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    CLINTON INTERNALS SHOW 11-POINT LEAD IN PA

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    KOAJ
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2008 - 12:07 PM ET #1

    from drudge:

    Controlled excitement is building inside of Clinton's inner circle as closely guarded internal polling shows the former first lady with an 11-point lead in Pennsylvania!

    Clinton is polling near to nearly 2 to 1 over Obama in many regions of the state, a top insider explained to the DRUDGE REPORT.

    A strong coalition of middle-class and religious voters has all but secured a Clinton victory Tuesday, with headline-making margins, the campaign believes.

    "It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of how much," a senior campaign source said Monday morning.

    When pressed if the dramatic internal polling numbers could somehow be flawed in a state as demographically complex as Pennsylvania, and with new voter registration surging to unseen levels, the campaign insider held firm.

    "Senator Obama would be wise not to unpack his bags quite yet."

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    With less than 24 hours to go until the beginning of the end of primary season voting, Obama has handedly captured Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, but has failed to dominate suburban sprawl, the campaign's polling reveals.

    An 11-point victory in Pennsylvania for Clinton would expand on margins scored in Ohio.

    Clinton will quickly move to feverishly focus on Indiana starting Tuesday night, hoping to somehow convince superdelegates that she not only has superior stamina but has crucial swing state appeal.

    Without superdelegate intervention, Clinton still faces impossible math to nomination.

    Developing...
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    Dem voters, question: What is the liklihood of Hillary swinging the superdelegates? What is the liklihood that she will try?

    It will be fun to watch. I cant imagine the superdelegates wont follow the national popular/delegate vote but...how will they view florida and michigan? how will they view hillary's wins in CA, MA, NY, NJ, OH, TX?
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    from drudge:

    Controlled excitement is building inside of Clinton's inner circle as closely guarded internal polling shows the former first lady with an 11-point lead in Pennsylvania!

    Clinton is polling near to nearly 2 to 1 over Obama in many regions of the state, a top insider explained to the DRUDGE REPORT.

    A strong coalition of middle-class and religious voters has all but secured a Clinton victory Tuesday, with headline-making margins, the campaign believes.

    "It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of how much," a senior campaign source said Monday morning.

    When pressed if the dramatic internal polling numbers could somehow be flawed in a state as demographically complex as Pennsylvania, and with new voter registration surging to unseen levels, the campaign insider held firm.

    "Senator Obama would be wise not to unpack his bags quite yet."

    MORE

    With less than 24 hours to go until the beginning of the end of primary season voting, Obama has handedly captured Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, but has failed to dominate suburban sprawl, the campaign's polling reveals.

    An 11-point victory in Pennsylvania for Clinton would expand on margins scored in Ohio.

    Clinton will quickly move to feverishly focus on Indiana starting Tuesday night, hoping to somehow convince superdelegates that she not only has superior stamina but has crucial swing state appeal.

    Without superdelegate intervention, Clinton still faces impossible math to nomination.

    Developing...
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    Dem voters, question: What is the liklihood of Hillary swinging the superdelegates? What is the liklihood that she will try?

    It will be fun to watch. I cant imagine the superdelegates wont follow the national popular/delegate vote but...how will they view florida and michigan? how will they view hillary's wins in CA, MA, NY, NJ, OH, TX?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2008 - 12:17 PM ET #2

    The Obama cartel will be ferrying his voters to the polls by taxicab in the big cities of PA.  They will , no doubt, be voting for any deceased relatives that are still listed in the voter's books.  Yes, that's snide, I know.  Stuff like that happens, look at LBJ and his 28 votes from the cemetary that put him over the hump.
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    The Obama cartel will be ferrying his voters to the polls by taxicab in the big cities of PA.  They will , no doubt, be voting for any deceased relatives that are still listed in the voter's books.  Yes, that's snide, I know.  Stuff like that happens, look at LBJ and his 28 votes from the cemetary that put him over the hump.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2008 - 12:19 PM ET #3

    ap1 - obama is from chicago where the daley's asked you to vote early and often



    will be fun watching the news tomorrow night
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    ap1 - obama is from chicago where the daley's asked you to vote early and often



    will be fun watching the news tomorrow night
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2008 - 12:26 PM ET #4

    actually it was a capone quote
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    actually it was a capone quote
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2008 - 1:56 PM ET #5

