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    401,000 Americans have SUFFERED horribly, then DIED, from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and ALLOWED to proliferate and kill

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    fubah2
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2021 - 7:53 PM ET #101

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Ny state attorney General...doh underestimated the nursing fiasco by at least 50%.... so cuomo in the 13,000 range of killings...   and he still had time to write a book about leadership during a crisis ... and win an emmy...

     

    CORRECTING the usual inuendo and MISINFORMATION from doggy-doo...

     

    CBS NEWS
    New York State Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker released his own statement
    in response to the report on Thursday. Zucker took issue with James' undercount
    allegation, noting that all COVID-19 deaths are being accounted for based on the
    location they took place, not the victim's origin.

          "The word 'undercount'  implies there are more total fatalities than
           have been reported;  this is factually wrong,"  Zucker wrote. an_light

    "The OAG's report is only referring to the count of people who were in nursing homes
    but transferred to hospitals and later died. The OAG suggests that all should be
    counted as nursing home deaths and not hospital deaths even though they died in
    hospitals," he wrote. "That does not in any way change the total count of deaths
    but is instead a question of allocating the number of deaths between hospitals and
    nursing homes. DOH has consistently made clear that our numbers are reported
    based on the place of death."

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Ny state attorney General...doh underestimated the nursing fiasco by at least 50%.... so cuomo in the 13,000 range of killings...   and he still had time to write a book about leadership during a crisis ... and win an emmy...

     

    CORRECTING the usual inuendo and MISINFORMATION from doggy-doo...

     

    CBS NEWS
    New York State Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker released his own statement
    in response to the report on Thursday. Zucker took issue with James' undercount
    allegation, noting that all COVID-19 deaths are being accounted for based on the
    location they took place, not the victim's origin.

          "The word 'undercount'  implies there are more total fatalities than
           have been reported;  this is factually wrong,"  Zucker wrote. an_light

    "The OAG's report is only referring to the count of people who were in nursing homes
    but transferred to hospitals and later died. The OAG suggests that all should be
    counted as nursing home deaths and not hospital deaths even though they died in
    hospitals," he wrote. "That does not in any way change the total count of deaths
    but is instead a question of allocating the number of deaths between hospitals and
    nursing homes. DOH has consistently made clear that our numbers are reported
    based on the place of death."

     
    scooby-doos
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2021 - 10:38 PM ET #102

    Nope....sorry .... 

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    Nope....sorry .... 

     
    nature1970
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2021 - 11:09 PM ET #103

    You simply can not grasp the under reporting of the world wide death toll that is being caused by this virus.

    Cities not towns are becoming vacant property.

    People are dying with no end in sight.  Places around the world are losing workers and families to death. Economic collapse of trade has happened here we might have some ways to mitigate the economic hardships . Allowing those who without recourse a chance to survive by making evictions illegal and food availible. 

    But that is for some not all. 

    Other places have nothing but mauranding bands of homeless people displaced by economic collapsed economy. 

    Our government corruption is stagger but it like comparing a lake to an ocean co.pared to countries in the world stage. Recognizance photos show many areas many factory and cities are now quiet devoid of people. Wuhan had been a major metropolitan area in China

     Now no open markets few shops or people left. 

    Looks like the funaki area in Japan. Ghost towns.

    Entire areas of Rio dejenario is now silent as the human death toll exceeded 60 percent population for major urban centers.

    New York Broadway boarded up cities music eating venues even the mega structure office buildings are vacant remotely to online services from home.

    Subways cars once packed now have a toothless homeless man by a heater huddled to stay warm as the city economic engines have now drowning in asphexiated economy.

    How the stock market keeps soaring is beyond my scope of reasoning. No job no work no additional spending beyond basic survival. There is no retail service or in person banking industry . 

    Haven't any idea of what companies are showing in any blue chip manufacturing stock. If nothing is being made how shipping companies and logistic are weathering is a mystery. No products or chain supply systems crops gone to spoil as harvesting argriculture has even hit a new low.

