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    NFL warns teams could forfeit games, lose money if Covid outbreaks occur among unvaccinated players.

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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2021 - 12:01 PM ET #1

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/22/nfl-warns-teams-could-forfeit-games-if-covid-outbreaks-occur-among-unvaccinated-players.html?utm_content=Main&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1627044219

    How will this effect sports betting?

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    How will this effect sports betting?

     
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    unless there's an outbreak, not sure it matters

    if there is, wait until close to gametime, unless you want to gamble or guess on who's out

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    unless there's an outbreak, not sure it matters

    if there is, wait until close to gametime, unless you want to gamble or guess on who's out

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2021 - 12:37 PM ET #3

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     I think it could mess with the over/under regular season wins bets and might push a few parlay legs.

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     I think it could mess with the over/under regular season wins bets and might push a few parlay legs.

     
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    They should expand the practice squad rosters ..

    All the players should get vaccinated 

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    They should expand the practice squad rosters ..

    All the players should get vaccinated 

     
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     ok.  personally i doubt it has a major effect.  a lot of guys are vaccinated now.

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     ok.  personally i doubt it has a major effect.  a lot of guys are vaccinated now.

     
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     Aren't vaccinated people still catching it though?

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     Aren't vaccinated people still catching it though?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by budwiser:

    @Enzyme13  ok.  personally i doubt it has a major effect.  a lot of guys are vaccinated now.

    2020/2021 could have been just a dry run...2022 may be a cluster phuc of many more lab made variants...if this turns out to be true, then the worst is infront of us, not behind us an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by budwiser:

    @Enzyme13  ok.  personally i doubt it has a major effect.  a lot of guys are vaccinated now.

    2020/2021 could have been just a dry run...2022 may be a cluster phuc of many more lab made variants...if this turns out to be true, then the worst is infront of us, not behind us an_light

     
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     yeah the "delta" is just politically correct for the Indian variant.  It's not as deadly though

    If you want to play it, you can check the team vaccination percentages.  WFT Colts some other team (forget) have around only 50% vaccinated.

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     yeah the "delta" is just politically correct for the Indian variant.  It's not as deadly though

    If you want to play it, you can check the team vaccination percentages.  WFT Colts some other team (forget) have around only 50% vaccinated.

     
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    Without the world achieving herd immunity through vaccination ( 70%+) , I'm deeply concerned the worst is in front of us as the virus keeps mutating. Praying more people get vaccinated immediately,  and the Vaccine holds up againist the variants ..

    Seems nutz to me that people are still hesitant despite 97% of Covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated,  and 99%+ of Covid deaths are unvaccinated...

    Side note , I'd give BUFFALO BILLS  dangerous distraction Cole Beasley a 50/50 chance of getting cut within the next month ..He cant stop tweeting stupidity..

     

     

     

     

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    Without the world achieving herd immunity through vaccination ( 70%+) , I'm deeply concerned the worst is in front of us as the virus keeps mutating. Praying more people get vaccinated immediately,  and the Vaccine holds up againist the variants ..

    Seems nutz to me that people are still hesitant despite 97% of Covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated,  and 99%+ of Covid deaths are unvaccinated...

    Side note , I'd give BUFFALO BILLS  dangerous distraction Cole Beasley a 50/50 chance of getting cut within the next month ..He cant stop tweeting stupidity..

     

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    97% of Covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated,  and 99%+ of Covid deaths are unvaccinated...

    the "99.9 of covid deaths are unvaccinated" is a farce.
    The CDC stopped tracking "breakthrough" cases in May.
    This is when a vaccinated person gets covid.
    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html
    When a vaccinated person gets covid and gets hospitalized or dies, THEY LITERALLY DO NOT COUNT IT.
    This is why the statistics are so different in the UK and Israel, where the breakthrough cases are still counted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    97% of Covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated,  and 99%+ of Covid deaths are unvaccinated...

    the "99.9 of covid deaths are unvaccinated" is a farce.
    The CDC stopped tracking "breakthrough" cases in May.
    This is when a vaccinated person gets covid.
    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html
    When a vaccinated person gets covid and gets hospitalized or dies, THEY LITERALLY DO NOT COUNT IT.
    This is why the statistics are so different in the UK and Israel, where the breakthrough cases are still counted.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzyme13:

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: 97% of Covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated,  and 99%+ of Covid deaths are unvaccinated...the "99.9 of covid deaths are unvaccinated" is a farce.The CDC stopped tracking "breakthrough" cases in May.This is when a vaccinated person gets covid.https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.htmlTHEY LITERALLY DO NOT COUNT IT.This is why the statistics are so different in the UK and Israel, where the breakthrough cases are still counted.

    I've yet to see the 99% flagged for misinformation on social media ...Maybe they will start flagging soon ...

