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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2023 - 10:08 PM ET #376

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @Sidehatch  By the way. Did you ever figure out what was going on?  Didn’t you sell your house a while ago?

    Oh yes, the great Trump tax scam increased my taxes by $15-20k a year. If someone can get that overturned and all my additional income tax refunded, I will buy them a $60k boat. Sadly I don’t think that’s happening. 
    Trump’s tax hikes in blue states were the biggest of a lifetime for millions, all so we could subsidize red states. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @Sidehatch  By the way. Did you ever figure out what was going on?  Didn’t you sell your house a while ago?

    Oh yes, the great Trump tax scam increased my taxes by $15-20k a year. If someone can get that overturned and all my additional income tax refunded, I will buy them a $60k boat. Sadly I don’t think that’s happening. 
    Trump’s tax hikes in blue states were the biggest of a lifetime for millions, all so we could subsidize red states. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2023 - 10:11 PM ET #377

    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelKlink:

    Centrist? From your brain to your mouth, something goes off course must be the conditioning

    Centrist = someone with politics in the middle of the political spectrum.

    Those DJT bootlickers most definitely aren’t centrists. It’s probably why the more moderate wing of the GOP is happy to kick his fat arse to the curb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelKlink:

    Centrist? From your brain to your mouth, something goes off course must be the conditioning

    Centrist = someone with politics in the middle of the political spectrum.

    Those DJT bootlickers most definitely aren’t centrists. It’s probably why the more moderate wing of the GOP is happy to kick his fat arse to the curb.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2023 - 11:08 PM ET #378

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Dementia Joe went to Wisconsin today & spewed the same lie about SS/Medicare that he was called out for less than 24 hours ago. Does he think people are stupid or has his mental acuity diminished even more than we know?  This is getting ridiculous..........but the dems keep trying to cover for him. He needs to be taken into a med center.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/WadeMiller_USMC/status/1623317856468303875?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1623317856468303875%7Ctwgr%5Ecccdae1a316bb3fca6cadadbfcf3c0450922ddcd%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fbiden-introduced-bill-sunset-all-federal-programs-including-social-security

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Dementia Joe went to Wisconsin today & spewed the same lie about SS/Medicare that he was called out for less than 24 hours ago. Does he think people are stupid or has his mental acuity diminished even more than we know?  This is getting ridiculous..........but the dems keep trying to cover for him. He needs to be taken into a med center.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/WadeMiller_USMC/status/1623317856468303875?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1623317856468303875%7Ctwgr%5Ecccdae1a316bb3fca6cadadbfcf3c0450922ddcd%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fbiden-introduced-bill-sunset-all-federal-programs-including-social-security

     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2023 - 11:38 PM ET #379

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @Sidehatch  By the way. Did you ever figure out what was going on?  Didn’t you sell your house a while ago? Oh yes, the great Trump tax scam increased my taxes by $15-20k a year. If someone can get that overturned and all my additional income tax refunded, I will buy them a $60k boat. Sadly I don’t think that’s happening. Trump’s tax hikes in blue states were the biggest of a lifetime for millions, all so we could subsidize red states.

     

    You should have your guys look at why that was?  It cannot be your federal income tax bracket.  For example, the highest bracket actually went down from 39.6% to 37%.  Now, if the deductions that you were using to reduce your taxable income were all of a sudden done away with or disallowed, then that would change it.  If you sold a house or investments and had to pay capital gains taxes, then that would change it.

    But if you your income was the exact same then your federal tax bill would have gone down.  So, it has to be the change in your deductions.  But that is something you Leftists want to get rid of anyway:  “All the loopholes for the rich”.  Because with a tax increase like you had you are doing very well.

    Now if the SALT deductions are something that affected you — isn’t that a you problem or at the most your state’s problem?

    I think most people should be for a more simplified tax code.  Those were the people that complained about the rich having all of these write-offs and will not have that complaint.

    So, since your Federal income tax rate actually went down it has to be the residual things and NOT the Federal Income Tax rate cut that increased your tax bill.

    To be fair, it seems as if you were in the exact income range that was targeted to help the lower and middle income tax payers because of a perceived tax-advantage for the rich.

    Either way, that increase is enough that I would have them look into it.  

    You can look a little yourself if you are somewhat aware of all of your deductions and things like that.  There are several places you can do this online.  For example:

     

    https://www.priortax.com

     

    But I am not sure how many of the targeted benefit groups will feel sorry for you ‘having to pay your fair share’.  That is the way that it will seem to them.  

    But I am still interested in what you find out caused this large of a leap for you.  It seems something could be wrong.  Very unusual indeed. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @Sidehatch  By the way. Did you ever figure out what was going on?  Didn’t you sell your house a while ago? Oh yes, the great Trump tax scam increased my taxes by $15-20k a year. If someone can get that overturned and all my additional income tax refunded, I will buy them a $60k boat. Sadly I don’t think that’s happening. Trump’s tax hikes in blue states were the biggest of a lifetime for millions, all so we could subsidize red states.

     

    You should have your guys look at why that was?  It cannot be your federal income tax bracket.  For example, the highest bracket actually went down from 39.6% to 37%.  Now, if the deductions that you were using to reduce your taxable income were all of a sudden done away with or disallowed, then that would change it.  If you sold a house or investments and had to pay capital gains taxes, then that would change it.

    But if you your income was the exact same then your federal tax bill would have gone down.  So, it has to be the change in your deductions.  But that is something you Leftists want to get rid of anyway:  “All the loopholes for the rich”.  Because with a tax increase like you had you are doing very well.

    Now if the SALT deductions are something that affected you — isn’t that a you problem or at the most your state’s problem?

    I think most people should be for a more simplified tax code.  Those were the people that complained about the rich having all of these write-offs and will not have that complaint.

