DNC Convention

I like the way our country is going & we are headed in the right direction. We have road & bridges being fixed. Mom & Pop stores are reopening including my favorite pizza shop. Store shelves are plentiful, gas prices are down, people are attending concerts & will be doing the same with football games. My customers are paying their rent on time & we've hired 2 former vets for our growing company. Our investments are doing phenomenally well. It will become even more prosperous in South Florida when the snowbirds start arriving in a month or two.

No gloom and doom hear.

I will disagree with you on several of your points but at least a positive take. I can assure you even if that is your prospective that isn't the case for the entire country. Gas prices are exceptionally high compared to 4 years ago (even if only slightly down lately) and the same goes for grocery store prices. Ask Mr. Watz how he protected the mom and pop stores or did he let them burn. Refusing to bring in the National Guard (despite request from the Mayor who I don't care for either) because "the National Guard are full of 19 year old cooks" as if he wasn't a part of it for over two decades. I don't believe in doom and gloom (other than concerns over the idiots who actually vote and their fucked prospective as evidenced by Exhibit A earlier) so I applaud you for your positive take, even if I don't agree.

@jesron1269

 Gas prices are higher? When are you referencing exactly? If you take out the boom and bust extreme spikes in both directions (the fake dump due to the futures contract mess during Trump's term which reversed quickly) and the short spike in 2022 the chart for national average unleaded gas prices have been within the general range we have seen for the last 20 years or so. And why does your side keep yipping about gas when the production in NA is higher now than when the previous dood was in office and pricing is dictated from a cartel? Its such a boring stupid GOP play toy that has zero truth to it. You cannot yack about drilling when we are producing MORE than before and even if the US and Canada drill more we still export the product thus we are in a world market and that 100% negates the value of "drill baby drill". It is almost like one political group will grasp at any slogan to elevate themselves even when there is absolutely zero truth or fact to substantiate the claim.

Partisan yammering is so boring...

Mmmm....yammers

Anyone here know what a yammer is?

If you do, we can be internet website friends but only in this thread....

@wallstreetcappers

 partisan yammering

RFK Jr. says the Democratic Party "has become the party of the war, censorship, corruption, big pharma, big tech, big money."

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1827060220524187689

You are clearly educated on economic matters and matters of the American corporatocracy.  I think this forum would welcome your thoughts on RFKjr' speech today.  

If you didn't watch it I kindly provided a link above.  If you refuse to use the twitter platform based on some personal hatred of Mr. Musk, might I suggest an alternative media platform.... I will look forward to your non-bias, non-partisan breakdown of Bobby's monumental speech today.  

Thanks in advance sir 

@wallstreetcappers

     It won't stop of course, but thanks for pointing out the facts!

@kcblitzkrieg

 RFK is a wacko and he has nobody to blame for his image than himself. I think he has memory issues and waffles too often back and forth, and the way he tried to play both sides makes him no different than the other two. I could never back someone with his indecisiveness and zig zag past and some of the truly bizarre stuff he himself has claimed to have done and views he has. No thanks on him as a politician for me. He looks like he is on the juice if you want my honest opinon.

The POS promised RFK JR first rights to all roadkill across the country for his support.

Last night, a crazy buzz swept the crowd that Queen Bey was going to perform.

Or maybe it was just the DNC's attempt to get more viewers once word spread, right?

@wallstreetcappers

Yes Wall. Where I live gas was less than 2 dollars a gallon 4 years ago now it went as high as 5.50 but settled in around 3.60. So yeah gas prices are higher. 

@jesron1269

 Pull up a chart like I did and you will see what I explained in detail. If you remove the extreme outliers of that blip up and that blip down we had for a SHORT time, the running averages for the last two years are smack in line with averages from the last 15 to 20 years without extreme differences.

So you are trying to pull a theme that has zero merit and attribute it to a politician which has zero merit. We are in a global market, so Trump has as usual absolutely ZERO clue about reality, his rhetoric is a 100% lie, it is false in every sense but hey you are falling for it so the lie is working...