    So the 97% covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated is true then ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzyme13:

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: 97% of Covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated,  and 99%+ of Covid deaths are unvaccinated...the "99.9 of covid deaths are unvaccinated" is a farce.The CDC stopped tracking "breakthrough" cases in May.This is when a vaccinated person gets covid.https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.htmlTHEY LITERALLY DO NOT COUNT IT.This is why the statistics are so different in the UK and Israel, where the breakthrough cases are still counted.

    I've yet to see the 99% flagged for misinformation on social media ...Maybe they will start flagging soon ...

    So the 97% covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated is true then ??

     
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    The 97% figure is also not true for the same reason - they stopped counting 'breakthrough' cases in May.

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

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    The 97% figure is also not true for the same reason - they stopped counting 'breakthrough' cases in May.

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

     
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     I guess you can say that the 99 and 97% figures are true, as long as you acknowledge that these stats omit 'breakthrough' cases.  Which is when a vaccinated person gets covid.

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     I guess you can say that the 99 and 97% figures are true, as long as you acknowledge that these stats omit 'breakthrough' cases.  Which is when a vaccinated person gets covid.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzyme13:

    @DoubleUp4Life  I guess you can say that the 99 and 97% figures are true, as long as you acknowledge that these stats omit 'breakthrough' cases.  Which is when a vaccinated person gets covid.

    When I saw people posting these numbers on social media ( including nurses and other medical professionals) i figured it would be flagged immediately for misinformation ( FB has really cracked down on BS ) ...

    My wife's sister in law  said plenty of vaccinated people test positive,  but she has seen only 2 ( Both over 80 and suffering from dehydration) in the last 3 months that were admitted to her hospital  ( ECMC in Buffalo ) 

     

    As for gambling purposes, I'm glad to be booking bets with Seneca niagara and not some shady local or online site...

    Could see those outlets screwing over bettors by any means necessary when it comes to futures with forfeits

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzyme13:

    @DoubleUp4Life  I guess you can say that the 99 and 97% figures are true, as long as you acknowledge that these stats omit 'breakthrough' cases.  Which is when a vaccinated person gets covid.

    When I saw people posting these numbers on social media ( including nurses and other medical professionals) i figured it would be flagged immediately for misinformation ( FB has really cracked down on BS ) ...

    My wife's sister in law  said plenty of vaccinated people test positive,  but she has seen only 2 ( Both over 80 and suffering from dehydration) in the last 3 months that were admitted to her hospital  ( ECMC in Buffalo ) 

     

    As for gambling purposes, I'm glad to be booking bets with Seneca niagara and not some shady local or online site...

    Could see those outlets screwing over bettors by any means necessary when it comes to futures with forfeits

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

       As for gambling purposes, I'm glad to be booking bets with Seneca niagara and not some shady local or online site... Could see those outlets screwing over bettors by any means necessary when it comes to futures with forfeits

    Agreed.  It will be an interesting season with this wild card in the mix. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

       As for gambling purposes, I'm glad to be booking bets with Seneca niagara and not some shady local or online site... Could see those outlets screwing over bettors by any means necessary when it comes to futures with forfeits

    Agreed.  It will be an interesting season with this wild card in the mix. 

     
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    Why are they testing for Covid in the 1st place???? What is the point of testing???  All professional sports should drop the covid testing BS already...Just because you are an NFL or NBA or MLB athlete, you have to be tested? WHY?  

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    Why are they testing for Covid in the 1st place???? What is the point of testing???  All professional sports should drop the covid testing BS already...Just because you are an NFL or NBA or MLB athlete, you have to be tested? WHY?  

     
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    So lets allow 100% capacity of fans back to normal. Are we testing the fans for covid prior to entry? This is getting ridiculous...The only reason why they were testing last season was because of Social distancing rules to allow them to play in a pandemic where there were restrictions. Now that all the restriction are lifted why TF are players being tested...paint_help

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    So lets allow 100% capacity of fans back to normal. Are we testing the fans for covid prior to entry? This is getting ridiculous...The only reason why they were testing last season was because of Social distancing rules to allow them to play in a pandemic where there were restrictions. Now that all the restriction are lifted why TF are players being tested...paint_help

     
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    Are they testing all the stadium and arena employee workers for Covid couple times a week? 

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    Are they testing all the stadium and arena employee workers for Covid couple times a week? 

