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    Did National Security Adviser Michael Flynn violate the Logan Act?

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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2017 - 7:54 PM ET #1

    By Bryan Renbaum   
    Published February 13, 2017

    https://www.talkmedianews.com/uncategorized/us-news/2017/02/13/flynn-violate-logan-act/

    WASHINGTON– If reports are true, National Security Adviser retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn could be the first public official ever fired for violating the Logan Act, according to some legal analysts.

    “Flynn violated the Logan Act if he did discuss with the Russian Ambassador prior to the new administration taking office lifting of U.S. sanctions,” said Nick Akerman, a former assistant U.S. Attorney who was also a member of the Watergate special prosecution team.

    “The statute is crystal clear that: “Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer of agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to dispute or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measure of the United States [commits a felony}.”

    The Washington Post and The New York Times reported last week that Flynn spoke with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in late December, citing unnamed U.S. officials. The newspapers reported that Flynn gave the impression that the Trump team might be amenable to lifting economic sanctions that were imposed on Russia by the U.S. and the E.U. following Moscow’s 2014 annexation of the Crimea from neighboring Ukraine.

    Then-President Barack Obama in his final weeks in office issued additional sanctions against Moscow after evidence showed that Russian president Vladimir Putin interfered in the U.S. presidential election to undermine the candidacy of Hillary Clinton.

    The Logan Act prohibits unauthorized individuals from negotiating with foreign governments and was adopted by Congress in 1799 following former Pennsylvania legislator Robert Logan’s unauthorized discussions with the French government.

    On Jan. 13, then-Trump transition team spokesperson Sean Spicer told reporters that the late December Flynn-Kislyak phone conversation was merely an informal courtesy call.

    Flynn’s spokesperson told The Washington Post on Thursday that the retired lieutenant general does not recall discussing the possibility of lifting sanctions during the call but also said the prospect such conversation had occurred could not be ruled out.

    A Russian government spokesperson told CNN on Friday that Flynn and Kislyak did not discuss sanctions during the call.


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    By Bryan Renbaum   
    Published February 13, 2017

    https://www.talkmedianews.com/uncategorized/us-news/2017/02/13/flynn-violate-logan-act/

    WASHINGTON– If reports are true, National Security Adviser retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn could be the first public official ever fired for violating the Logan Act, according to some legal analysts.

    “Flynn violated the Logan Act if he did discuss with the Russian Ambassador prior to the new administration taking office lifting of U.S. sanctions,” said Nick Akerman, a former assistant U.S. Attorney who was also a member of the Watergate special prosecution team.

    “The statute is crystal clear that: “Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer of agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to dispute or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measure of the United States [commits a felony}.”

    The Washington Post and The New York Times reported last week that Flynn spoke with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in late December, citing unnamed U.S. officials. The newspapers reported that Flynn gave the impression that the Trump team might be amenable to lifting economic sanctions that were imposed on Russia by the U.S. and the E.U. following Moscow’s 2014 annexation of the Crimea from neighboring Ukraine.

    Then-President Barack Obama in his final weeks in office issued additional sanctions against Moscow after evidence showed that Russian president Vladimir Putin interfered in the U.S. presidential election to undermine the candidacy of Hillary Clinton.

    The Logan Act prohibits unauthorized individuals from negotiating with foreign governments and was adopted by Congress in 1799 following former Pennsylvania legislator Robert Logan’s unauthorized discussions with the French government.

    On Jan. 13, then-Trump transition team spokesperson Sean Spicer told reporters that the late December Flynn-Kislyak phone conversation was merely an informal courtesy call.

    Flynn’s spokesperson told The Washington Post on Thursday that the retired lieutenant general does not recall discussing the possibility of lifting sanctions during the call but also said the prospect such conversation had occurred could not be ruled out.

    A Russian government spokesperson told CNN on Friday that Flynn and Kislyak did not discuss sanctions during the call.


     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2017 - 7:56 PM ET #2

    Scott A. MacGriff, who like Akerman, also is a former Justice Department attorney, said Flynn may have violated the Logan Act, but MacGriff was careful to emphasize that no has ever been prosecuted for violating the statute.

    “If the reports are accurate, there may have been a technical violation of the statute- however, keep in mind that in the more than 200 years since its enactment, there has never been a prosecution for violation of the Logan Act,” MacGriff said.

    MacGriff said that even if Flynn did violate the Logan Act that that in-and-of itself should not automatically warrant his resignation.


