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    Measles is back! Thank the anti-vaxxers

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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2024 - 3:48 PM ET #1

    Measles is making a comeback in the United States thanks to the proliferation of anti-science and pro-death anti-vaxxers. This time it’s happening in Florida, with Florida Man Surgeon General stupidly encouraging parents to continue sending unvaccinated kids who were exposed to measles to school.

    In 2022, half of the 85 toddlers infected in Ohio outbreak were hospitalized. Two doses of the MMR vaccine are 97% effective at preventing measles. One dose is 93% effective at preventing measles. 
    Zero doses mean that a person who is exposed to the virus has a 90% chance of contracting it.

    Long term side effects for measles include brain damage, seizures, hearing loss, dementia, blindness, and death.

    Of course, the anti-vaxxers don’t want you to know this because they willfully do not care about the safety of children. 

    Shame on Florida. Hopefully these anti-science dotards do the right thing and decide to protect the children.

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    Measles is making a comeback in the United States thanks to the proliferation of anti-science and pro-death anti-vaxxers. This time it’s happening in Florida, with Florida Man Surgeon General stupidly encouraging parents to continue sending unvaccinated kids who were exposed to measles to school.

    In 2022, half of the 85 toddlers infected in Ohio outbreak were hospitalized. Two doses of the MMR vaccine are 97% effective at preventing measles. One dose is 93% effective at preventing measles. 
    Zero doses mean that a person who is exposed to the virus has a 90% chance of contracting it.

    Long term side effects for measles include brain damage, seizures, hearing loss, dementia, blindness, and death.

    Of course, the anti-vaxxers don’t want you to know this because they willfully do not care about the safety of children. 

    Shame on Florida. Hopefully these anti-science dotards do the right thing and decide to protect the children.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2024 - 4:34 PM ET #2

    In case you haven't noticed, what a lot of people thought about Covid is coming true, it's to be treated as you would the common flu. No more staying at home for 5 days. And how about all those people who got an experimental vaccine because of something comparable to the common flu. All those people who refused it and lost careers/jobs because they didn't want to take it. Thanks sheep for that. Good job. Enjoy your myocarditis and whatever else comes from those vaccines you sheeple have taken in high numbers. 

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    In case you haven't noticed, what a lot of people thought about Covid is coming true, it's to be treated as you would the common flu. No more staying at home for 5 days. And how about all those people who got an experimental vaccine because of something comparable to the common flu. All those people who refused it and lost careers/jobs because they didn't want to take it. Thanks sheep for that. Good job. Enjoy your myocarditis and whatever else comes from those vaccines you sheeple have taken in high numbers. 

     
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    There is some concern the issues with the Wuhan shot not being as it was touted has some to do with this for sure.  But there is this also:

    In March, Al Jazeera reported that the Taliban would allow a polio vaccination program for children, but precise figures on the country’s overall vaccination rate remain unclear. The World Health Organization estimates that 76% of Afghanistan’s children have received a polio vaccine.

    But some countries have even lower vaccination rates. On Nov. 30, for instance, some 700 people, including many from Senegal and Nigeria, walked into the U.S. at the Texas border. Only 63% of Senegal’s children have been vaccinated for polio, and various fevers, hepatitis, and malaria are endemic there. Measles, which the U.S. declared eliminated here in 2000, are an issue, too. The WHO estimates 22 million children missed their first measles vaccine last year and more than half of them live in just 10 countries, all of which fall in the “historically atypical” immigration list.

    Measles cases have risen in the U.S., from 13 individual cases in 2020 to 121 in 2022, according to the CDC. Recent outbreaks in Ohio and Illinois have all occurred among unvaccinated children, according to state health officials. The age and nationality of victims is not made public, but the measles vaccination rate is below 70% in many countries that have sent immigrants to the U.S. recently.

    While few are publicly pushing the panic button, some public health officials worry that a creeping mistrust of vaccines in the wake of the pandemic may make more Americans vulnerable to dangerous and even deadly scourges. Syphilis, for example, has been on the rise for many years but rose sharply during the pandemic.

    COVID-19 has drawn the lion’s share of attention from the public health bureaucracy since 2020, leading to shortfalls in other areas, some experts said.