    It is obvious this economy jas been a sham of deflection.  As is the entire trump presidency...

    The entire economic system is going to need to be rebooted. It is on life support . But the institutions of capitalism depend on labor. There is now none to be found.

     

     

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    You simply can not grasp the under reporting of the world wide death toll that is being caused by this virus.

    Cities not towns are becoming vacant property.

    People are dying with no end in sight.  Places around the world are losing workers and families to death. Economic collapse of trade has happened here we might have some ways to mitigate the economic hardships . Allowing those who without recourse a chance to survive by making evictions illegal and food availible. 

    But that is for some not all. 

    Other places have nothing but mauranding bands of homeless people displaced by economic collapsed economy. 

    Our government corruption is stagger but it like comparing a lake to an ocean co.pared to countries in the world stage. Recognizance photos show many areas many factory and cities are now quiet devoid of people. Wuhan had been a major metropolitan area in China

     Now no open markets few shops or people left. 

    Looks like the funaki area in Japan. Ghost towns.

    Entire areas of Rio dejenario is now silent as the human death toll exceeded 60 percent population for major urban centers.

    New York Broadway boarded up cities music eating venues even the mega structure office buildings are vacant remotely to online services from home.

    Subways cars once packed now have a toothless homeless man by a heater huddled to stay warm as the city economic engines have now drowning in asphexiated economy.

    How the stock market keeps soaring is beyond my scope of reasoning. No job no work no additional spending beyond basic survival. There is no retail service or in person banking industry . 

    Haven't any idea of what companies are showing in any blue chip manufacturing stock. If nothing is being made how shipping companies and logistic are weathering is a mystery. No products or chain supply systems crops gone to spoil as harvesting argriculture has even hit a new low.

    It is obvious this economy jas been a sham of deflection.  As is the entire trump presidency...

    The entire economic system is going to need to be rebooted. It is on life support . But the institutions of capitalism depend on labor. There is now none to be found.

     

     

     
    KellyM_1964
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2021 - 12:34 AM ET #104

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Ny state attorney General...doh underestimated the nursing fiasco by at least 50%.... so cuomo in the 13,000 range of killings...   and he still had time to write a book about leadership during a crisis ... and win an emmy...

     

     

    CORRECTING the usual inuendo and MISINFORMATION from doggy-doo...

     

    CBS NEWS
    New York State Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker released his own statement
    in response to the report on Thursday. Zucker took issue with James' undercount
    allegation, noting that all COVID-19 deaths are being accounted for based on the
    location they took place, not the victim's origin.

          "The word 'undercount'  implies there are more total fatalities than
           have been reported;  this is factually wrong,"  Zucker wrote. an_light

    "The OAG's report is only referring to the count of people who were in nursing homes
    but transferred to hospitals and later died. The OAG suggests that all should be
    counted as nursing home deaths and not hospital deaths even though they died in
    hospitals," he wrote. "That does not in any way change the total count of deaths
    but is instead a question of allocating the number of deaths between hospitals and
    nursing homes. DOH has consistently made clear that our numbers are reported
    based on the place of death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Ny state attorney General...doh underestimated the nursing fiasco by at least 50%.... so cuomo in the 13,000 range of killings...   and he still had time to write a book about leadership during a crisis ... and win an emmy...

     

     

    CORRECTING the usual inuendo and MISINFORMATION from doggy-doo...

     

    CBS NEWS
    New York State Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker released his own statement
    in response to the report on Thursday. Zucker took issue with James' undercount
    allegation, noting that all COVID-19 deaths are being accounted for based on the
    location they took place, not the victim's origin.

