Enough with the "it's cruel" nonsense. Until criminals know this country is serious about punishing crime, criminals will continue to abuse us. The BS of having convicted murderers languishing for decades on our dime needs to end. Libs have no problem terminating unborn children.....it should be easy, & natural, for such a law to pass. 
It was an easy law that did get passed.Until that little problem came to light that about 200 people on death row were exonerated by evidence that they didn't commit the crimes that got them on death row.You know that little problem where the state would of killed a person,who was actually innocent of the crimes he was convicted of.And that some (see the case of Rolando Cruz) were actually convicted because investigators had lied,and prosecutors had withheld evidence that they knew exonerated the convicted person.You know that little discrepancy of killing an innocent person probably swayed their thoughts on the death penalty,evidently not yours though.So you could kinda turn around what you stated and say "Conservative's must have no problem terminating innocent people",let's fry them all.Let's kill people,to teach people,that killing people is wrong.
@MrWhatsItToYa
Your conclusions are at the heart of the issue for why it has been rescinded in many states. The thought that killing ONE person makes the entire enterprise not worth supporting is the reason, and I do not know how we can rationalize the death penalty even with just ONE "mistake" let alone likely hundreds and more over the years.
Can someone please explain to me in layman’s terms the argument for killing life after it’s commencement and conception but not after it's , let’s say 30 years old , with 8 killings and 4 rapes under it’s belt .
one of those two has not even done anything wrong yet .
Well there's conceptually and then there is the practical application of America and the rights we're afforded.
America could certainly learn from others countries on how to apply laws and punishments for certain crimes....we are way to lenient on our criminals and the punishment so it does not deter those from committing them like it does in other parts of the world....
I agree with Whatsit, the exoneration of convicted rulings of those who were later deemed to be innocent puts a kibosh on the whole capital punishment theme...what this tells you is that our judicial system is flawed, which a jury of your peers can be, in getting it right...sometimes cases take on a de facto and the law just needs a conviction to show that someone was caught for such act....that puts a lot of pressure on the prosecution to convict someone even if there may be some doubt as to the crime being committed...DNA really has changed quite a bit as a lot of those cases were older and the means to analyze DNA was not as certain, whereas today it is much better and a lot of the reasons these incarcerated death row inmates are exonerated years later because of DNA testing..
The lack of any serious deterrent for crimes has caused a ridiculous spike in crimes committed. Weak DA's let criminals off for a myriad of reasons.
I ain’t get it man . How do we have so many intelligent and astute observers of our society parading around these hallowed halls of this covers.com political forum yet only one has any opinion or declarative sentence to make on how it’s okay to kill a life when it begins but not okay to kill it after it’s caused mass havoc and hysteria by doing numerous diabolical acts with some of those being murder or rape or not even being worthy enough to type out because they are so cruel and it makes me disgusted ?
just asking gentlemen . Does anyone have anything to say on this topic ?
please enlighten me . I’m trying to deduce the truth on this most mesmerizing ordeal .
@spockgato
You won't get any real answers here. I don't oppose abortion. But I also don't oppose capital punishment. There's a big problem that's getting bigger. The Biden admin. allowed the country to be flooded with people from all over the world. The bleeding heart libs believe "they're all coming here for a better life & to work". That's simply not true. Many, let's say 90% even, may fit that bill. But the rest are here to exploit our system of giveaways & lax laws. They don't share American values & are hardly going to assimilate into our society. Our society & economy are a balancing act that has been teetering on the edge for a while. You can't just flood more people into it & not expect serious issues. Nor should you expect the LAC/taxpayer to foot the bill for them.
We've heard the complaint that "jails are suffering from overcrowding". Well guess what? Maybe you need to build more of them. Crime isn't going away, & more people=more crime. There has been one new prison built in WA in the last 30 years. In that time, the population has risen about 50%. I don't think throwing everyone in jail is the answer, but there should never be a serious criminal released on the public because "we don't have room" or "we feel sorry for them". How many times do we have to read about a person that has been arrested 10-20-30+ times that finally kills someone? Lax DA's/prosecutors are doing no one any favors.
