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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2023 - 4:24 PM ET #376

    The link below is the number 1 streaming song in America. It is called Justice for All! It is sung by the J6 Choir! Here you go! Great song!

    (97) Justice for All - YouTube

     

     

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    The link below is the number 1 streaming song in America. It is called Justice for All! It is sung by the J6 Choir! Here you go! Great song!

    (97) Justice for All - YouTube

     

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2023 - 3:40 PM ET #377

    I hope everybody enjoyed the Star Bangled Banner inside the link in the previous post. The link below is Ted Nugent playing the National Anthem in front of at least 43,000 people at President Trump's rally in Waco this past Saturday. Enjoy the 1st 9 minutes from today's Alex Jone's Show! Just a very friendly reminder. joe and camala could not draw 25 people on their best day! They did not garner 81M votes. I promise you!

    Alex Jones Show Podcast (gcnlive.com)

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    I hope everybody enjoyed the Star Bangled Banner inside the link in the previous post. The link below is Ted Nugent playing the National Anthem in front of at least 43,000 people at President Trump's rally in Waco this past Saturday. Enjoy the 1st 9 minutes from today's Alex Jone's Show! Just a very friendly reminder. joe and camala could not draw 25 people on their best day! They did not garner 81M votes. I promise you!

    Alex Jones Show Podcast (gcnlive.com)

     
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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2023 - 10:19 PM ET #378

    Ha,ted nugent the coward who shit his pants to try and get out of serving his country,that's even worse then the bone spur baby.Boy you people sure do worship cowards.

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    Ha,ted nugent the coward who shit his pants to try and get out of serving his country,that's even worse then the bone spur baby.Boy you people sure do worship cowards.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2023 - 11:33 PM ET #379

    Uncle ped !

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    Uncle ped !

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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2023 - 11:50 PM ET #380

    The crowd - which the Trump campaign estimated will reach 15,000 - offered some boos when Mr Bragg's name was mentioned, but few seemed all that concerned by the New York investigation.

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    The crowd - which the Trump campaign estimated will reach 15,000 - offered some boos when Mr Bragg's name was mentioned, but few seemed all that concerned by the New York investigation.

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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2023 - 11:52 PM ET #381

    Trump US Tour 2023 Announced:  

    Waco

    Ruby Ridge

    Oklahoma City

    Boston (during Marathon)

    Charlottesville

    Washington D.C.

    Rikers Island

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    Trump US Tour 2023 Announced:  

    Waco

    Ruby Ridge

    Oklahoma City

    Boston (during Marathon)

    Charlottesville

    Washington D.C.

    Rikers Island

     
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    Posted: Mar. 28, 2023 - 12:19 AM ET #382

    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Trump US Tour 2023 Announced:   Waco Ruby Ridge Oklahoma City Boston (during Marathon) Charlottesville Washington D.C. Rikers Island
    They were going to be doing a stop off in Jonestown also,trump had heard there were a lot of bull shit believing cult members and Kool-Aid drinkers there.But then he was told that it wasn't even in the United States so they couldn't vote for him even if they bought his bull shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Trump US Tour 2023 Announced:   Waco Ruby Ridge Oklahoma City Boston (during Marathon) Charlottesville Washington D.C. Rikers Island
    They were going to be doing a stop off in Jonestown also,trump had heard there were a lot of bull shit believing cult members and Kool-Aid drinkers there.But then he was told that it wasn't even in the United States so they couldn't vote for him even if they bought his bull shit.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 28, 2023 - 12:25 AM ET #383

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove: Trump US Tour 2023 Announced:   Waco Ruby Ridge Oklahoma City Boston (during Marathon) Charlottesville Washington D.C. Rikers IslandThey were going to be doing a stop off in Jonestown also,trump had heard there were a lot of bull shit believing cult members and Kool-Aid drinkers there.But then he was told that it wasn't even in the United States so they couldn't vote for him even if they bought his bull shit.
    I live in OKC and I guarantee you these idiots here would welcome him with open arms. Probably right in front of the bombing memorial. These people are sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove: Trump US Tour 2023 Announced:   Waco Ruby Ridge Oklahoma City Boston (during Marathon) Charlottesville Washington D.C. Rikers IslandThey were going to be doing a stop off in Jonestown also,trump had heard there were a lot of bull shit believing cult members and Kool-Aid drinkers there.But then he was told that it wasn't even in the United States so they couldn't vote for him even if they bought his bull shit.
    I live in OKC and I guarantee you these idiots here would welcome him with open arms. Probably right in front of the bombing memorial. These people are sick.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 28, 2023 - 1:33 AM ET #384

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     Ya I would imagine Oklahoma is a pretty red state,and has always been that way.And I could see people voting for republican candidates in some previous presidential elections,I myself have voted for some republicans for president.But how anybody can back this trump POS is beyond me.Especially after seeing him try and have our election results overturned,and have people attack our own country cause he lost the last election,I don't understand how any American can back him.