    So, since your Federal income tax rate actually went down it has to be the residual things and NOT the Federal Income Tax rate cut that increased your tax bill.

    To be fair, it seems as if you were in the exact income range that was targeted to help the lower and middle income tax payers because of a perceived tax-advantage for the rich.

    Either way, that increase is enough that I would have them look into it.  

    You can look a little yourself if you are somewhat aware of all of your deductions and things like that.  There are several places you can do this online.  For example:

     

    https://www.priortax.com

     

    But I am not sure how many of the targeted benefit groups will feel sorry for you ‘having to pay your fair share’.  That is the way that it will seem to them.  

    But I am still interested in what you find out caused this large of a leap for you.  It seems something could be wrong.  Very unusual indeed. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2023 - 2:06 AM ET #380

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Dementia Joe went to Wisconsin today & spewed the same lie about SS/Medicare that he was called out for less than 24 hours ago. Does he think people are stupid or has his mental acuity diminished even more than we know?  This is getting ridiculous..........but the dems keep trying to cover for him. He needs to be taken into a med center.

    It was against this backdrop that Scott turned to Twitter this morning, standing by his plan to sunset “all federal legislation” after five years. “If a law is worth keeping,” the Floridian wrote,  “Congress can pass it again.”

    Scott added this morning, however, that this doesn’t mean he wants to “cut” Social Security and Medicare. Perhaps not, but that’s beside the point: The senator’s plan was (and is) controversial for a variety of reasons, including the fact that it would sunset the popular social insurance programs, not “cut” them. That’s what Biden said in his address, and it remains accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Dementia Joe went to Wisconsin today & spewed the same lie about SS/Medicare that he was called out for less than 24 hours ago. Does he think people are stupid or has his mental acuity diminished even more than we know?  This is getting ridiculous..........but the dems keep trying to cover for him. He needs to be taken into a med center.

    It was against this backdrop that Scott turned to Twitter this morning, standing by his plan to sunset “all federal legislation” after five years. “If a law is worth keeping,” the Floridian wrote,  “Congress can pass it again.”

    Scott added this morning, however, that this doesn’t mean he wants to “cut” Social Security and Medicare. Perhaps not, but that’s beside the point: The senator’s plan was (and is) controversial for a variety of reasons, including the fact that it would sunset the popular social insurance programs, not “cut” them. That’s what Biden said in his address, and it remains accurate.

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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2023 - 3:35 AM ET #381

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Dementia Joe went to Wisconsin today & spewed the same lie about SS/Medicare that he was called out for less than 24 hours ago. Does he think people are stupid or has his mental acuity diminished even more than we know?  This is getting ridiculous..........but the dems keep trying to cover for him. He needs to be taken into a med center. It was against this backdrop that Scott turned to Twitter this morning, standing by his plan to sunset “all federal legislation” after five years. “If a law is worth keeping,” the Floridian wrote,  “Congress can pass it again.” Scott added this morning, however, that this doesn’t mean he wants to “cut” Social Security and Medicare. Perhaps not, but that’s beside the point: The senator’s plan was (and is) controversial for a variety of reasons, including the fact that it would sunset the popular social insurance programs, not “cut” them. That’s what Biden said in his address, and it remains accurate.

    Biden was/is absolutely correct.  He even showed on live TV the document that proves it.

    Also circulating is a video clip of Mike Lee explaining how he wants to see it all ended (entitlements)

    Biden never said this was the platform of the entire republican party.  In fact he was very precise in his word choice, saying *some* republicans and that it was "not the majority"  This too is on videotape.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Dementia Joe went to Wisconsin today & spewed the same lie about SS/Medicare that he was called out for less than 24 hours ago. Does he think people are stupid or has his mental acuity diminished even more than we know?  This is getting ridiculous..........but the dems keep trying to cover for him. He needs to be taken into a med center. It was against this backdrop that Scott turned to Twitter this morning, standing by his plan to sunset “all federal legislation” after five years. “If a law is worth keeping,” the Floridian wrote,  “Congress can pass it again.” Scott added this morning, however, that this doesn’t mean he wants to “cut” Social Security and Medicare. Perhaps not, but that’s beside the point: The senator’s plan was (and is) controversial for a variety of reasons, including the fact that it would sunset the popular social insurance programs, not “cut” them. That’s what Biden said in his address, and it remains accurate.

    Biden was/is absolutely correct.  He even showed on live TV the document that proves it.

    Also circulating is a video clip of Mike Lee explaining how he wants to see it all ended (entitlements)

    Biden never said this was the platform of the entire republican party.  In fact he was very precise in his word choice, saying *some* republicans and that it was "not the majority"  This too is on videotape.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2023 - 9:41 AM ET #382

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Dementia Joe went to Wisconsin today & spewed the same lie about SS/Medicare that he was called out for less than 24 hours ago. Does he think people are stupid or has his mental acuity diminished even more than we know?  This is getting ridiculous..........but the dems keep trying to cover for him. He needs to be taken into a med center. It was against this backdrop that Scott turned to Twitter this morning, standing by his plan to sunset “all federal legislation” after five years. “If a law is worth keeping,” the Floridian wrote,  “Congress can pass it again.” Scott added this morning, however, that this doesn’t mean he wants to “cut” Social Security and Medicare. Perhaps not, but that’s beside the point: The senator’s plan was (and is) controversial for a variety of reasons, including the fact that it would sunset the popular social insurance programs, not “cut” them. That’s what Biden said in his address, and it remains accurate.

     

    That kind of proposal floats around every year. Biden as Senator tried it four times. To bring that up at the SOTU and only mention SS and medicare and NOT "all federal legislation" as you CLEARLY state yourself has a clear intent. An intent to LIE and DECEIVE to the people for his party's benefit. an_light

    It's devious, like cancelling Trump's price fix on insulin and they applying his own and taking credit.

