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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The Free Exercise Clause protects citizens' right to practice their religion as they please, so long as the practice does not run afoul of a "public morals" or a "compelling" governmental interest.

Islam threatens public morals by endorsing, publishing, circulating and distributing materials teaching and advocating terrorism, murder, torture, dismemberment, rape, slavery, and pedophilia and child molestation. This alone would be grounds to ban Islam.

“Compelling" governmental interest - would be Islam is a threat to the United States. Islam is an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by “Force, Violence, and other unconstitutional means.” This would be another compelling argument.

I’d love to see the US Supreme Court rule on this.

 
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You'd love to see the SCOTUS rule on this so long as they ruled in your favor. They probably won't, so you probably wouldn't want to see them rule on this. 

Personally, I'd like to see ALL religion go away. It's unnecessary and subject to a wide interpretation by different people. I feel bad for anyone that needs 2000 year old fictional stories to teach them how to be good people within a society. 
 
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You'd love to see the SCOTUS rule on this so long as they ruled in your favor. They probably won't, so you probably wouldn't want to see them rule on this. 

Personally, I'd like to see ALL religion go away. It's unnecessary and subject to a wide interpretation by different people. I feel bad for anyone that needs 2000 year old fictional stories to teach them how to be good people within a society. 


How about ones that teach you how to be a bad person in society ..as to acquire six dozen untouched maidens ?
 
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The Free Exercise Clause protects citizens' right to practice their religion as they please, so long as the practice does not run afoul of a "public morals" or a "compelling" governmental interest.

Islam threatens public morals by endorsing, publishing, circulating and distributing materials teaching and advocating terrorism, murder, torture, dismemberment, rape, slavery, and pedophilia and child molestation. This alone would be grounds to ban Islam.

“Compelling" governmental interest - would be Islam is a threat to the United States. Islam is an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by “Force, Violence, and other unconstitutional means.” This would be another compelling argument.

I’d love to see the US Supreme Court rule on this.


The courts have and that is why the racists, fascist, right wing extremists, 911 truthers, and others with views similar to yours still have freedom and speech and assembly. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:

You'd love to see the SCOTUS rule on this so long as they ruled in your favor. They probably won't, so you probably wouldn't want to see them rule on this. 

Personally, I'd like to see ALL religion go away. It's unnecessary and subject to a wide interpretation by different people. I feel bad for anyone that needs 2000 year old fictional stories to teach them how to be good people within a society. 


I disagree that I would like to see all religion go away. I think America is founded on people being able to practice whatever religion they wanted. Many people came to America as a means of being able to Practice their own religion.  I think there are a segment of people that need 2000 year old fictional stories to teach them how to be a good person but there are also those that hide behind it and use religion as a means of portraying and image that they must be good while they attack other people and religions and are not good people within society 

Where I think the line should be drawn is a separation of church and state. This is a tough concept for so many that have been conditioned to follow a theocratic point of view.  But the reality of our founding fathers was to create a country that did not have a monarchy based on a national religion that held absolute power.  This is why you have things like checks and balances and first amendment rights. 

Choosing which religions we personally disagree with and then persecuting them and trying to rid them from the country could be a personal obsession but should not be the role of the government.  Like  you people against paganism and satanism and wicka and demand that Harry Potter and all things portraying that type of magic should be banned from the country for ruining the minds of children and leading all people away from the true religion which is Christianity.

So right now some people are choosing Islam as one of their religions to target.  Others might choose Islam and a few others.  People basically could start saying al religions but their own should be banned.  This seems so opposite of what our founding fathers laid out for us 
 
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https://www.centredaily.com/news/local/article97502082.html

She is a good example of some of the issue of separation of church and state.   As a private citizen she should have what ever beliefs she wants.  But in the position of a government official being paid by tax payers dollars she should not be voicing her opinions as if they of the official position of the office she works in.  This is s clear separation of church and state that needs to exist that is not a court decision but as a basic practice of working in government and being paid for by public money.  

Perhaps she should work in the private sector 
 
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https://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/hawaii-gop-disavows-their-bigoted-candidate-for-launching-a-holy-war-against-hindu-rep-tulsi-gabbard/

Here is another interesting one.  This article is just the tip of the iceberg concerning what I have heard from this GOP candidate running for the house. 