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     Ya I would imagine Oklahoma is a pretty red state,and has always been that way.And I could see people voting for republican candidates in some previous presidential elections,I myself have voted for some republicans for president.But how anybody can back this trump POS is beyond me.Especially after seeing him try and have our election results overturned,and have people attack our own country cause he lost the last election,I don't understand how any American can back him.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2023 - 2:17 PM ET #385

    Great news! The President of the United States will deliver remarks tomorrow night at 8:15 ET from Mar-A-Lago! I guarantee everybody that the legitimate POTUS can put 2 words together without losing his mind like the current occupant inside the White House. A very sincere thank you from President Donald John Trump follows. I wish each and every member of Covers a truly MAGA Day!

    I want to thank everybody for the tremendous support you have given me against this assault on our Nation. Our once beautiful USA is now a Nation in Decline. Radical Left Thugs & Insurrectionists have taken over our Country, & are rapidly destroying it. They are using the levers of Law Enforcement, and have completely Weaponized the FBI & DOJ to Interfere with, Rigg, and Steal our once SACRED ELECTIONS. We are now living in a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, but we will Come Back & MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

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    Great news! The President of the United States will deliver remarks tomorrow night at 8:15 ET from Mar-A-Lago! I guarantee everybody that the legitimate POTUS can put 2 words together without losing his mind like the current occupant inside the White House. A very sincere thank you from President Donald John Trump follows. I wish each and every member of Covers a truly MAGA Day!

    I want to thank everybody for the tremendous support you have given me against this assault on our Nation. Our once beautiful USA is now a Nation in Decline. Radical Left Thugs & Insurrectionists have taken over our Country, & are rapidly destroying it. They are using the levers of Law Enforcement, and have completely Weaponized the FBI & DOJ to Interfere with, Rigg, and Steal our once SACRED ELECTIONS. We are now living in a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, but we will Come Back & MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2023 - 3:50 PM ET #386

    I heard trump say that “MAGA” now means “My Ass Got Arrested” 

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    I heard trump say that “MAGA” now means “My Ass Got Arrested” 

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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2023 - 6:17 PM ET #387

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    I myself have voted for some republicans for president.

    I am interested in who and which Republicans you have voted for?  
    Did you support any of the many in 2016?

    Do you see any others that you might like to see run in 2024 that you might support? If so, who and why?

    Thanks. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    I myself have voted for some republicans for president.

    I am interested in who and which Republicans you have voted for?  
    Did you support any of the many in 2016?

    Do you see any others that you might like to see run in 2024 that you might support? If so, who and why?

    Thanks. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2023 - 12:06 AM ET #388

    @Raiders22

     I voted for HW Bush in 88 and 92,Dole in 96,George W in 2000,and McCain in 08.I would of voted for Kasich in 16 if he was a serious contender,but after trump was the repub candidate I reluctantly voted for Hillary.Just because I would never vote for trump,and she was the better of 2 evils in my mind.

    I would of liked if Larry Hogan would run in 24,I believe he is a man with some integrity,and I would probably vote for Kasich if he was running,but it don't look like either one of those is gonna happen.

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     I voted for HW Bush in 88 and 92,Dole in 96,George W in 2000,and McCain in 08.I would of voted for Kasich in 16 if he was a serious contender,but after trump was the repub candidate I reluctantly voted for Hillary.Just because I would never vote for trump,and she was the better of 2 evils in my mind.

    I would of liked if Larry Hogan would run in 24,I believe he is a man with some integrity,and I would probably vote for Kasich if he was running,but it don't look like either one of those is gonna happen.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2023 - 11:07 AM ET #389

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     Gotcha.  I understand.  I know a lot of, more or less, Conservatives that refused to vote for Trump, especially the second time around.  But all of them I know stayed home -- they did not vote against their core values by voting for Clinton or Biden; they simply did not vote. 

    I get why people do not like Trump, the person.  But if you have any conservative values at all, I do not think you compromise them completely by voting for the absolute polar opposite out of spite or desperation or even an obligation to just vote.

    Forever, in politics, there has been efforts to drag out someone's dirty laundry.  Trump happens to have never been a politician, so had no reason to keep his private life as clean as a career politician.  He also was not a normal quiet private citizen.  So, it is much easier to dig up dirt on him.  Granted, Trump has made it very easy to do it also.  

