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    Bob Costas (NBC) gives an anti-gun rant during Dallas/ Philadelphia football game

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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 12:04 AM ET #1

    NBC Sportscaster Bob Costas uses the captive football  audience on Sunday Night Football to give an anti-gun lecture.....and the need for gun control in the aftermath of the Jovan Belcher shootings...

    Costas :… writer Jason Whitlock, with whom I do not always agree but today said it so well that we may as well just quote or paraphrase from the end of his article:

    “Our current gun culture,” Whitlock wrote, “ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy, and that more convenience-store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead.”

    Handguns do not enhance our safety. They exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments, and bait us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it.

    “In the coming days, Jovan Belcher’s actions and their possible connection to football will be analyzed. Who knows?” But here, wrote Jason Whitlock, is what I believe: “If Jovan Belcher didn’t possess a gun, he and Kasandra Perkins would both be alive today.”

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    Costa's blames the method not the killer ..Belcher was pro football player... an athlete .. he could have killed her with his bare hands or a knife just as easily... don't blame him..let’s blame the gun....

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    NBC Sportscaster Bob Costas uses the captive football  audience on Sunday Night Football to give an anti-gun lecture.....and the need for gun control in the aftermath of the Jovan Belcher shootings...

    Costas :… writer Jason Whitlock, with whom I do not always agree but today said it so well that we may as well just quote or paraphrase from the end of his article:

    “Our current gun culture,” Whitlock wrote, “ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy, and that more convenience-store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead.”

    Handguns do not enhance our safety. They exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments, and bait us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it.

    “In the coming days, Jovan Belcher’s actions and their possible connection to football will be analyzed. Who knows?” But here, wrote Jason Whitlock, is what I believe: “If Jovan Belcher didn’t possess a gun, he and Kasandra Perkins would both be alive today.”

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    Costa's blames the method not the killer ..Belcher was pro football player... an athlete .. he could have killed her with his bare hands or a knife just as easily... don't blame him..let’s blame the gun....

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 12:44 AM ET #2

    First off all...  

    my thoughts and prayers goes out to all the family, friends, teammates fan and people you were effected by this...

    really was a sad day and an extremely tragic thing for all involved...

    not sure why you are trying to take such severely painful and difficult incident and taking it as a petty opportunity to Spin it into partisan rhetoric,,, 

    So sour grapes about romney failing to win that you have become consumed to the point that you have lost perspective...

    prayers goes out to you... I hope you can work it out


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    First off all...  

    my thoughts and prayers goes out to all the family, friends, teammates fan and people you were effected by this...

    really was a sad day and an extremely tragic thing for all involved...

    not sure why you are trying to take such severely painful and difficult incident and taking it as a petty opportunity to Spin it into partisan rhetoric,,, 

    So sour grapes about romney failing to win that you have become consumed to the point that you have lost perspective...

    prayers goes out to you... I hope you can work it out


     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 1:52 AM ET #3

    We don't need a sports broadcaster for the liberal media getting on soap box to express his personal views to push gun control ..during a Pro Football game ..(and without the benefit of a rebuttal.) It's the right of every American to own a gun ..Bob..

    What's next ?  Will Costas be giving us his views on abortion during  half time of the Sunday Night Detroit /Green Bay game next week ?

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    We don't need a sports broadcaster for the liberal media getting on soap box to express his personal views to push gun control ..during a Pro Football game ..(and without the benefit of a rebuttal.) It's the right of every American to own a gun ..Bob..

    What's next ?  Will Costas be giving us his views on abortion during  half time of the Sunday Night Detroit /Green Bay game next week ?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 3:14 AM ET #4

    abortion?


    really?  have you unraveled that badly since america spoke out in the voting booth about obama?







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    abortion?


    really?  have you unraveled that badly since america spoke out in the voting booth about obama?







     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 5:39 AM ET #5

    Costas comments are controversial but still NFL related and appropriate for such a big news story.  Half of adult population probably agree with him.  At least Costas didn't advocate guns after this tragedy.  That would be more controversial.
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    Costas comments are controversial but still NFL related and appropriate for such a big news story.  Half of adult population probably agree with him.  At least Costas didn't advocate guns after this tragedy.  That would be more controversial.
     
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    Never let a good tragedy go to waste. 

    If our government could use this tragedy to take away all of our guns it would. 

    I am tired of this conversation every time some dumb piece of garbage kills someone (or themselves) that gun owners need to give up their rights. 

    It is so illogical, and the antithesis of the liberties given to us in this country.  Guys like Bob Costas are more detrimental to our liberty than guys like Osama Bin Ladden. 
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    Never let a good tragedy go to waste. 