    Entertaining, but it makes no difference.  55-44 is not nearly a big enough win for her.  She needs at least 60%+ to even begin to smile.  And she needs it everywhere from here on out.
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    Entertaining, but it makes no difference.  55-44 is not nearly a big enough win for her.  She needs at least 60%+ to even begin to smile.  And she needs it everywhere from here on out.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2008 - 2:07 PM ET #6

    agreed d2 - do you think the superdelegates will look at the states she's won?

    she will pitch that Obama is unelectable. she cares more about power than the good of the party IMO
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    agreed d2 - do you think the superdelegates will look at the states she's won?

    she will pitch that Obama is unelectable. she cares more about power than the good of the party IMO
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2008 - 2:15 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    agreed d2 - do you think the superdelegates will look at the states she's won?

    she will pitch that Obama is unelectable. she cares more about power than the good of the party IMO


    That's why the Democrats almost never win the White House.  They always pick unelectable candidates who care only about their personal power.  It's still amazing in a country with many more Democrats than Republicans, that the GOP keeps getting the White House.  The Democrats almost always control Congress.  If they knew how to pick a leader, they'd control the White House also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    agreed d2 - do you think the superdelegates will look at the states she's won?

    she will pitch that Obama is unelectable. she cares more about power than the good of the party IMO


    That's why the Democrats almost never win the White House.  They always pick unelectable candidates who care only about their personal power.  It's still amazing in a country with many more Democrats than Republicans, that the GOP keeps getting the White House.  The Democrats almost always control Congress.  If they knew how to pick a leader, they'd control the White House also.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2008 - 3:00 PM ET #8

    My wife's Daddy used to say that the Mayor of Hot Springs National Park, Arkansas always told the fellows at the bars to do that.  He said "and we did."
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    My wife's Daddy used to say that the Mayor of Hot Springs National Park, Arkansas always told the fellows at the bars to do that.  He said "and we did."
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2008 - 3:16 PM ET #9

    coming to denver split baby
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    Quote Originally Posted by JG33:



    That's why the Democrats almost never win the White House.  They always pick unelectable candidates who care only about their personal power.  It's still amazing in a country with many more Democrats than Republicans, that the GOP keeps getting the White House.  The Democrats almost always control Congress.  If they knew how to pick a leader, they'd control the White House also.


    John Kerry was a terrible candidate, although his rationale for getting nominated was that he could fare better than Dean.  Gore was not unelectable.  The story of that election is another story.  Clinton obviously was electable, twice.  Before that, Reagan was so popular that of course he and Bush I won.  Not sure I buy your theory.  But John Kerry was awful.  Obama is not John Kerry.  Hillary is the unelectable one.
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    That's why the Democrats almost never win the White House.  They always pick unelectable candidates who care only about their personal power.  It's still amazing in a country with many more Democrats than Republicans, that the GOP keeps getting the White House.  The Democrats almost always control Congress.  If they knew how to pick a leader, they'd control the White House also.


    John Kerry was a terrible candidate, although his rationale for getting nominated was that he could fare better than Dean.  Gore was not unelectable.  The story of that election is another story.  Clinton obviously was electable, twice.  Before that, Reagan was so popular that of course he and Bush I won.  Not sure I buy your theory.  But John Kerry was awful.  Obama is not John Kerry.  Hillary is the unelectable one.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2008 - 5:21 PM ET #11

    Depeche,

    How do you see Obama being electable? I dont care about racial issues, but America does in general.

    Add that these character issues are going to get WORSE before they get better.

    I think Obama gets crushed if he is the nominee, and I am not sure I would vote for him given some of his choices and views.

    The country needs to improve over the last 8 yrs of digression and I dont see Obama as the person who will improve the situation, nor have the experience and skills to lead the country.

    The Repubs are going to shred him...what we have seen so far is nothing..it will get worse and he will get killed come election day.
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    Depeche,

    How do you see Obama being electable? I dont care about racial issues, but America does in general.

    Add that these character issues are going to get WORSE before they get better.

    I think Obama gets crushed if he is the nominee, and I am not sure I would vote for him given some of his choices and views.

    The country needs to improve over the last 8 yrs of digression and I dont see Obama as the person who will improve the situation, nor have the experience and skills to lead the country.

    The Repubs are going to shred him...what we have seen so far is nothing..it will get worse and he will get killed come election day.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2008 - 5:22 PM ET #12

    Depeche,

    Clinton was the only really electable candidate they've had recently.  He's also the only one that's not way out to the left.  He was the only moderate they've had.

