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    Cartels sending migrant mobs of thousands to overwhelm the US border

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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2024 - 8:45 PM ET #1

    The Biden migrant crime will be with us for decades. This will be the thing most remembered out of all the horrible policies Biden put in place.

     

     

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    The Biden migrant crime will be with us for decades. This will be the thing most remembered out of all the horrible policies Biden put in place.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2024 - 9:00 PM ET #2

    JoeBama:

    2021: "The border is secure!"

    2022: "The border is secure!!"

    2023: "The border is secure!!!"

    2024 (Election year): "I've known the border is NOT secure, since I opened it in 2021.

    I need $Billions, to fix it.

    And it's Trump's and the Republicans' fault that the border isn't secure" ????

    ..

    P.S. I'm sending much of those $Billions to Ukraine, to help with THEIR border.

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    JoeBama:

    2021: "The border is secure!"

    2022: "The border is secure!!"

    2023: "The border is secure!!!"

    2024 (Election year): "I've known the border is NOT secure, since I opened it in 2021.

    I need $Billions, to fix it.

    And it's Trump's and the Republicans' fault that the border isn't secure" ????

    ..

    P.S. I'm sending much of those $Billions to Ukraine, to help with THEIR border.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2024 - 9:01 PM ET #3

    Saw that in the comments earlier in a story about it.

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    Saw that in the comments earlier in a story about it.

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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2024 - 9:03 PM ET #4

    Yup, border is secure....like an open bar at a wedding....

     

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    Yup, border is secure....like an open bar at a wedding....

     

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    Saddest part is the amount of executive orders to open the border and change everything that was working and in place. Now they are trying to get housing, healthcare, schooling and pay almost all expenses to people we cannot even vet or know who they are. We have a ton of homeless and vets on the streets that need help but they look past the American citizens.

     

     

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    Saddest part is the amount of executive orders to open the border and change everything that was working and in place. Now they are trying to get housing, healthcare, schooling and pay almost all expenses to people we cannot even vet or know who they are. We have a ton of homeless and vets on the streets that need help but they look past the American citizens.

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by witswits:

    Saddest part is the amount of executive orders to open the border and change everything that was working and in place. Now they are trying to get housing, healthcare, schooling and pay almost all expenses to people we cannot even vet or know who they are. We have a ton of homeless and vets on the streets that need help but they look past the American citizens.

    I get your point about the homeless and vets.  But I disagree with using this as a reason to not use money on illegals.  These are very separate issues with quite different causes.  In most advanced countries there are several safeguards along the way that prevent someone from living under a bridge.  By and large, they choose to end up there because they do not use the resources available, or refuse them because of underlying issues; or the resources are failing because of various reasons, like mismanagement or poor application.

    A better comparison, even, would be to say the funds should be given to any citizens (whether homeless, or not) that would gladly accept them and make use of them like the illegals gladly do.  Maybe it could be said that some addicts are enabled because of simply giving them money and resources; and you could argue that simply giving illegals money and resources, once they get here, that you are enabling them and encouraging, or rewarding, something that is the wrong behavior.  But I still think it is an unnecessary comparison that makes the point seem weak on its own -- when it is not weak at all.

    But I do not like using this comparison to start with.  It is not necessary.  It simply clouds the subject and makes it seem as though the argument against it does not stand up well enough on its own, so it needs to be supported with saying the money could be better used on something else.  That turns it into a very subjective argument when it is not the correct way to argue against it.

    This is normally a typical Liberal way to argue against something.  

    For example, look at the other thread where the Liberal uses this tactic about the illegal crime issue.  He says that more citizens commit crimes than illegals.  This has absolutely nothing to do with the argument.  That is an entirely separate issue -- the crime by citizens can still be addressed.  But to try to justify allowing illegals because they do not commit crimes is silly, even if it were true -- which it isn't.

    Even if the illegals did not commit ANY crimes at all they should not be allowed in; AND no funds should be given to them, whether those funds could be used for what another person thinks is a better use of them or not.