    He needs to be boo'ed off his podium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Dementia Joe went to Wisconsin today & spewed the same lie about SS/Medicare that he was called out for less than 24 hours ago. Does he think people are stupid or has his mental acuity diminished even more than we know?  This is getting ridiculous..........but the dems keep trying to cover for him. He needs to be taken into a med center. It was against this backdrop that Scott turned to Twitter this morning, standing by his plan to sunset “all federal legislation” after five years. “If a law is worth keeping,” the Floridian wrote,  “Congress can pass it again.” Scott added this morning, however, that this doesn’t mean he wants to “cut” Social Security and Medicare. Perhaps not, but that’s beside the point: The senator’s plan was (and is) controversial for a variety of reasons, including the fact that it would sunset the popular social insurance programs, not “cut” them. That’s what Biden said in his address, and it remains accurate.

     

    That kind of proposal floats around every year. Biden as Senator tried it four times. To bring that up at the SOTU and only mention SS and medicare and NOT "all federal legislation" as you CLEARLY state yourself has a clear intent. An intent to LIE and DECEIVE to the people for his party's benefit. an_light

    It's devious, like cancelling Trump's price fix on insulin and they applying his own and taking credit.

    He needs to be boo'ed off his podium.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2023 - 10:16 AM ET #383

    Story just broke yesterday.... International community will quickly catch on to start their own investigative process.... Germany in particular....

    "Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.

    Two of the pipelines, which were known collectively as Nord Stream 1, had been providing Germany and much of Western Europe with cheap Russian natural gas for more than a decade. A second pair of pipelines, called Nord Stream 2, had been built but were not yet operational. Now, with Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian border and the bloodiest war in Europe since 1945 looming, President Joseph Biden saw the pipelines as a vehicle for Vladimir Putin to weaponize natural gas for his political and territorial ambitions.

    Asked for comment, Adrienne Watson, a White House spokesperson, said in an email, “This is false and complete fiction.” Tammy Thorp, a spokesperson for the Central Intelligence Agency, similarly wrote: “This claim is completely and utterly false.”

    Biden’s decision to sabotage the pipelines came after more than nine months of highly secret back and forth debate inside Washington’s national security community about how to best achieve that goal. For much of that time, the issue was not whether to do the mission, but how to get it done with no overt clue as to who was responsible."

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    You know since the WH and CIA were so quick to dismiss it then it must be false....right an_wink

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    Story just broke yesterday.... International community will quickly catch on to start their own investigative process.... Germany in particular....

    "Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.

    Two of the pipelines, which were known collectively as Nord Stream 1, had been providing Germany and much of Western Europe with cheap Russian natural gas for more than a decade. A second pair of pipelines, called Nord Stream 2, had been built but were not yet operational. Now, with Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian border and the bloodiest war in Europe since 1945 looming, President Joseph Biden saw the pipelines as a vehicle for Vladimir Putin to weaponize natural gas for his political and territorial ambitions.

    Asked for comment, Adrienne Watson, a White House spokesperson, said in an email, “This is false and complete fiction.” Tammy Thorp, a spokesperson for the Central Intelligence Agency, similarly wrote: “This claim is completely and utterly false.”

    Biden’s decision to sabotage the pipelines came after more than nine months of highly secret back and forth debate inside Washington’s national security community about how to best achieve that goal. For much of that time, the issue was not whether to do the mission, but how to get it done with no overt clue as to who was responsible."

    https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

     

    You know since the WH and CIA were so quick to dismiss it then it must be false....right an_wink

     
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    The CIA argued that whatever was done, it would have to be covert. Everyone involved understood the stakes. 

    “This is not kiddie stuff,” the source said. If the attack were traceable to the United States, “It’s an act of war.”

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    “This is not kiddie stuff,” the source said. If the attack were traceable to the United States, “It’s an act of war.”

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12: Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Dementia Joe went to Wisconsin today & spewed the same lie about SS/Medicare that he was called out for less than 24 hours ago. Does he think people are stupid or has his mental acuity diminished even more than we know?  This is getting ridiculous..........but the dems keep trying to cover for him. He needs to be taken into a med center. It was against this backdrop that Scott turned to Twitter this morning, standing by his plan to sunset “all federal legislation” after five years. “If a law is worth keeping,” the Floridian wrote,  “Congress can pass it again.” Scott added this morning, however, that this doesn’t mean he wants to “cut” Social Security and Medicare. Perhaps not, but that’s beside the point: The senator’s plan was (and is) controversial for a variety of reasons, including the fact that it would sunset the popular social insurance programs, not “cut” them. That’s what Biden said in his address, and it remains accurate.   That kind of proposal floats around every year. Biden as Senator tried it four times. To bring that up at the SOTU and only mention SS and medicare and NOT "all federal legislation" as you CLEARLY state yourself has a clear intent. An intent to LIE and DECEIVE to the people for his party's benefit.  It's devious, like cancelling Trump's price fix on insulin and they applying his own and taking credit. He needs to be boo'ed off his podium.

    Of course his intention was to stress SS and Medicare as it affects many people that live week to week. Hate to tell you this but “Truth” is not a lie or deceiving. Why do some republicans downplay this when it is indeed a possibility?

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12: Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Dementia Joe went to Wisconsin today & spewed the same lie about SS/Medicare that he was called out for less than 24 hours ago. Does he think people are stupid or has his mental acuity diminished even more than we know?  This is getting ridiculous..........but the dems keep trying to cover for him. He needs to be taken into a med center. It was against this backdrop that Scott turned to Twitter this morning, standing by his plan to sunset “all federal legislation” after five years. “If a law is worth keeping,” the Floridian wrote,  “Congress can pass it again.” Scott added this morning, however, that this doesn’t mean he wants to “cut” Social Security and Medicare. Perhaps not, but that’s beside the point: The senator’s plan was (and is) controversial for a variety of reasons, including the fact that it would sunset the popular social insurance programs, not “cut” them. That’s what Biden said in his address, and it remains accurate.   That kind of proposal floats around every year. Biden as Senator tried it four times. To bring that up at the SOTU and only mention SS and medicare and NOT "all federal legislation" as you CLEARLY state yourself has a clear intent. An intent to LIE and DECEIVE to the people for his party's benefit.  It's devious, like cancelling Trump's price fix on insulin and they applying his own and taking credit. He needs to be boo'ed off his podium.

