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    KellyM_1964
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2021 - 1:33 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    cut from huffpost ::

    Mike Lindell’s 72-Hour Fraud Fest Goes From Very Bad To Worse   Lindell vowed ahead of the 72-hour event that began in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, on Tuesday to show conclusive proof that China hacked voting machines in the 2020 election in favor of President Joe Biden — thus costing Trump victory.   But after the second day on Wednesday, there was no such evidence.

     

    Instead, a cyber expert hired by Lindell to decrypt and analyze what the pillow peddler called “irrefutable” data reportedly said it was unrecoverable in its current state and could not prove hacking.

    an_beatup

     

    “So our team said, we’re not going to say that this is legitimate if we don’t have confidence in the information,” Josh Merritt told The Washington Times, adding that Lindell has now canceled his $5 million reward for anyone who can disprove his wild claims.  an_beatup

     

    mike lindell has been strangely silent the past 3 days  

    anyone know why ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    cut from huffpost ::

    Mike Lindell’s 72-Hour Fraud Fest Goes From Very Bad To Worse   Lindell vowed ahead of the 72-hour event that began in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, on Tuesday to show conclusive proof that China hacked voting machines in the 2020 election in favor of President Joe Biden — thus costing Trump victory.   But after the second day on Wednesday, there was no such evidence.

     

    Instead, a cyber expert hired by Lindell to decrypt and analyze what the pillow peddler called “irrefutable” data reportedly said it was unrecoverable in its current state and could not prove hacking.

    an_beatup

     

    “So our team said, we’re not going to say that this is legitimate if we don’t have confidence in the information,” Josh Merritt told The Washington Times, adding that Lindell has now canceled his $5 million reward for anyone who can disprove his wild claims.  an_beatup

     

    mike lindell has been strangely silent the past 3 days  

    anyone know why ?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2021 - 7:17 PM ET #27

    Nearly two-thirds of Americans
    support state or local mask mandates,
    poll shows

    YAHOO NEWS -
    As debate over public health mandates simmers around the country,
    new polling shows nearly 2 out of every 3 Americans say they support
    their state or local government requiring masks in all public places
    to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

    The Axios/Ipsos poll released Tuesday found that 64% of Americans overall
    favored such requirements, compared with 35% who said they were opposed.

    Support for masking was even stronger when it came to requiring face coverings
    at school. an_light Pollsters found that 69% of Americans were supportive
    of requiring teachers, students and administrators to wear masks.

    Nationwide, more than 900,000 new coronavirus cases were reported last week,
    the most in a single week since January, when infections were soaring.

    Reply

    Nearly two-thirds of Americans
    support state or local mask mandates,
    poll shows

    YAHOO NEWS -
    As debate over public health mandates simmers around the country,
    new polling shows nearly 2 out of every 3 Americans say they support
    their state or local government requiring masks in all public places
    to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

    The Axios/Ipsos poll released Tuesday found that 64% of Americans overall
    favored such requirements, compared with 35% who said they were opposed.

    Support for masking was even stronger when it came to requiring face coverings
    at school. an_light Pollsters found that 69% of Americans were supportive
    of requiring teachers, students and administrators to wear masks.

    Nationwide, more than 900,000 new coronavirus cases were reported last week,
    the most in a single week since January, when infections were soaring.

     
    KellyM_1964
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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2021 - 9:58 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Nearly two-thirds of Americans support state or local mask mandates, poll shows YAHOO NEWS -As debate over public health mandates simmers around the country, new polling shows nearly 2 out of every 3 Americans say they support their state or local government requiring masks in all public places to slow the spread of the coronavirus. The Axios/Ipsos poll released Tuesday found that 64% of Americans overall favored such requirements, compared with 35% who said they were opposed. Support for masking was even stronger when it came to requiring face coverings at school. Pollsters found that 69% of Americans were supportive of requiring teachers, students and administrators to wear masks. Nationwide, more than 900,000 new coronavirus cases were reported last week, the most in a single week since January, when infections were soaring.