    As I mentioned in the other thread, look at some of the European countries that can serve as leading indicators of what is ahead.  They are having huge problems and there are protests and riots about the issue with illegals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witswits:

    Saddest part is the amount of executive orders to open the border and change everything that was working and in place. Now they are trying to get housing, healthcare, schooling and pay almost all expenses to people we cannot even vet or know who they are. We have a ton of homeless and vets on the streets that need help but they look past the American citizens.

    I get your point about the homeless and vets.  But I disagree with using this as a reason to not use money on illegals.  These are very separate issues with quite different causes.  In most advanced countries there are several safeguards along the way that prevent someone from living under a bridge.  By and large, they choose to end up there because they do not use the resources available, or refuse them because of underlying issues; or the resources are failing because of various reasons, like mismanagement or poor application.

    A better comparison, even, would be to say the funds should be given to any citizens (whether homeless, or not) that would gladly accept them and make use of them like the illegals gladly do.  Maybe it could be said that some addicts are enabled because of simply giving them money and resources; and you could argue that simply giving illegals money and resources, once they get here, that you are enabling them and encouraging, or rewarding, something that is the wrong behavior.  But I still think it is an unnecessary comparison that makes the point seem weak on its own -- when it is not weak at all.

    But I do not like using this comparison to start with.  It is not necessary.  It simply clouds the subject and makes it seem as though the argument against it does not stand up well enough on its own, so it needs to be supported with saying the money could be better used on something else.  That turns it into a very subjective argument when it is not the correct way to argue against it.

    This is normally a typical Liberal way to argue against something.  

    For example, look at the other thread where the Liberal uses this tactic about the illegal crime issue.  He says that more citizens commit crimes than illegals.  This has absolutely nothing to do with the argument.  That is an entirely separate issue -- the crime by citizens can still be addressed.  But to try to justify allowing illegals because they do not commit crimes is silly, even if it were true -- which it isn't.

    Even if the illegals did not commit ANY crimes at all they should not be allowed in; AND no funds should be given to them, whether those funds could be used for what another person thinks is a better use of them or not.

    As I mentioned in the other thread, look at some of the European countries that can serve as leading indicators of what is ahead.  They are having huge problems and there are protests and riots about the issue with illegals.

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     you know it , i know it , England , France , and now Germany and Italy ..will be Islamic Republics first - just by birthrates - , and later Islamic Caliphates , by the time i hope 

     (estimated around 2045) i hope i won't be around anymore to see it 

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     you know it , i know it , England , France , and now Germany and Italy ..will be Islamic Republics first - just by birthrates - , and later Islamic Caliphates , by the time i hope 

     (estimated around 2045) i hope i won't be around anymore to see it 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2024 - 12:27 AM ET #8

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1770030227390914624

     

     

    the Invasion and the goals of the Obama / Biden Regime 

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    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1770030227390914624

     

     

    the Invasion and the goals of the Obama / Biden Regime 

     
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    Hard to watch the destruction of the US and what this administration has done in only 4 short years. 

    Not sure anyone will be able to correct the damage at this point. The Biden migrant crime will be with us for decades and change everything as we know it. Soldiers in subways, at stores checking bags before you go in and a police state you'd never imagine possible in the USA.

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    Hard to watch the destruction of the US and what this administration has done in only 4 short years. 

    Not sure anyone will be able to correct the damage at this point. The Biden migrant crime will be with us for decades and change everything as we know it. Soldiers in subways, at stores checking bags before you go in and a police state you'd never imagine possible in the USA.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by witswits:

    Hard to watch the destruction of the US and what this administration has done in only 4 short years.  Not sure anyone will be able to correct the damage at this point. The Biden migrant crime will be with us for decades and change everything as we know it. Soldiers in subways, at stores checking bags before you go in and a police state you'd never imagine possible in the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witswits:

    Hard to watch the destruction of the US and what this administration has done in only 4 short years.  Not sure anyone will be able to correct the damage at this point. The Biden migrant crime will be with us for decades and change everything as we know it. Soldiers in subways, at stores checking bags before you go in and a police state you'd never imagine possible in the USA.

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    Biden Migrant Crime rates up there with Drain the Swamp & Build the Wall.