    Of course his intention was to stress SS and Medicare as it affects many people that live week to week. Hate to tell you this but “Truth” is not a lie or deceiving. Why do some republicans downplay this when it is indeed a possibility?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    Story just broke yesterday.... International community will quickly catch on to start their own investigative process.... Germany in particular.... "Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning. Two of the pipelines, which were known collectively as Nord Stream 1, had been providing Germany and much of Western Europe with cheap Russian natural gas for more than a decade. A second pair of pipelines, called Nord Stream 2, had been built but were not yet operational. Now, with Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian border and the bloodiest war in Europe since 1945 looming, President Joseph Biden saw the pipelines as a vehicle for Vladimir Putin to weaponize natural gas for his political and territorial ambitions. Asked for comment, Adrienne Watson, a White House spokesperson, said in an email, “This is false and complete fiction.” Tammy Thorp, a spokesperson for the Central Intelligence Agency, similarly wrote: “This claim is completely and utterly false.” Biden’s decision to sabotage the pipelines came after more than nine months of highly secret back and forth debate inside Washington’s national security community about how to best achieve that goal. For much of that time, the issue was not whether to do the mission, but how to get it done with no overt clue as to who was responsible." https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream   You know since the WH and CIA were so quick to dismiss it then it must be false....right

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    Story just broke yesterday.... International community will quickly catch on to start their own investigative process.... Germany in particular.... "Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning. Two of the pipelines, which were known collectively as Nord Stream 1, had been providing Germany and much of Western Europe with cheap Russian natural gas for more than a decade. A second pair of pipelines, called Nord Stream 2, had been built but were not yet operational. Now, with Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian border and the bloodiest war in Europe since 1945 looming, President Joseph Biden saw the pipelines as a vehicle for Vladimir Putin to weaponize natural gas for his political and territorial ambitions. Asked for comment, Adrienne Watson, a White House spokesperson, said in an email, “This is false and complete fiction.” Tammy Thorp, a spokesperson for the Central Intelligence Agency, similarly wrote: “This claim is completely and utterly false.” Biden’s decision to sabotage the pipelines came after more than nine months of highly secret back and forth debate inside Washington’s national security community about how to best achieve that goal. For much of that time, the issue was not whether to do the mission, but how to get it done with no overt clue as to who was responsible." https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream   You know since the WH and CIA were so quick to dismiss it then it must be false....right

    I can tell you many good stories also.an_wink

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    Seymour Hersh is a Pulitzer prize winning investigative journalist who broke the My Lai massacre story during Vietnam which opened up the world to the war crime atrocities committed by US troops and subsequent attempted cover up by US government.  

    He also broke the news of the US government's covert bombing of Cambodia and the military prison scandal at Abu Ghraib.  

    https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/seymour-m-hersh

     

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    Seymour Hersh is a Pulitzer prize winning investigative journalist who broke the My Lai massacre story during Vietnam which opened up the world to the war crime atrocities committed by US troops and subsequent attempted cover up by US government.  

    He also broke the news of the US government's covert bombing of Cambodia and the military prison scandal at Abu Ghraib.  

    https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/seymour-m-hersh

     

     
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    @darkhorse12

     https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream  

    .....Learn yourself something.  

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     https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream  

    .....Learn yourself something.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    @darkhorse12  https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream   .....Learn yourself something.

    an UNDISCLOSED source. As I said it’s a story. Thought you righties didn’t like or believe these undisclosed source stories?

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    @darkhorse12  https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream   .....Learn yourself something.

    an UNDISCLOSED source. As I said it’s a story. Thought you righties didn’t like or believe these undisclosed source stories?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @Sidehatch  By the way. Did you ever figure out what was going on?  Didn’t you sell your house a while ago? Oh yes, the great Trump tax scam increased my taxes by $15-20k a year. If someone can get that overturned and all my additional income tax refunded, I will buy them a $60k boat. Sadly I don’t think that’s happening. Trump’s tax hikes in blue states were the biggest of a lifetime for millions, all so we could subsidize red states.   You should have your guys look at why that was?  It cannot be your federal income tax bracket.  For example, the highest bracket actually went down from 39.6% to 37%.  Now, if the deductions that you were using to reduce your taxable income were all of a sudden done away with or disallowed, then that would change it.  If you sold a house or investments and had to pay capital gains taxes, then that would change it. But if you your income was the exact same then your federal tax bill would have gone down.  So, it has to be the change in your deductions.  But that is something you Leftists want to get rid of anyway:  “All the loopholes for the rich”.  Because with a tax increase like you had you are doing very well. Now if the SALT deductions are something that affected you — isn’t that a you problem or at the most your state’s problem? I think most people should be for a more simplified tax code.  Those were the people that complained about the rich having all of these write-offs and will not have that complaint. So, since your Federal income tax rate actually went down it has to be the residual things and NOT the Federal Income Tax rate cut that increased your tax bill. To be fair, it seems as if you were in the exact income range that was targeted to help the lower and middle income tax payers because of a perceived tax-advantage for the rich. Either way, that increase is enough that I would have them look into it.   You can look a little yourself if you are somewhat aware of all of your deductions and things like that.  There are several places you can do this online.  For example:   https://www.priortax.com   But I am not sure how many of the targeted benefit groups will feel sorry for you ‘having to pay your fair share’.  That is the way that it will seem to them.   But I am still interested in what you find out caused this large of a leap for you.  It seems something could be wrong.  Very unusual indeed.