    “If he violated the statute he should not resign for violating the Act,” MacGriff said. “There is a policy argument to be made that favors an incoming National Security Advisor speaking with the Ambassador of a major foreign power – particularly after an election has occurred and just prior to the inauguration.”

    Sean M. Bigley, an attorney specializing in national security cases, said Flynn did not violate the Logan Act.

    “I don’t think Flynn violated the statute as we in the national security community interpret it, nor do I think he should resign for basically doing his job,” Bigley said.

    “The members of Congress who are championing such an outcome are grandstanding. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who will buy into this nonsense simply because they heard someone in Congress state it as fact,” he added.

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) demanded Monday that Trump fire Flynn.

    “Michael Flynn’s conduct was alarming enough before his secret communications with the Russians were exposed… National security demands that General Flynn be fired immediately,” Pelosi said in a statement.

    Bigley noted that the absence of legal precedent would most likely prevent Flynn from being charged even if prosecutors believed he did violate the Logan Act.

    “Courts look to precedent in interpreting laws,” Bigley said. “Since we have no actual legal precedent of prior prosecutions here, the matter would turn on how similar situations have been handled by incoming administrations in the past.”
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    Scott A. MacGriff, who like Akerman, also is a former Justice Department attorney, said Flynn may have violated the Logan Act, but MacGriff was careful to emphasize that no has ever been prosecuted for violating the statute.

    “If the reports are accurate, there may have been a technical violation of the statute- however, keep in mind that in the more than 200 years since its enactment, there has never been a prosecution for violation of the Logan Act,” MacGriff said.

    MacGriff said that even if Flynn did violate the Logan Act that that in-and-of itself should not automatically warrant his resignation.


    “If he violated the statute he should not resign for violating the Act,” MacGriff said. “There is a policy argument to be made that favors an incoming National Security Advisor speaking with the Ambassador of a major foreign power – particularly after an election has occurred and just prior to the inauguration.”

    Sean M. Bigley, an attorney specializing in national security cases, said Flynn did not violate the Logan Act.

    “I don’t think Flynn violated the statute as we in the national security community interpret it, nor do I think he should resign for basically doing his job,” Bigley said.

    “The members of Congress who are championing such an outcome are grandstanding. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who will buy into this nonsense simply because they heard someone in Congress state it as fact,” he added.

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) demanded Monday that Trump fire Flynn.

    “Michael Flynn’s conduct was alarming enough before his secret communications with the Russians were exposed… National security demands that General Flynn be fired immediately,” Pelosi said in a statement.

    Bigley noted that the absence of legal precedent would most likely prevent Flynn from being charged even if prosecutors believed he did violate the Logan Act.

    “Courts look to precedent in interpreting laws,” Bigley said. “Since we have no actual legal precedent of prior prosecutions here, the matter would turn on how similar situations have been handled by incoming administrations in the past.”
     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2017 - 9:38 PM ET #3

    Alan Dershowitz liberal Professor of Law, Emeritus,Harvard Law School said the other day on Fox News, that the Logan Act has never been enforced and is probably unenforceable.
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    Alan Dershowitz liberal Professor of Law, Emeritus,Harvard Law School said the other day on Fox News, that the Logan Act has never been enforced and is probably unenforceable.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Alan Dershowitz liberal Professor of Law, Emeritus,Harvard Law School said the other day on Fox News, that the Logan Act has never been enforced and is probably unenforceable.

    First time for everything slim, you had sex once didn't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Alan Dershowitz liberal Professor of Law, Emeritus,Harvard Law School said the other day on Fox News, that the Logan Act has never been enforced and is probably unenforceable.

    First time for everything slim, you had sex once didn't you?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Alan Dershowitz liberal Professor of Law, Emeritus,Harvard Law School said the other day on Fox News, that the Logan Act has never been enforced and is probably unenforceable.

    He quit so it still hasn't been enforced....  
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Alan Dershowitz liberal Professor of Law, Emeritus,Harvard Law School said the other day on Fox News, that the Logan Act has never been enforced and is probably unenforceable.

    He quit so it still hasn't been enforced....  
     
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    the whole thing stinks to high heaven

    1)  in the winter of 2014 after three decades in the military, Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn was fired as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).

    One former official told The Washington Post that Flynn attempted to push DIA analyses and operators into the field and other high-intensity operations. This ran counter to how the DIA saw itself, leading many to believe that Flynn's vision for the agency was disruptive.



