Online Poker Rigged?

making stuff about me doesnt make your "stories" true.

Just be there on the 12th box

One last time to clear this up since youre so fucking stupid.

I believe your buddy won $500-$1500 while you were watching him in an hours time one day. However you then went on to say that him and his 2 buddies regularly make $500-$1500 each PER HOUR and stop after and hour "not to raise any flags." So youre telling me that theyre making 150-450BBs/hr just cuz theyre colluding "all the time" which is just an absolute lie, just total bullshit. Noone can make 150bbs-450bbs/hr doing anything other than seeing holecards but youre too fucking stupid to know that.

You told me youre friends have a sustem that they make 150bbs-450bbs/hr at the $5/$10. Youre a fucking liar dude, period

Quote Originally Posted by FrozenTundra:


See you on the 12th you ignorant bitch.

See ya the liar

  150-450bbs per hour at the $5/$10

 frozentundra expecting anyone to believe someone makes 150-450bbs/hr consistently

Be honest. You saw your dude win $500-$1500 once. You feel like you took some unnessecary beats the last time you played online, saw me on here defending the online game, and needed to make something up to feel better about the money you lost. Now youre saying the three of the them team up and avg winning 150-450bbs/hr at the $5/$10.

Honestly dude, if you knew jack shit about poker youd realize what a ridiculous statement that is. First of all, colluding with 2 other dudes gives u a minimal edge, if any as dumb as these dudes sound. You act as if knowing 4 other cards in the deck just makes you some MONSTER favorite in any game. For the record, winning 150-450bbs/hr is eqivalent to hitting about .950 over the course of an 162 game baseball season. Its just impossible and if you told a major leaguer that u knew a guy who does like youve told me bout your buddies theyd laugh in your face and call you an idiot also. Its just completely ridiculous and shows your utter lack of poker knowledge for you to even think its possible, let alone come and expect others to believe. Seriously, its just fucking stupidity but, look at the source.

Just admit you saw him win once and u just kinda assumed, embellished, exaggerated the rest and its all good. But if youre gonna stick to your bullshit story then I suggest googleing "see hole card programs." They are programs bein sold on the internet where you can see all the other players at the tables cards for like $50, youre probably the kind of fool who would buy one thinking they work.

Quote Originally Posted by FrozenTundra:

seriously, you're like my ex, always sucking on my balls.

1. I've already stated why I don't play online, I prefer live.
2. Your comparison to hitting .950 in baseball is absolutely stupid and without just merit. You're a douche, and that's it.
3. Yes, they would win this much and yes I witnessed it once, but was shown proof with their withdrawals. Now, did I time how long they played, nope, did I watch'em more than once or twice, nope. When I watched them were they raking in the cash, yup.
4. Simple question - If a guy sits down with 1k, is it possible that he will lose that 1k playing poker in an hour? Whether a good, bad, lucky or unlucky player?  So explain to me then how they could not win (if all went well) $3k in 10min let alone an hour. They are not just raking in blinds you ignorant arrogant fuck?

You seriously are a loser...I'm being genuine, I actually begun to hate you before but more and more I realize that you're just a geek who plays online poker and loves it like may I say "your girlfriend."  ...I know I know, touchy subject.

Get a life. See you May 12th.

FT - why bother?

We're all liars and embellishers.

Avging 150-450bbs/hr is equivalent to hitting .950 over the course of a baseball season. Why would you even argue this when you dont realize what AVERAGING 150-450bbs/hr even is?? That doesnt mean you did it one time, it means thaqts what you avg and thats what you say these guys are doing, which is total horseshit

Heres why I say your story always changes. First you said they do it "for one hour and thats it not to raise flags and they win $1500-$4500 every time"  Now all of a sudden you dont know for sure how long they play, youve only actually seen it once, but youve seen their withdrawals. So, in other words like I said, you saw your buddy win once, then you embellished this fairy tale about playing for 1 hour only and winning 150-450bbs/hr to try and prove your point. Just a total fucking moron you are dude seriously. Your story changes alittle bit each time you tell it. At first you knew for sure it was 1 hour tops and $1500-$4500, now its "im not sure how long and I guess thats what they make cuz I saw some withdrawals." This is why Im such a dick cuz 98% of your story is seriously embellished, if not just made up.