    Yes, DJT did:

    - increase blue states’ federal income taxes with the SALT deduction cap, which amounted to the biggest tax hike of a lifetime for millions of Americans

    - that helped offset some of the decreased fed income tax rates, and help sell the plan 

    - and meanwhile did absolutely nothing to ensure that billionaires actually pay taxes. Trump has paid far less taxes than I have since 2017. 

    One can surely appreciate the irony of:

    - calling someone who is a centrist a “lefty.”
    - While I didn’t like Trump, when he was elected I tried to look at the bright side and “maybe he’ll cut my taxes.” Instead, I got thrown under the bus by Trump and McCarthy.

    Not sure why I would vote for any Republicans for federal office after that experience. I might consider a moderate like Romney, or maybe a McCain-like candidate. But the current snakes at the head of the GOP regime are godless asswipes.

    Good luck persuading others to vote for Team Red with that track record! Now go back to banning books about Hank Aaron and Roberto Clemente

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @Sidehatch  By the way. Did you ever figure out what was going on?  Didn’t you sell your house a while ago? Oh yes, the great Trump tax scam increased my taxes by $15-20k a year. If someone can get that overturned and all my additional income tax refunded, I will buy them a $60k boat. Sadly I don’t think that’s happening. Trump’s tax hikes in blue states were the biggest of a lifetime for millions, all so we could subsidize red states.   You should have your guys look at why that was?  It cannot be your federal income tax bracket.  For example, the highest bracket actually went down from 39.6% to 37%.  Now, if the deductions that you were using to reduce your taxable income were all of a sudden done away with or disallowed, then that would change it.  If you sold a house or investments and had to pay capital gains taxes, then that would change it. But if you your income was the exact same then your federal tax bill would have gone down.  So, it has to be the change in your deductions.  But that is something you Leftists want to get rid of anyway:  “All the loopholes for the rich”.  Because with a tax increase like you had you are doing very well. Now if the SALT deductions are something that affected you — isn’t that a you problem or at the most your state’s problem? I think most people should be for a more simplified tax code.  Those were the people that complained about the rich having all of these write-offs and will not have that complaint. So, since your Federal income tax rate actually went down it has to be the residual things and NOT the Federal Income Tax rate cut that increased your tax bill. To be fair, it seems as if you were in the exact income range that was targeted to help the lower and middle income tax payers because of a perceived tax-advantage for the rich. Either way, that increase is enough that I would have them look into it.   You can look a little yourself if you are somewhat aware of all of your deductions and things like that.  There are several places you can do this online.  For example:   https://www.priortax.com   But I am not sure how many of the targeted benefit groups will feel sorry for you ‘having to pay your fair share’.  That is the way that it will seem to them.   But I am still interested in what you find out caused this large of a leap for you.  It seems something could be wrong.  Very unusual indeed.

    Yes, DJT did:

    - increase blue states’ federal income taxes with the SALT deduction cap, which amounted to the biggest tax hike of a lifetime for millions of Americans

    - that helped offset some of the decreased fed income tax rates, and help sell the plan 

    - and meanwhile did absolutely nothing to ensure that billionaires actually pay taxes. Trump has paid far less taxes than I have since 2017. 

    One can surely appreciate the irony of:

    - calling someone who is a centrist a “lefty.”
    - While I didn’t like Trump, when he was elected I tried to look at the bright side and “maybe he’ll cut my taxes.” Instead, I got thrown under the bus by Trump and McCarthy.

    Not sure why I would vote for any Republicans for federal office after that experience. I might consider a moderate like Romney, or maybe a McCain-like candidate. But the current snakes at the head of the GOP regime are godless asswipes.

    Good luck persuading others to vote for Team Red with that track record! Now go back to banning books about Hank Aaron and Roberto Clemente

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12: Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Dementia Joe went to Wisconsin today & spewed the same lie about SS/Medicare that he was called out for less than 24 hours ago. Does he think people are stupid or has his mental acuity diminished even more than we know?  This is getting ridiculous..........but the dems keep trying to cover for him. He needs to be taken into a med center. It was against this backdrop that Scott turned to Twitter this morning, standing by his plan to sunset “all federal legislation” after five years. “If a law is worth keeping,” the Floridian wrote,  “Congress can pass it again.” Scott added this morning, however, that this doesn’t mean he wants to “cut” Social Security and Medicare. Perhaps not, but that’s beside the point: The senator’s plan was (and is) controversial for a variety of reasons, including the fact that it would sunset the popular social insurance programs, not “cut” them. That’s what Biden said in his address, and it remains accurate.   That kind of proposal floats around every year. Biden as Senator tried it four times. To bring that up at the SOTU and only mention SS and medicare and NOT "all federal legislation" as you CLEARLY state yourself has a clear intent. An intent to LIE and DECEIVE to the people for his party's benefit.  It's devious, like cancelling Trump's price fix on insulin and they applying his own and taking credit. He needs to be boo'ed off his podium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12: Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Dementia Joe went to Wisconsin today & spewed the same lie about SS/Medicare that he was called out for less than 24 hours ago. Does he think people are stupid or has his mental acuity diminished even more than we know?  This is getting ridiculous..........but the dems keep trying to cover for him. He needs to be taken into a med center. It was against this backdrop that Scott turned to Twitter this morning, standing by his plan to sunset “all federal legislation” after five years. “If a law is worth keeping,” the Floridian wrote,  “Congress can pass it again.” Scott added this morning, however, that this doesn’t mean he wants to “cut” Social Security and Medicare. Perhaps not, but that’s beside the point: The senator’s plan was (and is) controversial for a variety of reasons, including the fact that it would sunset the popular social insurance programs, not “cut” them. That’s what Biden said in his address, and it remains accurate.   That kind of proposal floats around every year. Biden as Senator tried it four times. To bring that up at the SOTU and only mention SS and medicare and NOT "all federal legislation" as you CLEARLY state yourself has a clear intent. An intent to LIE and DECEIVE to the people for his party's benefit.  It's devious, like cancelling Trump's price fix on insulin and they applying his own and taking credit. He needs to be boo'ed off his podium.
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     So when will Joe be impeached?