    This coupled with his natural 'ability' to say what he feels like and not be all diplomatic and political is polarizing.  Some folks like this because it is not the same old politicians non-speak;  but it is a bit off-putting to a lot of people.

    I get that it is very hard for people to separate a person's political views and deeds from their personal life and attitude, etc.

    But I think a sincere citizen needs to be able to vote for what is best for the country longterm and not entirely on their feelings about the candidate as a person.  This has to be considered.  So, to vote the opposite of what is conservatively best for the country just because you do not like a person or think their baggage is excessive seems to be self-defeating to me.

    Naturally, in this instance, this does not apply to someone that is solely a Leftist.  However, imagine if it was flipped and Biden were perceived the way Trump is and was running against say Romney, even, would the Left go vote for Romney instead of Biden?  I say they would not.

    The Left will always do what they are told on issues and they will always unite and vote for the candidate that is left standing.  The Left will support the pushed agenda.

     

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     Gotcha.  I understand.  I know a lot of, more or less, Conservatives that refused to vote for Trump, especially the second time around.  But all of them I know stayed home -- they did not vote against their core values by voting for Clinton or Biden; they simply did not vote. 

    I get why people do not like Trump, the person.  But if you have any conservative values at all, I do not think you compromise them completely by voting for the absolute polar opposite out of spite or desperation or even an obligation to just vote.

    Forever, in politics, there has been efforts to drag out someone's dirty laundry.  Trump happens to have never been a politician, so had no reason to keep his private life as clean as a career politician.  He also was not a normal quiet private citizen.  So, it is much easier to dig up dirt on him.  Granted, Trump has made it very easy to do it also.  

    This coupled with his natural 'ability' to say what he feels like and not be all diplomatic and political is polarizing.  Some folks like this because it is not the same old politicians non-speak;  but it is a bit off-putting to a lot of people.

    I get that it is very hard for people to separate a person's political views and deeds from their personal life and attitude, etc.

    But I think a sincere citizen needs to be able to vote for what is best for the country longterm and not entirely on their feelings about the candidate as a person.  This has to be considered.  So, to vote the opposite of what is conservatively best for the country just because you do not like a person or think their baggage is excessive seems to be self-defeating to me.

    Naturally, in this instance, this does not apply to someone that is solely a Leftist.  However, imagine if it was flipped and Biden were perceived the way Trump is and was running against say Romney, even, would the Left go vote for Romney instead of Biden?  I say they would not.

    The Left will always do what they are told on issues and they will always unite and vote for the candidate that is left standing.  The Left will support the pushed agenda.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2023 - 11:07 AM ET #390

    The Right will not always unite behind a candidate.  For example:  Romney, McCain and Trump.  They are the same on agenda items.  You can read this on other forums on other sites about the dissension and disagreement in the ranks of the Right on many issues.  The Right is way more likely to 'compromise' on crucial issues, for example, on amnesty, etc.

    I think you see this being very evident in the amount of folks that refuse to consider DeSantis, or someone else, as a candidate; they are Trump-only voters.  Then you have the never-Trump folks and now the never-Trump-again folks.  Many of these folks will not vote in the end.  If the Left were to run Jimmy Carter (at his age and stage in life) or Kamala Harris (as unpopular and ignorant as she is) -- they would still unite behind these candidates better than the Right would unite behind their candidates.  Even though the perceived 'interests' of the country would be better served with the less-palatable candidate.  

    I think to a large degree a voter has to be able to separate their personal feelings about the candidate and their interest in the country longterm.  If it is reasonable.  Unless, say, a Nixon or Madoff were running.  Whether you personally like Trump or not, he furthered a lot of the Right agenda.  If he were really guilty of so many of the things he has been constantly accused of in business or in politics, they would have stuck him long ago.  Like the taxes.  He has way more than one person doing his taxes and he is the exact type of person that gets audited every year.  People may not like the 'loopholes' he used or whatever but that is good business and anyone else does it, or they are ignorant.  This is an example of personal feelings and jealousy.  People are jealous and say rich folks are getting away with things and abusing the system and that is the only way they get rich.

    People have to separate these feelings and vote in the best interest of the country.  Granted, the Right knew this was going to be a problem and should have found a better candidate to run; they did not.  Desantis is not that guy, or it would have shown by now.  He cannot draw enough of the only-Trump guys, nor can he draw enough of the sing vote.

    But, with all of that being said, would you vote for Desantis?  You did not mention him.  If so, why?  If not, why not?