          "The word 'undercount'  implies there are more total fatalities than
           have been reported;  this is factually wrong,"  Zucker wrote. an_light

    "The OAG's report is only referring to the count of people who were in nursing homes
    but transferred to hospitals and later died. The OAG suggests that all should be
    counted as nursing home deaths and not hospital deaths even though they died in
    hospitals," he wrote. "That does not in any way change the total count of deaths
    but is instead a question of allocating the number of deaths between hospitals and
    nursing homes. DOH has consistently made clear that our numbers are reported
    based on the place of death."

                    an_clap

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2021 - 1:07 AM ET #105

    Under reported. Not all deaths are recorded as such. Some habe become a presumed dead count in cause unknown.

    Missing. Over 600,000 individuals go missing in the United States every year. Fortunately, many missing children and adults are quickly found, alive and well. However, tens of thousands of individuals remain missing for more than one year – what many agencies consider “cold cases”.

    These cold cases become presumed dead. 

    The data is from 2018 and its the highest available.

    Let's put this in real life terms. The census begins on the with year the decade in a leadership building teams proptioned to state. 

    Then a vast hiring for canvasses of the entire united states.

    This begins in late 9 and begins the new decade. Every house available or known is mapped and the number and names listed for the purpose of defining a population.

    This work continues until the end of the year and a complication of all data is implemented in the next congressional election cycle as districts and states are redrawn to reflect an accurate picture of who lives in America.

    Many geological research has been drawn to these census records and it has been done since English landed in York maine and Jamestown.virginia.

    Believe it or not there was a lot of live to swell population from our founding fathers and Aboriginal ancestry to the over 300 million would that now reside in the United States.

    Had all people lived and reproduced... We have more on this planet than sustainable . hence the census count the change of population or trends in population transfers from one area to another and back. 

    Urban population growth during expansion and rural population growth during recessionary climates in gross national product. 

    Hence the process of economy to begin with. Economy is based on banks. The flow of money within a system of governance. Fiscal policy management equity and apportion. But the delima is banking does depend on money. It depends on people and their aspirations.

    Money is simply a tool to achieving dream plan execution to a materialistic reality to a thought or idea. 

    I'll give a example some ine wants a house put on a piece of land for his bride. So he with ways and means appraoches a real estate office to inquire. Then to a bank to secure funding for the endeavor then to a city or town government to request planning board approval for permits to create said structure . then to a carpentry team to erect a structure an architectural team to design a structure that will meet city standards.  the to soil civil engineers to create a approved septic plan . to a well driller for the creation of a well. The excavating plumbers electricians land scalpers all with city or town approved licences to submit the entire plan of the dream for planning board approval with a law firms team avaible by closing with the registry of deeds. 

    Not a nail driven still ....

    The go ahead and construction begins the project was actual boards cut in forests and milled in saw mills trucked by real 18 wheels. Real excavators with operators begin breaking ground.. Real cement shows up and is poured the foundation capped... The electricians framers plumbers work around each other as sheet rockers window siding roofine real people doing real things within osha inaurancw standards. And the dream takes shape to what the individual envisioned. 

    It wasn't money it is the weighs and means for reality. But without inspiration of people it is just expensive toilet paper.

     

     

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    Under reported. Not all deaths are recorded as such. Some habe become a presumed dead count in cause unknown.

    Missing. Over 600,000 individuals go missing in the United States every year. Fortunately, many missing children and adults are quickly found, alive and well. However, tens of thousands of individuals remain missing for more than one year – what many agencies consider “cold cases”.

    These cold cases become presumed dead. 

    The data is from 2018 and its the highest available.

    Let's put this in real life terms. The census begins on the with year the decade in a leadership building teams proptioned to state. 

    Then a vast hiring for canvasses of the entire united states.

    This begins in late 9 and begins the new decade. Every house available or known is mapped and the number and names listed for the purpose of defining a population.

    This work continues until the end of the year and a complication of all data is implemented in the next congressional election cycle as districts and states are redrawn to reflect an accurate picture of who lives in America.

    Many geological research has been drawn to these census records and it has been done since English landed in York maine and Jamestown.virginia.

    Believe it or not there was a lot of live to swell population from our founding fathers and Aboriginal ancestry to the over 300 million would that now reside in the United States.

