If I was Gruden..I would pay millions to a private investigator to tail Goddell and his Crownies..to get some dirt on them in their private life...Since what they do in their private lives does not matter and does not afford them that protection..Anything goes...
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If I was Gruden..I would pay millions to a private investigator to tail Goddell and his Crownies..to get some dirt on them in their private life...Since what they do in their private lives does not matter and does not afford them that protection..Anything goes...
Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by dibcompany: Black people calling eachother niggaz is stupid and offensive. They almost make it sound cool in songs. Something's wrong in this culture where they make it cool but villify when others say it. Just don't say it period. Fuck it make it illegal to say it. I want to live in a world where no one says the N word. Most older black Americans have wanted thiat word banished for 70+ years ( one of my uncles used to destroy tapes of late 80's/early 90s rap when we played it ..He called it pipeline to prison genocidal noise ) ... .Dont let it distract you from the fact Gruden made his own poor choices..His consequences are well deserved... What poor choices did Gruden make? He was not employed by the NFL during that time he sent those emails...So sending a personal email was a poor choice? He can say whatever he wants to say on that email and he has the right to express himself...IF it was a poor choice...was it illegal or against the law? Why was he not arrested if it was so bad??? What this does is it sets a precedent..that anything can be dug up against you regardless when u expressed yourself and to who...Its does not matter..Noone has privacy anymore...
You are right he definitely has the right to express himself! What is in the emails is who he is, nothing illegal about that! But it seems to me Gruden is a coward. He preaches courage, strength, integrity and confidence, and he smiles in the face of Black, female, gay personnel while he denigrates them behind their backs, while grinning on t.v. and making no statements expressing his true feeling, and according to Keyshawn Johnson, Gruden would always talk about players behind their backs -- cowardly. He is a dinosaur off the field and as a coach! Not exactly a commitment to excellence!
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Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by dibcompany: Black people calling eachother niggaz is stupid and offensive. They almost make it sound cool in songs. Something's wrong in this culture where they make it cool but villify when others say it. Just don't say it period. Fuck it make it illegal to say it. I want to live in a world where no one says the N word. Most older black Americans have wanted thiat word banished for 70+ years ( one of my uncles used to destroy tapes of late 80's/early 90s rap when we played it ..He called it pipeline to prison genocidal noise ) ... .Dont let it distract you from the fact Gruden made his own poor choices..His consequences are well deserved... What poor choices did Gruden make? He was not employed by the NFL during that time he sent those emails...So sending a personal email was a poor choice? He can say whatever he wants to say on that email and he has the right to express himself...IF it was a poor choice...was it illegal or against the law? Why was he not arrested if it was so bad??? What this does is it sets a precedent..that anything can be dug up against you regardless when u expressed yourself and to who...Its does not matter..Noone has privacy anymore...
You are right he definitely has the right to express himself! What is in the emails is who he is, nothing illegal about that! But it seems to me Gruden is a coward. He preaches courage, strength, integrity and confidence, and he smiles in the face of Black, female, gay personnel while he denigrates them behind their backs, while grinning on t.v. and making no statements expressing his true feeling, and according to Keyshawn Johnson, Gruden would always talk about players behind their backs -- cowardly. He is a dinosaur off the field and as a coach! Not exactly a commitment to excellence!
I am sure we have all said things that we did not mean.. So what you are saying it once something comes out of your mouth in a personal matter and not public there is no turning back and it should and will be held against you your entire life?????
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I am sure we have all said things that we did not mean.. So what you are saying it once something comes out of your mouth in a personal matter and not public there is no turning back and it should and will be held against you your entire life?????
There is thing called probable cause.. So the league was investigating the Redskins organization and their working environment...What does Gruden have to do with the Redskins? All those Gruden emails should have been redacted by investigators as Gruden was not employed by the NFL and had no affiliation with the redskins organization and what they were investigating them for..
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There is thing called probable cause.. So the league was investigating the Redskins organization and their working environment...What does Gruden have to do with the Redskins? All those Gruden emails should have been redacted by investigators as Gruden was not employed by the NFL and had no affiliation with the redskins organization and what they were investigating them for..
There is thing called probable cause.. So the league was investigating the Redskins organization and their working environment...What does Gruden have to do with the Redskins? All those Gruden emails should have been redacted by investigators as Gruden was not employed by the NFL and had no affiliation with the redskins organization and what they were investigating them for..
Kills me to agree with you.
