To Democrats: How do you re-elect someone like Nancy Pelosi?
To Republicans: How do you re-elect someone like Mitch McConnell?
Is it simply just towing the party line? Is that what we've been reduced to? I mean, McConnell was running against a freakin' fighter pilot with combat experience. And he's a horrible human being. Pelosi is a horrible human being. Please explain to me their re-elections.
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To Democrats: How do you re-elect someone like Nancy Pelosi?
To Republicans: How do you re-elect someone like Mitch McConnell?
Is it simply just towing the party line? Is that what we've been reduced to? I mean, McConnell was running against a freakin' fighter pilot with combat experience. And he's a horrible human being. Pelosi is a horrible human being. Please explain to me their re-elections.
Our process is broken. We should be attracting the best and we rarely (if ever) do. I have no observation of the solution, only a very obvious suggestion that what we have does not put our best people in office.
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Our process is broken. We should be attracting the best and we rarely (if ever) do. I have no observation of the solution, only a very obvious suggestion that what we have does not put our best people in office.
two words: term limits. I know this doesn't answer the question but it is a solution.
Term limits. Doing away with a two party system. All of these are answers but I guess what i'm getting at is that we already have an answer. A vote. The electorate does not have to vote for these people. Why does it? Why do people, on both sides, vote against their interest? Why do we vote against the greater good of the society? Part of it is that we are collectively stupid. Uninformed. Misinformed, what have you, but to look at the case of Pelosi, there was literally another democratic candidate.
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Quote Originally Posted by sportschat:
two words: term limits. I know this doesn't answer the question but it is a solution.
Term limits. Doing away with a two party system. All of these are answers but I guess what i'm getting at is that we already have an answer. A vote. The electorate does not have to vote for these people. Why does it? Why do people, on both sides, vote against their interest? Why do we vote against the greater good of the society? Part of it is that we are collectively stupid. Uninformed. Misinformed, what have you, but to look at the case of Pelosi, there was literally another democratic candidate.
You gotta do away with all the money from corporations and lobbyist,its just buying the way these politicians are going to vote.The politicians are always gonna vote the way the people that are paying them,want them to vote no matter if it's good for the country or not.These lobbyist basically own the politician at that point.A corporation is only going to care about itself and the stockholders,not really whats best for the whole country and it's citizens.
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You gotta do away with all the money from corporations and lobbyist,its just buying the way these politicians are going to vote.The politicians are always gonna vote the way the people that are paying them,want them to vote no matter if it's good for the country or not.These lobbyist basically own the politician at that point.A corporation is only going to care about itself and the stockholders,not really whats best for the whole country and it's citizens.
Our process is broken. We should be attracting the best and we rarely (if ever) do. I have no observation of the solution, only a very obvious suggestion that what we have does not put our best people in office.
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by sportschat: two words: term limits. I know this doesn't answer the question but it is a solution. Term limits. Doing away with a two party system. All of these are answers but I guess what i'm getting at is that we already have an answer. A vote. The electorate does not have to vote for these people. Why does it? Why do people, on both sides, vote against their interest? Why do we vote against the greater good of the society? Part of it is that we are collectively stupid. Uninformed. Misinformed, what have you, but to look at the case of Pelosi, there was literally another democratic candidate.
Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:
You gotta do away with all the money from corporations and lobbyist,its just buying the way these politicians are going to vote.The politicians are always gonna vote the way the people that are paying them,want them to vote no matter if it's good for the country or not.These lobbyist basically own the politician at that point.A corporation is only going to care about itself and the stockholders,not really whats best for the whole country and it's citizens.
100% truth in all of this....the system is broken and the machine will just continue in the same perpetual cycle we have witnessed in modern history. Viva la revolucion.... literally or figuratively, however you want to see it but it's not about one person fixing or changing anything.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Our process is broken. We should be attracting the best and we rarely (if ever) do. I have no observation of the solution, only a very obvious suggestion that what we have does not put our best people in office.
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by sportschat: two words: term limits. I know this doesn't answer the question but it is a solution. Term limits. Doing away with a two party system. All of these are answers but I guess what i'm getting at is that we already have an answer. A vote. The electorate does not have to vote for these people. Why does it? Why do people, on both sides, vote against their interest? Why do we vote against the greater good of the society? Part of it is that we are collectively stupid. Uninformed. Misinformed, what have you, but to look at the case of Pelosi, there was literally another democratic candidate.
Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:
You gotta do away with all the money from corporations and lobbyist,its just buying the way these politicians are going to vote.The politicians are always gonna vote the way the people that are paying them,want them to vote no matter if it's good for the country or not.These lobbyist basically own the politician at that point.A corporation is only going to care about itself and the stockholders,not really whats best for the whole country and it's citizens.