    Had all people lived and reproduced... We have more on this planet than sustainable . hence the census count the change of population or trends in population transfers from one area to another and back. 

    Urban population growth during expansion and rural population growth during recessionary climates in gross national product. 

    Hence the process of economy to begin with. Economy is based on banks. The flow of money within a system of governance. Fiscal policy management equity and apportion. But the delima is banking does depend on money. It depends on people and their aspirations.

    Money is simply a tool to achieving dream plan execution to a materialistic reality to a thought or idea. 

    I'll give a example some ine wants a house put on a piece of land for his bride. So he with ways and means appraoches a real estate office to inquire. Then to a bank to secure funding for the endeavor then to a city or town government to request planning board approval for permits to create said structure . then to a carpentry team to erect a structure an architectural team to design a structure that will meet city standards.  the to soil civil engineers to create a approved septic plan . to a well driller for the creation of a well. The excavating plumbers electricians land scalpers all with city or town approved licences to submit the entire plan of the dream for planning board approval with a law firms team avaible by closing with the registry of deeds. 

    Not a nail driven still ....

    The go ahead and construction begins the project was actual boards cut in forests and milled in saw mills trucked by real 18 wheels. Real excavators with operators begin breaking ground.. Real cement shows up and is poured the foundation capped... The electricians framers plumbers work around each other as sheet rockers window siding roofine real people doing real things within osha inaurancw standards. And the dream takes shape to what the individual envisioned. 

    It wasn't money it is the weighs and means for reality. But without inspiration of people it is just expensive toilet paper.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2021 - 1:21 AM ET #106

    npaper.now within the flow of money all those people that work in construction and subsequently the office that deal in real estate. These people go on to utilize the bank in the purchase of cars and coffee food four wheelers trucks retail and pay taxes. The bank then recycles the money.

    Now with no people. No loans no licenses none can do anything because there is none available. Or simply not around. 

    If we able to vaccinate 200 million Americans by June both doses. We could achieve herd immunity before death count tops 1 million Americans.

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    npaper.now within the flow of money all those people that work in construction and subsequently the office that deal in real estate. These people go on to utilize the bank in the purchase of cars and coffee food four wheelers trucks retail and pay taxes. The bank then recycles the money.

    Now with no people. No loans no licenses none can do anything because there is none available. Or simply not around. 

    If we able to vaccinate 200 million Americans by June both doses. We could achieve herd immunity before death count tops 1 million Americans.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2021 - 1:27 AM ET #107

    believe it or not there are construction projects that has been started on a global scale left unfinished.

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    believe it or not there are construction projects that has been started on a global scale left unfinished.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2021 - 2:19 AM ET #108

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

     

     

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Ny state attorney General...doh underestimated the nursing fiasco by at least 50%.... so cuomo in the 13,000 range of killings...   and he still had time to write a book about leadership during a crisis ... and win an emmy...

     

     

    CORRECTING the usual inuendo and MISINFORMATION from doggy-doo...

     

    CBS NEWS
    New York State Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker released his own statement
    in response to the report on Thursday. Zucker took issue with James' undercount
    allegation, noting that all COVID-19 deaths are being accounted for based on the
    location they took place, not the victim's origin.

          "The word 'undercount'  implies there are more total fatalities than
           have been reported;  this is factually wrong,"  Zucker wrote. an_light

    "The OAG's report is only referring to the count of people who were in nursing homes
    but transferred to hospitals and later died. The OAG suggests that all should be
    counted as nursing home deaths and not hospital deaths even though they died in
    hospitals," he wrote. "That does not in any way change the total count of deaths
    but is instead a question of allocating the number of deaths between hospitals and
    nursing homes. DOH has consistently made clear that our numbers are reported
    based on the place of death."

    And the new covid variant likely to make things even worse all across the country

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

     

     

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Ny state attorney General...doh underestimated the nursing fiasco by at least 50%.... so cuomo in the 13,000 range of killings...   and he still had time to write a book about leadership during a crisis ... and win an emmy...