 
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How about ones that teach you how to be a bad person in society ..as to acquire six dozen untouched maidens ?

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I disagree that I would like to see all religion go away. I think America is founded on people being able to practice whatever religion they wanted. Many people came to America as a means of being able to Practice their own religion.  I think there are a segment of people that need 2000 year old fictional stories to teach them how to be a good person but there are also those that hide behind it and use religion as a means of portraying and image that they must be good while they attack other people and religions and are not good people within society 

Where I think the line should be drawn is a separation of church and state. This is a tough concept for so many that have been conditioned to follow a theocratic point of view.  But the reality of our founding fathers was to create a country that did not have a monarchy based on a national religion that held absolute power.  This is why you have things like checks and balances and first amendment rights. 

Choosing which religions we personally disagree with and then persecuting them and trying to rid them from the country could be a personal obsession but should not be the role of the government.  Like  you people against paganism and satanism and wicka and demand that Harry Potter and all things portraying that type of magic should be banned from the country for ruining the minds of children and leading all people away from the true religion which is Christianity.

So right now some people are choosing Islam as one of their religions to target.  Others might choose Islam and a few others.  People basically could start saying al religions but their own should be banned.  This seems so opposite of what our founding fathers laid out for us 

I don't see what the harm would be if we never had religion to begin with, or if it all went away tomorrow. You don't need religion to be a good person. It would also result in a lot less judging of people by folks who are religious. I think people would also value life more if they didn't believe there was a possibility of a next life. For example, good luck getting a suicide bomber to commit to his mission if he wasn't promised an absurd amount of virgins in a place that no one has ever proven to exist. 

I really don't care if people want to practice religion so long as it doesn't intrude or interfere with anyone else's lives or beliefs. But often times religion does that. Even if it's something as trivial as a Mormon knocking on my door during college football (can't they just watch the BYU game and be happy?) and trying to convert me. Or some d bag telling me I'm going to hell, as I walk down the street minding my own business, because I don't share the same belief structure as him. 

I readily admit that religion does do some good in the world. There are people who truly do good things in the name of religion. However, they could still do good deeds without having to use religion as the cause. However, there are a lot of negatives that come with religion. The world would be a better place without a lot of bad interpretations from fictional books by, usually, ignorant or self serving people. 

I'm wording that last paragraph terribly, my apologies for that. I see more harm in having religion around, than if the world did away with it completely. 
 
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I think from a historical perspective religious freedom has been a main foundation set forth by our founding fathers. 

From a personal standpoint I could believe in what you are saying if it were all religion and done in a fair and equal manner.  The problem
Is that you have people singling out one religion or cherry picking which religions they want to ban and often do so as they stand behind their own religion and say that they are defending their own religion or don't what their own religion is telling them to believe. 

Which is just stupid. But you have a lot of stupid people that can't see the hypocracy and logic of wanting to ban the practice of religion but do so because of their religious beliefs. 
So if it were done in a fair and equal manner I would support banning of all religion as I think it will do more good than bad in the bigger picture. 

But you have people that are hell bent against the American ideals of equality and church and state so this will never happen.  
 
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Islam and Sharia Law is in direct violation of the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence?

The Constitution is the Supreme law of the land... regardless of ethnic origin or religious affiliation or no affiliation.Sharia law is a total contradiction to the laws of the United States.

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Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/hawaii-gop-disavows-their-bigoted-candidate-for-launching-a-holy-war-against-hindu-rep-tulsi-gabbard/

Here is another interesting one.  This article is just the tip of the iceberg concerning what I have heard from this GOP candidate running for the house. 



Here is more from this GOP candidate running against Gabbard. 

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/hawaii-gop-chair-disavows-partys-house-candidate



 
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I don't see what the harm would be if we never had religion to begin with, or if it all went away tomorrow. You don't need religion to be a good person. It would also result in a lot less judging of people by folks who are religious. I think people would also value life more if they didn't believe there was a possibility of a next life. For example, good luck getting a suicide bomber to commit to his mission if he wasn't promised an absurd amount of virgins in a place that no one has ever proven to exist. 