100% truth in all of this....the system is broken and the machine will just continue in the same perpetual cycle we have witnessed in modern history. Viva la revolucion.... literally or figuratively, however you want to see it but it's not about one person fixing or changing anything.
I was just having a conversation with my 14 year old son today about how worthless both US and Canada political systems are. Some many people vote against other party as opposed to voting for a candidate they think will bring change. The fact that Trump, Clinton and Biden were choices in last two elections is so facked up.
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I was just having a conversation with my 14 year old son today about how worthless both US and Canada political systems are. Some many people vote against other party as opposed to voting for a candidate they think will bring change. The fact that Trump, Clinton and Biden were choices in last two elections is so facked up.
Term limits would be a good start and like was mention our leaders are bought and paid for,term limits over time could deal with some of that but also they need to change a few rules,one being that law makers are immune from the laws they make and they should not be getting medical and pension just because they won a term.All an elected leader in the House does from day one of winning starts doing their campaign plans and working on donations for the next time they have to run,only time they go to the places that elected them are for fund raiser so when do they work for the people that voted for them.
McConnell from Kentucky since 1985,this guy has done nothing for those people and he has not even tried to raise the minimum wage as it is still the same as the federal,7.25 an hour,and he was the one saying that nobody needed a second stimulus from Govt.,I would have to think that to me that shows exactly who he is helping,not the voters but the people that hire those workers,but they keep voting him in,I can not even make up a reason why.The money people own him IMO.
Get rid of the law that lets lobbyist give them any amount of money from a company without having to say who it is and put limits on amount anyone or Company can donate,10 grand would be a good limit once a year only,we need a political revolution in this Country and some of this stuff could at least be a change,but I am to old to know the answers to how to do this.
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Term limits would be a good start and like was mention our leaders are bought and paid for,term limits over time could deal with some of that but also they need to change a few rules,one being that law makers are immune from the laws they make and they should not be getting medical and pension just because they won a term.All an elected leader in the House does from day one of winning starts doing their campaign plans and working on donations for the next time they have to run,only time they go to the places that elected them are for fund raiser so when do they work for the people that voted for them.
McConnell from Kentucky since 1985,this guy has done nothing for those people and he has not even tried to raise the minimum wage as it is still the same as the federal,7.25 an hour,and he was the one saying that nobody needed a second stimulus from Govt.,I would have to think that to me that shows exactly who he is helping,not the voters but the people that hire those workers,but they keep voting him in,I can not even make up a reason why.The money people own him IMO.
Get rid of the law that lets lobbyist give them any amount of money from a company without having to say who it is and put limits on amount anyone or Company can donate,10 grand would be a good limit once a year only,we need a political revolution in this Country and some of this stuff could at least be a change,but I am to old to know the answers to how to do this.
O and Nancy and McConnell have both been in there too long,good news is we are looking like Trump is gone but Biden will not have much power to do much unless he gets more control in 2 years.
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O and Nancy and McConnell have both been in there too long,good news is we are looking like Trump is gone but Biden will not have much power to do much unless he gets more control in 2 years.
I really dont know how people can say republicans and democrats are the same. Democrats have gone so far left its unreal. If there was a normal democrat running i wouldnt care if democrats won. But joe biden and kamala harris, that is the most disgusting pair of idiots i ever seen. People only hate trump cuz hollywood abd media told them too. They are sheep. Well why is he bad, look at him hes racist! Im a minority my kid and my wife my whole family iranian or black. We all voted for trump cuz democrats like biden are way too far left. Why do you think cubans vote for trump why do u think more minorities than ever voted for trumo. Why do you think every single poll was off. Being that far left is a turn off man its not America. One day before the election kamala who isnt even fucking black starts talking about equity. Even her own dad said he doesnt agree with anything she says cuz of identity politics she pushes. Republicans arent perfect but this democrat party is a complete disgrace to anyone with a brain. Anyone who thinks rational. People hate trump cuz hes mean, if thats your biggest worry in life you are either 18-22 years old or u believe in white supremacy.
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I really dont know how people can say republicans and democrats are the same. Democrats have gone so far left its unreal. If there was a normal democrat running i wouldnt care if democrats won. But joe biden and kamala harris, that is the most disgusting pair of idiots i ever seen. People only hate trump cuz hollywood abd media told them too. They are sheep. Well why is he bad, look at him hes racist! Im a minority my kid and my wife my whole family iranian or black. We all voted for trump cuz democrats like biden are way too far left. Why do you think cubans vote for trump why do u think more minorities than ever voted for trumo. Why do you think every single poll was off. Being that far left is a turn off man its not America. One day before the election kamala who isnt even fucking black starts talking about equity. Even her own dad said he doesnt agree with anything she says cuz of identity politics she pushes. Republicans arent perfect but this democrat party is a complete disgrace to anyone with a brain. Anyone who thinks rational. People hate trump cuz hes mean, if thats your biggest worry in life you are either 18-22 years old or u believe in white supremacy.