     

    dude , u shoulda put this one in the " some good news " thread  peace_5

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Nearly two-thirds of Americans support state or local mask mandates, poll shows YAHOO NEWS -As debate over public health mandates simmers around the country, new polling shows nearly 2 out of every 3 Americans say they support their state or local government requiring masks in all public places to slow the spread of the coronavirus. The Axios/Ipsos poll released Tuesday found that 64% of Americans overall favored such requirements, compared with 35% who said they were opposed. Support for masking was even stronger when it came to requiring face coverings at school. Pollsters found that 69% of Americans were supportive of requiring teachers, students and administrators to wear masks. Nationwide, more than 900,000 new coronavirus cases were reported last week, the most in a single week since January, when infections were soaring.

     

    dude , u shoulda put this one in the " some good news " thread  peace_5

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2021 - 7:06 PM ET #29

    Mike Lindell’s Own Cybersecurity Expert
    Admits There’s No Proof of Election Fraud

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Mike Lindell’s Own Cybersecurity Expert
    Admits There’s No Proof of Election Fraud

     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2021 - 7:08 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Mike Lindell’s Own Cybersecurity Expert Admits There’s No Proof of Election Fraud

    If you were given a college degree. Please return to sender or throw gas on it and burn it up.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Mike Lindell’s Own Cybersecurity Expert Admits There’s No Proof of Election Fraud

    If you were given a college degree. Please return to sender or throw gas on it and burn it up.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2021 - 7:33 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Mike Lindell’s Own Cybersecurity Expert
    Admits There’s No Proof of Election Fraud

    But, but, but ......... trump said Lindell had undeniable PROOF!      

    WTF  confused

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Mike Lindell’s Own Cybersecurity Expert
    Admits There’s No Proof of Election Fraud

    But, but, but ......... trump said Lindell had undeniable PROOF!      

    WTF  confused

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2021 - 10:44 PM ET #32

    Case count records shattered across the country;
    U.S. reports more than 1 million new cases

    USA TODAY
    About 116 communities shattered their all-time case count records for the week ending Friday, a USA TODAY analysis of Johns Hopkins University data shows. The records included 29 counties in Georgia, 26 counties in Florida, 16 Mississippi counties, nine Kentucky counties, nine Oregon counties and eight Louisiana parishes.

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    Case count records shattered across the country;
    U.S. reports more than 1 million new cases

    USA TODAY
    About 116 communities shattered their all-time case count records for the week ending Friday, a USA TODAY analysis of Johns Hopkins University data shows. The records included 29 counties in Georgia, 26 counties in Florida, 16 Mississippi counties, nine Kentucky counties, nine Oregon counties and eight Louisiana parishes.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2021 - 11:08 PM ET #33

    Fox News host tucker carlson
    spouts anti-mask venom
    while his staff wears masks  an_light

    Source: CNN

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    Fox News host tucker carlson
    spouts anti-mask venom
    while his staff wears masks  an_light

    Source: CNN

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2021 - 8:46 PM ET #34

    An UNvaccinated Fitness Coach
    Almost Died from second bout with COVID

     

    Denver Post via HUFFPOST link - https://tinyurl.com/fzcxewaz

    Bill Phillips caught COVID-19 in 2020 and skipped getting vaccinated,
    thinking he was then immune.

    He now says that was a “mistake” after he caught the virus again.

    The Colorado fitness expert — who worked as a performance nutrition
    and supplementation expert for the Denver Broncos in the late 1990s
    and is the author of “Body-for-LIFE” — almost died after a two-month
    battle with COVID-19 because he didn’t think he needed a vaccine.

    Reply

    An UNvaccinated Fitness Coach
    Almost Died from second bout with COVID

     

    Denver Post via HUFFPOST link - https://tinyurl.com/fzcxewaz

    Bill Phillips caught COVID-19 in 2020 and skipped getting vaccinated,
    thinking he was then immune.

    He now says that was a “mistake” after he caught the virus again.