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    The Right will not always unite behind a candidate.  For example:  Romney, McCain and Trump.  They are the same on agenda items.  You can read this on other forums on other sites about the dissension and disagreement in the ranks of the Right on many issues.  The Right is way more likely to 'compromise' on crucial issues, for example, on amnesty, etc.

    I think you see this being very evident in the amount of folks that refuse to consider DeSantis, or someone else, as a candidate; they are Trump-only voters.  Then you have the never-Trump folks and now the never-Trump-again folks.  Many of these folks will not vote in the end.  If the Left were to run Jimmy Carter (at his age and stage in life) or Kamala Harris (as unpopular and ignorant as she is) -- they would still unite behind these candidates better than the Right would unite behind their candidates.  Even though the perceived 'interests' of the country would be better served with the less-palatable candidate.  

    I think to a large degree a voter has to be able to separate their personal feelings about the candidate and their interest in the country longterm.  If it is reasonable.  Unless, say, a Nixon or Madoff were running.  Whether you personally like Trump or not, he furthered a lot of the Right agenda.  If he were really guilty of so many of the things he has been constantly accused of in business or in politics, they would have stuck him long ago.  Like the taxes.  He has way more than one person doing his taxes and he is the exact type of person that gets audited every year.  People may not like the 'loopholes' he used or whatever but that is good business and anyone else does it, or they are ignorant.  This is an example of personal feelings and jealousy.  People are jealous and say rich folks are getting away with things and abusing the system and that is the only way they get rich.

    People have to separate these feelings and vote in the best interest of the country.  Granted, the Right knew this was going to be a problem and should have found a better candidate to run; they did not.  Desantis is not that guy, or it would have shown by now.  He cannot draw enough of the only-Trump guys, nor can he draw enough of the sing vote.

    But, with all of that being said, would you vote for Desantis?  You did not mention him.  If so, why?  If not, why not?

     
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    A very nice 4some last night at Miami UFC. This group has testosterone unlike any group the Left could put together! They are from left to right. Mike Tyson, Kid Rock, President Trump and Dana White! Chants of USA! USA filled the venue after President Trump walked in with Kid Rock. We know what is chanted when joe biden walks in somewhere. The 2nd and 3rd links are video clips from UFC 287 last night in Miami! MAGA!

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    A very nice 4some last night at Miami UFC. This group has testosterone unlike any group the Left could put together! They are from left to right. Mike Tyson, Kid Rock, President Trump and Dana White! Chants of USA! USA filled the venue after President Trump walked in with Kid Rock. We know what is chanted when joe biden walks in somewhere. The 2nd and 3rd links are video clips from UFC 287 last night in Miami! MAGA!

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    MyBookie - Bet With The Best on Twitter: "Donald Trump and Kid Rock have entered the building at UFC 287. ?????? https://t.co/p84RnVRwyS" / Twitter

    Daniel Baldwin on Twitter: "The crowd at #UFC287 ERUPTS when Pres. Donald Trump walks out. Florida is TRUMP COUNTRY. @OANN https://t.co/45suo5ky1Y" / Twitter

     
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    My views don't completely align on all things with either of our political party's.We're talking about trump the guy with all his "conservative values",who just so happened to vote democratic his whole life,that's the "conservative values" your talking about?See that's the problem with trump,he don't have any values.He's just completely full of sh*t,who lies and tells people whatever he thinks they wanna hear.He says he against illegal aliens coming here,but he hires them at his resorts (the exact reasons why they do come here in the 1st place).He says he's all about the American worker,but has all his maga items "Made in China".

    Then you say that "forever in politics there has been efforts to drag out someones dirty laundry.trump happens to have never been a politician so he had no reason to keep his private life as clean as a career politician,and that it's much easier to dig up dirt on him".It's not cause he's never been a politician that it's easy to dig up dirt on him,it's because he's a career liar and a conman.You know the guy who said he was a self made success,and that he was only given a couple million dollar loan from his father,but it turns out he was given almost half a billion dollars from his father.We're talking about a guy who's whole family can't even run a charity,without them stealing from it.A conman who runs a fake university,to grift money from innocent people.The so called billionaire who's always begging for money from people who aren't rich,so he can defend himself and to pay his legal defenses.

    I also think a "sincere citizen" needs to be able to vote for what is best for the country long term".And I think it was best for this country long term or even short term,to never let a complete liar and conman run our country.Then you say "I think a voter has to be able to separate their personal feelings about the candidate and their interest in the country long term.If it's reasonable.Unless,say,a nixon or madoff was running".trump makes nixon look like a choir boy compared to himself,I don't remember nixon ever attacking this country if he didn't get his way,do you?And how did trump further the right agenda?Was it by giving millionaires and billionaires tax breaks,or by increasing the nations deficit?