    2) in 2015 Flynn delivered a paid speech in Moscow and also dined with Putin.
    On the trip, Flynn attended a 10th anniversary gala celebration for RT, the pro-Russia news outlet owned by the Russian government. At the gala, Flynn appeared on a panel and then sat next to Putin during dinner. Flynn retired from the military prior to the trip, but the Democratic letter, which was signed by top Democrats on the House Oversight, Armed Services, Judiciary, Homeland Security, Intelligence, and Foreign Affairs committees , notes that he may still have been covered by the Emoluments Clause.


    3) According to Business Insider, Tillerson initially met Putin in 1999 on the Sakhalin island in Russia's Far East, when Exxon struck a deal with Russian state-owned oil giant Rosneft.  

    In 2011, Exxon signed another deal with Rosneft for a lucrative $3.2 billion oil deal that would give Exxon permission to develop offshore oil fields in the Russian Arctic in exchange for Rosneft getting stakes in a number of Exxon's US-based projects.

    Rosneft and Exxon were enthusiastic about the deal and expanded it in 2013. But it was canceled one year later, when the US imposed sanctions on Russia over its annexation of Crimea and invasion of Eastern Ukraine. Tillerson sharply condemned the sanctions, saying they caused "broad collateral damage."

    In 2012, Putin presented Tillerson with a Russian medal at an award ceremony of heads and employees of energy companies at the St. Petersburg economic forum in St. Petersburg, Russia.

    Critics have expressed concern over Tillerson's nomination because of potential conflicts of interest. One of the first issues on Tillerson's agenda, for example, may be weighing whether to lift sanctions on Russia. Tillerson currently holds $151 million in Exxon stock, and the value of that stock would increase if sanctions were lifted.

    Putin even personally awarded Tillerson with Russia's Order of Friendship medal in 2013, the highest honor bestowed on foreign citizens. It is given to foreigners whom the Russian government believes have helped Russia and its people.

    4) Trump nominated Flynn and Tillerson to key posts of his administration
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    the whole thing stinks to high heaven

    1)  in the winter of 2014 after three decades in the military, Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn was fired as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).

    One former official told The Washington Post that Flynn attempted to push DIA analyses and operators into the field and other high-intensity operations. This ran counter to how the DIA saw itself, leading many to believe that Flynn's vision for the agency was disruptive.



    2) in 2015 Flynn delivered a paid speech in Moscow and also dined with Putin.
    On the trip, Flynn attended a 10th anniversary gala celebration for RT, the pro-Russia news outlet owned by the Russian government. At the gala, Flynn appeared on a panel and then sat next to Putin during dinner. Flynn retired from the military prior to the trip, but the Democratic letter, which was signed by top Democrats on the House Oversight, Armed Services, Judiciary, Homeland Security, Intelligence, and Foreign Affairs committees , notes that he may still have been covered by the Emoluments Clause.


    3) According to Business Insider, Tillerson initially met Putin in 1999 on the Sakhalin island in Russia's Far East, when Exxon struck a deal with Russian state-owned oil giant Rosneft.  

    In 2011, Exxon signed another deal with Rosneft for a lucrative $3.2 billion oil deal that would give Exxon permission to develop offshore oil fields in the Russian Arctic in exchange for Rosneft getting stakes in a number of Exxon's US-based projects.

    Rosneft and Exxon were enthusiastic about the deal and expanded it in 2013. But it was canceled one year later, when the US imposed sanctions on Russia over its annexation of Crimea and invasion of Eastern Ukraine. Tillerson sharply condemned the sanctions, saying they caused "broad collateral damage."

    In 2012, Putin presented Tillerson with a Russian medal at an award ceremony of heads and employees of energy companies at the St. Petersburg economic forum in St. Petersburg, Russia.

    Critics have expressed concern over Tillerson's nomination because of potential conflicts of interest. One of the first issues on Tillerson's agenda, for example, may be weighing whether to lift sanctions on Russia. Tillerson currently holds $151 million in Exxon stock, and the value of that stock would increase if sanctions were lifted.

    Putin even personally awarded Tillerson with Russia's Order of Friendship medal in 2013, the highest honor bestowed on foreign citizens. It is given to foreigners whom the Russian government believes have helped Russia and its people.

    4) Trump nominated Flynn and Tillerson to key posts of his administration
     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2017 - 1:12 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:


    He quit so it still hasn't been enforced....  