    If our government could use this tragedy to take away all of our guns it would. 

    I am tired of this conversation every time some dumb piece of garbage kills someone (or themselves) that gun owners need to give up their rights. 

    It is so illogical, and the antithesis of the liberties given to us in this country.  Guys like Bob Costas are more detrimental to our liberty than guys like Osama Bin Ladden. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 9:48 AM ET #7

    Fact, the rate of gun-related crimes is way higher in the United States than in countries that have strict gun-control laws.

    Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people.

     

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    Fact, the rate of gun-related crimes is way higher in the United States than in countries that have strict gun-control laws.

    Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    Never let a good tragedy go to waste. 

    If our government could use this tragedy to take away all of our guns it would. 

    I am tired of this conversation every time some dumb piece of garbage kills someone (or themselves) that gun owners need to give up their rights. 

    It is so illogical, and the antithesis of the liberties given to us in this country.  Guys like Bob Costas are more detrimental to our liberty than guys like Osama Bin Ladden. 


    I think there are at least 3,000 families in the New York area that would beg to disagree.

    I know you're looking for attention, but that's a pretty sick thing to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    Never let a good tragedy go to waste. 

    If our government could use this tragedy to take away all of our guns it would. 

    I am tired of this conversation every time some dumb piece of garbage kills someone (or themselves) that gun owners need to give up their rights. 

    It is so illogical, and the antithesis of the liberties given to us in this country.  Guys like Bob Costas are more detrimental to our liberty than guys like Osama Bin Ladden. 


    I think there are at least 3,000 families in the New York area that would beg to disagree.

    I know you're looking for attention, but that's a pretty sick thing to say.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 10:14 AM ET #9

    The gradual stripping of liberties by (mostly) well meaning cowards that would trade their liberty for perceived safety do more damage than any terrorist ever could.

    Who took away our liberties post 9-11? Not OBL. Fueled by fear. Aided by predatory power grabbing officials we gave up the liberties paid for in blood without a fight.
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    The gradual stripping of liberties by (mostly) well meaning cowards that would trade their liberty for perceived safety do more damage than any terrorist ever could.

    Who took away our liberties post 9-11? Not OBL. Fueled by fear. Aided by predatory power grabbing officials we gave up the liberties paid for in blood without a fight.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 10:21 AM ET #10

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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 11:23 AM ET #11

    I was about to make a thread about this last night as soon as NBC went to a commercial after Costas was finished.

    I was so p*ssed that he would use a football game to echo Jason Whitlock's article about gun control.

    Before I created a thread here in the Politics section someone in the NFL Forum had already started one. Obviously, I started chiming in. Good back and fourth. When you guys get a chance go to it. It is titled Bob Costas and Gun Control (or something like that).
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    I was about to make a thread about this last night as soon as NBC went to a commercial after Costas was finished.

    I was so p*ssed that he would use a football game to echo Jason Whitlock's article about gun control.

    Before I created a thread here in the Politics section someone in the NFL Forum had already started one. Obviously, I started chiming in. Good back and fourth. When you guys get a chance go to it. It is titled Bob Costas and Gun Control (or something like that).
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    The gradual stripping of liberties by (mostly) well meaning cowards that would trade their liberty for perceived safety do more damage than any terrorist ever could.

    Who took away our liberties post 9-11? Not OBL. Fueled by fear. Aided by predatory power grabbing officials we gave up the liberties paid for in blood without a fight.


    Gun control laws are a perfectly legitimate topic for debate.  The virtues of Osama Bin Laden are not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    The gradual stripping of liberties by (mostly) well meaning cowards that would trade their liberty for perceived safety do more damage than any terrorist ever could.

    Who took away our liberties post 9-11? Not OBL. Fueled by fear. Aided by predatory power grabbing officials we gave up the liberties paid for in blood without a fight.


    Gun control laws are a perfectly legitimate topic for debate.  The virtues of Osama Bin Laden are not.
     
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    Lol.

    Ok.
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    Lol.

    Ok.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:



    Gun control laws are a perfectly legitimate topic for debate.  The virtues of Osama Bin Laden are not.

    IS that really what you took away?  


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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:



    Gun control laws are a perfectly legitimate topic for debate.  The virtues of Osama Bin Laden are not.

    IS that really what you took away?  


     
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    Totally tacky rick.

    I know you are a huge gun owner but that comment is absurd and I hope you really dont feel that way.

    I agree with Depeche, gun control laws are a legit topic of discussion, what we allow now is a massive joke, all for the profits of industry and at the expense of society.
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    Totally tacky rick.

    I know you are a huge gun owner but that comment is absurd and I hope you really dont feel that way.