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    My views don't completely align on all things with either of our political party's.We're talking about trump the guy with all his "conservative values",who just so happened to vote democratic his whole life,that's the "conservative values" your talking about?See that's the problem with trump,he don't have any values.He's just completely full of sh*t,who lies and tells people whatever he thinks they wanna hear.He says he against illegal aliens coming here,but he hires them at his resorts (the exact reasons why they do come here in the 1st place).He says he's all about the American worker,but has all his maga items "Made in China".

    Then you say that "forever in politics there has been efforts to drag out someones dirty laundry.trump happens to have never been a politician so he had no reason to keep his private life as clean as a career politician,and that it's much easier to dig up dirt on him".It's not cause he's never been a politician that it's easy to dig up dirt on him,it's because he's a career liar and a conman.You know the guy who said he was a self made success,and that he was only given a couple million dollar loan from his father,but it turns out he was given almost half a billion dollars from his father.We're talking about a guy who's whole family can't even run a charity,without them stealing from it.A conman who runs a fake university,to grift money from innocent people.The so called billionaire who's always begging for money from people who aren't rich,so he can defend himself and to pay his legal defenses.

    I also think a "sincere citizen" needs to be able to vote for what is best for the country long term".And I think it was best for this country long term or even short term,to never let a complete liar and conman run our country.Then you say "I think a voter has to be able to separate their personal feelings about the candidate and their interest in the country long term.If it's reasonable.Unless,say,a nixon or madoff was running".trump makes nixon look like a choir boy compared to himself,I don't remember nixon ever attacking this country if he didn't get his way,do you?And how did trump further the right agenda?Was it by giving millionaires and billionaires tax breaks,or by increasing the nations deficit?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    A very nice 4some last night at Miami UFC. This group has testosterone unlike any group the Left could put together! They are from left to right. Mike Tyson, Kid Rock, President Trump and Dana White! Chants of USA! USA filled the venue after President Trump walked in with Kid Rock. We know what is chanted when joe biden walks in somewhere. The 2nd and 3rd links are video clips from UFC 287 last night in Miami! MAGA! nfxZU2t1ns3e.jpeg (1179×1359) (patriots.win) MyBookie - Bet With The Best on Twitter: "Donald Trump and Kid Rock have entered the building at UFC 287. ?????? https://t.co/p84RnVRwyS" / Twitter Daniel Baldwin on Twitter: "The crowd at #UFC287 ERUPTS when Pres. Donald Trump walks out. Florida is TRUMP COUNTRY. @OANN https://t.co/45suo5ky1Y" / Twitter
    Ha,two rapists and a guy who slaps his wife,real classy crew sundance.Sounds like your a real big fan of testosterone,to bad your limp *ss can't produce any,doesn't Alex Jones sell some pills for limp d*cks like you?

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    A very nice 4some last night at Miami UFC. This group has testosterone unlike any group the Left could put together! They are from left to right. Mike Tyson, Kid Rock, President Trump and Dana White! Chants of USA! USA filled the venue after President Trump walked in with Kid Rock. We know what is chanted when joe biden walks in somewhere. The 2nd and 3rd links are video clips from UFC 287 last night in Miami! MAGA! nfxZU2t1ns3e.jpeg (1179×1359) (patriots.win) MyBookie - Bet With The Best on Twitter: "Donald Trump and Kid Rock have entered the building at UFC 287. ?????? https://t.co/p84RnVRwyS" / Twitter Daniel Baldwin on Twitter: "The crowd at #UFC287 ERUPTS when Pres. Donald Trump walks out. Florida is TRUMP COUNTRY. @OANN https://t.co/45suo5ky1Y" / Twitter
    Ha,two rapists and a guy who slaps his wife,real classy crew sundance.Sounds like your a real big fan of testosterone,to bad your limp *ss can't produce any,doesn't Alex Jones sell some pills for limp d*cks like you?

     
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     No sir.  By 'conservative values' I am not talking about how Trump voted.  I am not talking about Trump as much there as against Biden or any other Democrat.  You know where Democrats stand and what they will promote if elected.  If a Republican is elected, even one like Trump, you know he will have advisors that will help steer him in a more 'conservative' way that would take the country more in a direction that you would 'value'.

    As has been said about a religion:  you cannot judge a worldview by its abusers.  That is the same thing about a 'conman' or 'career liar'.  My point with the above about this is that you have to be willing to accept this if it is better for the country longterm.  Everyone has personal issues.  Career politicians make a more concerted effort to hide them or not have them than a businessman that for his entire career had no public political ambitions.  Yes, you would have to make sure Trump has better advisors this time around to keep his nonsense in check.