I really don't care if people want to practice religion so long as it doesn't intrude or interfere with anyone else's lives or beliefs. But often times religion does that. Even if it's something as trivial as a Mormon knocking on my door during college football (can't they just watch the BYU game and be happy?) and trying to convert me. Or some d bag telling me I'm going to hell, as I walk down the street minding my own business, because I don't share the same belief structure as him. 

I readily admit that religion does do some good in the world. There are people who truly do good things in the name of religion. However, they could still do good deeds without having to use religion as the cause. However, there are a lot of negatives that come with religion. The world would be a better place without a lot of bad interpretations from fictional books by, usually, ignorant or self serving people. 

I'm wording that last paragraph terribly, my apologies for that. I see more harm in having religion around, than if the world did away with it completely. 

I basically agree with what you said.

The problems with all religions are not the beliefs, but the transgressive behavior.  For example, there is an IMMENSE difference between stating,  "It is against my religion" vs. "It is wrong."  The difference can be a matter of life and death.

Banning tall buildings in a country because "It is against our religion" is far different than highjacking airplanes and crashing them into skyscrapers because "Skyscrapers are an affront to Allah."

The vast majority of slaveholders were extremely conservative fundamentalists and evangelicals.  The vast majority of people fighting for or supporting the North were religious liberals.

It is not what you believe, it is how your beliefs impel you to behave.  There are millions of pro-choice Catholics who have used artificial birth control despite church dictates.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

I think from a historical perspective religious freedom has been a main foundation set forth by our founding fathers. 

From a personal standpoint I could believe in what you are saying if it were all religion and done in a fair and equal manner.  The problem
Is that you have people singling out one religion or cherry picking which religions they want to ban and often do so as they stand behind their own religion and say that they are defending their own religion or don't what their own religion is telling them to believe. 

Which is just stupid. But you have a lot of stupid people that can't see the hypocracy and logic of wanting to ban the practice of religion but do so because of their religious beliefs. 
So if it were done in a fair and equal manner I would support banning of all religion as I think it will do more good than bad in the bigger picture. 

But you have people that are hell bent against the American ideals of equality and church and state so this will never happen.  

I always enjoy the people that want to bring prayer back into public schools.....so long as it's their kind of prayer. Not the other kinds. 
 
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I basically agree with what you said.

The problems with all religions are not the beliefs, but the transgressive behavior.  For example, there is an IMMENSE difference between stating,  "It is against my religion" vs. "It is wrong."  The difference can be a matter of life and death.

Banning tall buildings in a country because "It is against our religion" is far different than highjacking airplanes and crashing them into skyscrapers because "Skyscrapers are an affront to Allah."

The vast majority of slaveholders were extremely conservative fundamentalists and evangelicals.  The vast majority of people fighting for or supporting the North were religious liberals.

It is not what you believe, it is how your beliefs impel you to behave.  There are millions of pro-choice Catholics who have used artificial birth control despite church dictates.

I think part of the problem is the intensity of which people interpret religious scripture. Some people interpret it in a much more literal manner, which generally doesn't coexist well in parts of today's society. 

Some religions are far worse when it comes to this (Islam) but even the Christian based religions have issues when they interpret text too literally (e.g. parents not seeking medical attention when their kids are sick and the kids die from some very preventable or curable illness). 
 
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I believe the government and religious practices should truely divide. First our government should no longer endorse marriage. Obviously a church institution
Governments should not be allowed to have any evolvement in this. What ever the minister of whatever church in where ever USA. Can not perform a legal and binding ceremony. Only a justice of the peace can make a civil Union. Tax payers should not be paying churches for health care. Should not be paying money for charity services. Should have no favored status for Catholic charities or others to provide services for wards of the state.

Government and religion are to be separated.
 
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Prince v Massachusetts 321 U.S 158 (1944)

The SCOTUS ruled against religious freedom to protect children.

"The right to practice religion does not include the right to expose the community or the child to communicable disease or the latter to illness or death."

Islam exposes children and communities to child molestation and death.

To ban all religion isn't necessary. There isn't Christians, Buddhists, or Jewz committing crimes in the name of their god at alarming rate. You can't use a couple of crimes to justify a complete ban when it's just one religion committing crimes in the millions for hundreds of years.

Using religion as a guise to commit crimes against children and women and to commit acts of mass murder isn't a right. The SCOTUS ruled on that.