    The Colorado fitness expert — who worked as a performance nutrition
    and supplementation expert for the Denver Broncos in the late 1990s
    and is the author of “Body-for-LIFE” — almost died after a two-month
    battle with COVID-19 because he didn’t think he needed a vaccine.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2021 - 9:07 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    An UNvaccinated Fitness Coach
    Almost Died from second bout with COVID

     

    Denver Post via HUFFPOST link - https://tinyurl.com/fzcxewaz

    Bill Phillips caught COVID-19 in 2020 and skipped getting vaccinated, thinking he was then immune. He now says that was a “mistake” after he caught the virus again. The Colorado fitness expert — who worked as a performance nutrition and supplementation expert for the Denver Broncos in the late 1990s and is the author of “Body-for-LIFE” — almost died after a two-month battle with COVID-19 because he didn’t think he needed a vaccine.

    Up until about two weeks ago, the 56-year-old was
    in a medically induced coma and was hooked up to a ventilator.
    He spent 47 days intubated and lost 70 pounds.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    An UNvaccinated Fitness Coach
    Almost Died from second bout with COVID

     

    Denver Post via HUFFPOST link - https://tinyurl.com/fzcxewaz

    Bill Phillips caught COVID-19 in 2020 and skipped getting vaccinated, thinking he was then immune. He now says that was a “mistake” after he caught the virus again. The Colorado fitness expert — who worked as a performance nutrition and supplementation expert for the Denver Broncos in the late 1990s and is the author of “Body-for-LIFE” — almost died after a two-month battle with COVID-19 because he didn’t think he needed a vaccine.

    Up until about two weeks ago, the 56-year-old was
    in a medically induced coma and was hooked up to a ventilator.
    He spent 47 days intubated and lost 70 pounds.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2021 - 9:16 AM ET #36

    Florida voters don't want DeSantis

     

    (CNN) The voters who know Ron DeSantis best
    don't think he should run for president in 2024.
    Six in 10 Florida voters said they would not like to see
    the state's Republican governor become a presidential candidate,
    while just over 1 in 3 (35%) said they would like to see that,
    according to a new Quinnipiac University poll.

    Reply

    Florida voters don't want DeSantis

     

    (CNN) The voters who know Ron DeSantis best
    don't think he should run for president in 2024.
    Six in 10 Florida voters said they would not like to see
    the state's Republican governor become a presidential candidate,
    while just over 1 in 3 (35%) said they would like to see that,
    according to a new Quinnipiac University poll.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2021 - 9:04 PM ET #37

    Greater Cincinnati hospitals
    struggle with COVID-19 surge! an_light

     

    YAHOO NEWS - Fri, August 27

    Hospitals are pushed to the brink and
    are waiting to see when the COVID-19 surge breaks.

    Reply

    Greater Cincinnati hospitals
    struggle with COVID-19 surge! an_light

     

    YAHOO NEWS - Fri, August 27

    Hospitals are pushed to the brink and
    are waiting to see when the COVID-19 surge breaks.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2021 - 9:36 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    An UNvaccinated Fitness Coach
    Almost Died from second bout with COVID

     

    Denver Post via HUFFPOST link - https://tinyurl.com/fzcxewaz

    Bill Phillips caught COVID-19 in 2020 and skipped getting vaccinated,
    thinking he was then immune.

    He now says that was a “mistake” after he caught the virus again.

    The Colorado fitness expert — who worked as a performance nutrition
    and supplementation expert for the Denver Broncos in the late 1990s
    and is the author of “Body-for-LIFE” — almost died after a two-month
    battle with COVID-19 because he didn’t think he needed a vaccine.

     

    glad hes ok now        but hes one of the lucky ones

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    An UNvaccinated Fitness Coach
    Almost Died from second bout with COVID

     

    Denver Post via HUFFPOST link - https://tinyurl.com/fzcxewaz

    Bill Phillips caught COVID-19 in 2020 and skipped getting vaccinated,
    thinking he was then immune.

    He now says that was a “mistake” after he caught the virus again.