    There had been no finding inside the government that Flynn did anything illegal...but it was the "I heart Russia"  t- shirt that was his undoing..
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:


    He quit so it still hasn't been enforced....  

    There had been no finding inside the government that Flynn did anything illegal...but it was the "I heart Russia"  t- shirt that was his undoing..
     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2017 - 1:17 AM ET #8

    I always had one eye on General Flynn, from the start,,, since he was a registered Democrat..
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    I always had one eye on General Flynn, from the start,,, since he was a registered Democrat..
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    Flynn was the target of neo-cons and Reince Priebus. He was anti-radical Islam. Democrats will never target Priebus, or any republicans funded by Soros.They are targetting 4-5 Trump loyalists who represent "the people" who helped get Trump elected, the "hard working Americans." 
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    Bannon is a "major target" for the left. He keeps Trump focused on issues with a 'Breitbart mentality.' During the election, Bannon used this mindset to keep effective negative pressure on Clinton (Hillary's health, ties to the Middle East and other Wikileaks items). 

    Trump has been friends w/ Natl Enquirer CEn Packer for years. The last weeks of the campign were flooded with Enquirerer sensationalist headlines about Hillary's health, her desire for WW3 and absolute corruption.

    Flynn was a Trump loyalist from the beginning and is very tough on radical Islam and border security.

    Interesting to see the replacement. 






    Flynn resigns as Trump’s national security adviser; Petraeus among possible replacements

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/13/michael-flynn-resigns-trumps-national-security-adv/?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTkRka1l6ZGtPREZoTVdNNCIsInQiOiIxRHJvZ2lxT1wvbThsRFFkczMrZ24rWFdiZjVBbWhlRUZkdmphR0tzRFhOS21seWVmMjZLN1RPS0tVZVJlTGpVRlY2RnNTREdFbVM5VnB5cDN6a0IzS0crZlJ1YXlla1R2cmQwZ1RtU05Ga3JJNGt5a1NYQjJmeTZYaUE1cjlwckMifQ%3D%3D

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    Flynn was the target of neo-cons and Reince Priebus. He was anti-radical Islam. Democrats will never target Priebus, or any republicans funded by Soros.They are targetting 4-5 Trump loyalists who represent "the people" who helped get Trump elected, the "hard working Americans." 
    Conway
    Bannon
    Sessions
    Miller

    Bannon is a "major target" for the left. He keeps Trump focused on issues with a 'Breitbart mentality.' During the election, Bannon used this mindset to keep effective negative pressure on Clinton (Hillary's health, ties to the Middle East and other Wikileaks items). 

    Trump has been friends w/ Natl Enquirer CEn Packer for years. The last weeks of the campign were flooded with Enquirerer sensationalist headlines about Hillary's health, her desire for WW3 and absolute corruption.

    Flynn was a Trump loyalist from the beginning and is very tough on radical Islam and border security.

    Interesting to see the replacement. 






    Flynn resigns as Trump’s national security adviser; Petraeus among possible replacements

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/13/michael-flynn-resigns-trumps-national-security-adv/?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTkRka1l6ZGtPREZoTVdNNCIsInQiOiIxRHJvZ2lxT1wvbThsRFFkczMrZ24rWFdiZjVBbWhlRUZkdmphR0tzRFhOS21seWVmMjZLN1RPS0tVZVJlTGpVRlY2RnNTREdFbVM5VnB5cDN6a0IzS0crZlJ1YXlla1R2cmQwZ1RtU05Ga3JJNGt5a1NYQjJmeTZYaUE1cjlwckMifQ%3D%3D

     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2017 - 8:38 AM ET #10

    Flynn himself has used social media to promote a series of outrageous conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton, President Barack Obama and their inner circles in recent months.

    Flynn has used twitter to retweet accusations that Clinton is involved with child sex trafficking and has "secretly waged war” on the Catholic Church, as well as charges that Obama is a “jihadi” who “laundered” money for Muslim terrorists.

    Neither Trump nor Flynn never disavowed those falsehoods

    According to Politico

    In one tweet Nov. 2, Flynn promoted a "MUST READ!" post from a website called True Pundit alleging that emails found on a laptop owned by former Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) — the husband of top Clinton aide Huma Abedin — contained enough evidence "to put Hillary [Clinton] and her crew away for life” for crimes including "child exploitation" and "sex crimes with minors."

    "U decide," Flynn wrote. But no such emails have ever surfaced.