     

     

    CORRECTING the usual inuendo and MISINFORMATION from doggy-doo...

     

    CBS NEWS
    New York State Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker released his own statement
    in response to the report on Thursday. Zucker took issue with James' undercount
    allegation, noting that all COVID-19 deaths are being accounted for based on the
    location they took place, not the victim's origin.

          "The word 'undercount'  implies there are more total fatalities than
           have been reported;  this is factually wrong,"  Zucker wrote. an_light

    "The OAG's report is only referring to the count of people who were in nursing homes
    but transferred to hospitals and later died. The OAG suggests that all should be
    counted as nursing home deaths and not hospital deaths even though they died in
    hospitals," he wrote. "That does not in any way change the total count of deaths
    but is instead a question of allocating the number of deaths between hospitals and
    nursing homes. DOH has consistently made clear that our numbers are reported
    based on the place of death."

    And the new covid variant likely to make things even worse all across the country

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2021 - 2:40 AM ET #109

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    431,882    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,
                               from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and
                           allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.   

    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.

     

    436,799    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,
    from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and
    allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.   

    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.

     

    trump-regime incompetence and criminal negligence has now killed more Americans
    than were lost during all of WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11 combined

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    431,882    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,
                               from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and
                           allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.   

    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.

     

    436,799    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,
    from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and
    allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.   

    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.

     

    trump-regime incompetence and criminal negligence has now killed more Americans
    than were lost during all of WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11 combined

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2021 - 3:37 AM ET #110

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    436,799    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,
    from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and
    allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.   

    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.

     

    trump-regime incompetence and criminal negligence has now killed more Americans
    than were lost during all of WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11 combined

     

    rumpvirus on target to kill 600,000

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    436,799    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,
    from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and
    allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.   

    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.

     

    trump-regime incompetence and criminal negligence has now killed more Americans
    than were lost during all of WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11 combined

     

    rumpvirus on target to kill 600,000

     
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    Cuomo...."who cares if they died in the hospital, died in a nursing home? They died."

    Still no remorse...still no apologies... ... his executive order responsible ...  

     

    Reply

    Cuomo...."who cares if they died in the hospital, died in a nursing home? They died."

    Still no remorse...still no apologies... ... his executive order responsible ...  

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2021 - 4:40 PM ET #112

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Cuomo...."who cares if they died in the hospital, died in a nursing home? They died." Still no remorse...still no apologies... ... his executive order responsible ...

    TRANSLATION of rumplicker speak: " even though rump was the a$$hole who allowed the virus to spread all over the country in the first place i wont blame him cuz he is republican      so i will blame a democrat "

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Cuomo...."who cares if they died in the hospital, died in a nursing home? They died." Still no remorse...still no apologies... ... his executive order responsible ...

    TRANSLATION of rumplicker speak: " even though rump was the a$$hole who allowed the virus to spread all over the country in the first place i wont blame him cuz he is republican      so i will blame a democrat "

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: Cuomo...."who cares if they died in the hospital, died in a nursing home? They died." Still no remorse...still no apologies... ... his executive order responsible ... TRANSLATION of rumplicker speak: " even though rump was the a$$hole who allowed the virus to spread all over the country in the first place i wont blame him cuz he is republican      so i will blame a democrat "
    Why you always dodge the point that each governor was in charge of their own state. WHAT? NO RESPONSE?

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: Cuomo...."who cares if they died in the hospital, died in a nursing home? They died." Still no remorse...still no apologies... ... his executive order responsible ... TRANSLATION of rumplicker speak: " even though rump was the a$$hole who allowed the virus to spread all over the country in the first place i wont blame him cuz he is republican      so i will blame a democrat "
    Why you always dodge the point that each governor was in charge of their own state. WHAT? NO RESPONSE?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: Cuomo...."who cares if they died in the hospital, died in a nursing home? They died." Still no remorse...still no apologies... ... his executive order responsible ... TRANSLATION of rumplicker speak: " even though rump was the a$$hole who allowed the virus to spread all over the country in the first place i wont blame him cuz he is republican      so i will blame a democrat "Why you always dodge the point that each governor was in charge of their own state. WHAT? NO RESPONSE?
    they ignore what they dont agree with and cant dispute. It is a deflection technique. They only really get involved if they some how draw the victim card...