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Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
There is thing called probable cause.. So the league was investigating the Redskins organization and their working environment...What does Gruden have to do with the Redskins? All those Gruden emails should have been redacted by investigators as Gruden was not employed by the NFL and had no affiliation with the redskins organization and what they were investigating them for..
Don't you find it peculiar that Keyshawn finds his voice now to vent his rage? He himself had first hand experience and interactions with Gruden within the football context of player/coach...why didn't Kewshawn vent his rage BEFORE October 11, 2021?
That seems like a fair question for Mr. Throw Me The Damn Ball, wouldn't you agree?
When push comes to shove, 99.999% of humans are cowards...it all depends on the situation, but we all want the easy way out if possible
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Don't you find it peculiar that Keyshawn finds his voice now to vent his rage? He himself had first hand experience and interactions with Gruden within the football context of player/coach...why didn't Kewshawn vent his rage BEFORE October 11, 2021?
That seems like a fair question for Mr. Throw Me The Damn Ball, wouldn't you agree?
When push comes to shove, 99.999% of humans are cowards...it all depends on the situation, but we all want the easy way out if possible
Guessing you are a God fearing Christian who has never uttered a bad word or said something that has offended someone in your entire life. If we all could be as perfect as you.
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Guessing you are a God fearing Christian who has never uttered a bad word or said something that has offended someone in your entire life. If we all could be as perfect as you.
@Raiderpug I am sure we have all said things that we did not mean.. So what you are saying it once something comes out of your mouth in a personal matter and not public there is no turning back and it should and will be held against you your entire life?????
The thing is, he is saying those things because that is who he is. Should it be held against him in the future? That only matter to his friends, family and future boss's. Look he didn't do anything illegal, you have the right in this country to believe whatever you want (we have certainly seen a lot of this lately), I don't even necessarily think he should have been pushed out, (thank god the Raiders can get out of that stupid 10 year contract) but when you bring the heat on your boss (Davis) shit happens. That said, being two-faced is not a quality I look for in friends.
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Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
@Raiderpug I am sure we have all said things that we did not mean.. So what you are saying it once something comes out of your mouth in a personal matter and not public there is no turning back and it should and will be held against you your entire life?????
The thing is, he is saying those things because that is who he is. Should it be held against him in the future? That only matter to his friends, family and future boss's. Look he didn't do anything illegal, you have the right in this country to believe whatever you want (we have certainly seen a lot of this lately), I don't even necessarily think he should have been pushed out, (thank god the Raiders can get out of that stupid 10 year contract) but when you bring the heat on your boss (Davis) shit happens. That said, being two-faced is not a quality I look for in friends.
So the NFLPA is requesting the NFL to release all 650K emails to the public...The NFL is saying we cannot release it as it is a Privacy Matter...Say What???We are only going to leak Jon Gruden's Private Emails..And noone else because noone said anything bad on those 650K emails except Jon Gruden...
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So the NFLPA is requesting the NFL to release all 650K emails to the public...The NFL is saying we cannot release it as it is a Privacy Matter...Say What???We are only going to leak Jon Gruden's Private Emails..And noone else because noone said anything bad on those 650K emails except Jon Gruden...
@DoubleUp4Life Guessing you are a God fearing Christian who has never uttered a bad word or said something that has offended someone in your entire life. If we all could be as perfect as you.
This is Not about me
I'm not, nor have I ever been in a position of leadership (making Millions) or for ESPN ( making millions) ...
Don't worry about Gruden , sure his legacy is destroyed , but he has enough money to live comfortably..
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Quote Originally Posted by Raider4life22:
@DoubleUp4Life Guessing you are a God fearing Christian who has never uttered a bad word or said something that has offended someone in your entire life. If we all could be as perfect as you.
This is Not about me
I'm not, nor have I ever been in a position of leadership (making Millions) or for ESPN ( making millions) ...
Don't worry about Gruden , sure his legacy is destroyed , but he has enough money to live comfortably..
So the NFLPA is requesting the NFL to release all 650K emails to the public...The NFL is saying we cannot release it as it is a Privacy Matter...Say What???
I know right. What a joke.
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Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
So the NFLPA is requesting the NFL to release all 650K emails to the public...The NFL is saying we cannot release it as it is a Privacy Matter...Say What???
Quote Originally Posted by davemsh: There is thing called probable cause.. So the league was investigating the Redskins organization and their working environment...What does Gruden have to do with the Redskins? All those Gruden emails should have been redacted by investigators as Gruden was not employed by the NFL and had no affiliation with the redskins organization and what they were investigating them for.. Kills me to agree with you.
Call you boss a ........... and see what he say about probable cause!