    “All of these diseases are more prevalent in part because of lockdown policies which diverted public health resources and attention worldwide away from its traditional priorities of controlling the spread of these deadly infectious conditions,” Dr. Bhattacharya said, referring to measles and other maladies.

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    There is some concern the issues with the Wuhan shot not being as it was touted has some to do with this for sure.  But there is this also:

    In March, Al Jazeera reported that the Taliban would allow a polio vaccination program for children, but precise figures on the country’s overall vaccination rate remain unclear. The World Health Organization estimates that 76% of Afghanistan’s children have received a polio vaccine.

    But some countries have even lower vaccination rates. On Nov. 30, for instance, some 700 people, including many from Senegal and Nigeria, walked into the U.S. at the Texas border. Only 63% of Senegal’s children have been vaccinated for polio, and various fevers, hepatitis, and malaria are endemic there. Measles, which the U.S. declared eliminated here in 2000, are an issue, too. The WHO estimates 22 million children missed their first measles vaccine last year and more than half of them live in just 10 countries, all of which fall in the “historically atypical” immigration list.

    Measles cases have risen in the U.S., from 13 individual cases in 2020 to 121 in 2022, according to the CDC. Recent outbreaks in Ohio and Illinois have all occurred among unvaccinated children, according to state health officials. The age and nationality of victims is not made public, but the measles vaccination rate is below 70% in many countries that have sent immigrants to the U.S. recently.

    While few are publicly pushing the panic button, some public health officials worry that a creeping mistrust of vaccines in the wake of the pandemic may make more Americans vulnerable to dangerous and even deadly scourges. Syphilis, for example, has been on the rise for many years but rose sharply during the pandemic.

    COVID-19 has drawn the lion’s share of attention from the public health bureaucracy since 2020, leading to shortfalls in other areas, some experts said.

    “All of these diseases are more prevalent in part because of lockdown policies which diverted public health resources and attention worldwide away from its traditional priorities of controlling the spread of these deadly infectious conditions,” Dr. Bhattacharya said, referring to measles and other maladies.

     
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    A common misconception is that covid is no longer a serious threat and some people may even believe it's less serious than the flu.  Actually, covid is much worse.  Infected seniors are 3-4 times more likely to die or 10 times more likely to be hospitalized than the flu according to American healthcare association.  In addition, up to 23% of covid patients may experience long covid.  Also treatments and vaccines are different for covid and the flu. 

    Sidehatch is right.  Anti-vaccine movement threatens to undo world's progress against deadly infectious diseases.  Anti-vaxxers falsely claim vaccines are more dangerous than diseases.  Misinformation fuels vaccine hesitancy.  World economic forum cites misinformation as the greatest threat to society.    But if society continues to forget how dangerous infectious diseases have been in the past, that will have serious implications for public health in the future.

     

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    A common misconception is that covid is no longer a serious threat and some people may even believe it's less serious than the flu.  Actually, covid is much worse.  Infected seniors are 3-4 times more likely to die or 10 times more likely to be hospitalized than the flu according to American healthcare association.  In addition, up to 23% of covid patients may experience long covid.  Also treatments and vaccines are different for covid and the flu. 

    Sidehatch is right.  Anti-vaccine movement threatens to undo world's progress against deadly infectious diseases.  Anti-vaxxers falsely claim vaccines are more dangerous than diseases.  Misinformation fuels vaccine hesitancy.  World economic forum cites misinformation as the greatest threat to society.    But if society continues to forget how dangerous infectious diseases have been in the past, that will have serious implications for public health in the future.

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2024 - 6:31 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Measles is making a comeback in the United States thanks to the proliferation of anti-science and pro-death anti-vaxxers. This time it’s happening in Florida, with Florida Man Surgeon General stupidly encouraging parents to continue sending unvaccinated kids who were exposed to measles to school. 
     

    Antivaxxers and Florida admin  =   new_poop

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Measles is making a comeback in the United States thanks to the proliferation of anti-science and pro-death anti-vaxxers. This time it’s happening in Florida, with Florida Man Surgeon General stupidly encouraging parents to continue sending unvaccinated kids who were exposed to measles to school. 
     

