President Trump Update for Friday, 9 October 2020

@MrWhatsItToYa

I am not comparing him to other Presidents in the past; I am not comparing the things he did not do.  Only comparing him in this instance to Biden and comparing what he did do.

It was more than 'just the economy'.  Yes, it was good.  But if you were to search for other things that Trump did or improved, they are easy to find online if you cannot recall them.  Do not take mine, or anyone else's, word for it -- look it up.  If you are sincere and not a hardcore Leftist but more of a middle-of-the-road guy, I think you will see things differently.  For example, what if Biden had implemented the things Trump did -- how would you feel.  From the judges, economy, energy, NATO, wars, peace deals, immigrants, crime, etc.

You also have to realize how important 'just the economy' is, even if you think that is all.  This leads over into folk's future retirement, stability, the country's stability, lower crime, cheaper goods, lower taxes, etc.

You have to sincerely ask what Trump did that made the country worse that would offset the good that happened while he was in office.

This is not to support Trump as much as the Right's policies and agenda as opposed to the Left's. 

For sure, the Right would like to have someone besides Trump to elect; they simply do not.

But if you are not okay with the direction Biden is taking the country (and you cannot be unless you are a hardcore Leftist), then you have to reconsider your views on Trump as a person with an outlook for your kids and grandkids and just a better country overall.

No person is perfect morally, etc.  So, if it is an election to pick the least morally offensive candidate -- then you will have to accept a weaker candidate a lot of times.

Look at the way Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, JFK, and Clinton, etc. are viewed today.  Could they even be elected today with that type of criteria? Etc., etc.

@Raiders22

 Hey Raider,I appreciate you telling me how to copy and paste something if I ever go over the 400 characters,I really do appreciate the help.

But instead of me and you writing super long posts of A.you trying to tell me how great trump was,and all the great things he did (without 1 word of all the bad things he's done).And B. me trying to explain all the reasons I don't think he's good for this country.

Here's 2 things I know he did,and I'd like to hear you explain why a person who has done these things to our country,should ever be in charge of our country again.Let me see if you can explain to me,why you would still vote for a leader who attacked our country,because he couldn't handle that he lost the election.

1.He claimed the election was rigged,when it wasn't.Him and all his republican enablers schemed of a way to illegally try and change our election results and keep trump in power,and all of them knew it was a lie.What would we do if another country tried to change our election results.But yet when trump does it,the party with the "conservative values" says nothing.But I know,"nobody's perfect morally,ect"

2.And he incited his base to attack this country on Jan 6th because he lost the election.He sat there for 187 minutes,just sitting there watching,just watching for over 3 hours as our country was being attacked.All in the hope that he could stay in power.That's the guy you want me to vote for?Not a chance!But ya,just minor character faults,right?

I need you to tell me again,why I should vote for a traitor like that?Cause I'm just not understanding it.

I'm not trying to be an a-hole here Raider,cause you've never been an a-hole to me.But I'm thinking his bad,far out weighs his good.I won't be voting for trump at any time.And like I believe I said earlier,after seeing the rest of the spineless republican leaders,do nothing to hold trump responsible for his actions.I really can't see myself voting for any of them in the near future,either.

Take it easy Raider and hopefully one day you realize,that still having the right to vote in our leaders,far outweighs any boost in the economy or putting judges in court.I'm gonna take the outlook that the less my kids and grandkids,have to do and deal with trump,the whole lot better their gonna be.