    The Colorado fitness expert — who worked as a performance nutrition
    and supplementation expert for the Denver Broncos in the late 1990s
    and is the author of “Body-for-LIFE” — almost died after a two-month
    battle with COVID-19 because he didn’t think he needed a vaccine.

     

    glad hes ok now        but hes one of the lucky ones

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2021 - 9:48 PM ET #39

    COVID-19 cases continue climbing
    as Illinois prepares for indoor masking
    and more vaccine mandates

    Chicago Tribune - August 27

    Hospitals are pushed to the brink and
    are waiting to see when the COVID-19 surge breaks.

    As of noon Friday, the Illinois Department of Public Health reported
    4,942 new cases, the highest daily number reported since late January.

    The average of the past seven days’ cases has risen to its highest level
    since late January: an average of 3,662 new infections reported per day.

    Reply

    COVID-19 cases continue climbing
    as Illinois prepares for indoor masking
    and more vaccine mandates

    Chicago Tribune - August 27

    Hospitals are pushed to the brink and
    are waiting to see when the COVID-19 surge breaks.

    As of noon Friday, the Illinois Department of Public Health reported
    4,942 new cases, the highest daily number reported since late January.

    The average of the past seven days’ cases has risen to its highest level
    since late January: an average of 3,662 new infections reported per day.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2021 - 12:09 AM ET #40

    New Covid-19 origins intel report
    gives inconclusive assessment,
    but knocks down some theories

    CNN -
    "All agencies assess that two hypotheses are plausible:
    natural exposure to an infected animal and
    laboratory-associated incident," the report says.

    The unclassified report was released Friday by the intelligence community
    after President Biden had asked intelligence agencies to "redouble"
    their efforts to determine how the Covid-19 pandemic began.

    BUT...

    while the report couldn't reach a conclusive assessment on the origin of the virus,
    it did knock down some "political" theories.
    The intelligence community assessed, for instance, that Covid-19
    was NOT developed as a biological weapon, as some Republicans have insisted.

    Reply

    New Covid-19 origins intel report
    gives inconclusive assessment,
    but knocks down some theories

    CNN -
    "All agencies assess that two hypotheses are plausible:
    natural exposure to an infected animal and
    laboratory-associated incident," the report says.

    The unclassified report was released Friday by the intelligence community
    after President Biden had asked intelligence agencies to "redouble"
    their efforts to determine how the Covid-19 pandemic began.

    BUT...

    while the report couldn't reach a conclusive assessment on the origin of the virus,
    it did knock down some "political" theories.
    The intelligence community assessed, for instance, that Covid-19
    was NOT developed as a biological weapon, as some Republicans have insisted.

     
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    @fubah2

     That shit was created in a Wuhan lab as part of a ongoing biological weapon program, bro. This believe isn't based on any political stance. I am not a Republican, and I believe are two party political system, and the two parties that make it up, are all complete bullshit. My belief is based on known facts and common sense. Here are a few real facts. None of this is from any bullshit social media politically based "news" sources. The Wuhan lab has the largest collection of bat coronaviruses in the world. They were/are working on making bat coronaviruses both more transmissible and more infectious, i.e. more like to cause sickness and more deadly. Why would a lab do this?? The Chinese military was involved. The Chinese government has actively refused to let any outsiders inspect the Wuhan lab.

    If it waddles like a duck and quacks.... Has webbed feet... . 

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    @fubah2

     That shit was created in a Wuhan lab as part of a ongoing biological weapon program, bro. This believe isn't based on any political stance. I am not a Republican, and I believe are two party political system, and the two parties that make it up, are all complete bullshit. My belief is based on known facts and common sense. Here are a few real facts. None of this is from any bullshit social media politically based "news" sources. The Wuhan lab has the largest collection of bat coronaviruses in the world. They were/are working on making bat coronaviruses both more transmissible and more infectious, i.e. more like to cause sickness and more deadly. Why would a lab do this?? The Chinese military was involved. The Chinese government has actively refused to let any outsiders inspect the Wuhan lab.

    If it waddles like a duck and quacks.... Has webbed feet... . 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    @fubah2  That shit was created in a Wuhan lab as part of a ongoing biological weapon program, bro. This believe isn't based on any political stance. 