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: Cuomo...."who cares if they died in the hospital, died in a nursing home? They died." Still no remorse...still no apologies... ... his executive order responsible ... TRANSLATION of rumplicker speak: " even though rump was the a$$hole who allowed the virus to spread all over the country in the first place i wont blame him cuz he is republican      so i will blame a democrat "Why you always dodge the point that each governor was in charge of their own state. WHAT? NO RESPONSE?
    they ignore what they dont agree with and cant dispute. It is a deflection technique. They only really get involved if they some how draw the victim card...

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2021 - 6:18 PM ET #115

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    436,799    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,
    from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and
    allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.   

    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.

     

    trump-regime incompetence and criminal negligence has now killed more Americans
    than were lost during all of WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11 combined

    over 438,444 already mid saturday

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    436,799    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,
    from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and
    allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.   

    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.

     

    trump-regime incompetence and criminal negligence has now killed more Americans
    than were lost during all of WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11 combined

    over 438,444 already mid saturday

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2021 - 6:49 PM ET #116

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:   436,799    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.   trump-regime incompetence and criminal negligence has now killed more Americansthan were lost during all of WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11 combined over 438,444 already mid saturday
    SO YOU ARE DODGING ONCE AGAIN?

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:   436,799    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.   trump-regime incompetence and criminal negligence has now killed more Americansthan were lost during all of WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11 combined over 438,444 already mid saturday
    SO YOU ARE DODGING ONCE AGAIN?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2021 - 7:29 PM ET #117

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    over 438,444 already mid saturday

    438,799    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,
    from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and
    allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.   

    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.

     

    trump-regime incompetence and criminal negligence has now killed more Americans
    than were lost during all of WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11 combined

     

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    over 438,444 already mid saturday

    438,799    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,
    from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and
    allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.   

    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.

     

    trump-regime incompetence and criminal negligence has now killed more Americans
    than were lost during all of WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11 combined

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2021 - 8:04 PM ET #118

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: over 438,444 already mid saturday 438,799    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.   trump-regime incompetence and criminal negligence has now killed more Americansthan were lost during all of WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11 combined
    SO YOUR STILL DODGING

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: over 438,444 already mid saturday 438,799    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.   trump-regime incompetence and criminal negligence has now killed more Americansthan were lost during all of WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11 combined
    SO YOUR STILL DODGING

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2021 - 9:43 PM ET #119

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    438,799    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,
    from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and
    allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.   

    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.

     

    trump-regime incompetence and criminal negligence has now killed more Americans
    than were lost during all of WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11 combined

     

    Massachusetts congressman,
    who was previously vaccinated for Covid-19,
    now tests positive for virus

    The congressman had received a second dose of the Pfizer vaccine and had tested negative
    for Covid-19 before attending President Joe Biden's inauguration on January 20

    Covid-19 vaccines prevent illness, but do not necessarily prevent infection.

     

    **  Good news, bad news deal.
    Good news when a vaccine prevents illness.
    But bad news that the vaccine may not prevent infection so that the person can still become
    a "virus spreader." Just as bad or worse is once innoculated the average dummy will sooner
    or later presume that because he/she is now unlikely to get sick/die that he/she no longer
    needs to follow any covid guidelines -- and so the infection he/she is carrying gets spread
    even more quickly.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    438,799    Americans     have SUFFERED horribly,    then DIED,
    from the virus trump and his accomplices downplayed and
    allowed to proliferate throughout the nation.   

    Millions more SUFFERED illness,    sometimes very severe,    but survived.