    Gore was unelectable.  That election, despite what happened in Florida, should not have been close.  You had a sitting VP from a very popular president.  The economy looked to be amazing.  There is no way Gore should have even been in a close election.  But, he was too far out to the left.

    If you notice, Republicans tend to put up moderate candidates.  Remember, George W Bush was considered a moderate and was known for crossing the aisle as governor of Texas.  And, apart from the huge differences in foreign policy, he's still more moderate than most.
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    Depeche,

    Clinton was the only really electable candidate they've had recently.  He's also the only one that's not way out to the left.  He was the only moderate they've had.

    Gore was unelectable.  That election, despite what happened in Florida, should not have been close.  You had a sitting VP from a very popular president.  The economy looked to be amazing.  There is no way Gore should have even been in a close election.  But, he was too far out to the left.

    If you notice, Republicans tend to put up moderate candidates.  Remember, George W Bush was considered a moderate and was known for crossing the aisle as governor of Texas.  And, apart from the huge differences in foreign policy, he's still more moderate than most.
     
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    https://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/16/politics/washingtonpost/main4019777.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4019777

    People do not trust Clinton. If the argument to the supers will be that Obama is not electable, what do you think Obama's team will tell them then ;-)

    Obama will become the nominee for the democratic party, end of story.

    If he is electable, time will tell in november.
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    https://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/16/politics/washingtonpost/main4019777.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4019777

    People do not trust Clinton. If the argument to the supers will be that Obama is not electable, what do you think Obama's team will tell them then ;-)

    Obama will become the nominee for the democratic party, end of story.

    If he is electable, time will tell in november.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2008 - 6:53 PM ET #14

    mikael - the problem is that both are not "electable"...not against a tax cutting, spending hawk, war hero

    if the dems had run a centrist in 00, 04, or even 08, they would be looking at 12 years

    gore and kerry and now hillary/obama are way too far to the left for most of america
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    mikael - the problem is that both are not "electable"...not against a tax cutting, spending hawk, war hero

    if the dems had run a centrist in 00, 04, or even 08, they would be looking at 12 years

    gore and kerry and now hillary/obama are way too far to the left for most of america
     
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    Clinton was the only really electable candidate they've had recently.
     
    I will somewhat disagree with that statement. with out H Ross Perot running in 1992, "H W" would have kicked Slick Willie's ASS and been reelected. then in 1996, the Republicans ran that old stiff Dole against an incumbent Clinton that had the benefits of a Gingrich Republican balanced budget, low commodity prices and the internet boom in the economy. but even with those advantages, against someone like Colin Powell I think he would have lost because the Clinton's were ALWAYS a partizan lightning rod even BEFORE the Monica BJ.
     
    BOTH parties selection of candidates has SUCKED since the 1950's including box chasing JFK AND that old FRAUD Reagan. there hasn't been one true STATESMAN since Dwight David Eisenhower.
     
    as for McCain. he will have us in a bullshit shooting war with Iran within 3 month of taking the oath of office
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    Clinton was the only really electable candidate they've had recently.
     
    I will somewhat disagree with that statement. with out H Ross Perot running in 1992, "H W" would have kicked Slick Willie's ASS and been reelected. then in 1996, the Republicans ran that old stiff Dole against an incumbent Clinton that had the benefits of a Gingrich Republican balanced budget, low commodity prices and the internet boom in the economy. but even with those advantages, against someone like Colin Powell I think he would have lost because the Clinton's were ALWAYS a partizan lightning rod even BEFORE the Monica BJ.
     
    BOTH parties selection of candidates has SUCKED since the 1950's including box chasing JFK AND that old FRAUD Reagan. there hasn't been one true STATESMAN since Dwight David Eisenhower.
     
    as for McCain. he will have us in a bullshit shooting war with Iran within 3 month of taking the oath of office
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

    Clinton was the only really electable candidate they've had recently.
     
    I will somewhat disagree with that statement. with out H Ross Perot running in 1992, "H W" would have kicked Slick Willie's ASS and been reelected. then in 1996, the Republicans ran that old stiff Dole against an incumbent Clinton that had the benefits of a Gingrich Republican balanced budget, low commodity prices and the internet boom in the economy. but even with those advantages, against someone like Colin Powell I think he would have lost because the Clinton's were ALWAYS a partizan lightning rod even BEFORE the Monica BJ.
     
    BOTH parties selection of candidates has SUCKED since the 1950's including box chasing JFK AND that old FRAUD Reagan. there hasn't been one true STATESMAN since Dwight David Eisenhower.
     
    as for McCain. he will have us in a bullshit shooting war with Iran within 3 month of taking the oath of office




    A great Rat summation.