    Antivaxxers and Florida admin  =   new_poop

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75:

    In case you haven't noticed, what a lot of people thought about Covid is coming true, it's to be treated as you would the common flu. No more staying at home for 5 days. And how about all those people who got an experimental vaccine because of something comparable to the common flu. All those people who refused it and lost careers/jobs because they didn't want to take it. Thanks sheep for that. Good job. Enjoy your myocarditis and whatever else comes from those vaccines you sheeple have taken in high numbers.

    In case you haven’t noticed, you’re posting about Covid in a measles thread. You can take your condescension to the ICU where they’ll be happy to serve you with the catheter you deserve.

    Also “sheeple?” What is this 1997? You’re using AOL as your web browser, aren’t cha? LMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75:

    In case you haven't noticed, what a lot of people thought about Covid is coming true, it's to be treated as you would the common flu. No more staying at home for 5 days. And how about all those people who got an experimental vaccine because of something comparable to the common flu. All those people who refused it and lost careers/jobs because they didn't want to take it. Thanks sheep for that. Good job. Enjoy your myocarditis and whatever else comes from those vaccines you sheeple have taken in high numbers.

    In case you haven’t noticed, you’re posting about Covid in a measles thread. You can take your condescension to the ICU where they’ll be happy to serve you with the catheter you deserve.

    Also “sheeple?” What is this 1997? You’re using AOL as your web browser, aren’t cha? LMAO

     
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    In 2019, before COVID, there were 1,274 cases of measles in the United States. The state of Washington had to declare an emergency.

    Many measle cases this year are reported to be after "International Travel".

    So far in the last three years at least 10 million "International Travelers" have crossed our Southern Border. an_light

    Expect many more cases from "International Travelers". 

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    In 2019, before COVID, there were 1,274 cases of measles in the United States. The state of Washington had to declare an emergency.

    Many measle cases this year are reported to be after "International Travel".

    So far in the last three years at least 10 million "International Travelers" have crossed our Southern Border. an_light

    Expect many more cases from "International Travelers". 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    There is some concern the issues with the Wuhan shot not being as it was touted has some to do with this for sure.  But there is this also: In March, Al Jazeera reported that the Taliban would allow a polio vaccination program for children, but precise figures on the country’s overall vaccination rate remain unclear. The World Health Organization estimates that 76% of Afghanistan’s children have received a polio vaccine. But some countries have even lower vaccination rates. On Nov. 30, for instance, some 700 people, including many from Senegal and Nigeria, walked into the U.S. at the Texas border. Only 63% of Senegal’s children have been vaccinated for polio, and various fevers, hepatitis, and malaria are endemic there. Measles, which the U.S. declared eliminated here in 2000, are an issue, too. The WHO estimates 22 million children missed their first measles vaccine last year and more than half of them live in just 10 countries, all of which fall in the “historically atypical” immigration list. Measles cases have risen in the U.S., from 13 individual cases in 2020 to 121 in 2022, according to the CDC. Recent outbreaks in Ohio and Illinois have all occurred among unvaccinated children, according to state health officials. The age and nationality of victims is not made public, but the measles vaccination rate is below 70% in many countries that have sent immigrants to the U.S. recently. While few are publicly pushing the panic button, some public health officials worry that a creeping mistrust of vaccines in the wake of the pandemic may make more Americans vulnerable to dangerous and even deadly scourges. Syphilis, for example, has been on the rise for many years but rose sharply during the pandemic. COVID-19 has drawn the lion’s share of attention from the public health bureaucracy since 2020, leading to shortfalls in other areas, some experts said. “All of these diseases are more prevalent in part because of lockdown policies which diverted public health resources and attention worldwide away from its traditional priorities of controlling the spread of these deadly infectious conditions,” Dr. Bhattacharya said, referring to measles and other maladies.