@MrWhatsItToYa

 1.He claimed the election was rigged,when it wasn't.Him and all his republican enablers schemed of a way to illegally try and change our election results and keep trump in power,and all of them knew it was a lie.What would we do if another country tried to change our election results.But yet when trump does it,the party with the "conservative values" says nothing.But I know,"nobody's perfect morally,ect"

First, a lot of Republicans have big-time issues with Trump's antics and his lack of decor or protocol or whatever you want to call it.  But a lot of reasonable people had legitimate questions about why so many people turned out to vote during a pandemic and why so many people decided to vote for a a non-charismatic, old, cognitively-impaired guy.  Some of this is explained with it actually being during a pandemic and people having time to vote and some of the ease to vote, with the mail-in ballots being more readily used, etc.  But was there really enough anti-Trump sentiment to make people actually vote FOR a person that was completely antithetical to their political views?  Was there also enough of it to make Democrats turn out in record numbers?  It is very hard to believe Biden could stir up that kind of turnout -- Clinton or Obama, yes.

But with all of that being said, is it enough to not vote for a candidate because he questioned these things, whined about them, or even questioned the authenticity of it?  Absolutely, for a lot of people this was a huge turnoff.  But these states that had the issues he was talking about did not make it easy with the way it was perceived.   Yes, most folks have accepted it and moved on.  Trump, has not -- but it was him that ran and he has a huge ego.  So, understandable to be upset.  But now he seems petty and folks do not like that either.  

You have to remember Trump may have won the first time.  But if only a few folks in a 3 or 4 states had voted the other way -- he would have been blown out the first time!  The last time if he had won over just a few voters in 2-3 states he would have won.  That is how divided the country is and how close elections are.  So, to be in an extremely close race and at midnight thinking you had barely squeaked out another win and then to find out that most of the mail-in votes went against you and you barely lost -- that would be tough on someone with an ego like his.  This is not to justify his actions, but to help explain them.

But if this is more important to you than the economy, energy, jobs, peace, crime, immigration, judges, etc. -- then, you are voting against someone simply because you do not like them or their actions.

This behavior, while petty and irking, is not reason enough alone to vote AGAINST what is best for the country or to stay home and NOT vote.

I think too many on the Right listen to the Media and folks on the Left about the anti-Trump points and believe them to matter way more than they really do -- because they are the loud voices.  This is the same Trump that was elected and ran the country just fine the first time with the same 'moral and character' flaws.

I understand way more if the Right were to go out and rally behind a better candidate to run -- there just is not one, or simply stay home and vote.  But to vote AGAINST Trump, that I cannot understand.

Can you rationally explain this to me?

@Raiders22

2.And he incited his base to attack this country on Jan 6th because he lost the election.He sat there for 187 minutes,just sitting there watching,just watching for over 3 hours as our country was being attacked.All in the hope that he could stay in power.That's the guy you want me to vote for?Not a chance!But ya,just minor character faults,right?

I need you to tell me again,why I should vote for a traitor like that?Cause I'm just not understanding it.

The questions are many here.  Where has this 'charge' led to after all this time?  Is this more hyperbole about Trump's actions or lack of actions by the Left?  How much responsibility does Trump have to quell this?  Is this akin to when there is a terrorist attack or mass-shooting there is a demand for a president to come out and condemn the act?  Why?  Isn't this understood?  Why is it so important to actually 'have' to come out and say it again and again every time?  It is not like if you do not say anything you are tacitly approving it.  For example, why is it a 'requirement' for a President to visit a disaster site to just 'approve' the disaster relief.  It is never denied.  Nowadays, we have 24-hour news and video of the area and can see the damage in real time.  

But it is understandable that some folks want the President or their Governor to view and show sympathy and unity.  

There is certainly an amount of obligation in this instance.  But how much of it is blown out of proportion?  Trump told them to 'peacefully protest'; he did not tell them to be violent and 'invade' the capitol.  He certainly did not tell them to 'overthrow' the government.  

To be honest, I have no idea on the exact timeline.  So, I will take your word for that.  But what is the time that Trump should have said something?  Was 187 minutes too long?  Would 30 minutes have been too long?  Would 5 minutes have been too long?  Did he really know or realize how extreme this was instantaneously?  