Oh and any white person with BLM signs and white silence is violence signs only hurt black people in bad neighborhoods where im from. All this racism talk just makes it worse for my family. White ppl like dont help anything. Intersectional ideology is trash and anyone who supports it is sick. Stop making black ppl into victims and stop thinking by electing some fakeass black woman and the racial jungle guy that that will solve racism cuz to you trump is racist. It wont fix shit it will only make ppl more racist.
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Oh and any white person with BLM signs and white silence is violence signs only hurt black people in bad neighborhoods where im from. All this racism talk just makes it worse for my family. White ppl like dont help anything. Intersectional ideology is trash and anyone who supports it is sick. Stop making black ppl into victims and stop thinking by electing some fakeass black woman and the racial jungle guy that that will solve racism cuz to you trump is racist. It wont fix shit it will only make ppl more racist.
East,no I hate Trump because his tax break for the rich killed middle class homeowners,I paid more income tax under Trump then I have in 20 years,you need more info,and the Real Rich got 434 billion in tax breaks.There was so much more Trump and McConnell in 4 more years could have done to hurt workers to me Biden is worth a look, and I guess you agree that the way he is acting while losing is awesome to huh.
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East,no I hate Trump because his tax break for the rich killed middle class homeowners,I paid more income tax under Trump then I have in 20 years,you need more info,and the Real Rich got 434 billion in tax breaks.There was so much more Trump and McConnell in 4 more years could have done to hurt workers to me Biden is worth a look, and I guess you agree that the way he is acting while losing is awesome to huh.
who really knows what's the truth is anymore. Look at that 60 minutes interview both sides manipulated it for their own views. Both sides spin shit so well its creating a toxic environment. Confusion confusion confusion.
Read Matt Taibbi's book, Hate, inc. It's about this very thing.
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Quote Originally Posted by shagilious:
who really knows what's the truth is anymore. Look at that 60 minutes interview both sides manipulated it for their own views. Both sides spin shit so well its creating a toxic environment. Confusion confusion confusion.
Read Matt Taibbi's book, Hate, inc. It's about this very thing.
Oh and any white person with BLM signs and white silence is violence signs only hurt black people in bad neighborhoods where im from. All this racism talk just makes it worse for my family. White ppl like dont help anything. Intersectional ideology is trash and anyone who supports it is sick. Stop making black ppl into victims and stop thinking by electing some fakeass black woman and the racial jungle guy that that will solve racism cuz to you trump is racist. It wont fix shit it will only make ppl more racist.
What neighborhood is that?
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Quote Originally Posted by EastOakland:
Oh and any white person with BLM signs and white silence is violence signs only hurt black people in bad neighborhoods where im from. All this racism talk just makes it worse for my family. White ppl like dont help anything. Intersectional ideology is trash and anyone who supports it is sick. Stop making black ppl into victims and stop thinking by electing some fakeass black woman and the racial jungle guy that that will solve racism cuz to you trump is racist. It wont fix shit it will only make ppl more racist.
I dont give a fuck how he acts. Im not big on feelings and oh he said this im so sad. But the tax break did hurt middle class, my dad said the same thing. But he still wanted Trump to win because he moved here from Iran and he doesnt like the left at all. He said it reminds him of Iran and its more important to him than tax breaks. Also if u think bidens tax plan is going to help you or small businesses u are a moron. But judging by what u said about how trump is acting you are another white leftist softy with zero backbone. If you cant denounce BLM and antifa then cry about non existent white supremacy, im not voting for you. Plus biden picked his VP cuz shes “black”... shits disgusting to me. She is worse than biden... i cant think of anyone worse other than that fat cu.nt from georgia.
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I dont give a fuck how he acts. Im not big on feelings and oh he said this im so sad. But the tax break did hurt middle class, my dad said the same thing. But he still wanted Trump to win because he moved here from Iran and he doesnt like the left at all. He said it reminds him of Iran and its more important to him than tax breaks. Also if u think bidens tax plan is going to help you or small businesses u are a moron. But judging by what u said about how trump is acting you are another white leftist softy with zero backbone. If you cant denounce BLM and antifa then cry about non existent white supremacy, im not voting for you. Plus biden picked his VP cuz shes “black”... shits disgusting to me. She is worse than biden... i cant think of anyone worse other than that fat cu.nt from georgia.