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    Clinton was the only really electable candidate they've had recently.
     
    I will somewhat disagree with that statement. with out H Ross Perot running in 1992, "H W" would have kicked Slick Willie's ASS and been reelected. then in 1996, the Republicans ran that old stiff Dole against an incumbent Clinton that had the benefits of a Gingrich Republican balanced budget, low commodity prices and the internet boom in the economy. but even with those advantages, against someone like Colin Powell I think he would have lost because the Clinton's were ALWAYS a partizan lightning rod even BEFORE the Monica BJ.
     
    BOTH parties selection of candidates has SUCKED since the 1950's including box chasing JFK AND that old FRAUD Reagan. there hasn't been one true STATESMAN since Dwight David Eisenhower.
     
    as for McCain. he will have us in a bullshit shooting war with Iran within 3 month of taking the oath of office




    A great Rat summation.


     
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    the problem is that both are not "electable"...not against a tax cutting, spending hawk, war hero
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    Didn't Nader have a role in the Dems losing in 2000?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    the problem is that both are not "electable"...not against a tax cutting, spending hawk, war hero
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    mccain 08 is a tax cutter...a few years ago he was not

    war hero is not really debatable...5 years in a POW camp

    mccain on spending - he will work to make every single US Govt agency transparent (assuming not the military/CIA/FBI etc)

    cut taxes, cut spending, strong defense = a vote from me

    rd - yes, but if al gore had won his own state, the SCOTUS case would have never happened.
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    mccain 08 is a tax cutter...a few years ago he was not

    war hero is not really debatable...5 years in a POW camp

    mccain on spending - he will work to make every single US Govt agency transparent (assuming not the military/CIA/FBI etc)

    cut taxes, cut spending, strong defense = a vote from me

    rd - yes, but if al gore had won his own state, the SCOTUS case would have never happened.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

     
    BOTH parties selection of candidates has SUCKED since the 1950's including box chasing JFK AND that old FRAUD Reagan. there hasn't been one true STATESMAN since Dwight David Eisenhower.
     



    I have said, there has not been a good president in my lifetime.  (I was born during the Nixon presidency). But then again, how many countries have had good leaders recently?  I can't think of many.  Try to name good leaders of the past 40 years from any country.  I bet you the list will be very small.
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    I have said, there has not been a good president in my lifetime.  (I was born during the Nixon presidency). But then again, how many countries have had good leaders recently?  I can't think of many.  Try to name good leaders of the past 40 years from any country.  I bet you the list will be very small.
     
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    Did my Part and Voted for Obama today....Thank God he has come on the world stage at this moment to fix the Mess the Right Wing Wackos have made of this country...and the Moral gutter we are in now as a Nation....

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    Did my Part and Voted for Obama today....Thank God he has come on the world stage at this moment to fix the Mess the Right Wing Wackos have made of this country...and the Moral gutter we are in now as a Nation....

     
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    That being said the poorer, less educated, more religious white people in the Western ,Middle and Northeastern part of the state will prob give Hill the win...scary those are the same losers that loved George W Fuckhead....
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    I thought the whole idea of War was not to get caught by the other side...and Just remember this guy LOST TO W...
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankthebank$:

    That being said the poorer, less educated, more religious white people in the Western ,Middle and Northeastern part of the state will prob give Hill the win...scary those are the same losers that loved George W Fuckhead....



    Hmmmm...You even sound like Obama with that comment.  Right, only educated people would vote for Obama???

    Just what the US needs....  a communist for a leader.  This guy is not someone who should lead a nation.  The US doesn't need a racist as President.
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    That being said the poorer, less educated, more religious white people in the Western ,Middle and Northeastern part of the state will prob give Hill the win...scary those are the same losers that loved George W Fuckhead....



    Hmmmm...You even sound like Obama with that comment.  Right, only educated people would vote for Obama???

    Just what the US needs....  a communist for a leader.  This guy is not someone who should lead a nation.  The US doesn't need a racist as President.
     
     
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    Obama is half white and half black ....AND YOU CALLED HIM A RACIST....against whom?lololololololololol

     

    You sound like Homer Simpson...lololololololol....LOLOLOLOL

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    Obama is half white and half black ....AND YOU CALLED HIM A RACIST....against whom?lololololololololol

     

    You sound like Homer Simpson...lololololololol....LOLOLOLOL

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