     

    trump-regime incompetence and criminal negligence has now killed more Americans
    than were lost during all of WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, 9/11 combined

     

    Massachusetts congressman,
    who was previously vaccinated for Covid-19,
    now tests positive for virus

    The congressman had received a second dose of the Pfizer vaccine and had tested negative
    for Covid-19 before attending President Joe Biden's inauguration on January 20

    Covid-19 vaccines prevent illness, but do not necessarily prevent infection.

     

    **  Good news, bad news deal.
    Good news when a vaccine prevents illness.
    But bad news that the vaccine may not prevent infection so that the person can still become
    a "virus spreader." Just as bad or worse is once innoculated the average dummy will sooner
    or later presume that because he/she is now unlikely to get sick/die that he/she no longer
    needs to follow any covid guidelines -- and so the infection he/she is carrying gets spread
    even more quickly.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2021 - 12:39 AM ET #120

    New pandemic forecast
    projects frightening toll

    (CNN)
    A new forecast from the University of Washington's pandemic forecasting team is frightening.

    More than 430,000 Americans have already died in the pandemic, and even if
    the entire population started doing everything right -- wearing masks, avoiding
    gatherings, staying two arms' lengths away from one another -- the Institute
    for Health Metrics and Evaluation predicts
    at least 130,000 more people would die in the next three months.

    Reply

    New pandemic forecast
    projects frightening toll

    (CNN)
    A new forecast from the University of Washington's pandemic forecasting team is frightening.

    More than 430,000 Americans have already died in the pandemic, and even if
    the entire population started doing everything right -- wearing masks, avoiding
    gatherings, staying two arms' lengths away from one another -- the Institute
    for Health Metrics and Evaluation predicts
    at least 130,000 more people would die in the next three months.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: Ny state attorney General...doh underestimated the nursing fiasco by at least 50%.... so cuomo in the 13,000 range of killings...   and he still had time to write a book about leadership during a crisis ... and win an emmy...   CORRECTING the usual inuendo and MISINFORMATION from doggy-doo...   CBS NEWSNew York State Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker released his own statement in response to the report on Thursday. Zucker took issue with James' undercount allegation, noting that all COVID-19 deaths are being accounted for based on the location they took place, not the victim's origin.       "The word 'undercount'  implies there are more total fatalities than        have been reported;  this is factually wrong,"  Zucker wrote. "The OAG's report is only referring to the count of people who were in nursing homes but transferred to hospitals and later died. The OAG suggests that all should be counted as nursing home deaths and not hospital deaths even though they died in hospitals," he wrote. "That does not in any way change the total count of deaths but is instead a question of allocating the number of deaths between hospitals and nursing homes. DOH has consistently made clear that our numbers are reported based on the place of death."
    It's called covering your own ass. Why do guys insist on defending cuomo. It'smind-boggling and has nothing to do with party affiliation

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: Ny state attorney General...doh underestimated the nursing fiasco by at least 50%.... so cuomo in the 13,000 range of killings...   and he still had time to write a book about leadership during a crisis ... and win an emmy...   CORRECTING the usual inuendo and MISINFORMATION from doggy-doo...   CBS NEWSNew York State Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker released his own statement in response to the report on Thursday. Zucker took issue with James' undercount allegation, noting that all COVID-19 deaths are being accounted for based on the location they took place, not the victim's origin.       "The word 'undercount'  implies there are more total fatalities than        have been reported;  this is factually wrong,"  Zucker wrote. "The OAG's report is only referring to the count of people who were in nursing homes but transferred to hospitals and later died. The OAG suggests that all should be counted as nursing home deaths and not hospital deaths even though they died in hospitals," he wrote. "That does not in any way change the total count of deaths but is instead a question of allocating the number of deaths between hospitals and nursing homes. DOH has consistently made clear that our numbers are reported based on the place of death."
    It's called covering your own ass. Why do guys insist on defending cuomo. It'smind-boggling and has nothing to do with party affiliation

     
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    DODGING

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    DODGING

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2021 - 8:04 AM ET #123

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    Massachusetts congressman,
    who was previously vaccinated for Covid-19,
    now tests positive for virus

    The congressman had received a second dose of the Pfizer vaccine and had tested negative
    for Covid-19 before attending President Joe Biden's inauguration on January 20

    Covid-19 vaccines prevent illness, but do not necessarily prevent infection.