    I agree with Depeche, gun control laws are a legit topic of discussion, what we allow now is a massive joke, all for the profits of industry and at the expense of society.
     
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    I completely stand by what I said. 

    We are talking about rights and liberties.  

    People that lobby to take away rights (like Costas ) are responsible in the wake of 9-11 for stripping away the rights of the American people under the guise of protection.  

    OBL took away ZERO rights.  ZERO.  He had neither the capacity nor inclination to do so.  

    Sure Gun control laws are up for discussion, But who is being tacky,  me or the guy that brings it up during Sunday night Football?  

    Part of me thinks that this inflammatory monologue was probably put out by the NFL, so the discussion today would be about gun rights, and not the mental health issues of those suffering from Traumatic Brain Injury (talk about an industry that is profiting from the pain of others). 

    Let me expound on my position.  

    There are 3 ways that people react to tragedies like this. 

    1) Fear,  people are fearful that something like this could happen to them, and most of these people seek protection from the first person that offers it.  No matter the cost.  A great example of this would be the theater owners that contacted the Department of Homeland security following the Aurora shooting, asking for protection. 
    2) Opportunity, those that see the tragedy as an opportunity to implement, objectives and agendas that they already have waiting to go. An Example of this would be the post 9/11 roll-out of the "project for a new American Century" plan for the united states.  DHS, War Capabilities, police state etc.  
    3)  Those that can properly identify the above two reactions, and see them for what they are,  Fear and Opportunity seeking. Those that realize that the anti gun agenda existed long before this tragedy, and the same players are coming out of the woodwork to support gun bans.  Those that can see that people are fearful for their safety, fearful of gun violence, and easily manipulated IE Costas' Loud Music Playing Teens getting murdered in cold blood etc.  

    It was bullshit that Costas did this. I know you disagree, that is fine. 

    Just know that people like Costas,  that seek to take away American's liberties are more detrimental to the Republic, Constitution, and American way of life than any outward enemy.  

    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."

    -Marcus Tullius Cicero. 

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    I completely stand by what I said. 

    We are talking about rights and liberties.  

    People that lobby to take away rights (like Costas ) are responsible in the wake of 9-11 for stripping away the rights of the American people under the guise of protection.  

    OBL took away ZERO rights.  ZERO.  He had neither the capacity nor inclination to do so.  

    Sure Gun control laws are up for discussion, But who is being tacky,  me or the guy that brings it up during Sunday night Football?  

    Part of me thinks that this inflammatory monologue was probably put out by the NFL, so the discussion today would be about gun rights, and not the mental health issues of those suffering from Traumatic Brain Injury (talk about an industry that is profiting from the pain of others). 

    Let me expound on my position.  

    There are 3 ways that people react to tragedies like this. 

    1) Fear,  people are fearful that something like this could happen to them, and most of these people seek protection from the first person that offers it.  No matter the cost.  A great example of this would be the theater owners that contacted the Department of Homeland security following the Aurora shooting, asking for protection. 
    2) Opportunity, those that see the tragedy as an opportunity to implement, objectives and agendas that they already have waiting to go. An Example of this would be the post 9/11 roll-out of the "project for a new American Century" plan for the united states.  DHS, War Capabilities, police state etc.  
    3)  Those that can properly identify the above two reactions, and see them for what they are,  Fear and Opportunity seeking. Those that realize that the anti gun agenda existed long before this tragedy, and the same players are coming out of the woodwork to support gun bans.  Those that can see that people are fearful for their safety, fearful of gun violence, and easily manipulated IE Costas' Loud Music Playing Teens getting murdered in cold blood etc.  

    It was bullshit that Costas did this. I know you disagree, that is fine. 

    Just know that people like Costas,  that seek to take away American's liberties are more detrimental to the Republic, Constitution, and American way of life than any outward enemy.  

    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."

    -Marcus Tullius Cicero. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 8:04 PM ET #17

    Think again rick..

    Why do you equate gun control to gun removal?

    Of course you would say the two are the same, you are an admitted extremist..

    What you are implying with these extreme views and comments is laughable..it would never happen as you are explaining.

    The real crime is that we allowed the gun lobby and industry to turn into a massive, disgusting beast as it has. We have no need for the extremist weapons and bullets we allow and DRASTIC gun regulation and control is needed. I did not say removal (although that wouldnt be the worst thing in my mind) I said regulation.

    The NRA and all the other lobby groups need to be stomped out and the scope of weapons we allow to be manufactured needs to be dramatically reduced.


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    Think again rick..

    Why do you equate gun control to gun removal?