    You've been touting this bullshit since the end of July 2021.

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     So when will Joe be impeached?

    You've been touting this bullshit since the end of July 2021.

    confused

     

     
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     I'm not stating it is end all be all 100% true.....But this isn't some mommy blogger on twitter.  This is a Pulitzer prize winning investigative reporter.  Someone who has a reputation for breaking stories the government wishes to keep secret.  One cannot deny that fact. 

    I am merely sharing information.  I put the meat of the story in the Ukraine thread, as it should be.  Thought it might grab some attention in this thread. 

    I don't give a shit about Biden or Trump.  You can call me a righty or lefty all you want, there is nothing wrong with having conservative or liberal views.  One can share both sides of the aisle without partisan BS.  My personal views are pretty liberal socially, but fiscally & with regards to international relations they are conservative.  I am happy to discuss either side, the problem in this sub forum is NO ONE discusses anything, it is just tit for tat. Imaginary fairy tales are posted as factual info when they are nothing of the sort.  Radicalism at its finest.  Its pathetic.  

    Anyway....Nice to have you in here, hope you stick around peace_5

     

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     I'm not stating it is end all be all 100% true.....But this isn't some mommy blogger on twitter.  This is a Pulitzer prize winning investigative reporter.  Someone who has a reputation for breaking stories the government wishes to keep secret.  One cannot deny that fact. 

    I am merely sharing information.  I put the meat of the story in the Ukraine thread, as it should be.  Thought it might grab some attention in this thread. 

    I don't give a shit about Biden or Trump.  You can call me a righty or lefty all you want, there is nothing wrong with having conservative or liberal views.  One can share both sides of the aisle without partisan BS.  My personal views are pretty liberal socially, but fiscally & with regards to international relations they are conservative.  I am happy to discuss either side, the problem in this sub forum is NO ONE discusses anything, it is just tit for tat. Imaginary fairy tales are posted as factual info when they are nothing of the sort.  Radicalism at its finest.  Its pathetic.  

    Anyway....Nice to have you in here, hope you stick around peace_5

     

     
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     So, if you are blaming the SALT cap I do not think you fully understand both sides of the issue.  When you mention lack of making billionaires pay more in taxes, I think you misunderstand the points that both sides make here.   If you were made to pay that much more in federal taxes — that is the exact thing you guys want:  to make the wealthy pay more and to avoid the ‘loopholes’.  That is exactly what you are asking to be done to the wealthy — pay more.  That is exactly what this did.  
    This was not just Trump that got this done.  This was part of the compromise with the Democrats to force more of a tax burden onto the wealthy and ease some of the burden on the middle-income and lower-income classes.  This cap on SALT deductions along with the bracket reductions, etc. did exactly that.  You are, in fact, proof that it worked. 
    So, now you cannot be upset.  Because, rightly or wrongly, to the average guy in the USA you have been getting away with not paying your fair share.  You have to hold the Left accountable more for this than the Right.  Obviously, the Left is always saying the Right support the rich not having to pay ‘their fair share’.  
    Now that you are paying ‘your fair share’ you have your anger turned in the wrong direction:  it is the LEFT that want you to pay more taxes, not the Right.  
     
    I will follow this with parts of an article on SALT and some of the issues that may help you understand this.  

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     So, if you are blaming the SALT cap I do not think you fully understand both sides of the issue.  When you mention lack of making billionaires pay more in taxes, I think you misunderstand the points that both sides make here.   If you were made to pay that much more in federal taxes — that is the exact thing you guys want:  to make the wealthy pay more and to avoid the ‘loopholes’.  That is exactly what you are asking to be done to the wealthy — pay more.  That is exactly what this did.  
    This was not just Trump that got this done.  This was part of the compromise with the Democrats to force more of a tax burden onto the wealthy and ease some of the burden on the middle-income and lower-income classes.  This cap on SALT deductions along with the bracket reductions, etc. did exactly that.  You are, in fact, proof that it worked. 
    So, now you cannot be upset.  Because, rightly or wrongly, to the average guy in the USA you have been getting away with not paying your fair share.  You have to hold the Left accountable more for this than the Right.  Obviously, the Left is always saying the Right support the rich not having to pay ‘their fair share’.  
    Now that you are paying ‘your fair share’ you have your anger turned in the wrong direction:  it is the LEFT that want you to pay more taxes, not the Right.  
     
    I will follow this with parts of an article on SALT and some of the issues that may help you understand this.  

     
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    Proponents of an unlimited SALT deduction say they are seeking to help middle-class taxpayers. If so, they should go back to the drawing board. The top 20 percent of American households, ranked by income, would receive 96 percent of the benefits of the change, according to a detailed analysis by the widely respected Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center.

    The primary beneficiaries would be an even smaller group of the very wealthiest Americans. The 1 percent of households with the highest incomes would receive 54 percent of the benefit, on average paying about $36,000 less per year in federal income taxes.

    The SALT deduction cap is unfair. The deduction is often described as a federal subsidy for state and local governments because the federal government effectively is paying for a portion of each dollar in state and local taxes. Capping the deduction has the effect of providing a smaller subsidy, per dollar, to jurisdictions that collect more money in taxes.

    New Yorkers, who pay higher taxes than most Americans, get more extensive and higher quality public services. Residents of other states choose lower taxes and less government. Federal tax policy should provide consistent support for either choice.