    Ok.  You are certainly entitled to your beliefs, Stu.   So is everyone.

    However,  I am reporting what the US intelligence community stated after their investigation, as per CNN reporting among others.

    and they insist in their report it was NOT part of a biological weapon program regardless what dudes on sports gambling forums might think either way.

    Bottom line. 

    I am fairly certain YOU were not part of that or any investigative team entitled to review all the evidence.

    However, if you have  *ACTUAL PROOF* supporting your contention, then please, by all means contact the authorities ASAP!!, **OR THE MEDIA** (if you won't trust our intelligence experts)  and submit your bonafide PROOF, as I am confident they (either) would very much appreciate it!  an_clap  Me too!   Would love to see the  *PROOF* so this can be settled one way or another.  FTM, same applies to the election results -- as there is at least one LOON here who insists the election was rigged/massive fraud -- but he has yet to show the PROOF.  It kinda all blew up on him Friday August 13 when Mike Lindell's promised "big reveal" did a nose dive into the bottom of the outhouse...

    Once you provide the irrefutable PROOF to the media (or FBI/CIA/etc) the vast majority of America, including me, will applaud your efforts! an_clap

    TIA!  peace_5

     

    CNN -

    The unclassified report was released Friday by the intelligence community
    after President Biden had asked intelligence agencies to "redouble"
    their efforts to determine how the Covid-19 pandemic began.

    BUT...

    while the report couldn't reach a conclusive assessment on the origin of the virus,
    it did knock down some "political" theories.
    The intelligence community assessed, for instance, that Covid-19
    was NOT developed as a biological weapon, as some Republicans have insisted.

     

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    @fubah2  That shit was created in a Wuhan lab as part of a ongoing biological weapon program, bro. This believe isn't based on any political stance. 

    Ok.  You are certainly entitled to your beliefs, Stu.   So is everyone.

    However,  I am reporting what the US intelligence community stated after their investigation, as per CNN reporting among others.

    and they insist in their report it was NOT part of a biological weapon program regardless what dudes on sports gambling forums might think either way.

    Bottom line. 

    I am fairly certain YOU were not part of that or any investigative team entitled to review all the evidence.

    However, if you have  *ACTUAL PROOF* supporting your contention, then please, by all means contact the authorities ASAP!!, **OR THE MEDIA** (if you won't trust our intelligence experts)  and submit your bonafide PROOF, as I am confident they (either) would very much appreciate it!  an_clap  Me too!   Would love to see the  *PROOF* so this can be settled one way or another.  FTM, same applies to the election results -- as there is at least one LOON here who insists the election was rigged/massive fraud -- but he has yet to show the PROOF.  It kinda all blew up on him Friday August 13 when Mike Lindell's promised "big reveal" did a nose dive into the bottom of the outhouse...

    Once you provide the irrefutable PROOF to the media (or FBI/CIA/etc) the vast majority of America, including me, will applaud your efforts! an_clap

    TIA!  peace_5

     

    CNN -

    The unclassified report was released Friday by the intelligence community
    after President Biden had asked intelligence agencies to "redouble"
    their efforts to determine how the Covid-19 pandemic began.

    BUT...

    while the report couldn't reach a conclusive assessment on the origin of the virus,
    it did knock down some "political" theories.
    The intelligence community assessed, for instance, that Covid-19
    was NOT developed as a biological weapon, as some Republicans have insisted.

     

     
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    peace  Upon further review,

    I went a bit overboard in post #42 with the whole "show PROOF" thing, and that was entirely unnecessary by me, given that Stu was just stating his firm opinion.... (obviously difficult to prove an opinion) ... I disagree with the view of a still unsubstantiated "bio-weapon" theory,  but still  I should have worded it in a far less overbearing manner.  peace 

     

    PS> election fraud DOES require PROOF!!!