    Nice copy/pasta from the loonies at Hillsdale College. Tell those loony anti-vaxxers to get their MMR shots so toddlers can stop going to the hospital!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    There is some concern the issues with the Wuhan shot not being as it was touted has some to do with this for sure.  But there is this also: In March, Al Jazeera reported that the Taliban would allow a polio vaccination program for children, but precise figures on the country’s overall vaccination rate remain unclear. The World Health Organization estimates that 76% of Afghanistan’s children have received a polio vaccine. But some countries have even lower vaccination rates. On Nov. 30, for instance, some 700 people, including many from Senegal and Nigeria, walked into the U.S. at the Texas border. Only 63% of Senegal’s children have been vaccinated for polio, and various fevers, hepatitis, and malaria are endemic there. Measles, which the U.S. declared eliminated here in 2000, are an issue, too. The WHO estimates 22 million children missed their first measles vaccine last year and more than half of them live in just 10 countries, all of which fall in the “historically atypical” immigration list. Measles cases have risen in the U.S., from 13 individual cases in 2020 to 121 in 2022, according to the CDC. Recent outbreaks in Ohio and Illinois have all occurred among unvaccinated children, according to state health officials. The age and nationality of victims is not made public, but the measles vaccination rate is below 70% in many countries that have sent immigrants to the U.S. recently. While few are publicly pushing the panic button, some public health officials worry that a creeping mistrust of vaccines in the wake of the pandemic may make more Americans vulnerable to dangerous and even deadly scourges. Syphilis, for example, has been on the rise for many years but rose sharply during the pandemic. COVID-19 has drawn the lion’s share of attention from the public health bureaucracy since 2020, leading to shortfalls in other areas, some experts said. “All of these diseases are more prevalent in part because of lockdown policies which diverted public health resources and attention worldwide away from its traditional priorities of controlling the spread of these deadly infectious conditions,” Dr. Bhattacharya said, referring to measles and other maladies.

    Nice copy/pasta from the loonies at Hillsdale College. Tell those loony anti-vaxxers to get their MMR shots so toddlers can stop going to the hospital!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    In 2019, before COVID, there were 1,274 cases of measles in the United States. The state of Washington had to declare an emergency. Many measle cases this year are reported to be after "International Travel". So far in the last three years at least 10 million "International Travelers" have crossed our Southern Border.  Expect many more cases from "International Travelers".

    Nope, not in Florida. It’s unvaxxed kids according to FL’a surgeon general. But I can trust a guy who can’t spell measles correctly to get the basics wrong of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    In 2019, before COVID, there were 1,274 cases of measles in the United States. The state of Washington had to declare an emergency. Many measle cases this year are reported to be after "International Travel". So far in the last three years at least 10 million "International Travelers" have crossed our Southern Border.  Expect many more cases from "International Travelers".

    Nope, not in Florida. It’s unvaxxed kids according to FL’a surgeon general. But I can trust a guy who can’t spell measles correctly to get the basics wrong of course.

     
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    Did I mention the US vaccination rate for measles was 95% in 2019 under President Donald Trump.

    Since Biden took office measle vaccination rates have dropped. 

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    Did I mention the US vaccination rate for measles was 95% in 2019 under President Donald Trump.

    Since Biden took office measle vaccination rates have dropped. 

     
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     In case you haven’t noticed, you’re posting about Covid in a measles thread.

    Because there is a couple of connections with the lockdowns and the Covid vaccine issues.

    For example:

    The COVID-19 pandemic led to setbacks in surveillance and immunization efforts. The suspension of immunization services and declines in immunization rates and surveillance across the globe left millions of children vulnerable to preventable diseases like measles.

    No country is exempt from measles, and areas with low immunization encourage the virus to circulate, increasing the likelihood of outbreaks and putting all unvaccinated children at risk.

    We must regain progress and achieve regional measles elimination targets, despite the COVID-19 pandemic. Immunization programs should be strengthened within primary healthcare, so efforts to reach all children with two measles vaccine doses should be accelerated. Countries should also implement robust surveillance systems to identify and close immunity gaps.

     

     

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     In case you haven’t noticed, you’re posting about Covid in a measles thread.

    Because there is a couple of connections with the lockdowns and the Covid vaccine issues.

    For example:

    The COVID-19 pandemic led to setbacks in surveillance and immunization efforts. The suspension of immunization services and declines in immunization rates and surveillance across the globe left millions of children vulnerable to preventable diseases like measles.