    This board historically has opposed the elimination of the federal subsidy. But the rise of economic inequality has increased our focus on the distribution of taxation and led us to a different conclusion: Instead of eliminating the SALT deduction cap, Congress should eliminate the deduction.

    The SALT deduction is an inefficient subsidy. The primary beneficiaries are the wealthy people who get a tax break. It would make more sense to collect those dollars from the wealthy and then to provide direct federal financial support to state and local governments.

    Proponents of an unlimited SALT deduction have worked hard to portray the cap as a burden on a broad portion of the population. This is wrong in two important respects. First, the existence of the SALT deduction is the primary inequity. It shifts the distribution of taxation off the shoulders of the wealthy and onto the shoulders of the majority who do not make enough money to itemize tax deductions. The bigger the deduction, the greater the inequity.

    Second, lifting the cap would primarily benefit the very wealthy. The Tax Policy Center estimates that 16 percent of households making between $100,000 and $200,000 annually would benefit from an unlimited SALT deduction, but that the average benefit would be just $130. Almost everyone making more than a million dollars a year would benefit — on average by more than $44,000.

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    Proponents of an unlimited SALT deduction say they are seeking to help middle-class taxpayers. If so, they should go back to the drawing board. The top 20 percent of American households, ranked by income, would receive 96 percent of the benefits of the change, according to a detailed analysis by the widely respected Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center.

    The primary beneficiaries would be an even smaller group of the very wealthiest Americans. The 1 percent of households with the highest incomes would receive 54 percent of the benefit, on average paying about $36,000 less per year in federal income taxes.

    The SALT deduction cap is unfair. The deduction is often described as a federal subsidy for state and local governments because the federal government effectively is paying for a portion of each dollar in state and local taxes. Capping the deduction has the effect of providing a smaller subsidy, per dollar, to jurisdictions that collect more money in taxes.

    New Yorkers, who pay higher taxes than most Americans, get more extensive and higher quality public services. Residents of other states choose lower taxes and less government. Federal tax policy should provide consistent support for either choice.

    This board historically has opposed the elimination of the federal subsidy. But the rise of economic inequality has increased our focus on the distribution of taxation and led us to a different conclusion: Instead of eliminating the SALT deduction cap, Congress should eliminate the deduction.

    The SALT deduction is an inefficient subsidy. The primary beneficiaries are the wealthy people who get a tax break. It would make more sense to collect those dollars from the wealthy and then to provide direct federal financial support to state and local governments.

    Proponents of an unlimited SALT deduction have worked hard to portray the cap as a burden on a broad portion of the population. This is wrong in two important respects. First, the existence of the SALT deduction is the primary inequity. It shifts the distribution of taxation off the shoulders of the wealthy and onto the shoulders of the majority who do not make enough money to itemize tax deductions. The bigger the deduction, the greater the inequity.

    Second, lifting the cap would primarily benefit the very wealthy. The Tax Policy Center estimates that 16 percent of households making between $100,000 and $200,000 annually would benefit from an unlimited SALT deduction, but that the average benefit would be just $130. Almost everyone making more than a million dollars a year would benefit — on average by more than $44,000.

     
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     I do not really care about the other issues you pointed out — at this time.  It is easier to keep most people focused if they try to tackle one issue at a time, without throwing out multiple issues all at once and jumping around. I would rather concentrate on why you are paying more in taxes and are upset about that.  I think we have finally narrowed it down to part of what it is:  the SALT cap removal.  Read the article I posted and see why reinstalling an uncapped reduction would help or hurt, etc. 

    But to briefly address the other points. 

    Yes, Trump has paid less in income taxes than you.  I am quite sure a lot of folks have, maybe Buffet and many other richer folks than you.  It is the way it works.  If you have no wages and only capital gains, you are paying less.  Some years, you may not pay any taxes at all — maybe you do not even have any capital gains — or maybe your write offs reduce it.  
    You apparently have a steady income that is taxed at a much higher rate than someone with no job or wages.  That is the way it is, and we have found that it is for a very good reason.  
    At some point you probably will take your income, which is apparently quite considerable, and pay off all of your bills and be in a position to live solely on capital gains or investments — then your tax bill would be lower.  Or just learn to live with a tax bill that the folks in Congress (Democrats and Republicans) have deemed is appropriate for your wage income. 

    Yes.  I am calling you a Lefty.  Why wouldn’t I?  Every political thing you post or thread you start lead me to think you are.  This is not a problem or anything I care about.  People are who they are.  It baffles me when people who have radical ideas on either side refuse to admit who they are — Right or Left — both want to claim to be more centrist than they really are.  If they really were they would demonstrate it by showing it.  I am sorry you certainly have not expressed anything I have seen on here to lead me to believe you have any ideas in common with the Right.  So, you do not overlap — even in the middle on ideas.  
    If I am wrong and you have posted more things that you lean toward on the Right, fiscally or politically, I apologize.  And I will pay attention closer to what you write.  
    I do say that as far as the folks I consider Lefties on here you at least will have a coherent conversation — the rest are more or less radical cheerleaders.  

    You say you might consider a McCain or Romney. Did you?  You certainly had plenty of chances to consider those types of candidates.  Did you vote for either of them?  By your own words they are more moderate.  Or did you vote for the radical Leftists they ran against?

     

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     I do not really care about the other issues you pointed out — at this time.  It is easier to keep most people focused if they try to tackle one issue at a time, without throwing out multiple issues all at once and jumping around. I would rather concentrate on why you are paying more in taxes and are upset about that.  I think we have finally narrowed it down to part of what it is:  the SALT cap removal.  Read the article I posted and see why reinstalling an uncapped reduction would help or hurt, etc. 

    But to briefly address the other points. 