    Reply

     

    peace  Upon further review,

    I went a bit overboard in post #42 with the whole "show PROOF" thing, and that was entirely unnecessary by me, given that Stu was just stating his firm opinion.... (obviously difficult to prove an opinion) ... I disagree with the view of a still unsubstantiated "bio-weapon" theory,  but still  I should have worded it in a far less overbearing manner.  peace 

     

    PS> election fraud DOES require PROOF!!!

     
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    @fubah2

     Thank you. I know these forum debates can be maddening and sometimes don't bring out the best in us. It is just an opinion but it is an opinion based on available info, not anything political. It isn't something I got off of social media or YouTube. It's a conspiracy theory, and if you'll pardon my hypocrisy as I hate conspiracy theorists, it is MY theory. Not something I read online and recycled.

    As far as out intelligence community, they omit truths and downright lie to the American people all of the time. Some of these lies are necessary to protect operations, protect the American people from themselves, etc. but some our downright nefarious. Look up operations like Cointelpro and some of the related operations of the 50s, 60s, and 70s before talking to me about our intelligence agencies. And don't get me started on the Chinese government.

    My opinions, my theories, are my own but these are facts. They were working on making bat coronaviruses more transmissible and more infectious in the Wuhan lab. The Chinese military was/is involved. Why would you work on making a virus easier to transmit and more likely to cause sickness? That sounds like weaponization. Why wouldn't you let any outside governments in to inspect the facility? That sounds like they have something to hide. I'm a firm believer in where there is smoke there is fire. I believe our intelligence community knows exactly what is going on and is keeping it a secret... they're in the business of secrets, aren't they? They are keeping it a secret to prevent total chaos. Americans aren't known for being rational. If what I believe is accurate, and we knew it, you would have people calling for War who know nothing about War and attacking Chinese Americans in cities across the US.

    Believe what you want but don't you dare clutch your pearls and talk about what "the intelligence community" says, given their track record on such things. Have they provided you with any proof? Or was it just a statement you believed without any actual details to back it? You actually believe agencies whose job's principal function involves lying and ommiting truths? Got it.

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    @fubah2

     Thank you. I know these forum debates can be maddening and sometimes don't bring out the best in us. It is just an opinion but it is an opinion based on available info, not anything political. It isn't something I got off of social media or YouTube. It's a conspiracy theory, and if you'll pardon my hypocrisy as I hate conspiracy theorists, it is MY theory. Not something I read online and recycled.

    As far as out intelligence community, they omit truths and downright lie to the American people all of the time. Some of these lies are necessary to protect operations, protect the American people from themselves, etc. but some our downright nefarious. Look up operations like Cointelpro and some of the related operations of the 50s, 60s, and 70s before talking to me about our intelligence agencies. And don't get me started on the Chinese government.

    My opinions, my theories, are my own but these are facts. They were working on making bat coronaviruses more transmissible and more infectious in the Wuhan lab. The Chinese military was/is involved. Why would you work on making a virus easier to transmit and more likely to cause sickness? That sounds like weaponization. Why wouldn't you let any outside governments in to inspect the facility? That sounds like they have something to hide. I'm a firm believer in where there is smoke there is fire. I believe our intelligence community knows exactly what is going on and is keeping it a secret... they're in the business of secrets, aren't they? They are keeping it a secret to prevent total chaos. Americans aren't known for being rational. If what I believe is accurate, and we knew it, you would have people calling for War who know nothing about War and attacking Chinese Americans in cities across the US.

    Believe what you want but don't you dare clutch your pearls and talk about what "the intelligence community" says, given their track record on such things. Have they provided you with any proof? Or was it just a statement you believed without any actual details to back it? You actually believe agencies whose job's principal function involves lying and ommiting truths? Got it.

     
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    I mean, we're talking about the same agencies that lured unsuspecting John's into brothels and covertly dosed then with LSD just to see how they would act. If it would make them more suggestible, more open to mind control. Yeah, I trust intelligence agencies.