I get that to the Left, time would not matter.  But to the Right, how much critical is the time?  Certainly, he had to say something.  Also, how much of this was exaggerated and overblown for political reasons by the Left?  How much more of this was the responsibility of the security in place?  Trump was not the security guy.  Just because they were Rightwingers is the quelling and security Trump's problem.

It was for sure a protest that got out of hand.  But the only person killed was a protestor, etc. on that issue.  This was not anywhere near a treasonous act.  No way they expected to 'overthrow the government' with this one 'protest'.  So, it is very doubtful Trump was expected this to be a treasonous overthrow.  So, no way you can charge Trump with treason or even accuse him of it.  He did not stir the protestors to overthrow the government.

You can accuse him of a lack of judgment in the amount of time he was 'needed' to say something.  But certainly not treason -- this is a ploy by the Left that some on the Right falls for.  

Did the protestors instantly stop and leave when Trump finally said something?

The question here is if this is the REASON for NOT voting FOR Trump -- is this a REASON to VOTE FOR Biden?

@MrWhatsItToYa

I need you to tell me again,why I should vote for a traitor like that?Cause I'm just not understanding it.

I'm not trying to be an a-hole here Raider,cause you've never been an a-hole to me.But I'm thinking his bad,far out weighs his good.I won't be voting for trump at any time.And like I believe I said earlier,after seeing the rest of the spineless republican leaders,do nothing to hold trump responsible for his actions.I really can't see myself voting for any of them in the near future,either.

Take it easy Raider and hopefully one day you realize,that still having the right to vote in our leaders,far outweighs any boost in the economy or putting judges in court.I'm gonna take the outlook that the less my kids and grandkids,have to do and deal with trump,the whole lot better their gonna be.

My contention is the characterization of 'traitor' is NOT accurate IF you are reasonable about it.  It is an over-hyped 'charge' but the Media and the Left.  But if you truly believe he is a REAL traitor to the country...wow, and okay -- then you should vote for someone else.  But, hopefully, it will not be Biden.

Yes, no personal issue with you.  I like 'discussions' like this.  

But my point is still the same as I said earlier:  like they say about religion -- you should never judge a group just by its abusers.  

Plenty of Republicans have chided Trump and are no longer Trump guys.

So, you are not alone in being anti-Trump on the Independent front. 

@Raiders22

 A lot of republicans might have "big time issues",but if their still gonna vote for him,their just enablers for him to continue with his issues.So now the whole trying to overturn our election results is now considered him not having proper "decor and protocol",nice spin guy,I like it.You know what,I think I'm starting to get those "conservative values" your always preaching about.

And a lot of you reasonable people could have legitimate questions as to why some many people turned out to vote during a pandemic,and why that 7 million of them voted against the "reasonable people's" guy.But once those reasonable people lose every court case because they have no evidence,it should of been over.If you think about it,trump said the 2016 election was rigged also,how come these reasonable people didn't believe him then?Oh that's right,cause he won.Biden didn't stir up that kinda turnout,reasonable people that know trumps a crook and a conman,stirred up that kinda turnout.It might be understandable that he's upset,I'm sure everybody's upset when they lose an election.But none of them throw a tantrum and have their voters try and overturn our election results.And that would be tough for a baby like him,but that's the way it is.You can't try and change the results cause you lost,I think they call that cheating.

And it sure does sound like your trying to justify his actions,we don't need anybody to try and help explain why they think he did it.Not to be an a-hole,but you certainly don't know why he did it,so why try to explain why you think it happened.

The economy,energy,jobs,peace,crime,immigration,judges,will be fine.This countries had those problems before,and we'll have them again,and we'll make it through all that.What this country won't make it through,is someone trying to be a dictator and by-pass all our laws,and our election results.If their not gonna count election votes,then there no sense in having elections,right?

You keep insisting that you know what is best for this country,it may be better for you,but evidently it's not better for about 81 million other Americans.There is better candidates on the right who republicans can vote for,they just don't,that's why they'll probably lose again.

