the G-Men are hurting all over the field.This will be a close game, which is why I'm taking the 4.5 points.
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