UH-Oh! How low can Biden go ?

looking back I couldn't say the country was that divided for Clinton/GHWB because Ross Perot received 19,741,065 votes!!  How could I forget crazy Colonel Sanders but he got Zero electoral which is why it's not a surprise hearing that democrats want to maybe scratch the 270 electoral votes in favor of the popular vote.  I recall the same talk floating around when Hillary lost to DJT in 2016.  The interesting part is the next census is said to take some electoral votes away from blue states like NY, CA and award them to states like FL and TX since the population moved from one to the other making it harder for the dense cities of blue to make up the difference

Only the future can tell

@joe pockets

 That is a bad read on the situation really.

You can read the situation on any timeline on the history of it.

So, the Democrats get the USA involved in Vietnam and you want to blame the Republicans and Nixon for not getting out?

It had become a quagmire of sorts. 

Nixon absolutely intended to get out.  In fact, he started withdrawing troops within months and never stopped.

The issue became that the USA was now becoming less effective because they were 'relying' on South Vietnam to become efficient on their own.

He even had Kissinger meet with North Vietnamese leaders in an attempt to work out a peace deal.

Then you had the Cambodia situation that directly stemmed from this agitation there.  

Then Nixon even tried to swerve China and the Soviet Union in a different direction, in order to ease their support for North Vietnam.

Finally, he decided a massive show of force was the only way to get the two sides to agree to an agreement.

That, was essentially Goldwater's take on it as well.

For example, his famous quote: 

"To insist on strength, let me impress you, is not warmongering. It is peace-mongering -- the only kind that has ever worked in the whole history of the world."

This was the only way Nixon could find out.

But to 'blame' the Republicans for not getting out right away after the Democrats had got the USA bogged down is disingenuous or simply not understanding the situation.

Obviously, way more detailed and nuanced than that brief bit above.

But it was never a situation where they could just up and leave one day and abandon South Vietnam to whatever happened.

 this

Besides...."Orange Man bad!"

Hillary Clinton was as a Goldwater Girl.

 Put this here

 Truth

Biden will be remembered for mumbling….

According to a new poll by The EconomisAt (covers global economics)...................

Donald Trump has cemented his legacy as one of the most admired modern U.S. presidents. The survey places Trump alongside Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama as the top three leaders of the modern era, with Joe Biden ranking near the bottom.

In the poll, 45% of respondents rated Trump’s presidency as “outstanding” or “above average,” trailing closely behind Obama (49%) and Reagan (54%). Joe Biden, on the other hand, earned a dismal 26% rating, placing him as the third-worst modern president in the eyes of the public.

It is what it is .....................