Since the liberals are asking for proof that waterboarding has saved any lives. I'll ask you a similar question: Can you prove that waterboarding has saved NO lives? I just want you to shoot me the link that shows waterboarding has saved ZERO lives. I will be waiting patiently and when you provide me some irrefutable evidence that waterboarding has saved ZERO lives I will start my search for links to prove that it has.
There, now we are all in the same boat. Who's correct here? I would suspect that neither of us will be able to come up with absolute irrefutable evidence of what fits our agenda. Just wanted to prove YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT AGAIN. Thanks though Mr. O' Donnell.
Since the liberals are asking for proof that waterboarding has saved any lives. I'll ask you a similar question: Can you prove that waterboarding has saved NO lives? I just want you to shoot me the link that shows waterboarding has saved ZERO lives. I will be waiting patiently and when you provide me some irrefutable evidence that waterboarding has saved ZERO lives I will start my search for links to prove that it has.
There, now we are all in the same boat. Who's correct here? I would suspect that neither of us will be able to come up with absolute irrefutable evidence of what fits our agenda. Just wanted to prove YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT AGAIN. Thanks though Mr. O' Donnell.
Ahhhh, the oldest trick in the book. Answering a question with the inverse.
The problem here is that you are supporting a deplorable act. If you are defending something that is akin to torture, shouldn't you have the facts to support it. If I was to tell you that jailing all people before a trial suspected of committing a criminal act reduced crime, would it be defensible by saying the burden is on you to show me that it didn't? 
Be thankful for your freedoms FarQue
Trust me on this
You don't want to know half the shit that goes on to keep your American "free" ass, free
Be thankful for the work that goes on and let's you come on here and express your opinions
Without the CIA and other organizations your world would be very different
Trust me on this
You don't want to know half the shit that goes on to keep your American "free" ass, free
Be thankful for the work that goes on and let's you come on here and express your opinions
Without the CIA and other organizations your world would be very different
Please don't presume that I don't know some of what you suggest. Trust me on this. 
The CIA has done some very important things throughout the years. They have also done some pretty horrible things.
I don't presume to ever go by the philosophy of "my country right or wrong." That phrase was translated from German. Bet you didn't know that.
That is why I will ask questions and make comments when I find something that is abhorrent.
Nope I didn't know that but I am not here to play trivia games either or to see who is more well read and in what subjects
You and I have agreed and disagreed on subjects dj
Lets just debate and agree to disagree when the situation arises
I will not pretend the CIA hasn't done some shitty things in its history and I will also do not go by your German phrase
However, I do believe that sometimes bad things happen to bad people.
Your own CIA agent that said it saved lives considers it abhorrent.
https://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/11/agent.tapes/#cnnSTCVideo
Nope I didn't know that but I am not here to play trivia games either or to see who is more well read and in what subjects
You and I have agreed and disagreed on subjects dj
Lets just debate and agree to disagree when the situation arises
I will not pretend the CIA hasn't done some shitty things in its history and I will also do not go by your German phrase
However, I do believe that sometimes bad things happen to bad people.
It has nothing to do with well read... Look, I am pretty hawkish when it comes to foreign affairs, and it is for a reason. As much as I would love to save the word, the US has to act in its own interest to protect its people. It is a simple truth. While it was abhorrent (there is that word again), it was in our own interests when Iraq and Iran were at war. The CIA worked on the continuation of that war.
The reality here is that the bad things are happening to bad people. I'm fine with that. I am not fine with the bad things happening to people who were in the wrong place in the wrong time. Do you know how many people have been released from Guantanamo because they were wrongly held. How many of them were waterboarded?
You want to waterboard OBL, I'm fine with that. You want to waterboard someone who has only been accused on flimsy evidence of being associated with terrorists, yeah, I have a problem with that.
The agent who said that waterboarding save lives admitted he wasn't even there and later said that waterboarding is torture. Doesn't that bother you?
Your own CIA agent that said it saved lives considers it abhorrent.
https://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/11/agent.tapes/#cnnSTCVideo
You have to actually read the article, not watch the video. The ex-CIA agent says that waterboarding should be outlawed. This is the same guy who claimed that it saved lives, then admitted he was never there.
If you can't read the words, let me know. There is a website where I can create an animated cartoon and explain it to you that way.
The agent who said that waterboarding save lives admitted he wasn't even there and later said that waterboarding is torture. Doesn't that bother you?
I honestly have not read the article yet
Are you asking if the lying bothers me or the fact that the agent now says WB is torture?
Fabricating a story is only acceptable if it is meant to deceive the enemy or give our troops, commanders or leaders a leg up on the enemy.
I personally don't care about the agents opinion on WB though
I do wonder how do we determine if someone is at the wrong place at the wrongtime?
You are getting shot at from multiple directions by men (women and children) who do not wear a uniform.
do we just take their word for it that they are one of the good guys?
I am not for holding innocent people with no proof of guilt but at the same time how do you get proof when you are in a firefight?
Guilty by association?
They know who the "bad" guys are and they should know to get the hell away from them when shit is hitting thee fan
There isnt an easy answer
Ahhhh, the oldest trick in the book. Answering a question with the inverse.
The problem here is that you are supporting a deplorable act. If you are defending something that is akin to torture, shouldn't you have the facts to support it. If I was to tell you that jailing all people before a trial suspected of committing a criminal act reduced crime, would it be defensible by saying the burden is on you to show me that it didn't?
That was kind of my point dipshit. You are using the oldest liberal trick in the book. That is, when you are called on your bullshit, change the subject, rather than defend it. You guys were asking for proof that waterboarding saved lives and then giving the
It is true that there is no way to prove it unless you are willing to accept the word of certain CIA members which you are clearly not going to do unless they support your liberal viewpoint. So it is a bullshit, loaded question. So if you liberals want conservatives to prove their premise, than I'm sure a liberal like you will be able to prove the other angle. So ball's in your court Waiting....
[Quote: Originally Posted by FarQue] I honestly have not read the article yet
Yet you make comments based on your assumptions of their content. Strange that 
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I dont have to read an article to discuss the CIA or WB..... but thanks for chiming in with your opinion
Strange that??.......who are you Yoda??
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