    No country is exempt from measles, and areas with low immunization encourage the virus to circulate, increasing the likelihood of outbreaks and putting all unvaccinated children at risk.

    We must regain progress and achieve regional measles elimination targets, despite the COVID-19 pandemic. Immunization programs should be strengthened within primary healthcare, so efforts to reach all children with two measles vaccine doses should be accelerated. Countries should also implement robust surveillance systems to identify and close immunity gaps.

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: In 2019, before COVID, there were 1,274 cases of measles in the United States. The state of Washington had to declare an emergency. Many measle cases this year are reported to be after "International Travel". So far in the last three years at least 10 million "International Travelers" have crossed our Southern Border.  Expect many more cases from "International Travelers". Nope, not in Florida. It’s unvaxxed kids according to FL’a surgeon general. But I can trust a guy who can’t spell measles correctly to get the basics wrong of course.

    Oh my, did I forget the "s"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: In 2019, before COVID, there were 1,274 cases of measles in the United States. The state of Washington had to declare an emergency. Many measle cases this year are reported to be after "International Travel". So far in the last three years at least 10 million "International Travelers" have crossed our Southern Border.  Expect many more cases from "International Travelers". Nope, not in Florida. It’s unvaxxed kids according to FL’a surgeon general. But I can trust a guy who can’t spell measles correctly to get the basics wrong of course.

    Oh my, did I forget the "s"?

    I am still laughing about Victor Orban is a muslim. an_roll_laugh

     
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     I trust you on that.  I don’t go to their site. Mine was from RCI. But I am sure several outlets reprinted it. 
    Not sure the point of bashing the source because you do not like what they report.  But whatever. 

    The last one was off of the WHO international site.  So, go ahead and bash them as well. 
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     I trust you on that.  I don’t go to their site. Mine was from RCI. But I am sure several outlets reprinted it. 
    Not sure the point of bashing the source because you do not like what they report.  But whatever. 

    The last one was off of the WHO international site.  So, go ahead and bash them as well. 
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    You’re a bit too attacking in your approach but your heart is in the right place in attempting to get a discussion going . I think you would have better success at reaching that goal if you did not so easily succumb to the temptation of putting others down with some of your low blow comments . 

     
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    A few parents I have met with children that have autism point the finger to vaccines which I think these parents need to look inward to their own genes and not whooping cough shots...mmr vax...etc...

    Its coincidently right around the time your 2 year old starts getting boosters.

    Not saying all parents feel this way but this is a strong reason why many kids are un vaxed.  Not just in FL either, but maybe FL should get a law or two on the books with public schools and children vax history.  Private daycares that don't require this is probably the lead driving clause of these outbreaks.  

    The other elephant in the room on these no vaxed kids are ALL THE UNVETTED ILLEGALS from other countries that are here untested.

    The sickness that has not been here came from other places, from third world countries who are not vaxed like the US.  

    with the reported 10 million in this category, measles won't be the top on the list, very contagious yes but wait till ebola, polio, or even meningitis popping up in lots of places around these sanctuary cities.  

    It is also concerning that the covid "shot" is up to its tenth dose.  It's not a vax, it's just like the flu shot that is guess on what strain maybe dominant at one certain timeframe.  After the first two and still getting covid two times afterwards my immune system is way better than any shot available now.  I am not 60+, I am not a fatass lazy human.  Only certain big city BLUE state populations will be up to date on their now 10th covid shot (not VAX) 

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    A few parents I have met with children that have autism point the finger to vaccines which I think these parents need to look inward to their own genes and not whooping cough shots...mmr vax...etc...

    Its coincidently right around the time your 2 year old starts getting boosters.

    Not saying all parents feel this way but this is a strong reason why many kids are un vaxed.  Not just in FL either, but maybe FL should get a law or two on the books with public schools and children vax history.  Private daycares that don't require this is probably the lead driving clause of these outbreaks.  

    The other elephant in the room on these no vaxed kids are ALL THE UNVETTED ILLEGALS from other countries that are here untested.

    The sickness that has not been here came from other places, from third world countries who are not vaxed like the US.  

    with the reported 10 million in this category, measles won't be the top on the list, very contagious yes but wait till ebola, polio, or even meningitis popping up in lots of places around these sanctuary cities.  