    Of course you would say the two are the same, you are an admitted extremist..

    What you are implying with these extreme views and comments is laughable..it would never happen as you are explaining.

    The real crime is that we allowed the gun lobby and industry to turn into a massive, disgusting beast as it has. We have no need for the extremist weapons and bullets we allow and DRASTIC gun regulation and control is needed. I did not say removal (although that wouldnt be the worst thing in my mind) I said regulation.

    The NRA and all the other lobby groups need to be stomped out and the scope of weapons we allow to be manufactured needs to be dramatically reduced.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 8:14 PM ET #18

    Costas should not have brought it up one way or the other, simple as that. He should have kept it as short and simple as saying thoughts go out to all involved.

    I also hate how people brought signs to the game for the player. The only thing that it should read is "burn in hell". I hate how our society reacts to tragedies like this. He should be highly condemned and scrutinized, yet he is a professional athlete and isn't. He chose to be a murderer and a coward, while leaving an infant to boot.

    I am deeply sorry for the child and her family, but darn that guy.
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    Costas should not have brought it up one way or the other, simple as that. He should have kept it as short and simple as saying thoughts go out to all involved.

    I also hate how people brought signs to the game for the player. The only thing that it should read is "burn in hell". I hate how our society reacts to tragedies like this. He should be highly condemned and scrutinized, yet he is a professional athlete and isn't. He chose to be a murderer and a coward, while leaving an infant to boot.

    I am deeply sorry for the child and her family, but darn that guy.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 9:03 PM ET #19

    Wall,
    Extremist weapons? Lol.

    What should we be allowed to have? What would be a reasonable weapon for self defense, and to use as a final check on the govt. if need be?

    A musket?
    Against tanks and drones?

    But I am sure you believe the 2nd amendment refers to the right to hunt.

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    Wall,
    Extremist weapons? Lol.

    What should we be allowed to have? What would be a reasonable weapon for self defense, and to use as a final check on the govt. if need be?

    A musket?
    Against tanks and drones?

    But I am sure you believe the 2nd amendment refers to the right to hunt.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 9:06 PM ET #20

    I do not really think I am an extremist. I just take my liberties very seriously. I have taken 3 oaths to the constitution and take those seriously as well.


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    I do not really think I am an extremist. I just take my liberties very seriously. I have taken 3 oaths to the constitution and take those seriously as well.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 9:18 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    I do not really think I am an extremist. I just take my liberties very seriously. I have taken 3 oaths to the constitution and take those seriously as well.




    Comparing Costas wanting gun regulation and Bin Laden is extreme..

    Rationalizing weapons which serve zero purpose than to potentially kill dozens of people because of governmental fear is extreme.

    To me this is just another case of free market failure..that business owns government and has fostered the expansion of weapons that kill thousands in society all backed by the fear of government.

    The Second Amendment has been abused and made a mockery of all so the gun lobby and industry and make BILLIONS of dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    I do not really think I am an extremist. I just take my liberties very seriously. I have taken 3 oaths to the constitution and take those seriously as well.




    Comparing Costas wanting gun regulation and Bin Laden is extreme..

    Rationalizing weapons which serve zero purpose than to potentially kill dozens of people because of governmental fear is extreme.

    To me this is just another case of free market failure..that business owns government and has fostered the expansion of weapons that kill thousands in society all backed by the fear of government.

    The Second Amendment has been abused and made a mockery of all so the gun lobby and industry and make BILLIONS of dollars.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 9:22 PM ET #22

    I didn't compare him to bin laden. I said people like him are more detrimental to the rights of Americans than an attack from an outside enemy.
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    I didn't compare him to bin laden. I said people like him are more detrimental to the rights of Americans than an attack from an outside enemy.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 9:25 PM ET #23

    What weapons are OK wall? Which are the good guns that are incapable of harming humans?
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    I don't buy your conspiracy theory about the gun lobby.
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2012 - 9:29 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    I don't buy your conspiracy theory about the gun lobby.


    Who profits from the expansion of weapons?

    Hostess?
    Amazon?
    Microsoft?
    Eli Lilly?

    My opinion of acceptable guns is not what I would legislate for, but what we currently have is also not acceptable.

    Follow the money rick..the gun lobby pumps a TON of dough into influencing government..that is not done for charity purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    I don't buy your conspiracy theory about the gun lobby.


    Who profits from the expansion of weapons?

    Hostess?
    Amazon?
    Microsoft?
    Eli Lilly?

    My opinion of acceptable guns is not what I would legislate for, but what we currently have is also not acceptable.

    Follow the money rick..the gun lobby pumps a TON of dough into influencing government..that is not done for charity purposes.
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