You mean,"How much responsibility does trump have to quell" his followers from attacking our country,trying to overturn our election results.Are you f*cking kidding me,he's the one who incited them to do it,and he's the one who would gain by them doing it.If you even have to ask that question,then you've lost your mind to whats important to this country.This is nothing like a terrorist attack or a mass shooting,where the president should go there and condemn the act.This is something he provoked,we don't need him to condemn it,the country already condemned him for doing it.He did tell them to peacefully protest one time,but then he also said "your gonna have to fight like hell,or you won't have a country anymore".If Charles Manson would of told his followers to bake Sharon Tate a cake that night,and then kill them all,if doesn't make what they did ok.What trump was doing that day,and why he was doing it.Has a lot more then just that day,why were they arranging for fake electors in some states,if his plan wasn't to try and overturn the election results?Ya,your right maybe he didn't realize how "extreme" this was.If anybody else besides his followers were attacking our country,do you think 187 minutes would of been to long to do nothing?Or how about 10 minutes,should we wait 10 of someone attacking our country,to then do something.C'mon,now your starting to sound ridiculous,I know though,you ain't defending him.So let's say they even had no security,would it then be ok for his followers to invade the capitol,then it would be their own fault,right?Attacking your own country to try and overthrow our election results (remember them arranging and having the fake electors ready to go,just for the purpose of changing the winner-and that's the only reason that they would arrange for fake electors-is to try and overturn the election results),is treason to me.

@MrWhatsItToYa

 A lot of republicans might have "big time issues",but if their still gonna vote for him,their just enablers for him to continue with his issues.So now the whole trying to overturn our election results is now considered him not having proper "decor and protocol",nice spin guy,I like it.You know what,I think I'm starting to get those "conservative values" your always preaching about.

I do not think they will vote for him next time.  That is my point.  They think these 'issues' are something they cannot support.  I agree that no one should support them in a person IF you think that person is the only thing being considered.  My question is are those 'issues' more important than the well-being of the country? For some, it is enough to stay home; for others it is enough to vote for Biden.  I contend a lot of them are overblown by the Left and the Media and some on the Right and middle have bought into it.

Republicans have had more than enough time to find a viable candidate and they have not -- they are stuck with Trump.  So, if enough voters in the right places do NOT vote for Trump he will get blown out this time.  Not sure what other term to use in place of 'decor and protocol'?  But choose whatever you like to use.  He could have not been such a sore loser? 

@MrWhatsItToYa

 And a lot of you reasonable people could have legitimate questions as to why some many people turned out to vote during a pandemic,and why that 7 million of them voted against the "reasonable people's" guy.

I do not know what you mean about 7 million people here?

But once those reasonable people lose every court case because they have no evidence,it should of been over.If you think about it,trump said the 2016 election was rigged also,how come these reasonable people didn't believe him then?Oh that's right,cause he won.Biden didn't stir up that kinda turnout,reasonable people that know trumps a crook and a conman,stirred up that kinda turnout.It might be understandable that he's upset,I'm sure everybody's upset when they lose an election.But none of them throw a tantrum and have their voters try and overturn our election results.And that would be tough for a baby like him,but that's the way it is.You can't try and change the results cause you lost,I think they call that cheating.

Yes, if you are referring to what he said about the way they did Bernie Sanders, in order to get Clinton the nomination?  Correct, and this goes back to him not being a normal lifelong politician.  He has never had a reason to be noncommittal or diplomatic.  He has also said whatever he wants.  Some folks like that in a way because they are tired of the same old do-nothing say-nothing politicians.

What exactly are you referring to when you say 'conman'?  I think people use this term and really think it mean something other than what they want it to mean.

You are very correct that he did not handle it with, again 'decor or protocol', or proper and gracious attitude.  But he really felt it was deceptive the way it played out, as I explained about how the end of the Election Day went down, etc.

