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wallstreetcappers

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Posted: Feb. 25, 2017 - 2:29 PM ET #26

Yeah I again see we disagree, I think as a society our obligation as adults should be to protect and guide our youth so they can maximize their potential during growing and mind expansion years and plan what their future will be, rather than just letting the chips fall where they may.

For example, when we prepare food we try to limit high calorie, high fat, quickie food and instead try and educate and serve as healthy food as possible.. We also try and explain merit in taking effort, thinking of the future and what goals are good to set for not just today or tomorrow but for 5-10 yrs ahead and plan NOW for that path and make decisions to better increase your chances of success.

I think life is much tougher for the youth now than before and I am not a passive parent and until the kiddos are adult age I wont allow pot, alkie, cigs, anything that is an adult decision and positively anything that harms health and detracts from goals and ambition.

I also think as a society we are too passive about influencing kids and I think legalizing pot is a passive lazy decision that appeases a group that will pursue this no matter what, it opens up exploration to those who are influenceable and as a society we should take more precaution and think more about the cost to society rather than the few getting what they want.

If I were to smoke pot (of course I would never do this, as you can tell) I for sure would never let a minor I am responsible for know I did in ANY fashion, the responsibility as a parent of taking care of a minor far surpasses my selfish needs and if the kiddo makes those decisions they will do so as an adult and not influenced in any fashion from me.

I dont know how you can quantify or calculate stats are you tried above, I dont see how you can have a representative accurate sample...there is really no way to accomplish this with any degree of certainty. Logic from the outside tells me quite different than you here and my observation of youth in general and knowing how influential kids are tells me your stats are far from accurate and I dont think it is possible to remotely know unless you were intensely involved with the youth and could observe in detail.

cd329

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Posted: Feb. 25, 2017 - 2:38 PM ET #27

Wallstreet, if you are wanting things completely banned, maybe you should add sugar to the lists of things that should be banned, so kids will never get it. Sugar alone is killing the health of our kids in this country and all over the world.

Just think about how boring this world would become if we started banning all the things people like to do.

I drink alcohol but dont smoke pot. If i had to pick one of those things to ban, i would pick banning alcohol and legalizing pot. Reason being pot is a plant that grows natural on our planet, where as alcohol is a human made product.

do you drink alcohol?

wallstreetcappers

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Posted: Feb. 25, 2017 - 3:15 PM ET #28

Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

Wallstreet, if you are wanting things completely banned, maybe you should add sugar to the lists of things that should be banned, so kids will never get it. Sugar alone is killing the health of our kids in this country and all over the world.

Just think about how boring this world would become if we started banning all the things people like to do.

I guess you are again not reading what I have written. It does not matter if I drink or smoke or do drugs in any fashion, that is not at all the point. Your perspective is the "me vs society" that I referenced above. Because you drink and there are other bad things for the youth out there, who cares if pot is legalized or not...that is your thought. Sugar in MODERATION is not a poison, especially if the right kind of sugar is eaten. In fact the body breaks down all carbs and converts to sugar, so using your faulty logic we should ban all carbs, and that is a majority of our food sources..

Instead of looking to nit pick why not understand the underlying concept here...I've only said it over and over and over. If nobody is going to set a HIGHER standard for the youth, how do you think they will accomplish anything above it? It is a greater responsibility to guide those developing minds than worry if your fix is going to be at risk.

Deflecting the issue surely is not accomplishing anything.

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Posted: Feb. 25, 2017 - 7:12 PM ET #29

i found what wallstreet needs. low thc, high cbd weed. dad weed. we'll convert him one day.

https://www.thestranger.com/feature/2016/04/13/23950787/want-to-relax-dont-let-them-talk-you-into-high-thc-weed

shiek

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Posted: Feb. 25, 2017 - 7:20 PM ET #30

We r on a gambling site and we r talking bout social benefits

As long as we r talking bout it let's at least have an honest discussion. I grew up in sixties/ seventies when drugs were prevalent. Most kids at least experimented w them and in retrospect I was and still would be more concerned w the kids who didn't try it. while I did try some drugs my drug of choice was alcohol. And the biggest problem w drugs i.e. alcohol is....... they work. Virtually ever fun time as a kid young adult related in some way to alcohol /drugs. Yes they can be dangerous/addictive but just as w anything else, including sugar, if done in moderation there is little if any problem. I know plenty of 50/60 yr olds who smoke pot regulary who r very well adjusted and doing fine. Kids may be a different story, but from my perspective peer pressure was just as bad then and also, in retrospect, the best way to ensure that yur kid will try drugs is by being a hands on domineering parent who forbids their kids from doing them. Just my 2$

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Posted: Feb. 25, 2017 - 7:48 PM ET #31

seriously does not the police need prioritize things,

pot does not lead to death in overdose amounts, it leeds to gamma level sleep but you will wake up. long term effects is memory loss, smoke inhalation copd . voice and lung deteriation, however tobacco has very similiar long term side effects.

Does not the individual have the privilidge to choose if he can gamble and drink as well.

and does the police need to inspect what is in your individual pipe your smoking.

wallstreetcappers

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Posted: Feb. 25, 2017 - 11:30 PM ET #32

Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

i found what wallstreet needs. low thc, high cbd weed. dad weed. we'll convert him one day.

https://www.thestranger.com/feature/2016/04/13/23950787/want-to-relax-dont-let-them-talk-you-into-high-thc-weed

Ha I am too practical to waste time on that, life is too short to become dependant on a substance and the cost is too high. I am not at all interested or motivated to get into that...not for me.

TheGoldenGoose

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Posted: Feb. 25, 2017 - 11:49 PM ET #33

I've been smoking most every day for about 47 years now. Not about to change my recreational habits for Trump or anybody else. Marijuana a Schedule One Drug is one of biggest jokes in the legal system.