The role of government is to protect its citizens. It's in the constitution. Where is the line. What liberals are saying is, it doesn't matter how many innocent citizens die, or how many children are sexually assaulted, religion trumps all, if that's the case, the Sinaloa drug cartel should declare itself a religion, or the Latin Kings, or bloods or crips should do so as well, that would give them immunity in liberal land.

What is more important. Should an immoral and savage cult using religion as a guise be immune from government protecting its citizens?
 
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I don't see what the harm would be if we never had religion to begin with, or if it all went away tomorrow. You don't need religion to be a good person. It would also result in a lot less judging of people by folks who are religious. I think people would also value life more if they didn't believe there was a possibility of a next life. For example, good luck getting a suicide bomber to commit to his mission if he wasn't promised an absurd amount of virgins in a place that no one has ever proven to exist. 

I really don't care if people want to practice religion so long as it doesn't intrude or interfere with anyone else's lives or beliefs. But often times religion does that. Even if it's something as trivial as a Mormon knocking on my door during college football (can't they just watch the BYU game and be happy?) and trying to convert me. Or some d bag telling me I'm going to hell, as I walk down the street minding my own business, because I don't share the same belief structure as him. 

I readily admit that religion does do some good in the world. There are people who truly do good things in the name of religion. However, they could still do good deeds without having to use religion as the cause. However, there are a lot of negatives that come with religion. The world would be a better place without a lot of bad interpretations from fictional books by, usually, ignorant or self serving people. 

I'm wording that last paragraph terribly, my apologies for that. I see more harm in having religion around, than if the world did away with it completely. 

Religion is a societal crutch.  It was brought on long ago by people who wanted to keep the peasants in their place.  If you do as this book says, your shitty existence will be rewarded at the end of your life.  It also gives people hope and makes it "easier" to make it through the day.  I agree religion does some good in the world, but many wars were waged in the name of religion.  Couple that with so many negatives with all the catholic child abuse n their churches for years and years with no repercussions for the offending priest?  Yeah I'm sure god wanted that to happen.  It's like believing in the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy....living in non reality with no hope of a real explanation or proof, just blind, stupid faith.  Religion for thousands of years has oppressed people and led to much bloodshed and terror, all in the name of some holy being who is ok with this happening?  lol 
 
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Religion is a societal crutch.  It was brought on long ago by people who wanted to keep the peasants in their place.  If you do as this book says, your shitty existence will be rewarded at the end of your life.  It also gives people hope and makes it "easier" to make it through the day.  I agree religion does some good in the world, but many wars were waged in the name of religion.  Couple that with so many negatives with all the catholic child abuse n their churches for years and years with no repercussions for the offending priest?  Yeah I'm sure god wanted that to happen.  It's like believing in the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy....living in non reality with no hope of a real explanation or proof, just blind, stupid faith.  Religion for thousands of years has oppressed people and led to much bloodshed and terror, all in the name of some holy being who is ok with this happening?  lol 
At least educated Science has explained most everything and can be PROVEN!!!  Believing in God has no explanation other some eternal hope that life after death exists and it is beautiful.  Hey, who knows, I don't have this answer....there could be a GOD.  It has not been dis-proven.....but there is not one IOTA of proof that this entity exists....none.  
 
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I always enjoy the people that want to bring prayer back into public schools.....so long as it's their kind of prayer. Not the other kinds. 

Amen....lol.  If all the religions in the world think their religion is right, and all others are wrong, doesn't that dis-credit all of them?
 
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Prince v Massachusetts 321 U.S 158 (1944)The SCOTUS ruled against religious freedom to protect children. "The right to practice religion does not include the right to expose the community or the child to communicable disease or the latter to illness or death." Islam exposes children and communities to child molestation and death. To ban all religion isn't necessary. There isn't Christians, Buddhists, or Jewz committing crimes in the name of their god at alarming rate. You can't use a couple of crimes to justify a complete ban when it's just one religion committing crimes in the millions for hundreds of years. Using religion as a guise to commit crimes against children and women and to commit acts of mass murder isn't a right. The SCOTUS ruled on that. The role of government is to protect its citizens. It's in the constitution. Where is the line. What liberals are saying is, it doesn't matter how many innocent citizens die, or how many children are sexually assaulcreature butigion trumps all, if that's the case, the Sinaloa drug cartel should declare itself a religion, or the Latin Kings, or bloods or crips should do so as well, that would give them immunity in liberal land. What is more important. Should an immoral and savage cult using religion as a guise be immune from government protecting its citizens?