Absolutely, he should have handled it better.  But is that reason enough to support someone that has tried to undo all that Trump did?  Just because he vociferously questioned some shady-looking antics in the election?  Would you support him if he had conceded quietly?  Most would still not support him even if he had.

@MrWhatsItToYa

And it sure does sound like your trying to justify his actions,we don't need anybody to try and help explain why they think he did it.Not to be an a-hole,but you certainly don't know why he did it,so why try to explain why you think it happened.

No sir, not justifying it at all; simply explaining why a very successful person that is NOT a politician reacted like he did.  No justification at all.  You see this attitude in all walks of life.  This is mostly a sports site.  Pick any sport and realize there is not a single sport where this does not happen.  In each sport there are certain individuals that act like Trump did.  The fans of other team hate those folks even more because of this attitude.  You absolutely see this in all walks of life business.  I would contend from a lot of personal experience, the higher up the business organization charts you see this.  There are some top high-level business executives and CEOs I have known that absolutely have a tremendously bad attitude that would NOT fit in with being a politician.

Absolutely, this is not 1960 or even 1980 and it has changed a lot over the years.  But I am NOT saying this to justify or absolve Trump for this, I am simply explaining why he acts the way he does.  I am asking if this is enough to vote AGAINST him?  Apparently you think so, as do a lot of folks.

Nothing you have mentioned has been illegal or criminal.  The Left and the Media will imply it or some folks will infer it from the stories (actually a lot outright say it) but nothing has stuck yet.  Believe me, they have tried to stick everything.

So, is a person's petulant attitude or even questioning unusual actions in the election enough to override the good he has done and would do when President?  Some would say so.

@MrWhatsItToYa

 The economy,energy,jobs,peace,crime,immigration,judges,will be fine.This countries had those problems before,and we'll have them again,and we'll make it through all that.What this country won't make it through,is someone trying to be a dictator and by-pass all our laws,and our election results.If their not gonna count election votes,then there no sense in having elections,right?

You keep insisting that you know what is best for this country,it may be better for you,but evidently it's not better for about 81 million other Americans.There is better candidates on the right who republicans can vote for,they just don't,that's why they'll probably lose again.

Do you really think all of those things will be fine?  You really think so?  What 'problems' has the country had before?  You think there are problems?  Were they less of a problem with Trump or without him?  Do you really want to go, probably 10 more years, with the Left going down the path they are taking the country?  Won't those problems get even worse?

Trump is not trying to be a dictator -- that is another Left and Media deflection.  He would serve 4 more years and MAYBE in that time another, more likable Republican could be found.  

I am not insisting what I think is best for the country.  What I think is not up for debate.  What I am questioning is how many of those 81M really believe that Biden is BEST and NOT that Trump is just a bad guy.

In other words, if it were possible to judge just the policies and results without knowing the names of the candidates -- how many would actually choose Trump's policies.  Or the ones that stayed home?  Would they go vote if they did not know who it was?  I am not talking about the hardcore Left.  I am talking about folks like you that have supported Republican candidates before.  Now so many are saying, like you, that they will not even vote Republican again.  Why?  Because of one guy and his whining and mean tweets?  That does not make sense.

@MrWhatsItToYa

 He did tell them to peacefully protest one time,but then he also said "your gonna have to fight like hell,or you won't have a country anymore".

I certainly hope you are not implying he was meaning to actually take up arms and go have another Revolution?  For sure, reasonable people would take this to mean rally up and do the things the normal citizenry do as far as getting better candidates and getting them elected and registering more voters and getting their platform talking points across to the folks.  These are things that the Left does way better than the Right.

If you think he meant to overthrow the government and establish him as a dictator -- then there is not much to be done on this subject.

If Charles Manson would of told his followers to bake Sharon Tate a cake that night,and then kill them all,if doesn't make what they did ok.

This is a very bad analogy.  I get your point.  But when you tell someone to 'kill' someone -- it is very, very hard to misinterpret that.  Trump never said to 'kill' someone, did he?