Party on people.

~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~

cd329

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Posted: Feb. 26, 2017 - 1:02 AM ET #34

So Wallstreet, how does keeping pot illegal, keep it away from kids?
Its been illegal for a very long time and kids still have been doing it forever.

Sorry but this comes down to the parents problem and teaching them not to do it, along with educating them about peer pressure.

People that like to smoke pot shouldnt have to be made criminals f, in order to protect other peoples kids in society, who are going to still get the pot, legal or illegal.

Also please tell me how making pot legal for adults, is going to have any effect on any kids life? They wont be able to go down to the local pot store and buy it, so like you said they will have to wait until they are adults before they can go buy it legally. If they want it before they become an adult then they will have to buy on the black market. So legalized pot has no bearing on any kids at all. Only thing it does like i said is make adults who want to smoke it, criminals, which is totally wrong.
So your whole kid argument is pretty much shot.
Also the govt didnt say they want to go after the legalized pot because its hurting kids, they said all the adult recreational pot users are going to become pain pill junkies, and that is so far from the truth its not funny. It all boils down to Sessions religious belief bullshitttt and wanting to push it down our throats.

Bottomline is legalized pot doesnt hurt kids. Case closed

cd329

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Posted: Feb. 26, 2017 - 1:08 AM ET #35

and one other thing, there is no good amount of white refined sugar that is good for anybody. White sugar and man made fructose are 2 of the biggest evils ever pushed on man kind. Those 2 products which are in everything are causing all the health problems in the world today. You should read the notes about the sugar industry that were uncovered last year. They knew sugar would cause all our health problems, but they bribed the right people to make them put the blame on the fats we eat. Total garbage

Hawky

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Posted: Feb. 26, 2017 - 1:10 AM ET #36

peanuts kill 100x more people a year than weed. grow up guys

VanDutch

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Posted: Feb. 26, 2017 - 1:47 AM ET #37

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C-NART

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Posted: Feb. 26, 2017 - 9:33 AM ET #38

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

I do not agree with recreational use, I think the risks outweigh the rewards to society...same goes for alkie and cigs (so I am cutting you pro-pot guys off at the pass)...

So I am fine if they kick it out, those guys who want it so badly and need it will keep using, just like they did before.

So you would like prohibition of alcohol and tobacco along with marijuana?

As you wrote, "those guys that want it so badly and need it will keep using, just like they did before", why not make it legal so these citizens who are not a harm to otherss do not "need" to interact with "illegal dealers" who are willing to become "criminals" to make a profit on marijuana?

Would make more sense and cents to tax it legally to benefit society financially to fund schools, transportation, small business, etc., while allowing law enforcement and the judicial system (and tax payer $) to focus on crimes of violent nature against other citizens.(All comes against others).

Protect and Serve is a far cry from seek and destroy.

The war on drugs and marijuana in particular is not working as you stated above. If someone wants to use, they will find a way to use the risk to society enters when then user has to interact illegally with someone who is willing to risk selling illegally.

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Posted: Feb. 26, 2017 - 10:08 AM ET #39

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Of course that is the argument used (and will in this thread many times I am sure) but there are lines drawn in any civilized society and I guess I am of the opinion that pot deserves to be inside the boundaries that keeps it away from recreational users.

I think the medicinal value is worth having it controlled and administered, but not to smoke and for sure not recreationally. I think its uses can be extracted and administered without the need to smoke and especially not where there are thousands of variations, that to me is quite telling about those users and their intentions.

I dont like knowing that there is yet another substance out there which our youth can be influenced by and can negatively impact how kids are socially challenged.

So for sure let the extraction value stick, the rest I could do without and I do not see the intrinsic social VALUE in allowing recreational use...notice I did not reference the prison/police angle at all in my analysis..only social value and social cost as to influence.

I don't think the "boundaries that keep it away from recreational users" are working as you wrote previously, since those that to to use will still use as also stated previously in your quotes.

Furthermore, the "lines drawn in any civilized society" do not need to be drawn based a person of your opinion deciding what I am allowed to put in my body in the privacy of my own home.

You also wrote you would ban alcohol and tobacco, I suppose guns are also on your list? You believe the triggers squeeze themselves?

Glad to see you acknowledge the medicinal benefit, but if you are agreeing it is beneficial to society in a medical capacity, then why would you want to keep those benefits illegal?

"That to me, is quite telling about those users and their intentions", as you also wrote above, sounds very judgmental for someone who has supposedly never even tried the herb.

Unfortunately, according to many of your statements on the topic up to this point, I am quite certain your garbage never stinks. "Legalize it, don't criticize it", as the great Peter Tosh once sang truly.

Of course there are "thousands of variations" and illegal dealers when it is not taxed and regulated market.

Not sure about your whole "knowing there is yet another substance out there which our youth can be influenced by" statement comes from. Cannibus Has been around for a very long time if you know the history, and thiugh it had been illegal for a long time as well, as yourself admit, continues to be part of society despite unsuccessful efforts to criminalize it's use.

If you were to use the prison/police angle what would it consist of? The fact that the prisons are full of non-violent drug users and police could use time spent pursuing and arresting these who for the greater percentage are otherwise upstanding, tax paying citizens who were contributing to society in a positive way.

It doesn't take long to Internet search all the stories of individual's and their families lives who have been wrongly incarcerated and for ever scarred due to current legislation.

The total social cost to society for criminalizing the marijuana plant and it's use well beyond what legalization would bring. In fact, going from spending tax money to enforce the law to taxing the market to support society for a benefit to society obviously adds value as well.