    Yes, Trump has paid less in income taxes than you.  I am quite sure a lot of folks have, maybe Buffet and many other richer folks than you.  It is the way it works.  If you have no wages and only capital gains, you are paying less.  Some years, you may not pay any taxes at all — maybe you do not even have any capital gains — or maybe your write offs reduce it.  
    You apparently have a steady income that is taxed at a much higher rate than someone with no job or wages.  That is the way it is, and we have found that it is for a very good reason.  
    At some point you probably will take your income, which is apparently quite considerable, and pay off all of your bills and be in a position to live solely on capital gains or investments — then your tax bill would be lower.  Or just learn to live with a tax bill that the folks in Congress (Democrats and Republicans) have deemed is appropriate for your wage income. 

    Yes.  I am calling you a Lefty.  Why wouldn’t I?  Every political thing you post or thread you start lead me to think you are.  This is not a problem or anything I care about.  People are who they are.  It baffles me when people who have radical ideas on either side refuse to admit who they are — Right or Left — both want to claim to be more centrist than they really are.  If they really were they would demonstrate it by showing it.  I am sorry you certainly have not expressed anything I have seen on here to lead me to believe you have any ideas in common with the Right.  So, you do not overlap — even in the middle on ideas.  
    If I am wrong and you have posted more things that you lean toward on the Right, fiscally or politically, I apologize.  And I will pay attention closer to what you write.  
    I do say that as far as the folks I consider Lefties on here you at least will have a coherent conversation — the rest are more or less radical cheerleaders.  

    You say you might consider a McCain or Romney. Did you?  You certainly had plenty of chances to consider those types of candidates.  Did you vote for either of them?  By your own words they are more moderate.  Or did you vote for the radical Leftists they ran against?

     

     
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    Folks always act like they might vote for a candidate from another party — very few ever really do.  Then they get upset when they are labeled far Left or far Right.  
    For example, I get that nobody likes Trump that are supposed ‘centrists’ but out of the 19 or so Republicans that ran — whom did they support?  None.  And there were plenty of moderate McCain or Romney types that ran then.  Fact is folks, by and large, are who they are.  Maybe they can change later in life, but few do.  
    The issue I have is how they get upset discussing issues and when confronted with inconsistencies in their stances they go straight to yelling or name calling.  They cannot even reasonably discuss their stances.  Right or Left.  

     

    For example, I know you do not like Trump but have never seen you write about anything at all he did good or proposed or put in place or supported.  I do not remember you doing that with Bush.  I do not recall you doing that with any candidate from the Right or their policies.  Why did you not start a thread on why the Democrats didn’t accomplish anything when they were in power?  Because it is evidently expected to be understood that you are in lockstep with them.  If I am wrong on this — again, I apologize. 

    Not sure what track record you are talking about when the only thing you mentioned was the tax issue?  But you are correct it is not that easy to persuade someone to vote ‘Red’, or ‘Blue’ for that matter — you have to be patient and explain the issues and why what is proposed is best for them, their family, and their country.  You are correct, it is not easy.  But I do not really try to do that.  I just like discussing the issues with opposite minded folks, period. 

    No idea about the Hank Aaron or Roberto Clemente books getting banned.  Will have to look into that.  I know there are pushes from both sides to ban things they don’t like or agree with or that are perceived to have a political agenda they don’t like.  No idea on that. peace_5

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    Folks always act like they might vote for a candidate from another party — very few ever really do.  Then they get upset when they are labeled far Left or far Right.  
    For example, I get that nobody likes Trump that are supposed ‘centrists’ but out of the 19 or so Republicans that ran — whom did they support?  None.  And there were plenty of moderate McCain or Romney types that ran then.  Fact is folks, by and large, are who they are.  Maybe they can change later in life, but few do.  
    The issue I have is how they get upset discussing issues and when confronted with inconsistencies in their stances they go straight to yelling or name calling.  They cannot even reasonably discuss their stances.  Right or Left.  

     

    For example, I know you do not like Trump but have never seen you write about anything at all he did good or proposed or put in place or supported.  I do not remember you doing that with Bush.  I do not recall you doing that with any candidate from the Right or their policies.  Why did you not start a thread on why the Democrats didn’t accomplish anything when they were in power?  Because it is evidently expected to be understood that you are in lockstep with them.  If I am wrong on this — again, I apologize. 

    Not sure what track record you are talking about when the only thing you mentioned was the tax issue?  But you are correct it is not that easy to persuade someone to vote ‘Red’, or ‘Blue’ for that matter — you have to be patient and explain the issues and why what is proposed is best for them, their family, and their country.  You are correct, it is not easy.  But I do not really try to do that.  I just like discussing the issues with opposite minded folks, period. 

    No idea about the Hank Aaron or Roberto Clemente books getting banned.  Will have to look into that.  I know there are pushes from both sides to ban things they don’t like or agree with or that are perceived to have a political agenda they don’t like.  No idea on that. peace_5

     
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     Our views are not that much different, socially liberal and  fiscally responsible. As far a as the story goes it is very plausible. Restrict putins money supply. 
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     Our views are not that much different, socially liberal and  fiscally responsible. As far a as the story goes it is very plausible. Restrict putins money supply. 
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     Sorry about hijacking the thread.  I know it is about Biden impeachment.  
    I was just curious about the guy’s tax issue.   Because I have a couple of other folks that got upset about this and were all confused about why it was especially with deductions like the SALT one, because it did not affect everyone equally.  

    At any rate.  Sorry I will stay on topic a tad more from now on. peace_5

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     Sorry about hijacking the thread.  I know it is about Biden impeachment.  
    I was just curious about the guy’s tax issue.   Because I have a couple of other folks that got upset about this and were all confused about why it was especially with deductions like the SALT one, because it did not affect everyone equally.  

    At any rate.  Sorry I will stay on topic a tad more from now on. peace_5

     
     
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     Better yet, give us all a break & try using yes/no responses.

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     Better yet, give us all a break & try using yes/no responses.

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