I will repeat what I said since you ignored it and decided to spew the mainstream news narrative story that has been propagated to fool the gen pop who can't do any research for themselves and make their own informed decision...

"I will look forward to your non-bias, non-partisan breakdown of Bobby's monumental speech today.  

Thanks in advance sir" 

-me

I am not asking about your personal, leftist propaganda driven fake news "opinion".  I respect your opinion, no matter how falsely and inorganically it was derived, and we have gone over this multiple times over the past 18 months.  I do not wish to rehash or "change" your opinion.  That is not why I asked about your opinion on the contents of the speech.  

Deflecting back to tearing the man down when I simply asked about your breakdown of the topics and issues of the speech is not what I expected from you....others yes, but I hold you to a higher standard than the low IQ posters that frequent these parts.  

I will do you one more....if you don't want to watch it, assuming you haven't already, I will be happy to post a transcript of said speech then we can discuss in a new thread.  I will do this for you sir 

The leader of the Democratic Party completely refused to meet with RFK Jr. The leader of the party is camala harris. I can not believe I just typed the previous sentence! Therefore RFK Jr met with the legitimate POTUS, came to an agreement and both seek to win on 5 November 2024. Make Our Children Healthy Again! MAGA! 

@Midnight1

 The POS promised RFK JR first rights to all roadkill across the country for his support.

@kcblitzkrieg

 See the answer I gave is not directed words you demanded so you conclude that it is leftist, media driven fake all the terms you used, why is that the case? Why do you assume I watched something or didnt watch it based on my observation about the guy and a summation based on more than just one speech?

I do not draw my conclusions based on a speech nor do I evaluate a speech solely on the content of JUST that speech. It is curious how you try and pick out just one thing and then force a narrative from me based on select specific information when to me a single speech does not negate the body of work that is this individual. You MIGHT be able to find some content even from a guy like Trump who is a terrible speaker and take a line or two or even a full speech (I doubt that exists but for the sake of argument) then try and paint him as something for sure he is not.

Maybe I watched it, maybe I didnt...my reply is no different in either scenario because he waffles he slides this way and that way, what he has said in speeches he has said the opposite in others, he takes enormous liberties to craft a narrative and those fake liberties have been proven as lies and false over and over. He is a stretcher of truth and a fabricator of narrative using lies and misinformation.

For example he crafted lots of anti-vax narrative and often used sources and information that has been proven as false, he has also been recorded saying opposite points to the point he was making at a time in the past. I did not get the vax but my reasons had little to do with the RFK extremely stretched narrative nor the conspiracy stuff he tosses out, my reasons where I felt the process for testing the vax was incomplete and insufficient, I watched the "trials" from the different companies in real time and there would be massive misses on end points and then poof in a short time those misses were reversed and boom there were approvals, I do not support the way all the companies brought their product to market and I did not trust the information we were being told...so I didnt get it and never did. If you listen to RFK his diatribe was filled with cherry picked stats and proven lies and he has a history of stretching the truth and exaggerating impacts to the point that I do not believe him. Then you have his off the wall personal comments, the guy comes off as unhinged and bizarre and yeah I do think he uses T supplements but that is not here or there about his political weaknesses.

A speech in itself is not going to create a persona for me when there is a mountain of data out there on this guy already and when you include his recent fishing expedition to GET what was HIS with both candidates I say no thanks on RFK and the speech did not change my views in any fashion nor do I take what he said at face value, I just do not believe or trust what he says at all.

@wallstreetcappers

 "tell me you don't want to listen / watch to the speech without telling me".  

Thanks for the reply but again, I was only asking about the contents of the speech and your reaction / breakdown of it.  You didn't watch it, fine.  Just be honest and say "I have no interest in listening to the guys raspy voice for 10-12 minutes".  Or "I don't give a rats ass what he said cause I 100% back what my DNC leaders tell me too without any further evaluation of the facts and reality at hand".  Either of those would be acceptable, although I would give you the benefit of the doubt that the former is more of your case than the later.  