     
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    Now Dennison the vikings o line coach has been let go because he refused the vaccine. We won't make it mandatory we'll just fire you if you don't get it lol. This is all about control at this point. The NFL isn't following science. The science says if you're vaccinated it's more likely you will die from an asteroid strike than covid. Also heard immunity is achieved at 70% from the NFL itself they say they have 85% of players/ coaches vaccinated. All about control. If you're vaccinated why care if someone isn't? You're safe that's the whole point

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    Now Dennison the vikings o line coach has been let go because he refused the vaccine. We won't make it mandatory we'll just fire you if you don't get it lol. This is all about control at this point. The NFL isn't following science. The science says if you're vaccinated it's more likely you will die from an asteroid strike than covid. Also heard immunity is achieved at 70% from the NFL itself they say they have 85% of players/ coaches vaccinated. All about control. If you're vaccinated why care if someone isn't? You're safe that's the whole point

     
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    So lets allow 100% capacity of fans back to normal. Are we testing the fans for covid prior to entry? This is getting ridiculous...The only reason why they were testing last season was because of Social distancing rules to allow them to play in a pandemic where there were restrictions. Now that all the restriction are lifted why TF are players being tested...
    Totally agree. This will never end till they get rid of the pcr test

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    So lets allow 100% capacity of fans back to normal. Are we testing the fans for covid prior to entry? This is getting ridiculous...The only reason why they were testing last season was because of Social distancing rules to allow them to play in a pandemic where there were restrictions. Now that all the restriction are lifted why TF are players being tested...
    Totally agree. This will never end till they get rid of the pcr test

     
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    It is almost impossible for a team not take the field on any givin Sunday.

    By Sept. 9th/12 most would agree that at least 80% of players league wide will be fully vaxxed with a few teams in 65-75% range.

    Lets say a team on the low end 75% vaxxed has an outbreak + about half of the unvaxxed players get flagged....thats only about 6 or 7 players along with about 4 or 5 vaxxed players which being tested on Sat.

    So your missing 10 or 11 players.

    The practice squad will contribute at least half of that # taking into account a few of them are flagged also.

    Also there are former Players walking around the streets still young + in shape just cut a few days or weeks before or a year out of football ect. looking for another chance with their agents constantly calling teams.

    I promise you NFL teams/player personal guys are well aware of a list of these guys on the fringes + they have their phone #'s. + have the numbers of players they just released with the promise to them if something like this happens we will bring you back....we hear versions of that ourselves on departure video's of player getting cut on hard knocks ect.

    Not to mention the practice squad policy of plucking players off other squads.

    The NFL is swimming in players/talent that as of the final cuts that are not on final rosters or practice squads + will be chomping to get another chance.

    Teams will have to be lets say creative to fit the prob. 6-10 players on the roster for that 1 week yes but not a huge problem.....worst case they add lets 5 to move forward no problem esp. releasing positive practice players then go plucking off other teams or getting those just cut players i just mentioned..... unless this all happens in 1 fall swoop on a sat. then the screws would be tightened but how likely is that?

    Worst case they will field a team like Balt. did vs Pitt. late year missing about 10 players + were 12 point dogs to a team they should have been 2-3 to but a team will never forfeit even if they have to use that famous old George Allen last statement to his players on the sideline just before the 1972 NFC Championship game at home vs Dallas "JUST REMEMBER THIS....40 MEN TOGETHER CAN'T LOSE OK"

    This appears to be scare tactic by the NFL to unvaxxed players + to push Vaxxed players + coaches to put pressure on them.

    This has no realistic......pretty much Jim Otto 00 chance of ever happening esp. with 80% almost every team by Sept. being tested only 1 time in every 14 days.....those players who get C19 could sail through that time frame between tests + by the time their next test is done it might show up (on the already very inaccurate PCR test if it is ramped up to the mid 30's as it normally is giving off all kinds of false positives #'s) but the cows out of the barn by then even if the test is legit accurate + that vaxxed player only sits out 1 day it appears so no problem going forward for him.

    Sure KC at home in the worst case for them as explained above would be a 6 pt. home underdog to a full Squad of NYG players that day but arrowhead would still be rocking on sunday afternoon.

     

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    It is almost impossible for a team not take the field on any givin Sunday.

    By Sept. 9th/12 most would agree that at least 80% of players league wide will be fully vaxxed with a few teams in 65-75% range.

    Lets say a team on the low end 75% vaxxed has an outbreak + about half of the unvaxxed players get flagged....thats only about 6 or 7 players along with about 4 or 5 vaxxed players which being tested on Sat.

    So your missing 10 or 11 players.

    The practice squad will contribute at least half of that # taking into account a few of them are flagged also.

    Also there are former Players walking around the streets still young + in shape just cut a few days or weeks before or a year out of football ect. looking for another chance with their agents constantly calling teams.

    I promise you NFL teams/player personal guys are well aware of a list of these guys on the fringes + they have their phone #'s. + have the numbers of players they just released with the promise to them if something like this happens we will bring you back....we hear versions of that ourselves on departure video's of player getting cut on hard knocks ect.

    Not to mention the practice squad policy of plucking players off other squads.