High st, east oakland. I also lived for a while on 8th ave-east 20th. Fairfax and foothill. I just moved because crime was too much. Had way too many shootings in front of my house. And the police would only show up for a shooting nothjng else. Why do u think that is? They been defunding the police for years in oakland and they need triple the funding in that trash can. Ppl playing loud music constantly and no respect for others. Just a complete clown show of a city. Hopefully i can move out of California, but it isnt easy. But believe me i will do anything to never live in Oakland again. I wouldnt even live in nice parts of Oakland because too many white ppl have BLM signs in their yard or window. Those ppl are sick and help aid in the destruction of the black community. Ppl think its all fun and games till ur ass gets smoked. Theres no fun and games and theres no community respect in oakland. Democrats want to keep minorities poor so they keep blindly voting that way. They stopped caring about helping because welfare is not helping and never did. Stengthening the police is the ONLY thing that helps these communities and im an ex felon. Ive had no knock warrants on mh house and jve been arrested many times. Zero problem because i comply. People need to live in reality.
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High st, east oakland. I also lived for a while on 8th ave-east 20th. Fairfax and foothill. I just moved because crime was too much. Had way too many shootings in front of my house. And the police would only show up for a shooting nothjng else. Why do u think that is? They been defunding the police for years in oakland and they need triple the funding in that trash can. Ppl playing loud music constantly and no respect for others. Just a complete clown show of a city. Hopefully i can move out of California, but it isnt easy. But believe me i will do anything to never live in Oakland again. I wouldnt even live in nice parts of Oakland because too many white ppl have BLM signs in their yard or window. Those ppl are sick and help aid in the destruction of the black community. Ppl think its all fun and games till ur ass gets smoked. Theres no fun and games and theres no community respect in oakland. Democrats want to keep minorities poor so they keep blindly voting that way. They stopped caring about helping because welfare is not helping and never did. Stengthening the police is the ONLY thing that helps these communities and im an ex felon. Ive had no knock warrants on mh house and jve been arrested many times. Zero problem because i comply. People need to live in reality.
@StumpTownStu High st, east oakland. I also lived for a while on 8th ave-east 20th. Fairfax and foothill. I just moved because crime was too much. Had way too many shootings in front of my house. And the police would only show up for a shooting nothjng else. Why do u think that is? They been defunding the police for years in oakland and they need triple the funding in that trash can. Ppl playing loud music constantly and no respect for others. Just a complete clown show of a city. Hopefully i can move out of California, but it isnt easy. But believe me i will do anything to never live in Oakland again. I wouldnt even live in nice parts of Oakland because too many white ppl have BLM signs in their yard or window. Those ppl are sick and help aid in the destruction of the black community. Ppl think its all fun and games till ur ass gets smoked. Theres no fun and games and theres no community respect in oakland. Democrats want to keep minorities poor so they keep blindly voting that way. They stopped caring about helping because welfare is not helping and never did. Stengthening the police is the ONLY thing that helps these communities and im an ex felon. Ive had no knock warrants on mh house and jve been arrested many times. Zero problem because i comply. People need to live in reality.
It's my hometown. I'd probably never live there again but for different reason. Not so much because of crime. Or for politics. Mainly because if transplants. The homeless issue as well but that came with the transplants. Wasn't like that when I was growing up. As far as OPD, they get money hand over fist. I know cops who rake it in. They just suck at their jobs, collectively. Low solve rate, high misconduct rate. They have sucked for years.
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Quote Originally Posted by EastOakland:
@StumpTownStu High st, east oakland. I also lived for a while on 8th ave-east 20th. Fairfax and foothill. I just moved because crime was too much. Had way too many shootings in front of my house. And the police would only show up for a shooting nothjng else. Why do u think that is? They been defunding the police for years in oakland and they need triple the funding in that trash can. Ppl playing loud music constantly and no respect for others. Just a complete clown show of a city. Hopefully i can move out of California, but it isnt easy. But believe me i will do anything to never live in Oakland again. I wouldnt even live in nice parts of Oakland because too many white ppl have BLM signs in their yard or window. Those ppl are sick and help aid in the destruction of the black community. Ppl think its all fun and games till ur ass gets smoked. Theres no fun and games and theres no community respect in oakland. Democrats want to keep minorities poor so they keep blindly voting that way. They stopped caring about helping because welfare is not helping and never did. Stengthening the police is the ONLY thing that helps these communities and im an ex felon. Ive had no knock warrants on mh house and jve been arrested many times. Zero problem because i comply. People need to live in reality.
It's my hometown. I'd probably never live there again but for different reason. Not so much because of crime. Or for politics. Mainly because if transplants. The homeless issue as well but that came with the transplants. Wasn't like that when I was growing up. As far as OPD, they get money hand over fist. I know cops who rake it in. They just suck at their jobs, collectively. Low solve rate, high misconduct rate. They have sucked for years.
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