You completely get and can discuss the nuances of the Middle East, the realities of the Russian/Ukrainian conflict, but choose to ignore / not discuss the realities of what goes on in your own Country.  I find it fascinating that the complexities of abroad come naturally to discussion and understanding to you but the opposite holds domestically with regards to the current political reality in America today.  I understand why though and will not engage you any further on discussion of any topics outside the currently prescribed DNC regime apparatus narratives on America's political climate.  

The "anti-vaxx" label is what the WEF communist led media owned regime has led with to cook up the "wacko" label.   Yes, all mainstream news will have you believe this.  But this is a perfect example of what I am always talking about.... DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.  Use your own brains...make your own INFORMED decision.  

RFK jr was never a "crazy anti vaxx wacko" as you guys like to say.  He is a vaccine safety guy.  Yes, vaccines are helpful to society and have done great things over the history of time....but there are also plenty of examples where the safety of said vaccines was not properly vetted / followed in same history.  

You don't need to hear it from me when you can listen yourself, do you own research and make your own informed decision on the topic at hand.  

"Today I’m going to set the record straight by explaining my exact posture, point-by-point, on what is probably the most controversial issue of my campaign—a medical safety issue that impacts every one of us. If you take a few minutes to listen, I think you might be surprised to find out how much we actually agree."  -Bobby.  

https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1826704142230061540

I would challenge anyone to listen do this, it is only about vaccine safety, and come back to us all here and refute / dispute what he is saying here.  If you come back and still say he is a "anti-vaxxer" I'd like to hear why this is.....thanks in advance to the usernames 

kc, GOOGLE RFK JR & roadkill to better understand my comment.

In Florida you know as well as I, it doesn't matter how citizens vote on the weed issue because our legislature will change our wishes just like they did when we voted to reinstate voting rights for felons.

Having said that, I'm voting YES & will continue to grow small plants for my personal use as I have done for many years.

This thread is so partisan . Yawn .

@kcblitzkrieg

 Ive heard his approach regarding the middle east, and I have heard him say near the opposite as well at times in his career. That was my point about him flip flopping and not having consistent never changing positions. I have my views on the issues there and I can tell we share some similar conclusions. Ive not changed my view on the area at any time and especially since being a college educated adult. Maybe as a youth I did not have the understanding about truth there but I do now and one thing about me is when I get a belief it takes a TON to alter my belief because I spend a great deal of time in comprehensive historical research. The reality for me is that I do not need confirmation from a speech given by a politician and someone I do not have full confidence in their agenda and purpose. I do not believe RFK nor trust what he says and his intentions for saying things and that goes for most politicians as well. It is actually humorous when you label me as following some DNC directives or LEFT or liberal or whatever other nonsense word you want to use to describe me. I am the opposite of those classifications and yet you fall back to label me like that as if my positions are consistent to some agenda I read about online and thus I follow that path...but hey you really dont know me so you can lump me in some group because of your narrative and that is your right even if it is very far from truth and reality.

I dont trust when RFK says I am clearing the air I am making a stance I am setting the record straight dot dot dot because he has said and suggested otherwise and that makes him a flip flopper and inconsistent. He must not really deep check his sources either because he has been caught using data and points that are garbage and fake and exaggerated. I think he needs to stop doing podcasts and reading other people words and verify what he uses before he uses it. The great thing about this whole thing is the guy never stood a chance and that is NOT because this country is not open to new and different people it is due to his reckless and inconsistent views and some really wonky stuff he says about himself. If you see him tell him to quit with the personal podcast ramblings, it makes him look like a crazy dood.

My wife and I have a very clear set budget. We literally have a decade plus of data to show in the past 4 years we paid 50% more in gas and groceries than we paid when Trump was in office. Literally in quickbooks. We actually put it on charts and can see spikes a lot more and average much much higher under the Biden administration. Honestly don't you live in Canada? Why are you even involving yourself in this conversation when whatever happens here has no effect on you. It does effect us. So unless you are calling me a liar you are dead wrong in terms of what gas prices, grocery prices, among several other every day commodities have spiked the last four years. It is possible that what you are look at is a national average or a region of the country that I don't live in. It is possible that I don't know gasp you are actually wrong about this. I know I know hard to believe.