     

    **  Good news, bad news deal.
    Good news when a vaccine prevents illness.
    But bad news that the vaccine may not prevent infection so that the person can still become
    a "virus spreader." Just as bad or worse is once innoculated the average dummy will sooner
    or later presume that because he/she is now unlikely to get sick/die that he/she no longer
    needs to follow any covid guidelines -- and so the infection he/she is carrying gets spread
    even more quickly.

                    an_light

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    Massachusetts congressman,
    who was previously vaccinated for Covid-19,
    now tests positive for virus

    The congressman had received a second dose of the Pfizer vaccine and had tested negative
    for Covid-19 before attending President Joe Biden's inauguration on January 20

    Covid-19 vaccines prevent illness, but do not necessarily prevent infection.

     

    **  Good news, bad news deal.
    Good news when a vaccine prevents illness.
    But bad news that the vaccine may not prevent infection so that the person can still become
    a "virus spreader." Just as bad or worse is once innoculated the average dummy will sooner
    or later presume that because he/she is now unlikely to get sick/die that he/she no longer
    needs to follow any covid guidelines -- and so the infection he/she is carrying gets spread
    even more quickly.

                    an_light

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    believe it or not there are construction projects that has been started on a global scale left unfinished.

    There are many nations who have not received a vaccine dose yet. 95 percent of all vaccine manufactured have gone to the 10 richest nations of which the highest UK. Jas been able to vaccinate 12 percent of its individuals. 

    Vaccine manufacturing of the three approved vaccines 

    Moderna , astra zeneca , Pfizer , and to be joined with Johnson and Johnson is now exceeding 1 million doses a day.  The Johnson and Johnson is a one dose with an effect rate of 72 percent and against the south African variant 56 % which still exceeds the FDA position of 50 percent.

    We need 15 billion doses of the serum to get the needed 2 dose or one dose with Johnson and Johnson to the world .

    What happens to one or even the least happens to all.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    believe it or not there are construction projects that has been started on a global scale left unfinished.

    There are many nations who have not received a vaccine dose yet. 95 percent of all vaccine manufactured have gone to the 10 richest nations of which the highest UK. Jas been able to vaccinate 12 percent of its individuals. 

    Vaccine manufacturing of the three approved vaccines 

    Moderna , astra zeneca , Pfizer , and to be joined with Johnson and Johnson is now exceeding 1 million doses a day.  The Johnson and Johnson is a one dose with an effect rate of 72 percent and against the south African variant 56 % which still exceeds the FDA position of 50 percent.

    We need 15 billion doses of the serum to get the needed 2 dose or one dose with Johnson and Johnson to the world .

    What happens to one or even the least happens to all.

     
     
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    Will it make you feel better if this doubles within bidens first 200 days. It is possible to see a million deaths before September 1st.... Rate infection causes x hospitalizations that cause a numbers of deaths with the hospitalization at max capacity and a acceleration of infection rates than the percentage of infection death accelerates.

    No more blaming trump failed policy... We need to accelerate manufacturing capability on a world scale and make this vaccine within front line nations across the Globe.

    https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2020/12/15/covid19-coronavirus-vaccine-covaxi-who/

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    Will it make you feel better if this doubles within bidens first 200 days. It is possible to see a million deaths before September 1st.... Rate infection causes x hospitalizations that cause a numbers of deaths with the hospitalization at max capacity and a acceleration of infection rates than the percentage of infection death accelerates.

    No more blaming trump failed policy... We need to accelerate manufacturing capability on a world scale and make this vaccine within front line nations across the Globe.

    https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2020/12/15/covid19-coronavirus-vaccine-covaxi-who/

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