    It's all  rhetorical bullshit!

    When will you guys ever learn you're getting played again by a dangerous con man who doesn't care about anyone other than himself?

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    Biden Migrant Crime rates up there with Drain the Swamp & Build the Wall.

    It's all  rhetorical bullshit!

    When will you guys ever learn you're getting played again by a dangerous con man who doesn't care about anyone other than himself?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Biden Migrant Crime rates up there with Drain the Swamp & Build the Wall. It's all  rhetorical bullshit! When will you guys ever learn you're getting played again by a dangerous con man who doesn't care about anyone other than himself?

    Both Joe Biden and Donald J. Trump will be long gone and the horror of the Biden migrant crime will haunt the USA for decades. Gangs, drugs, out-of-control crime will be the demise of many small towns.

    No one wants to be a policeman or military due to what the Dems did with defund and demoralize any law enforcement. Well we are seeing the results and when they put military in towns, subways and everywhere you can image, your chickens,,,, are coming home to roost.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Biden Migrant Crime rates up there with Drain the Swamp & Build the Wall. It's all  rhetorical bullshit! When will you guys ever learn you're getting played again by a dangerous con man who doesn't care about anyone other than himself?

    Both Joe Biden and Donald J. Trump will be long gone and the horror of the Biden migrant crime will haunt the USA for decades. Gangs, drugs, out-of-control crime will be the demise of many small towns.

    No one wants to be a policeman or military due to what the Dems did with defund and demoralize any law enforcement. Well we are seeing the results and when they put military in towns, subways and everywhere you can image, your chickens,,,, are coming home to roost.

     

     
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     White people will be a minority within two generations.. People better learn to deal with it.

    Actually, most of us won't even be around anymore. 

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     White people will be a minority within two generations.. People better learn to deal with it.

    Actually, most of us won't even be around anymore. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @witswits  White people will be a minority within two generations.. People better learn to deal with it. Actually, most of us won't even be around anymore.

    What does any of this have to do with white people? Drugs, gangs and migrant crime is coming from all races. Please stay on topic and do not do what every Dem does when faced with a problem they caused. They go always go to calling everyone else a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @witswits  White people will be a minority within two generations.. People better learn to deal with it. Actually, most of us won't even be around anymore.

    What does any of this have to do with white people? Drugs, gangs and migrant crime is coming from all races. Please stay on topic and do not do what every Dem does when faced with a problem they caused. They go always go to calling everyone else a racist.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by witswits:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @witswits  White people will be a minority within two generations.. People better learn to deal with it. Actually, most of us won't even be around anymore. What does any of this have to do with white people? Drugs, gangs and migrant crime is coming from all races. Please stay on topic and do not do what every Dem does when faced with a problem they caused. They go always go to calling everyone else a racist.

    Deflect my ass! I made a statement of fact. There's no racial insuation, so don't pull that shit with me. I'm staying out of your threads.

    So you can fuck off! 

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    Quote Originally Posted by witswits:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @witswits  White people will be a minority within two generations.. People better learn to deal with it. Actually, most of us won't even be around anymore. What does any of this have to do with white people? Drugs, gangs and migrant crime is coming from all races. Please stay on topic and do not do what every Dem does when faced with a problem they caused. They go always go to calling everyone else a racist.

    Deflect my ass! I made a statement of fact. There's no racial insuation, so don't pull that shit with me. I'm staying out of your threads.

    So you can fuck off! 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by witswits: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @witswits  White people will be a minority within two generations.. People better learn to deal with it. Actually, most of us won't even be around anymore. What does any of this have to do with white people? Drugs, gangs and migrant crime is coming from all races. Please stay on topic and do not do what every Dem does when faced with a problem they caused. They go always go to calling everyone else a racist. Deflect my ass! I made a statement of fact. There's no racial insuation, so don't pull that shit with me. I'm staying out of your threads. So you can fuck off!