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Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:
Quote Originally Posted by davemsh: There is thing called probable cause.. So the league was investigating the Redskins organization and their working environment...What does Gruden have to do with the Redskins? All those Gruden emails should have been redacted by investigators as Gruden was not employed by the NFL and had no affiliation with the redskins organization and what they were investigating them for.. Kills me to agree with you.
Call you boss a ........... and see what he say about probable cause!
Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: Quote Originally Posted by davemsh: There is thing called probable cause.. So the league was investigating the Redskins organization and their working environment...What does Gruden have to do with the Redskins? All those Gruden emails should have been redacted by investigators as Gruden was not employed by the NFL and had no affiliation with the redskins organization and what they were investigating them for.. Kills me to agree with you. Call you boss a ........... and see what he say about probable cause!
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiderpug:
Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: Quote Originally Posted by davemsh: There is thing called probable cause.. So the league was investigating the Redskins organization and their working environment...What does Gruden have to do with the Redskins? All those Gruden emails should have been redacted by investigators as Gruden was not employed by the NFL and had no affiliation with the redskins organization and what they were investigating them for.. Kills me to agree with you. Call you boss a ........... and see what he say about probable cause!
@Raiderpug Don't you find it peculiar that Keyshawn finds his voice now to vent his rage? He himself had first hand experience and interactions with Gruden within the football context of player/coach...why didn't Kewshawn vent his rage BEFORE October 11, 2021? That seems like a fair question for Mr. Throw Me The Damn Ball, wouldn't you agree? When push comes to shove, 99.999% of humans are cowards...it all depends on the situation, but we all want the easy way out if possible
Not peculiar! Keyshawn being a commentator was asked to comment on it, he could either say nothing or tell it as he saw it.
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Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:
@Raiderpug Don't you find it peculiar that Keyshawn finds his voice now to vent his rage? He himself had first hand experience and interactions with Gruden within the football context of player/coach...why didn't Kewshawn vent his rage BEFORE October 11, 2021? That seems like a fair question for Mr. Throw Me The Damn Ball, wouldn't you agree? When push comes to shove, 99.999% of humans are cowards...it all depends on the situation, but we all want the easy way out if possible
Not peculiar! Keyshawn being a commentator was asked to comment on it, he could either say nothing or tell it as he saw it.
Quote Originally Posted by Raider4life22: @DoubleUp4Life Guessing you are a God fearing Christian who has never uttered a bad word or said something that has offended someone in your entire life. If we all could be as perfect as you. This is Not about me I'm not, nor have I ever been in a position of leadership (making Millions) or for ESPN ( making millions) ... Don't worry about Gruden , sure his legacy is destroyed , but he has enough money to live comfortably..
Making millions is what makes what he said wrong? Have you ever used the word Fa….?
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Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:
Quote Originally Posted by Raider4life22: @DoubleUp4Life Guessing you are a God fearing Christian who has never uttered a bad word or said something that has offended someone in your entire life. If we all could be as perfect as you. This is Not about me I'm not, nor have I ever been in a position of leadership (making Millions) or for ESPN ( making millions) ... Don't worry about Gruden , sure his legacy is destroyed , but he has enough money to live comfortably..
Making millions is what makes what he said wrong? Have you ever used the word Fa….?
Quote Originally Posted by Raiderpug: Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: Quote Originally Posted by davemsh: There is thing called probable cause.. So the league was investigating the Redskins organization and their working environment...What does Gruden have to do with the Redskins? All those Gruden emails should have been redacted by investigators as Gruden was not employed by the NFL and had no affiliation with the redskins organization and what they were investigating them for.. Kills me to agree with you. Call you boss a ........... and see what he say about probable cause!
Probable cause only exists in criminal investigations, not you're boss's.
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Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiderpug: Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: Quote Originally Posted by davemsh: There is thing called probable cause.. So the league was investigating the Redskins organization and their working environment...What does Gruden have to do with the Redskins? All those Gruden emails should have been redacted by investigators as Gruden was not employed by the NFL and had no affiliation with the redskins organization and what they were investigating them for.. Kills me to agree with you. Call you boss a ........... and see what he say about probable cause!
Probable cause only exists in criminal investigations, not you're boss's.
You ever worked for a company and had a manager or boss that you hated or did not get along or agree with?..And you talked shiit to a co worker or friend and said..this boss is an Idiot..or a Retard..Or I am going to kick his or her A$$...You are venting in the moment..Do you really mean it? Absolutely not...you are just talking Shiit in the moment...Now if that co worker Snitched on you to your boss and you got fired based on what you said to that co worker...Are you ok with it? and it is what it is right since it came out of your mouth>>>>>..I bet you will be say stuff such as I did not mean it or I was just talking in the moment...Ofcourse you were..