So Im a loser cuz I win online and dont make excuses but youre a "winner" cuz you make shit up and lie about your friends "schemes."  

Why?? Cuz I win money online and dont believe in fairy tales about the sites rigging your little $5 games????

Seriously, if it was up to you fucks this forum would just be all about "I woulda won but the site fucked me" , "man Id be so rich if the tournies didnt pay so top heavy" or "just act dumb tat the table and you'll win lots."  I mean these are the topics you idiots bring to the table!!!

Then when proven winners like myself, and the poster formerly known as ChanceP, come on and try to explain why yoiure losing you idiots just dont listen, start making shit up, calling me names, just cuz YOU cant win online. Thats the only issue is here is thast YOURE not winning. Then I come on and try to explain why and you idiots just start making shit up, go figure

Im an average guy, been around here for a while. you would think when you losing players see me posting you might actually read for once and think "hey this guy wins lets see what he's doing." But instead you guys just think "hes no better player than me, Ive watched every episode of WSOP on TV so Im awesome, the site just fucked me." Its just ridiculous excuses from shitty players

Quote Originally Posted by FrozenTundra:

- you're a "winner"

Here's the dealio stain, I believe my friends and when I wanted to see their claims, I was witness to it.

Please don't compare poker to baseball please b/c it's not equivalent.

just admit you're a moron. seriously...how much do you weigh, 145lb?

lastly, sure my story changes, but the facts are the same, they won on average $500-$1500 every time they played, which was around an hour to not raise flags...sometimes less (woo that'll piss u off huh).

Did I have a camera attached to their head, nope, did I take notes, nope, I told a story, which is based on one fact that I know ...THEY AVERAGED $500-$1500 an hour per session.

BTW - thanks for your poker name, will pass this on to them, maybe they'll find you online and you can see whether you can figure it out. Doubt it...but maybe because you're a Winna

Story changes again, LOL

By the end of this thread it'll be, "Ok I saw them win $100 once" lol

Once again, making shit up about my life, size, blah blah doesnt make your story true but I hope it makes you feel better. Feel free to give your friends my screenname, they can sit at my 1on1 table ANYTIME. Hopefully they can get their money in as good against me as the example you spoke of HAHAHAHAHA

 acting like Im worried about your buddies sitting me. The dudes who lay $2000 to win $1000 on 28% shots!!!!!

Every rebuttal of yours shows how clueless you are about poker!!!!!!!!! Keep em comin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Another "gem" from frozentundra.

How does a story change, yet remain the same??? lol

 He already has ruined the poker site, like Chance P tried to.  I don't necessarily buy into the theory that online poker is rigged, but it obviously COULD be.  You would be naive to think otherwise.  However, Electric has never even remotely proven that it is NOT rigged, and he has shown NOTHING in sample size or hand histories to prove his point. 

So if you are looking for intellectual discussion, Electric offers none.  He erroneously surmises that just because he has good stats at Full Tilt, then everyone else is just a sore loser.  He operates on the false assumption that winners don't complain or question the software like I do, and he rarely is rational. 

This is what you rigtards dont understand. Im not the one who has to prove it isnt rigged, YOU GUYS RAE THE ONE MAKING THE CLAIMS YOU NEED TO PROVE ITS NOT and you cant.

SO funny that lies, false accusations, and flat out lies by losing players  get supported here. But when winning players try to explain why its not rigged and how to win you guys say were ruining the forum.

Also wizard, chancep and his alia (lapdance) out to shame every single wothless point youve "tried" to make. Go toalk to your other donks at your home game about how rigged it is, no winning intelligent player believes it. Thats why you have a lot of believers here on this forum, lots of losing players and gamblers hang out here. I, on the other hand, have proven Im a winning player. You have still yet to do so.

Its kinda like running a business. I have a successful poker business and you have a losing one. Why would your "word" and opinion mean more than mine when youve yet to be successful at he this business??

You have more excuses as to why you dont win online than anyone Ive ever seen. Wizardof(bein a losing player) i think u were named and it fits.

You lose money playing poker. If you won you'd prove it but you cant. I have proven Im a winning player. Now seriously until you bring evidence of your donkish claims then GTFO.