Christians in the deep south white Baptist do kill mutilate on the name of god. The Catholic priests and cardinals in northeast under cardinals law rein molested 1000's of children. Reform church of Jesus Christ in Arizona was dealing with polygamous behaviour of thirteen year old children. Christian churches . Hebrews have had a serious issue witj mutilation of seven year old boys circumscision practices. Power to bring charismatic evil practices and hide behind religious texts is potential for all religious practices. Islamic practices are no different
Good people everywhere endure the mob morality invested in religious orders and institution.
Only group of Christians I care to attend church with is Swedenborg new church of Jerusalem. Simply States all good people regardless of religion will go to heaven.
I respect Buddhism for oath of do no harm to any living creature
 
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Prince v Massachusetts 321 U.S 158 (1944)The SCOTUS ruled against religious freedom to protect children. "The right to practice religion does not include the right to expose the community or the child to communicable disease or the latter to illness or death." Islam exposes children and communities to child molestation and death. To ban all religion isn't necessary. There isn't Christians, Buddhists, or Jewz committing crimes in the name of their god at alarming rate. You can't use a couple of crimes to justify a complete ban when it's just one religion committing crimes in the millions for hundreds of years. Using religion as a guise to commit crimes against children and women and to commit acts of mass murder isn't a right. The SCOTUS ruled on that. The role of government is to protect its citizens. It's in the constitution. Where is the line. What liberals are saying is, it doesn't matter how many innocent citizens die, or how many children are sexually assaulcreature butigion trumps all, if that's the case, the Sinaloa drug cartel should declare itself a religion, or the Latin Kings, or bloods or crips should do so as well, that would give them immunity in liberal land. What is more important. Should an immoral and savage cult using religion as a guise be immune from government protecting its citizens?
Christians in the deep south white Baptist do kill mutilate on the name of god. The Catholic priests and cardinals in northeast under cardinals law rein molested 1000's of children. Reform church of Jesus Christ in Arizona was dealing with polygamous behaviour of thirteen year old children. Christian churches . Hebrews have had a serious issue witj mutilation of seven year old boys circumscision practices. Power to bring charismatic evil practices and hide behind religious texts is potential for all religious practices. Islamic practices are no differentGood people everywhere endure the mob morality invested in religious orders and institution. Only group of Christians I care to attend church with is Swedenborg new church of Jerusalem. Simply States all good people regardless of religion will go to heaven. I respect Buddhism for oath of do no harm to any living creature
Circumcision is done because Jesus was circumcised and for health reasons. I'm glad I was lol. You can't compare Christianity to Islam. Jesus never instructed people to kill all those who don't believe in him. Jesus never said convert or die. Jesus never beheaded anyone or killed anyone or molested or rapped or tortured anyone or ordered anything savage like Muhammad. Jesus never raped a child.

The catholic priests were not following an example set forth by Jesus or prescribed by the bible to commit those acts of child molestation. Those so called Christians were acting on their own volition. There was no example set by Jesus for them to act. No prescribed order in the bible written to give them authorization to act. The bible is not a prescriptive tool for murder, terrorism, pedophilia, or child molestation. The Koran IS a prescriptive tool for those acts. Jesus was not a child rapist, pedophile, sex slave owner, terrorist, thief, or savage murderer, Muhammad WAS!

Christianity and Jesus doesn't cause or condone child molestation, rape, sex slavery, pedophilia or terrorism. Islam does. Liberals need to stop the bullsh1t. If Christianity or Judaizm or Buddhism or any religion did, I'd be calling for it to be banned too, but there is only one that does, and it's Islam, period!
 
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What about where the bible advocates killing? 
 
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It States in levicutus if aan lays with a man they shall be stoned finally Colorado is allowing gay men to live biblically.
 
 
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As for child molestation incest old testament lot had sex with both of his daughters after wife was turned to salt.
Slavery that scourge has plagues man kind for centuries. It states in the Koran we worship our way allow them to worship their way. But evil men can do all kinds of wicked things in the name of religion. Find texts in a bible to back up whatever they wish. Good people have an after life evil have nothing.
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