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You ever worked for a company and had a manager or boss that you hated or did not get along or agree with?..And you talked shiit to a co worker or friend and said..this boss is an Idiot..or a Retard..Or I am going to kick his or her A$$...You are venting in the moment..Do you really mean it? Absolutely not...you are just talking Shiit in the moment...Now if that co worker Snitched on you to your boss and you got fired based on what you said to that co worker...Are you ok with it? and it is what it is right since it came out of your mouth>>>>>..I bet you will be say stuff such as I did not mean it or I was just talking in the moment...Ofcourse you were..
Oh god.. For things said years ago? You soft. Stop it. Guaranteee you've said some things along those lines at one point in your life, give me a break.
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Oh god.. For things said years ago? You soft. Stop it. Guaranteee you've said some things along those lines at one point in your life, give me a break.
How do you guys feel about Snoop and Eminem performing at Superbowl Halftime? I wonder if they have ever said anything racist or homophobic before?
lol this really is the irony of it all..Look at Eminem’s lyrics 10-15 years ago but he’ll be on stage on the biggest game. This is why it’s all a big joke.
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Quote Originally Posted by SourSausage:
How do you guys feel about Snoop and Eminem performing at Superbowl Halftime? I wonder if they have ever said anything racist or homophobic before?
lol this really is the irony of it all..Look at Eminem’s lyrics 10-15 years ago but he’ll be on stage on the biggest game. This is why it’s all a big joke.
@Raiderpug You ever worked for a company and had a manager or boss that you hated or did not get along or agree with?..And you talked shiit to a co worker or friend and said..this boss is an Idiot..or a Retard..Or I am going to kick his or her A$$...You are venting in the moment..Do you really mean it? Absolutely not...you are just talking Shiit in the moment...Now if that co worker Snitched on you to your boss and you got fired based on what you said to that co worker...Are you ok with it? and it is what it is right since it came out of your mouth>>>>>..I bet you will be say stuff such as I did not mean it or I was just talking in the moment...Ofcourse you were..
This is not in the moment stuff, the emails span over 8 years and it not a case of he didn't really mean it, its just who he is.
But to answer, I haven't worked for someone else for over 25 years, but I am a boss and I wouldn't what any of my employees hating me or not getting along, when employees have a problem, my door is open, let's fix it or move on.
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Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
@Raiderpug You ever worked for a company and had a manager or boss that you hated or did not get along or agree with?..And you talked shiit to a co worker or friend and said..this boss is an Idiot..or a Retard..Or I am going to kick his or her A$$...You are venting in the moment..Do you really mean it? Absolutely not...you are just talking Shiit in the moment...Now if that co worker Snitched on you to your boss and you got fired based on what you said to that co worker...Are you ok with it? and it is what it is right since it came out of your mouth>>>>>..I bet you will be say stuff such as I did not mean it or I was just talking in the moment...Ofcourse you were..
This is not in the moment stuff, the emails span over 8 years and it not a case of he didn't really mean it, its just who he is.
But to answer, I haven't worked for someone else for over 25 years, but I am a boss and I wouldn't what any of my employees hating me or not getting along, when employees have a problem, my door is open, let's fix it or move on.
Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals: Quote Originally Posted by SourSausage: How do you guys feel about Snoop and Eminem performing at Superbowl Halftime? I wonder if they have ever said anything racist or homophobic before? I like beastie boys,, I hate those two. Does that make me racist? Lol who knows? Probably Love the beastie boys , saw them in concert in 87 with Run dmc ..Still have the ticket ( August 17th at MSG ) ...My WW2 Vet poppa took 5 of us kids to NYC for the week that summer ..No idea how he had the patience for us bad arse kids on that trip
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Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:
Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals: Quote Originally Posted by SourSausage: How do you guys feel about Snoop and Eminem performing at Superbowl Halftime? I wonder if they have ever said anything racist or homophobic before? I like beastie boys,, I hate those two. Does that make me racist? Lol who knows? Probably Love the beastie boys , saw them in concert in 87 with Run dmc ..Still have the ticket ( August 17th at MSG ) ...My WW2 Vet poppa took 5 of us kids to NYC for the week that summer ..No idea how he had the patience for us bad arse kids on that trip
N cmver saw them. Just Siouxsie and the Banshees in 86
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