    You not posting in my thread. People better learn to deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by witswits: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @witswits  White people will be a minority within two generations.. People better learn to deal with it. Actually, most of us won't even be around anymore. What does any of this have to do with white people? Drugs, gangs and migrant crime is coming from all races. Please stay on topic and do not do what every Dem does when faced with a problem they caused. They go always go to calling everyone else a racist. Deflect my ass! I made a statement of fact. There's no racial insuation, so don't pull that shit with me. I'm staying out of your threads. So you can fuck off!

    You not posting in my thread. People better learn to deal with it.

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    White people will be a minority

    but 

    There's no racial insuation

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    White people will be a minority

    but 

    There's no racial insuation

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    The better question would be:  will there still be a majority of law-abiding citizens or will they be overrun with illegals and criminals (illegal and legal).

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    The better question would be:  will there still be a majority of law-abiding citizens or will they be overrun with illegals and criminals (illegal and legal).

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     And what about crime from white men with guns who go crazy and shoot up a bunch of kids people at church people at concerts  how will that ever get fixed?

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     And what about crime from white men with guns who go crazy and shoot up a bunch of kids people at church people at concerts  how will that ever get fixed?

     
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    Trump the piece of new_poop is 2 dumb to read and understand a briefing will fix everything. new_laugh_cry I got a bottle of bleach to cure any disease to all the magazines who believe in the devil in a red tie

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    Trump the piece of new_poop is 2 dumb to read and understand a briefing will fix everything. new_laugh_cry I got a bottle of bleach to cure any disease to all the magazines who believe in the devil in a red tie

     
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    @witswits  And what about crime from white men with guns who go crazy and shoot up a bunch of kids people at church people at concerts  how will that ever get fixed?

    I think they have a thread about this already.  This one is about the cartels and illegals.

    But you can start another thread on that topic if you like.  I think it points out in the other one the vast amount of violent crime and statistics by race and how the Media and the Left just key in on one demographic.

     Hope that helps get you started on your research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyncapper:

    @witswits  And what about crime from white men with guns who go crazy and shoot up a bunch of kids people at church people at concerts  how will that ever get fixed?

    I think they have a thread about this already.  This one is about the cartels and illegals.

    But you can start another thread on that topic if you like.  I think it points out in the other one the vast amount of violent crime and statistics by race and how the Media and the Left just key in on one demographic.

     Hope that helps get you started on your research.

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     How many migrant murders in total have happened since they've been coming over Tye last couple of years?

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     How many migrant murders in total have happened since they've been coming over Tye last couple of years?

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyncapper:

    @witswits  And what about crime from white men with guns who go crazy and shoot up a bunch of kids people at church people at concerts  how will that ever get fixed?

    I think you made the point that all races can create horrible crimes. You seem to want to only point to white people for some reason. You probably agree with putting the leading opponent of a upcoming election in jail, rather then allowing democracy to work and the citizens vote who they want to lead the Country. 

    Lets go back to the topic at hand on the cartels sending all races of people into the US.  Biden on day one in office reversing so many polices that caused this. Biden can once again tell Mexico that they have to remain in Mexico or he will tariff them like the former leader did. Seems we had control and the massive did not see free everything that is now offered.

    I am surprised many of the illegals that are here now, do not go to Mexico and re-enter for a ever better deal now. Free housing, schooling, healthcare and handouts galore. The homeless US citizens or vets on the street do not have it that good.

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyncapper:

    @witswits  And what about crime from white men with guns who go crazy and shoot up a bunch of kids people at church people at concerts  how will that ever get fixed?

    I think you made the point that all races can create horrible crimes. You seem to want to only point to white people for some reason. You probably agree with putting the leading opponent of a upcoming election in jail, rather then allowing democracy to work and the citizens vote who they want to lead the Country. 

    Lets go back to the topic at hand on the cartels sending all races of people into the US.  Biden on day one in office reversing so many polices that caused this. Biden can once again tell Mexico that they have to remain in Mexico or he will tariff them like the former leader did. Seems we had control and the massive did not see free everything that is now offered.

    I am surprised many of the illegals that are here now, do not go to Mexico and re-enter for a ever better deal now. Free housing, schooling, healthcare and handouts galore. The homeless US citizens or vets on the street do not have it that good.

     

     

     

     

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