    The NFL is swimming in players/talent that as of the final cuts that are not on final rosters or practice squads + will be chomping to get another chance.

    Teams will have to be lets say creative to fit the prob. 6-10 players on the roster for that 1 week yes but not a huge problem.....worst case they add lets 5 to move forward no problem esp. releasing positive practice players then go plucking off other teams or getting those just cut players i just mentioned..... unless this all happens in 1 fall swoop on a sat. then the screws would be tightened but how likely is that?

    Worst case they will field a team like Balt. did vs Pitt. late year missing about 10 players + were 12 point dogs to a team they should have been 2-3 to but a team will never forfeit even if they have to use that famous old George Allen last statement to his players on the sideline just before the 1972 NFC Championship game at home vs Dallas "JUST REMEMBER THIS....40 MEN TOGETHER CAN'T LOSE OK"

    This appears to be scare tactic by the NFL to unvaxxed players + to push Vaxxed players + coaches to put pressure on them.

    This has no realistic......pretty much Jim Otto 00 chance of ever happening esp. with 80% almost every team by Sept. being tested only 1 time in every 14 days.....those players who get C19 could sail through that time frame between tests + by the time their next test is done it might show up (on the already very inaccurate PCR test if it is ramped up to the mid 30's as it normally is giving off all kinds of false positives #'s) but the cows out of the barn by then even if the test is legit accurate + that vaxxed player only sits out 1 day it appears so no problem going forward for him.

    Sure KC at home in the worst case for them as explained above would be a 6 pt. home underdog to a full Squad of NYG players that day but arrowhead would still be rocking on sunday afternoon.

     

     
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    I guess professional  athletes are special and need to be monitored and tested every few days for Covid..Because They are being hospitalized and dying in crazy numbers..Yes the most fit and healthiest immune systems of any person on earth......

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    I guess professional  athletes are special and need to be monitored and tested every few days for Covid..Because They are being hospitalized and dying in crazy numbers..Yes the most fit and healthiest immune systems of any person on earth......

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:

    I guess professional  athletes are special and need to be monitored and tested every few days for Covid..Because They are being hospitalized and dying in crazy numbers..Yes the most fit and healthiest immune systems of any person on earth......

    It's because they are a commodity. A product. No league wants another shut down.

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    I guess professional  athletes are special and need to be monitored and tested every few days for Covid..Because They are being hospitalized and dying in crazy numbers..Yes the most fit and healthiest immune systems of any person on earth......

    It's because they are a commodity. A product. No league wants another shut down.

     
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    Cole Beasley and Eric Clapton have something in common then...a major league mistrust of vaccines, but Clapton's critical thinking kicked in too late to do him any good...no doubt in my mind that Hank Aaron and Marvin Hagler would not get the jab if they had the chance for a do over.

    MSM maintains there is no proof that the two legends died from the vaccine and yet both took it and were dead in a matter of days shortly thereafter. I will let each person decide for themselves if it is mere coincidence or a cover-up.

    For those who lack critical thinking skills they will of course believe anything that they are told. So naive and easily conned that they would gladly sit on their bums at home and collect a check rather than be aware of the game that will eventually bite them in their rear ends. 

    Many others also died or have had debilitating side effects (source:VAERS website) from the vaccines. Of course those stories are hush hush and either not reported or under reported by mainstream media. Low info dopes of course will believe that all is well in the hood when in fact that could not be further from the truth. 

    https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2021-05-17/eric-clapton-astrazeneca-vaccine

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    Cole Beasley and Eric Clapton have something in common then...a major league mistrust of vaccines, but Clapton's critical thinking kicked in too late to do him any good...no doubt in my mind that Hank Aaron and Marvin Hagler would not get the jab if they had the chance for a do over.

    MSM maintains there is no proof that the two legends died from the vaccine and yet both took it and were dead in a matter of days shortly thereafter. I will let each person decide for themselves if it is mere coincidence or a cover-up.

    For those who lack critical thinking skills they will of course believe anything that they are told. So naive and easily conned that they would gladly sit on their bums at home and collect a check rather than be aware of the game that will eventually bite them in their rear ends. 

    Many others also died or have had debilitating side effects (source:VAERS website) from the vaccines. Of course those stories are hush hush and either not reported or under reported by mainstream media. Low info dopes of course will believe that all is well in the hood when in fact that could not be further from the truth. 

    https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2021-05-17/eric-clapton-astrazeneca-vaccine

     
     
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     Majority of Physicians Decline COVID Shots, according to Survey

    https://aapsonline.org/majority-of-physicians-decline-covid-shots-according-to-survey/

    Of the 700 physicians responding to an internet survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), nearly 60 percent said they were not “fully vaccinated” against COVID

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    Of the 700 physicians responding to an internet survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), nearly 60 percent said they were not “fully vaccinated” against COVID

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