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    I mean, we're talking about the same agencies that lured unsuspecting John's into brothels and covertly dosed then with LSD just to see how they would act. If it would make them more suggestible, more open to mind control. Yeah, I trust intelligence agencies.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    New Covid-19 origins intel report gives inconclusive assessment, but knocks down some theories

    No surprise US intelligence report is inconclusive because of incomplete data.  There is nothing that is a smoking gun.  Little new evidences can be discovered in just 90 days especially since China refuses to be more cooperative.  Not unusual for scientific investigations to take years to find the truth.

     Lab leak theory is more about politics and harder to prove.  Scientific consensus hasn't changed and still favors natural origin as more plausible because of stronger evidences.  Almost all infectious diseases originate from nature.  For examples, HIV, bird flu, swine flu, influenza, etc.  Destruction of wildlife habitats increases the risk of virus spread from animals to humans.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    New Covid-19 origins intel report gives inconclusive assessment, but knocks down some theories

    No surprise US intelligence report is inconclusive because of incomplete data.  There is nothing that is a smoking gun.  Little new evidences can be discovered in just 90 days especially since China refuses to be more cooperative.  Not unusual for scientific investigations to take years to find the truth.

     Lab leak theory is more about politics and harder to prove.  Scientific consensus hasn't changed and still favors natural origin as more plausible because of stronger evidences.  Almost all infectious diseases originate from nature.  For examples, HIV, bird flu, swine flu, influenza, etc.  Destruction of wildlife habitats increases the risk of virus spread from animals to humans.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Believe what you want but don't you dare clutch your pearls and talk about what "the intelligence community" says, given their track record on such things. Have they provided you with any proof? Or was it just a statement you believed without any actual details to back it? You actually believe agencies whose job's principal function involves lying and ommiting truths? Got it.

    the way i read fubah2s original message cut and paste from cnn thats all it was

    a cut and paste from a cnn article

    fuabh2 did not state any belief   or opinion either way 

    the article states that the report says the origins are not conclusive and i for one believe that

    its ok if u want to disbelieve everything the intelligence community finds , if thats the way u roll ,but imo that is not only stupid but actually worse than believing everything they say

    more to the point though i totally agree with fubahs first response  about proof  when u r making a statement alleging a factual conclusion

    the report stated its inconclusive . u disagree that it is inconclusive . that it is some sort of tinfoil hat wearing chinese bioweapon conspiracy worthy of the other tinfoil hat wearing kooks that lurk in here .  u could b right ultimately . OR NOT !  but  the onus is on u to prove yes prove a statement u made as factual

    and in this particular exchange i see fubah2 being the gentleman here with his subsequent acknowledgement that he pounded the show proof argument more than necessary (even though he is 100% right about that )

    but as u have demonstrated several times stu u just wouldnt let that go at that -- a diff of opinion.   u insist on hammering again what u already said and your final paragraph  is pretty much like showing a guy the middle finger after he extends his hand to shake          got it          u did this   not fubah

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Believe what you want but don't you dare clutch your pearls and talk about what "the intelligence community" says, given their track record on such things. Have they provided you with any proof? Or was it just a statement you believed without any actual details to back it? You actually believe agencies whose job's principal function involves lying and ommiting truths? Got it.

    the way i read fubah2s original message cut and paste from cnn thats all it was

    a cut and paste from a cnn article

    fuabh2 did not state any belief   or opinion either way 

    the article states that the report says the origins are not conclusive and i for one believe that

    its ok if u want to disbelieve everything the intelligence community finds , if thats the way u roll ,but imo that is not only stupid but actually worse than believing everything they say

    more to the point though i totally agree with fubahs first response  about proof  when u r making a statement alleging a factual conclusion

    the report stated its inconclusive . u disagree that it is inconclusive . that it is some sort of tinfoil hat wearing chinese bioweapon conspiracy worthy of the other tinfoil hat wearing kooks that lurk in here .  u could b right ultimately . OR NOT !  but  the onus is on u to prove yes prove a statement u made as factual

    and in this particular exchange i see fubah2 being the gentleman here with his subsequent acknowledgement that he pounded the show proof argument more than necessary (even though he is 100% right about that )

    but as u have demonstrated several times stu u just wouldnt let that go at that -- a diff of opinion.   u insist on hammering again what u already said and your final paragraph  is pretty much like showing a guy the middle finger after he extends his hand to shake          got it          u did this   not fubah

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

     

     

    No surprise US intelligence report is inconclusive because of incomplete data.  There is nothing that is a smoking gun.  Little new evidences can be discovered in just 90 days especially since China refuses to be more cooperative.  Not unusual for scientific investigations to take years to find the truth.