Im surwe here is where youll go off about me being on druge, being a loser, working at mcdonals, blah blah. Anything you cvan say to avoid the evidence topic, thats how u roll

You know its not this at all. Its just Ive played more hands online than probably all of you put together. I used to lose too till I really started working on my game. Then when all the rigtards post their screennames theyre all amatuer players (new to the game) and they lose their initial $50 deposit cuz of a bad beat and just take this "rigged" theory to the grave with them.

Or they start making shit up saying I work for the site. As soon as someone says I work for the site I just start ripping them cuz all that is is them just "reaching" for anything, just basically throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks. Inother words, all bullshit.

I know guys who make serious money online and theyve tracked MILLION of hands looking for ANYTHING shady and its just not there. So then you come on and played for 4 hours last friday and lost due to a bad beat so now all my work and friends research is garbage and were all just schills for the site??? Its just fucking dumb. Its like a guy who has changed oil once walking into an auto nechanic and telling him how to do his job.

Im sure you'll just blow all this off but whatever. If you cant understand this then oh well, I tried to intelligently explain it

 You finally COMPREHENDED something that I posted instead of going on one of your usual erroneous and crazy, "I am a winning player and you are not" rants.  That is one of the RARE intelligent posts that you have made.  For what it is worth, I am a WINNING player, albeit nothing big, and my screen name is "wizardofroz" at PokerStars and Ultimate Bet.

I also abhor people that regularly say a site is rigged, as they are commonly overlooking their poor play.  I am just saying that it is very possible that the software is flawed, just like it is at an online casino.  

It was obvious that Chance P was Lapdance after perusing just one of his arrogant posts.  Electric, kudos again to you for finally having some sort of intellectual discussion in your last post.       

Ya ChanceP even admitted he was Lapdance to you. Honestly, ChanceP and I have been friends since high school so we share a lot of the same views. ChanceP crushes fulltilt and plays for a living thats why he gets so irritated when people cry foul cuz trust me, he was a total donkey for a long time so he knows what its like to log out unhappy each night. Im actually gonna see if somehow he can get re-instated but he'd prbably have to issue an apology to WSC or somebody and Im not sure he'd do that, he really thinks WSC is a box and couldnt believe the way the mods defended that loser lush bodogbecky.

Youve said some ridiculous things in the past about online poker so you saying I finally responded intellugently really doesnt hold much weight with me considering the foolishness and exaggeration and lies youve posted previously but I appreciate the sentiment and I would like to keep our debates more to poker and less personal in the future. So were in agreement about that. Also, I see you have made some money online so honestly I respect your opinion a bit more now than before so thats good. Im also glad you do see how most people just use online as an excuse, thats my main point here. I just dont feel anyone crying rigged has lost money cuz of the site, its their play and we seem to agree on that.

I do get really pissed off at some of these guys though cuz they literally just make shit up. Like that dude soblatant all he ever does is talk about how I work for fulltilt, which is just ridiculous. Then ChanceP issued that challenge  afew months ago and none of these guys stepped up even when there was a free $500 on the line.

Im glad we somewhat smoothed things over. Were probably not as big of mother fucking idiots as we think each other is lol, somewhere in the middle.

GL 

Here's one of those classic finishes:

PokerStars Game #43661497933: Tournament #269802847, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2010/05/05 17:38:18 ET
Table '269802847 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: lbcake (9813 in chips)
Seat 6: davidva80086 (17187 in chips)
lbcake: posts the ante 50
davidva80086: posts the ante 50
davidva80086: posts small blind 300
lbcake: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lbcake [Kd Kc]
davidva80086: raises 1200 to 1800
lbcake: calls 1200
*** FLOP *** [Kh 7c 2c]
lbcake: checks
davidva80086: bets 1800
lbcake: calls 1800
*** TURN *** [Kh 7c 2c] [8d]
lbcake: checks
davidva80086: bets 6600
lbcake: calls 6163 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (437) returned to davidva80086
*** RIVER *** [Kh 7c 2c 8d] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lbcake: shows [Kd Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
davidva80086: shows [Jc Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
davidva80086 collected 19626 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 19626 | Rake 0
Board [Kh 7c 2c 8d Tc]
Seat 1: lbcake (big blind) showed [Kd Kc] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 6: davidva80086 (button) (small blind) showed [Jc Ac] and won (19626) with a flush, Ace high