    However, you cannot deny that he got more conservative judges in place, had the economy rolling, made us energy independent, freed up a lot of areas that had been over-regulated, markets doing well, unemployment down, kept us from getting involved with more wars, and reached out to several countries to try to make peace deals and that sort of thing.  This is more what you expect to see from a Conservative and not a Leftist.  True Conservatives know this; the Left try to deny it and tear it apart.  But if you are a true Independent or Conservative you know the truth.

    So, if you are someone that votes for the nicest person and overlooks what is best for the country longterm -- then you would vote for Biden or stay home.

    If you are someone that cannot separate personal characteristics from policy, or think it is more important, I get that.  But do not try to say that you are Independent or Conservative when you do this.  Because this is incorrect if you then go out and vote for one of the most extreme Leftists the USA has ever had run.

    These types of voters, if truly 'concerned Conservatives' should be trying to promote a more likable Conservative.  My question is who would that really be?  Not DeSantis -- the media has almost made him out to be a worse person than Trump.  

     

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     No sir.  By 'conservative values' I am not talking about how Trump voted.  I am not talking about Trump as much there as against Biden or any other Democrat.  You know where Democrats stand and what they will promote if elected.  If a Republican is elected, even one like Trump, you know he will have advisors that will help steer him in a more 'conservative' way that would take the country more in a direction that you would 'value'.

    As has been said about a religion:  you cannot judge a worldview by its abusers.  That is the same thing about a 'conman' or 'career liar'.  My point with the above about this is that you have to be willing to accept this if it is better for the country longterm.  Everyone has personal issues.  Career politicians make a more concerted effort to hide them or not have them than a businessman that for his entire career had no public political ambitions.  Yes, you would have to make sure Trump has better advisors this time around to keep his nonsense in check.

    However, you cannot deny that he got more conservative judges in place, had the economy rolling, made us energy independent, freed up a lot of areas that had been over-regulated, markets doing well, unemployment down, kept us from getting involved with more wars, and reached out to several countries to try to make peace deals and that sort of thing.  This is more what you expect to see from a Conservative and not a Leftist.  True Conservatives know this; the Left try to deny it and tear it apart.  But if you are a true Independent or Conservative you know the truth.

    So, if you are someone that votes for the nicest person and overlooks what is best for the country longterm -- then you would vote for Biden or stay home.

    If you are someone that cannot separate personal characteristics from policy, or think it is more important, I get that.  But do not try to say that you are Independent or Conservative when you do this.  Because this is incorrect if you then go out and vote for one of the most extreme Leftists the USA has ever had run.

    These types of voters, if truly 'concerned Conservatives' should be trying to promote a more likable Conservative.  My question is who would that really be?  Not DeSantis -- the media has almost made him out to be a worse person than Trump.  

     

     
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    Another question I might have is why do pseudo-Conservatives act like morals and personal issues matter to them in a politician more than how they would run the country?  Then go vote for someone that has just as bad, if different, personal issues.

    People have a track record on Trump's policy and how the country did and they now have a track record on Biden's policy and how the country is doing.  If you are a real Independent or Conservative, it has to be hard to continue with the way the country is going now.  Certainly, you would want it to get back to how it was doing before.  If there are no palatable Republicans that can win, the country will only get further away from 'Conservative values'.  And it will not be by default; it will be with the aid of 'Independents' and 'Conservatives".

    So, my third question would be why are you not more willing to vote for Trump the you were in 2016?  Obviously, you have seen the USA take a drastic turn with the Leftist agenda.  You know what Trump will do.  If Trump were so bad they would have had something stick by now.  The Left have tried everything they could think of to take him down.

    With Trump you know what you have and what you will get.  What other Republican candidate can you say that about?  None, they have never been president.

    I really understand what you are saying -- you do NOT like Trump.  I understand that.  But I ask that you reconsider, instead of simply jumping on the Biden bandwagon.  peace_5

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    Another question I might have is why do pseudo-Conservatives act like morals and personal issues matter to them in a politician more than how they would run the country?  Then go vote for someone that has just as bad, if different, personal issues.

    People have a track record on Trump's policy and how the country did and they now have a track record on Biden's policy and how the country is doing.  If you are a real Independent or Conservative, it has to be hard to continue with the way the country is going now.  Certainly, you would want it to get back to how it was doing before.  If there are no palatable Republicans that can win, the country will only get further away from 'Conservative values'.  And it will not be by default; it will be with the aid of 'Independents' and 'Conservatives".