     Lab leak theory is more about politics and harder to prove. 

    Scientific consensus hasn't changed and still favors natural origin as more plausible because of stronger evidences. 

    Almost all infectious diseases originate from nature.  For examples, HIV, bird flu, swine flu, influenza, etc. 

    Destruction of wildlife habitats increases the risk of virus spread from animals to humans.

     

    100% agree with u  thirdperson . peace_5

    the report is inconclusive   period   full stop

    but if anyone has proof either way    they should present their proof

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

     

     

    No surprise US intelligence report is inconclusive because of incomplete data.  There is nothing that is a smoking gun.  Little new evidences can be discovered in just 90 days especially since China refuses to be more cooperative.  Not unusual for scientific investigations to take years to find the truth.

     Lab leak theory is more about politics and harder to prove. 

    Scientific consensus hasn't changed and still favors natural origin as more plausible because of stronger evidences. 

    Almost all infectious diseases originate from nature.  For examples, HIV, bird flu, swine flu, influenza, etc. 

    Destruction of wildlife habitats increases the risk of virus spread from animals to humans.

     

    100% agree with u  thirdperson . peace_5

    the report is inconclusive   period   full stop

    but if anyone has proof either way    they should present their proof

     

     
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    story cut & paste from the us sun ::


    VIRUS THEORY
    Covid was NOT developed as a bio weapon,
    US intelligence says in report as experts are split on lab leak theory

    M.L. Nestel
    21:18 ET, Aug 27 2021Updated: 21:18 ET, Aug 27 2021

    THE US intelligence community released an “inconclusive” report, claiming it still doesn’t know if Covid-19 originated in a Chinese lab.

    But most of the agencies who analyzed the origins of the Covid-19 virus were unconvinced it was developed as a bioweapon.
    “We judge the virus was not developed as a biological weapon,” according to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence summary.

    They also suspect that it "probably was not genetically engineered."

     ---

    end of cut & paste story as printed

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    story cut & paste from the us sun ::


    VIRUS THEORY
    Covid was NOT developed as a bio weapon,
    US intelligence says in report as experts are split on lab leak theory

    M.L. Nestel
    21:18 ET, Aug 27 2021Updated: 21:18 ET, Aug 27 2021

    THE US intelligence community released an “inconclusive” report, claiming it still doesn’t know if Covid-19 originated in a Chinese lab.

    But most of the agencies who analyzed the origins of the Covid-19 virus were unconvinced it was developed as a bioweapon.
    “We judge the virus was not developed as a biological weapon,” according to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence summary.

    They also suspect that it "probably was not genetically engineered."

     ---

    end of cut & paste story as printed

     
     
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    cut & paste headline from U.S.NEWS ::


    Intelligence Community Report on Origin of COVID-19 Largely Inconclusive

    Intelligence agencies did agree, however, that the virus was not developed as a biological weapon,

    and most assessed that it was not genetically modified.

    By Claire Hansen

    Aug. 27, 2021, at 5:27 p.m.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-08-27/intelligence-community-report-on-origin-of-covid-19-largely-inconclusive
    ----
    end cut & paste headline from U.S.NEWS

     

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    cut & paste headline from U.S.NEWS ::


    Intelligence Community Report on Origin of COVID-19 Largely Inconclusive

    Intelligence agencies did agree, however, that the virus was not developed as a biological weapon,

    and most assessed that it was not genetically modified.

    By Claire Hansen

    Aug. 27, 2021, at 5:27 p.m.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-08-27/intelligence-community-report-on-origin-of-covid-19-largely-inconclusive
    ----
    end cut & paste headline from U.S.NEWS

     

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