    U decide - NYPD Blows Whistle on New Hillary Emails: Money Laundering, Sex Crimes w Children, etc...MUST READ! https://t.co/O0bVJT3QDr
    — General Flynn (@GenFlynn) November 3, 2016

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    Flynn himself has used social media to promote a series of outrageous conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton, President Barack Obama and their inner circles in recent months.

    Flynn has used twitter to retweet accusations that Clinton is involved with child sex trafficking and has "secretly waged war” on the Catholic Church, as well as charges that Obama is a “jihadi” who “laundered” money for Muslim terrorists.

    Neither Trump nor Flynn never disavowed those falsehoods

    According to Politico

    In one tweet Nov. 2, Flynn promoted a "MUST READ!" post from a website called True Pundit alleging that emails found on a laptop owned by former Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) — the husband of top Clinton aide Huma Abedin — contained enough evidence "to put Hillary [Clinton] and her crew away for life” for crimes including "child exploitation" and "sex crimes with minors."

    "U decide," Flynn wrote. But no such emails have ever surfaced.

    U decide - NYPD Blows Whistle on New Hillary Emails: Money Laundering, Sex Crimes w Children, etc...MUST READ! https://t.co/O0bVJT3QDr
    — General Flynn (@GenFlynn) November 3, 2016

     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2017 - 8:41 AM ET #11

    Two days later, Flynn posed a tweet containing the hashtag "#spiritcooking," a reference to a bizarre rumor alleging that Clinton's campaign manager, John Podesta, took part in occult rituals in which people consume blood and other bodily fluids. That rumor, based on a wild reading of some Podesta emails that had been released by WikiLeaks, also took off on websites such as the Drudge Report and InfoWars, run by Trump-supporting conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.


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    Two days later, Flynn posed a tweet containing the hashtag "#spiritcooking," a reference to a bizarre rumor alleging that Clinton's campaign manager, John Podesta, took part in occult rituals in which people consume blood and other bodily fluids. That rumor, based on a wild reading of some Podesta emails that had been released by WikiLeaks, also took off on websites such as the Drudge Report and InfoWars, run by Trump-supporting conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.


     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2017 - 8:42 AM ET #12

    Zealous what did you do to the thread ? 

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    Zealous what did you do to the thread ? 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2017 - 8:44 AM ET #13

    According to Fakenews Junior

    Michael Flynn Jr @mflynnJR
    Until #Pizzagate proven to be false, it'll remain a story. The left seems to forget #PodestaEmails and the many "coincidences" tied to it. https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/805559273426141184 …
    10:13 PM - 4 Dec 2016
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    According to Fakenews Junior

    Michael Flynn Jr @mflynnJR
    Until #Pizzagate proven to be false, it'll remain a story. The left seems to forget #PodestaEmails and the many "coincidences" tied to it. https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/805559273426141184 …
    10:13 PM - 4 Dec 2016
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2017 - 9:12 AM ET #14

    Sabanesque meltdown
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2017 - 9:25 AM ET #15

    @Sabanesque care to cite your sources (Re: Podesta's child trafficking ring )

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    @Sabanesque care to cite your sources (Re: Podesta's child trafficking ring )

     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2017 - 9:26 PM ET #16

    In short time, Trump already has a scandal, resignations and mass protests.  So far, his personnel have been incompetent.
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    In short time, Trump already has a scandal, resignations and mass protests.  So far, his personnel have been incompetent.
     
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    not to worry , congress intelligence comittees in the house and senate with both sides of their comitee the chair and his side and the ranking minority leader in their side will be discussing flynn with flynn in a closed door meeting

    you will be allowed what they determine should be released public.
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    not to worry , congress intelligence comittees in the house and senate with both sides of their comitee the chair and his side and the ranking minority leader in their side will be discussing flynn with flynn in a closed door meeting

    you will be allowed what they determine should be released public.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2017 - 3:18 PM ET #18

    and Comey and Jeff have begun 
    an independent investigation on Flynn's affairs. 
    as sc senator graham has recommended.
    source msnbc 3:14 just before the quarter commercial production
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    and Comey and Jeff have begun 
    an independent investigation on Flynn's affairs. 
    as sc senator graham has recommended.
    source msnbc 3:14 just before the quarter commercial production
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2017 - 4:00 PM ET #19

    glad you bring this up saban,

    you see over in california in my reliogous nut theory. i gave again
    a trail of bread crumbs.