    So, my third question would be why are you not more willing to vote for Trump the you were in 2016?  Obviously, you have seen the USA take a drastic turn with the Leftist agenda.  You know what Trump will do.  If Trump were so bad they would have had something stick by now.  The Left have tried everything they could think of to take him down.

    With Trump you know what you have and what you will get.  What other Republican candidate can you say that about?  None, they have never been president.

    I really understand what you are saying -- you do NOT like Trump.  I understand that.  But I ask that you reconsider, instead of simply jumping on the Biden bandwagon.  peace_5

     
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     I'm sorry Raider,I just spent about an hour writing my whole reply to your posts,and when I went to post it,it says cannot post it cause its over 4000 characters.I wish it would of posted cause it had a lot of good points in it.But there ain't no way I'm writing it all over.So let me try to say this in as little amount of characters as I can.

    I would never vote for trump.I never said I was an "independent or a conservative",I specifically said my views don't align with any 1 party.On some of my views they align with what republican views are,and on some issues they align on what democrats like.I honestly can't believe some voters views do completely align with 1 political party.And as of now I find it very hard to vote for a republican.Because all they do is kiss trumps ass,and they never hold him responsible for anything he does,even when he allows this country to be attacked cause he lost an election.

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     I'm sorry Raider,I just spent about an hour writing my whole reply to your posts,and when I went to post it,it says cannot post it cause its over 4000 characters.I wish it would of posted cause it had a lot of good points in it.But there ain't no way I'm writing it all over.So let me try to say this in as little amount of characters as I can.

    I would never vote for trump.I never said I was an "independent or a conservative",I specifically said my views don't align with any 1 party.On some of my views they align with what republican views are,and on some issues they align on what democrats like.I honestly can't believe some voters views do completely align with 1 political party.And as of now I find it very hard to vote for a republican.Because all they do is kiss trumps ass,and they never hold him responsible for anything he does,even when he allows this country to be attacked cause he lost an election.

     
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     When it does that you can highlight the bottom half or so of the text and copy it then hit delete and then submit it.  Then on the next post you can paste the rest of the bottom half that you copied. peace_5

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     When it does that you can highlight the bottom half or so of the text and copy it then hit delete and then submit it.  Then on the next post you can paste the rest of the bottom half that you copied. peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    @Raiders22  I'm sorry Raider,I just spent about an hour writing my whole reply to your posts,and when I went to post it,it says cannot post it cause its over 4000 characters.I wish it would of posted cause it had a lot of good points in it.But there ain't no way I'm writing it all over.So let me try to say this in as little amount of characters as I can. I would never vote for trump.I never said I was an "independent or a conservative",I specifically said my views don't align with any 1 party.On some of my views they align with what republican views are,and on some issues they align on what democrats like.I honestly can't believe some voters views do completely align with 1 political party.And as of now I find it very hard to vote for a republican.Because all they do is kiss trumps ass,and they never hold him responsible for anything he does,even when he allows this country to be attacked cause he lost an election.

    I was not particularly saying you were Republican.  But, having voted for some Republicans in the past, you apparently align with some of their values.  Therefore, it seems a very safe assumption that you are not aligned with the Far-Left values -- which Biden is and his folks promote that agenda.  I am simply saying if you could find it possible to put aside a personal animus toward Trump and see that he really is better for the country longterm, then you should consider voting for him.  Of course, the ideal situation would be to find an electable Republican that was a likable fellow as well as a good candidate for the country.

    Otherwise, you support Far-Left values wholesale by default, if not outright support.  I think you are not the only close to the middle-of-the-road voters that are 'forced' to vote for one extreme that they do not completely support. peace_5

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    @Raiders22  I'm sorry Raider,I just spent about an hour writing my whole reply to your posts,and when I went to post it,it says cannot post it cause its over 4000 characters.I wish it would of posted cause it had a lot of good points in it.But there ain't no way I'm writing it all over.So let me try to say this in as little amount of characters as I can. I would never vote for trump.I never said I was an "independent or a conservative",I specifically said my views don't align with any 1 party.On some of my views they align with what republican views are,and on some issues they align on what democrats like.I honestly can't believe some voters views do completely align with 1 political party.And as of now I find it very hard to vote for a republican.Because all they do is kiss trumps ass,and they never hold him responsible for anything he does,even when he allows this country to be attacked cause he lost an election.

    I was not particularly saying you were Republican.  But, having voted for some Republicans in the past, you apparently align with some of their values.  Therefore, it seems a very safe assumption that you are not aligned with the Far-Left values -- which Biden is and his folks promote that agenda.  I am simply saying if you could find it possible to put aside a personal animus toward Trump and see that he really is better for the country longterm, then you should consider voting for him.  Of course, the ideal situation would be to find an electable Republican that was a likable fellow as well as a good candidate for the country.