In this analogy what would be the 'cake' that Trump baked?

do you think 187 minutes would of been to long to do nothing?Or how about 10 minutes,

This is my question to you -- not yours for me.  If you cannot answer this question it means there is NO right answer.  No matter the timeframe (even instantaneous) would not have sufficed to the Left or the Media -- this is just another talking point for them at this point.

@MrWhatsItToYa

 So let's say they even had no security,would it then be ok for his followers to invade the capitol,then it would be their own fault,right?

Without a doubt. 

@MrWhatsItToYa

 Good stuff and good questions.  But if I were a person on the Right I would need a lot more than yakking and whining from Trump to make me switch from him to a very, very different guy in Biden.

My question would be that I still do not have a good answer from you on why you would not vote for him the first time and why you did not support him the second time?  

You have done a very good job of explaining why you will not vote for him on his third run.  I do not think it is enough, but you gave me plenty on your reasoning on that.

So, if you did not know his actions after the second election AND knew his results while in office the first time -- you still did not support him.  Why exactly was it that time?  What reasoning did you use for this the second time he ran?  I am more interested in this exact answer than anything else you have said in this thread.  Thanks for trying to answer this for me.  

@Raiders22

 I was talking about the 7 million votes he lost by.

No I'm not talking about Bernie Sanders,I'm talking about before the 16 election,when trump thought he was gonna lose he said the election was rigged.Even the day after he won,he said it was rigged and the only reason he lost the popular vote was because millions of illegals had voted against him in California.

By conman in referring to trump,I guess it's basically the same as someone who lies or cons people into believing them.Kind of like saying he's gonna build a wall and Mexico is gonna pay for it,it's a con job.Or that he's coming out with his healthcare plan in 2 weeks,and it never happens.

I don't care if he really thought it was deceptive the way it played out,it don't matter how he felt,he lost that should of been the end of it.Hell yeah trying to overturn election results is reason enough to support someone else.And he didn't just vociferously question some shady looking antics in the election,he tried to overturn our election results.Why else would fraudulent electors certifications be sent from states won by Biden in an effort to subvert election results and declare trump the winner?Would I have supported him if he conceded quietly,no I would never support him,I've thought I have made that perfectly clear.I don't care if he conceded quietly or cried the whole time,but to continue to say he won is a lie and everybody knows it.

It's not that he is a very successful person who is not a politician on why he reacted like he did.It's because he's been a rich spoiled toddler his whole life,who has never been held responsible for his actions.You do see this attitude in all walks of life,there is a lot of tantrum throwing little bitches who are sore losers in all walks of life,it doesn't make it right just cause other people do it.I don't need you to explain why he acts the way he does,my previous thoughts on little bitches who are sore losers,explains it perfectly in my eyes.

I believe calling a states SOS so he can try and find 11,000 votes so you can win the election is against the law,but I guess we'll see when that court case plays out,if it gets that far.

You can keep writing all these long posts trying to explain or justify his actions to me.But your just wasting your time,my mind is not going to change on him,he is what he is,and that ain't never gonna change.

@Raiders22

 Geez,I just got done posting and responding up until post #410,I post that and then I got 4 more posts.

@Raiders22

 To me it does seem like trump is trying to become a dictator.If they would of went through with the fake electors in 2020 and not certified Biden as the winner,who do you think trump would of wanted to be our country's leader?I'll give you 1 guess.And if we are not gonna count the election results as to who is the winner in the election,then why have elections.And if we aren't going to have elections anymore.Who do you think trumps gonna want to have determine who continues to hold the power in this nation,probably himself,right?Are you okay with VP Harris determining who wins the next election?Cause I certainly don't hear you complaining when pence was going to do it.

No not because of one guy and his whining and mean tweets,I've never even mentioned his tweets,I don't give a shit what he tweets.More like him trying to overturn the election,and most of the republicans doing nothing and saying nothing to try and stop it.That is why I will not vote republican again.