    you see those enron executives have control
    of all the valves control rooms of the dam structures.
    and water surpluses in that econmy simply wont do.

    so as they speak they are opening every valve flood gate level do hicky in the entire field to drain this potential finacial hazzard.

    then after the snow all mounts their mountains are enjoying
    and all that too muchg water is gone. they can return to making money restricting shortage markets....
    in the mean time all those false voters will go swimming and that a win win for your team saban.
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    glad you bring this up saban,

    you see over in california in my reliogous nut theory. i gave again
    a trail of bread crumbs.

    you see those enron executives have control
    of all the valves control rooms of the dam structures.
    and water surpluses in that econmy simply wont do.

    so as they speak they are opening every valve flood gate level do hicky in the entire field to drain this potential finacial hazzard.

    then after the snow all mounts their mountains are enjoying
    and all that too muchg water is gone. they can return to making money restricting shortage markets....
    in the mean time all those false voters will go swimming and that a win win for your team saban.
     
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    One theory out there. Flynn was used to flush out the moles leftover from Obama and Clinton. Genius if true. Maybe the administration is much smarter than they appear. Will somebody please tell Chuck Schumer to shut up!
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    One theory out there. Flynn was used to flush out the moles leftover from Obama and Clinton. Genius if true. Maybe the administration is much smarter than they appear. Will somebody please tell Chuck Schumer to shut up!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2017 - 4:11 PM ET #21

    now see we can pin this on poor martha again.
     she did her time for the media distraction of what actually was up.

    and without Hillary the russians did it simply will not happen
    yes in that creative yarn they were can you imagine
    to some pathetic russian hacker elite squad.

    that penetrated our soft taget defenses and took control of the entire damn machine.

    but without old hillary this is going to have be put up on a shelf somewhere.
    so we begin to think who can we blame...oh i got it its Nancy's fault.


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    now see we can pin this on poor martha again.
     she did her time for the media distraction of what actually was up.

    and without Hillary the russians did it simply will not happen
    yes in that creative yarn they were can you imagine
    to some pathetic russian hacker elite squad.

    that penetrated our soft taget defenses and took control of the entire damn machine.

    but without old hillary this is going to have be put up on a shelf somewhere.
    so we begin to think who can we blame...oh i got it its Nancy's fault.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    One theory out there. Flynn was used to flush out the moles leftover from Obama and Clinton. Genius if true. Maybe the administration is much smarter than they appear. Will somebody please tell Chuck Schumer to shut up!


    well Chuck, is the only congressmen in that party affording any time to the press at these hard times.
     most congresspeople. are incapacitated like the Nancy pelosi action figure add water push a button and they cry.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    One theory out there. Flynn was used to flush out the moles leftover from Obama and Clinton. Genius if true. Maybe the administration is much smarter than they appear. Will somebody please tell Chuck Schumer to shut up!


    well Chuck, is the only congressmen in that party affording any time to the press at these hard times.
     most congresspeople. are incapacitated like the Nancy pelosi action figure add water push a button and they cry.....
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    One theory out there. Flynn was used to flush out the moles leftover from Obama and Clinton. Genius if true. Maybe the administration is much smarter than they appear. Will somebody please tell Chuck Schumer to shut up!

    cd numbers would be proud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    One theory out there. Flynn was used to flush out the moles leftover from Obama and Clinton. Genius if true. Maybe the administration is much smarter than they appear. Will somebody please tell Chuck Schumer to shut up!

    cd numbers would be proud.
     
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    Lol nature. Too bleeping funny! Anyway. Great board the last 2 days. My boss is gone the rest of the week.
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    Lol nature. Too bleeping funny! Anyway. Great board the last 2 days. My boss is gone the rest of the week.
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2017 - 4:42 PM ET #25

    here a lusterous tale that i dusted off.

    In a failure of over sight by government 

    of the regulating industry of power and water.

    the government led by Dem "whoseface" 

    the damn breached in many locations causing the vast flood of the city (fill in with specific)

    Government is determined to hold hearings on the  epic disastor.


    fill in "" () { [ facts}} of current situation...


    there sabans party has something to work on.

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    here a lusterous tale that i dusted off.

    In a failure of over sight by government 

    of the regulating industry of power and water.

    the government led by Dem "whoseface" 

    the damn breached in many locations causing the vast flood of the city (fill in with specific)

    Government is determined to hold hearings on the  epic disastor.


    fill in "" () { [ facts}} of current situation...


    there sabans party has something to work on.

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