@Midnight1

 Having said that, I'm voting YES & will continue to grow small plants for my personal use as I have done for many years.

Well hate to break it to you Darkness, but that is felony in the State of Florida and I know how strongly you feel about felons around these parts.... 

@wallstreetcappers

  I do not believe RFK nor trust what he says and his intentions for saying things and that goes for most politicians as well. It is actually humorous when you label me as following some DNC directives or LEFT or liberal or whatever other nonsense word you want to use to describe me. I am the opposite of those classifications and yet you fall back to label me like that as if my positions are consistent to some agenda I read about online and thus I follow that path...but hey you really dont know me so you can lump me in some group because of your narrative and that is your right even if it is very far from truth and reality.

OK man.  Whatever you say.  I will not address it again.  

@wallstreetcappers

 I did not get the vax but my reasons had little to do with the RFK extremely stretched narrative nor the conspiracy stuff he tosses out, my reasons where I felt the process for testing the vax was incomplete and insufficient, I watched the "trials" from the different companies in real time and there would be massive misses on end points and then poof in a short time those misses were reversed and boom there were approvals, I do not support the way all the companies brought their product to market and I did not trust the information we were being told...so I didnt get it and never did.

Bro....brah....You did it, you finally did it 

You have proved my point here that I bang my head against day in and day out within the cesspool with regards to the mainstream media cabal narratives.  Every single thing you just typed out above is the point of his "conspiratorial anti-vaxx" stance you and so many others speak of.  You described it to the T.  Well done sir, love to finally see some live action proof of this being debunked 

This is refreshing to see I must say....even through that was not your point.  You made my day, I may rest in some peace now knowing this day, August 26th, 2024, history was made in the cesspool.  

@jesron1269

 Hurray for Quickbooks! What I use is the US national average gas prices data collected by the petro industry not MA and PA quickbooks info, so as I mentioned you can find national average gas and oil prices going back several decades and anyone has access to it.

So go and look at the DATA for when Trump was in office and validate my exact points please and try to extrapolate the FACT we are an exporting country for crude products and that means we are chained to a monopoly and they control pricing not the US. That means Trump or Obama or Biden has pretty much ZERO control over gas prices, plus do you just ignore hard facts and data that completely demolishes the pied piper tune of "drill baby drill"? We have MORE production now than ever before, you are being played for a sucker believing pretty much anything Trump says and especially the drill stuff and the LIE that Trump can control gas prices.

Do yourself a favor, just for fun...pull up the quick books and find the gas price days/weeks you mentioned, then go and look at what crude was selling for in the say month before to two months before your Trump windfall then figure out again you are being played for as a sucker here.

To get unleaded under 2 bucks you can find out what crude needs to be at for such to happen, go pull up a national gas average chart and overlay crude prices and you will find that answer. There is a lag between crude prices and gas production at times so that is why I suggested a month or two before so you could see what crude was and then it was manufactured into gas and other items as refiners do their jobs with a little lag.

To get gas under 2 bucks I seem to recall crude has to be under 40 bucks a barrel, because a B of crude equals X gas refined then you add profit and shipping and federal and state taxes..that is your end product price.

The crude flash crash we actually discussed here in this forum, I was saying that you cannot capitalize on the event because the futures contract was expiring that friday and someone was stuck trying to bail on contracts they held or there was a forced liquidation and on that expiry day crude futures went under ZERO, but it was only for that contract on that day for delivery, you would have been forced to take delivery of the crude so a few hedgies did it but mostly it only benefitted some refiners and the new contract which started trading the next day was like 28 or something, but for sure not zero or negative as we saw.

Wake up...Trump is playing you like he plays so many others, OPEC controls pricing and unless the US and Canada were to isolate and not export THEN and only THEN would that mush mantra drill baby drill have merit..anything else and OPEC runs the show big guy.

So if I am in Canada then shut my mouth huh...super classy but I aint in Canada fella...