Oh so he meant "fight like hell or you won't have a country anymore",as rally up and do the things normal citizenry do as far as getting better candidates and getting them elected and registering more voters and getting their platform talking points across to the folks.C'mon now,you don't think people are that ignorant to believe that do you?

Would trump have waited 187 minutes if his family or one of his buildings were being attacked,of course he wouldn't have.And nobody would have waited that long and done nothing,unless they wanted the attacks to continue happening.As soon as you know this country is being attacked you do something.

Your saying if there is no security at the capitol,it's okay for people or trump voters to attack it,really?So as long as any American see's that a building or something isn't secured well enough,it's okay in your eyes for them to attack it and try an invade the building?What if someones house isn't secured,it's okay to break the doors down and cause damage to the house?

If you still can't determine what my reasoning is for not voting for him after all this time and everything I've written,then I don't know what to tell you.

I myself ain't mexican or latino,but I do have family that came from that part of the world,and have a lot of friends who are mexican or latino.What nationality are you Raider,would you like it if someone called people from your nationality rapists?Would that endear you to that person,of course not.Especially after you find out that the same person is caught bragging about sexually assaulting women.This is the same guy complaining about illegal aliens coming into this country,as he's hiring the same illegal aliens as cheap labor at his resorts (the reason their coming to this country to begin with),kind of hypocritical ain't it?He talks about being behind the American worker,as him and his whole family make their products in other country's by non Americans.He's all about America,unless it costs him more money to buy American,then it's f*ck the American worker,their on their own.Just like his supporters on Jan 6th who are now in jail because of him,their on their own.

I will probably not be around tomorrow Raider,until late at night.I think I'm gonna take my 4 year old nephews son,to his 1st Cub's game.Ha,so please don't bombard me with a bunch of long replies to what I wrote tonight,I was finally able to catch up with all the other posts from tonight.

Cubs Win! Cubs Win!

@MrWhatsItToYa

 I was talking about the 7 million votes he lost by.

No I'm not talking about Bernie Sanders,I'm talking about before the 16 election,when trump thought he was gonna lose he said the election was rigged.Even the day after he won,he said it was rigged and the only reason he lost the popular vote was because millions of illegals had voted against him in California.

Gotcha.  Yes, same attitude as when he lost the second time. 

By conman in referring to trump,I guess it's basically the same as someone who lies or cons people into believing them.Kind of like saying he's gonna build a wall and Mexico is gonna pay for it,it's a con job.Or that he's coming out with his healthcare plan in 2 weeks,and it never happens.

I see.  Yes, that is not the classical definition of 'conman'.  This is essentially short for 'confidence man', where someone dupes someone into giving them money or property or goods.  But if you apply it like you have, my argument would be that is basically what a lot, if not all, politicians do to a degree.  They try to make folks believe everything they say that is good and the things they plan to do are good.  You have to emphasize the good and obscure the bad; they all do that.

The issue is the opposite party has to do the opposite, and with a businessman (as I always say) it is much easier than with a politician.

Have you actually looked into why a wall was not built or why another healthcare plan was not installed?  These issues are very in-depth.  All politicians run on things they want to do and plan to do; very few achieve all of them.  The Left and Media never talk about all of the good that Trump did, they have a very loud voice and emphasize what he did NOT do.

If he HAD built a wall OR installed a new healthcare plan the Left and the Media would have said they were a BAD thing and not a GOOD thing.  So, in a sense it is self-defeating to me for those guys to even bring it up.  It is almost a tacit acceptance that it would have been good if they happened.  None of them believe this, they just do it to make it look like Trump did not accomplish anything.

But I would research exactly why they were not done -- it is very hard to lay those at Trump's feet.  This sort of thing is NOT done to Biden, etc.