    Otherwise, you support Far-Left values wholesale by default, if not outright support.  I think you are not the only close to the middle-of-the-road voters that are 'forced' to vote for one extreme that they do not completely support. peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @MrWhatsItToYa  When it does that you can highlight the bottom half or so of the text and copy it then hit delete and then submit it.  Then on the next post you can paste the rest of the bottom half that you copied.
    Sh*t I wish I would of known that,as you can probably tell I'm not exactly computer savvy.Oh well,thank you for the information about how to do it if it happens again. 

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    @MrWhatsItToYa  When it does that you can highlight the bottom half or so of the text and copy it then hit delete and then submit it.  Then on the next post you can paste the rest of the bottom half that you copied.
    Sh*t I wish I would of known that,as you can probably tell I'm not exactly computer savvy.Oh well,thank you for the information about how to do it if it happens again. 

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: @Raiders22  I'm sorry Raider,I just spent about an hour writing my whole reply to your posts,and when I went to post it,it says cannot post it cause its over 4000 characters.I wish it would of posted cause it had a lot of good points in it.But there ain't no way I'm writing it all over.So let me try to say this in as little amount of characters as I can. I would never vote for trump.I never said I was an "independent or a conservative",I specifically said my views don't align with any 1 party.On some of my views they align with what republican views are,and on some issues they align on what democrats like.I honestly can't believe some voters views do completely align with 1 political party.And as of now I find it very hard to vote for a republican.Because all they do is kiss trumps ass,and they never hold him responsible for anything he does,even when he allows this country to be attacked cause he lost an election. I was not particularly saying you were Republican.  But, having voted for some Republicans in the past, you apparently align with some of their values.  Therefore, it seems a very safe assumption that you are not aligned with the Far-Left values -- which Biden is and his folks promote that agenda.  I am simply saying if you could find it possible to put aside a personal animus toward Trump and see that he really is better for the country longterm, then you should consider voting for him.  Of course, the ideal situation would be to find an electable Republican that was a likable fellow as well as a good candidate for the country. Otherwise, you support Far-Left values wholesale by default, if not outright support.  I think you are not the only close to the middle-of-the-road voters that are 'forced' to vote for one extreme that they do not completely support.
    See that's the thing Raider,I don't believe trump is better for the country.As a matter of fact I think this country and the world would of been better off if the world had never heard of a donald trump.And in reality I can't believe there are people and voters who do believe this country is better off because he was president.The economy was good,that's it.But it was also good under Obama,but republicans never mention that.Nor do republicans mention how Bush 2 destroyed this countries economy.Where's the health care program trump promised,he never came up with one.Then again who knew healthcare was so complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: @Raiders22  I'm sorry Raider,I just spent about an hour writing my whole reply to your posts,and when I went to post it,it says cannot post it cause its over 4000 characters.I wish it would of posted cause it had a lot of good points in it.But there ain't no way I'm writing it all over.So let me try to say this in as little amount of characters as I can. I would never vote for trump.I never said I was an "independent or a conservative",I specifically said my views don't align with any 1 party.On some of my views they align with what republican views are,and on some issues they align on what democrats like.I honestly can't believe some voters views do completely align with 1 political party.And as of now I find it very hard to vote for a republican.Because all they do is kiss trumps ass,and they never hold him responsible for anything he does,even when he allows this country to be attacked cause he lost an election. I was not particularly saying you were Republican.  But, having voted for some Republicans in the past, you apparently align with some of their values.  Therefore, it seems a very safe assumption that you are not aligned with the Far-Left values -- which Biden is and his folks promote that agenda.  I am simply saying if you could find it possible to put aside a personal animus toward Trump and see that he really is better for the country longterm, then you should consider voting for him.  Of course, the ideal situation would be to find an electable Republican that was a likable fellow as well as a good candidate for the country. Otherwise, you support Far-Left values wholesale by default, if not outright support.  I think you are not the only close to the middle-of-the-road voters that are 'forced' to vote for one extreme that they do not completely support.
    See that's the thing Raider,I don't believe trump is better for the country.As a matter of fact I think this country and the world would of been better off if the world had never heard of a donald trump.And in reality I can't believe there are people and voters who do believe this country is better off because he was president.The economy was good,that's it.But it was also good under Obama,but republicans never mention that.Nor do republicans mention how Bush 2 destroyed this countries economy.Where's the health care program trump promised,he never came up with one.Then again who knew healthcare was so complicated.

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