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I don't have time to read the whole thing. I did not see any mention of contraception. The expectation of having someone else pay for your pill and Trojan.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

Curious slim, has Rick Perry been to his border? What about the other border state governors?



Yeah,, as a matter of fact Gov.Rick Perry toured theTexas Border on the Rio Grande earlier this afternoon in a high speed patrol boat to review the areas where illegal immigrants are crossing ...while Obama was at a fund raiser in Austin Texas less than 300 miles away raising money for the DNC...
 
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What's your idea? To continue to expend $10,000 per illegal per year on their maintenance? (And yes, that is NET of any taxes they may pay). That adds up pretty damn fast.

Thousands of miles of border or TENS of MILLIONS of ILLEGALS?? The poorest of the poor, unskilled, illiterate, criminals, sick...........



I dont think this is about ideas...rather the right side just wants to throw out "bad democrats" and "bad illegals" and put up a border..that makes zero sense to me.

If you fellas want to build it, who is going to pay for it and maintain it? I dont get why an examination of REAL costs both long and short term never happens. 

So again..how much will this cost NOW, how long will it take, who and how much to PROPERLY maintain this multi thousand mile border?


 
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We don't have to build a fence along the whole Southern border ..just secure ones in the areas,, that are the easiest to cross..( including ones on Federal lands.).

This will allow more border control agents to cover the open areas better ,,plus some of these areas are deadly to cross..if we don't catch them ..they get to show what they are made of..

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



Yeah,, as a matter of fact Gov.Rick Perry toured theTexas Border on the Rio Grande earlier this afternoon in a high speed patrol boat to review the areas where illegal immigrants are crossing ...while Obama was at a fund raiser in Austin Texas less than 300 miles away raising money for the DNC...

Slim, don't get me started with that idiotic Gov.(count me biased if you want because I voted for Hutchison). He asked for National Guards to deal with this current crisis which makes absolutely no sense at all.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



Yeah,, as a matter of fact Gov.Rick Perry toured theTexas Border on the Rio Grande earlier this afternoon in a high speed patrol boat to review the areas where illegal immigrants are crossing ...while Obama was at a fund raiser in Austin Texas less than 300 miles away raising money for the DNC...

Photo op with Hannity. If anything ever deserved a

 
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Slim, don't get me started with that idiotic Gov.(count me biased if you want because I voted for Hutchison). He asked for National Guards to deal with this current crisis which makes absolutely no sense at all.

She must have had something going for her ..because Richard Cheney endorsed her over Perry too...

 
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

Photo op with Hannity. If anything ever deserved a

Darkhorse, you are such a negative person ..I'm glad that I can  make you laugh ..

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

Darkhorse, you are such a negative person ..I'm glad that I can  make you laugh ..

You always make me laugh slim!

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

She must have had something going for her ..because Richard Cheney endorsed her over Perry too...

I don't care what Cheney did. Now, if he's running, it would be a different story. What does that have anything to do with Perry and his stupidity?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

I don't care what Cheney did. Now, if he's running, it would be a different story. What does that have anything to do with Perry and his stupidity?

Thanx slim, you made me laugh again.

 
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To post #30-
What are the costs- past, present, and future-of our current strategy?
I don't know....
But with those numbers you can make an objective fiscal analysis-
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:

To post #30-
What are the costs- past, present, and future-of our current strategy?
I don't know....
But with those numbers you can make an objective fiscal analysis-

Any estimated costs will be wrong probably to the tune of 2-3 times multiple.


 
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More or less than 3.6 billion
 
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Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

I want these diseased ravaged, lice infested Cental American children to be processed in the Rodtunda !

There was another group that thought as you. Instead of immunizing sick refugee children, they decided it would be better to simply gas them. Maybe that's what we should do instead.

There is a great Twilight Zone episode where a racist, anti-semetic, homophobe gets sent back in time to the late 30s in Eastern Europe as a Jewish person.

It makes me think you would look great wearing the Star of David in Poland in early 1941.

 

 
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As an FYI, the Israel/Egypt fence cost 1.6 billion to upgrade. Not to build but to upgrade.
 
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17 trillion in debt and the fiscal conservative plan is to add billions and billions more to the deficit.

Republicans like SS, rick, and esplande say the immigration issue has nothing to do with race. Then a republican poster like sundance shows exactly what is truly behind the republican war on immigration.

I was watching the news and they interviewed the republican protesters. All the complaints were the same. Immigrants are zombies and the Muslims are coming.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

17 trillion in debt and the fiscal conservative plan is to add billions and billions more to the deficit.