@MrWhatsItToYa

 I don't care if he really thought it was deceptive the way it played out,it don't matter how he felt,he lost that should of been the end of it.Hell yeah trying to overturn election results is reason enough to support someone else.And he didn't just vociferously question some shady looking antics in the election,he tried to overturn our election results.Why else would fraudulent electors certifications be sent from states won by Biden in an effort to subvert election results and declare trump the winner?Would I have supported him if he conceded quietly,no I would never support him,I've thought I have made that perfectly clear.I don't care if he conceded quietly or cried the whole time,but to continue to say he won is a lie and everybody knows it.

Okay.  Fair enough.  This issue does NOT matter to you in voting for him.  So, I do not know why folks mention it at all anymore.  Nothing illegal or criminal about it.  These people were not voting for him to start with -- just something else they do not like about Trump.  No problem with this.

It's not that he is a very successful person who is not a politician on why he reacted like he did.It's because he's been a rich spoiled toddler his whole life,who has never been held responsible for his actions.You do see this attitude in all walks of life,there is a lot of tantrum throwing little bitches who are sore losers in all walks of life,it doesn't make it right just cause other people do it.I don't need you to explain why he acts the way he does,my previous thoughts on little bitches who are sore losers,explains it perfectly in my eyes.

Of course,  I said it did not make it 'right'.   But we, rightly or wrongly, hold politicians to a higher standard because of politics and media.  CEOs and sports stars not so much, etc. -- they can be 'spoiled toddlers' and 'sore losers' through their whole careers with no problem.

I believe calling a states SOS so he can try and find 11,000 votes so you can win the election is against the law,but I guess we'll see when that court case plays out,if it gets that far.

You can keep writing all these long posts trying to explain or justify his actions to me.But your just wasting your time,my mind is not going to change on him,he is what he is,and that ain't never gonna change.

No sir.  No way I can change your mind now.  But I wonder if the second time he ran, could you have been swayed if you were to see the direction of the country and economy compared to where it has gone and seems to be going with a Far-Left in office for the next 10 years.  In other words, your personal attitude toward a person overrides the country's best interest?

How could someone who has voted for a more Conservative candidate than Trump in the past now vote for a more Far-Left candidate than we have ever seen just for a personal 'vendetta' of sorts?

I haver addressed most of this already.  As far as never again Republicans because they supported Trump's assertion on the election.  This is wrong.  You are judging a whole group by a select few, and some of these have changed their minds.  I would research it more; a LOT of Republicans are very much Anti-Trump and Never-Trump folks.  This should not mean you never again vote for a Republican.  If you never want to vote for one that supported Trump's claims -- that I would understand.  But you cannot group everyone altogether -- that is unfair.

@MrWhatsItToYa

 Your saying if there is no security at the capitol,it's okay for people or trump voters to attack it,really?So as long as any American see's that a building or something isn't secured well enough,it's okay in your eyes for them to attack it and try an invade the building?What if someones house isn't secured,it's okay to break the doors down and cause damage to the house?

Not sure how you go this out of what I said.  Of course it would not be right, why would it?  Yes, it is security's job to stop them, by simple definition -- they are security.  BUT it is the folk's that stormed the capitol that are to BLAME.  Completely two separate issues.  They committed the act -- they knew they were wrong, no matter the reason for doing it.

@MrWhatsItToYa

 Oh so he meant "fight like hell or you won't have a country anymore",as rally up and do the things normal citizenry do as far as getting better candidates and getting them elected and registering more voters and getting their platform talking points across to the folks.C'mon now,you don't think people are that ignorant to believe that do you?

Absolutely.  You think he actually meant to violently storm the capitol?  He never said to do that.  I am not absolving Trump for his words or actions, of lack thereof, but certainly I do not see it as extreme as it has been portrayed.

Read this and tell me what you think, etc.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

There are way more detailed ones.  I think this is from 2 years ago.  But if there were solid evidence and direct quotes and they were on record -- you would have seen way more by now on this.  You cannot quote anything that would be chargeable, for example.