Seems like as every day passes the criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens. They know if a crime is committed, hardly anything will happen to them. Small crimes lead to bigger crimes. Give them an inch , they will take a mile. A sad state of affairs and it's getting worse. There is no reason for some of these people to still be breathing on our dime.
@spockgato
It is ok to do so...life for a life is all good in well, but the problem is that many who have had guilty sentences handed down are incorrect verdicts...in those instances, it makes it difficult to march those individuals straight the chair...in instances where there is a confession or overwhelming evidence to support it makes sense, however that is also a caveat...there are instances of unequivocal doubt where this makes sense, but what about those cases where it is not...I do believe we allow inmates to stay on death row far too long in some instances, but the flip side is, as mentioned above, some of those cases were overturned which raises doubt to the system in which we have instilled...
Taking a life through capital punishment is tough and one should be absolutely positive that when you do so you are right or the system breaks down and the citizens become enraged...I do believe that crime should be an eye for an eye...if you kill someone you should also have the same punishment...I mean, if you really want to to deter crime you could even go as far as to state that if you steal and are caught you should have your hand amputated so you couldn't steal again...
I do believe that in the US our punishments are way too lenient...you get caught stealing your punishment is a slap on the wrist so it does not deter a person from trying to get away with it...a year or two is nothing in punishment for trying to get away with something...10 years and you might think twice about it...plus, add that to the fact that our prisons in teh US are some of the nicer prisons around the world with the accommodations that prisoners get...so much so that prisoners often times would rather be locked up then try to fit into society because conditions are better inside...free room and board, free food and time outside even if it is not lengthy...my point is that we are we too catering to the prison system so none of the punishments are strong enough until you get up to chargers with murder and what not...
Change the way punishment is handed out and I would guess you see a drastic change in crimes being committed...get the criminals to think twice about whether or not they want to get caught and spend most of their life in prison...as it stands right now, with punishments lessening, you can see how many low level crimes are being committed now because they are not being prosecuted....crimes went up in this case, which of course they would...for every time a criminal committed a crime and was caught, how many times had they committed that crime and were not caught...odds are, they were not caught the first time so they continued...maybe not in murder cases, but I am referring to lower level crimes...
When talking about inmates, these fucks are animals. If you ever want to know why some humans should have no rights, just go to a max or super max.
WE ALL KNOW if the prison system let a sex offender out and they/them/whoever is in your apartment building or within your kids bus stop, this is not even a conversation.
IF anyone wants to debate this, the floor is yours..
Breaking: Despite widespread support for clemency based on serious doubts about the integrity of Marcellus Williams’ conviction and death sentence, Missouri Governor Mike Parson has denied clemency to Mr. Williams, who is scheduled to be executed today at 6 p.m. CT.
The victim’s family has made clear they oppose Mr. Williams’ execution, and the St. Louis County Prosecutor moved to vacate his conviction. That motion was denied after the discovery that the trial prosecutor had contaminated potentially exculpatory DNA evidence. The Prosecuting Attorney also confessed constitutional error based on racially biased jury selection; appeals relating to this issue remain pending in state and federal court.
Mr. Williams’ case has drawn concern across the political and faith spectrum. More than one million concerned citizens petitioned Governor Parson to commute Mr. Williams’ death sentence, as did a group of 69 Missouri faith leaders from the Muslim, Christian, and Jewish communities.
Below is a statement from Tricia Rojo Bushnell, an attorney for Marcellus Williams
“Missouri is poised to execute an innocent man, an outcome that calls into question the legitimacy of the entire criminal justice system. Given everything we know about Marcellus Williams’ case—including the new revelations that the trial prosecutor removed at least one Black juror because of his race, and opposition to this execution from the victim’s family and the sitting Prosecuting Attorney, the courts must step in to prevent this irreparable injustice.”
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