Republicans like SS, rick, and esplande say the immigration issue has nothing to do with race. Then a republican poster like sundance shows exactly what is truly behind the republican war on immigration.

I was watching the news and they interviewed the republican protesters. All the complaints were the same. Immigrants are zombies and the Muslims are coming.

You really nailed it.

Do we really think if all of these immigrants were blue-eyed Croations leaving a civil war, this discussion would ensue?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

17 trillion in debt and the fiscal conservative plan is to add billions and billions more to the deficit.

Republicans like SS, rick, and esplande say the immigration issue has nothing to do with race. Then a republican poster like sundance shows exactly what is truly behind the republican war on immigration.

MoneySRH,  ||thejester.gif' border=0>

That is not factual and another untruth by you ...why do you need to make up stuff ?

..and you don't think you are a liberal wingnut ...ROLF ...LOL.

 

 
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Pulling the race is card is so juvenile, same with the "bad democrats" comment. Its just deflection to avoid discussing the insane way the administration is trying to the handle the crisis. Pull yourselves out of the gutter 


 
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


Any estimated costs will be wrong probably to the tune of 2-3 times multiple.




i know i tried to estimate the cost of deporting illegals and securing the border based on some of the things i do know about our logistics the costs of incarceration and going through the immigration process.  it's impossible because we don't have anything close to the necessary infrastructure and never will but as purely an academic exercise, the highest number we've seen is probably way too low and then you'd multiply it by some multiple to account for all of the people who come back once, twice, three times until you get a fence or whatever set up which of course is another ongoing expense. 

that thread is out there somewhere. 
 
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Here's the thing I don't get ...they are saying unaccompanied children are walking across our Southern border  and as a result border control agents are having to change dippers ...

So we not only have unaccompanied 6 and 7 year olds entering America but unaccompanied baby's and tots...

Where do we send these children back to?

What do we do axe a 7 year old or younger why are you here ? What's your home address..show me some ID ..

My position on this crisis is to hold all of them in Government facilities until they have been properly vetted....don't sprinkle them all over the country with a slips telling them to show up in court in 90 days ..Odds are that's not going to happen..

I feel there is an ulterior motive for the Obama administration not wanting anyone to see, visit or to talk to these Illegal invaders ..not reporters, clergy people..or even Congress members..no one except the Government are allowed to give them anything ..except the Government the Democrat Government..

First impressions are long lasting ..so who will these illegals in the further remember as the only ones that helped them ?

That's right the Government and in particular the Democrats..

Right,,, the Government will take of you and if you want the Government to continue to take care of you remember vote the straight "D" ticket ..

I don't see this as a racist point of view as MoneySRH has labeled me as.. ,,because my person experience is that all Latina women I have known were a hot POA..let them all in.. .


 
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the border situation is a complete cluster f*ck.....and it will only get worse as time passes and the lawyers get involved .....expecting a solution from this administration and Congress is beyond imagination .........

it is like the opposite of the Dirty Harry cops killing the non convicted criminals.....when will the government stop enforcing ANY LAW whatsoever.....

maybe we need more laws and more regulations and more money to throw at the problem ......   

the border....IRS...VA....Mideast.....Hail Hillary I am sure she can get it all straightened out  .....  

what a total mess ......    :-(      WASH DC      grrrrrrrr   liars crooks and thieves ....  shameful 
 
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we have plenty of immigration laws and rules and regulations.  ore than we need.  we don't have many people to enforce them though or any of the other logistical things a country would need to deal with a percentage of our immigration problem. 

you guys are going to have to come to terms with the fact that nothing will ever be done to make any tangible difference on this issue, just a lot of the usual political nonsense.  the only thing that has affected immigration in any appreciable way in the recent past was when the economy went to garbage and many of the jobs dried up. 
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

we have plenty of immigration laws and rules and regulations.  ore than we need.  we don't have many people to enforce them though or any of the other logistical things a country would need to deal with a percentage of our immigration problem. 

you guys are going to have to come to terms with the fact that nothing will ever be done to make any tangible difference on this issue, just a lot of the usual political nonsense.  the only thing that has affected immigration in any appreciable way in the recent past was when the economy went to garbage and many of the jobs dried up. 

Correct..

I think we have plenty of rules and laws, the issue as you state and others is cost. Cost of a border or the cost of executing the laws and deporting..and keeping out.

We as a society are not prepared to handle the costs necessary to do anything..

One thing for sure though, you know it is ELECTION time when the repubs start trotting out illegals to try and increase their voting base.
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