    It is also concerning that the covid "shot" is up to its tenth dose.  It's not a vax, it's just like the flu shot that is guess on what strain maybe dominant at one certain timeframe.  After the first two and still getting covid two times afterwards my immune system is way better than any shot available now.  I am not 60+, I am not a fatass lazy human.  Only certain big city BLUE state populations will be up to date on their now 10th covid shot (not VAX) 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by soup-can:

    A few parents I have met with children that have autism point the finger to vaccines which I think these parents need to look inward to their own genes and not whooping cough shots...mmr vax...etc... It’s coincidently right around the time your 2 year old starts getting boosters. Not saying all parents feel this way but this is a strong reason why many kids are un vaxed.  Not just in FL either, but maybe FL should get a law or two on the books with public schools and children vax history.  Private daycares that don't require this is probably the lead driving clause of these outbreaks.   The other elephant in the room on these no vaxed kids are ALL THE UNVETTED ILLEGALS from other countries that are here untested. The sickness that has not been here came from other places, from third world countries who are not vaxed like the US.   with the reported 10 million in this category, measles won't be the top on the list, very contagious yes but wait till ebola, polio, or even meningitis popping up in lots of places around these sanctuary cities.   It is also concerning that the covid "shot" is up to its tenth dose.  It's not a vax, it's just like the flu shot that is guess on what strain maybe dominant at one certain timeframe.  After the first two and still getting covid two times afterwards my immune system is way better than any shot available now.  I am not 60+, I am not a fatass lazy human.  Only certain big city BLUE state populations will be up to date on their now 10th covid shot (not VAX)

    So if your lies were true, how come measles outbreaks occurred when Trump allegedly stopped all immigration? Or is it the fault of all Republicans for failing to support any border security bill dating back to the ones Bush/Kyl/McCain sponsored 20 years ago when they controlled the executive and the legislative branches? (As they did several times since then.) 

    Hmmm, blaming the immigrants but not the anti-vaxxers sure seems like a convenient strategy, especially in lieu of the statistics I posted that you have failed to rebut with any scientific evidence or data. It’s almost like you are regurgitating political talking points instead of your own? Imagine that!

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    A few parents I have met with children that have autism point the finger to vaccines which I think these parents need to look inward to their own genes and not whooping cough shots...mmr vax...etc... It’s coincidently right around the time your 2 year old starts getting boosters. Not saying all parents feel this way but this is a strong reason why many kids are un vaxed.  Not just in FL either, but maybe FL should get a law or two on the books with public schools and children vax history.  Private daycares that don't require this is probably the lead driving clause of these outbreaks.   The other elephant in the room on these no vaxed kids are ALL THE UNVETTED ILLEGALS from other countries that are here untested. The sickness that has not been here came from other places, from third world countries who are not vaxed like the US.   with the reported 10 million in this category, measles won't be the top on the list, very contagious yes but wait till ebola, polio, or even meningitis popping up in lots of places around these sanctuary cities.   It is also concerning that the covid "shot" is up to its tenth dose.  It's not a vax, it's just like the flu shot that is guess on what strain maybe dominant at one certain timeframe.  After the first two and still getting covid two times afterwards my immune system is way better than any shot available now.  I am not 60+, I am not a fatass lazy human.  Only certain big city BLUE state populations will be up to date on their now 10th covid shot (not VAX)

    So if your lies were true, how come measles outbreaks occurred when Trump allegedly stopped all immigration? Or is it the fault of all Republicans for failing to support any border security bill dating back to the ones Bush/Kyl/McCain sponsored 20 years ago when they controlled the executive and the legislative branches? (As they did several times since then.) 

    Hmmm, blaming the immigrants but not the anti-vaxxers sure seems like a convenient strategy, especially in lieu of the statistics I posted that you have failed to rebut with any scientific evidence or data. It’s almost like you are regurgitating political talking points instead of your own? Imagine that!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Quote Originally Posted by soup-can: A few parents I have met with children that have autism point the finger to vaccines which I think these parents need to look inward to their own genes and not whooping cough shots...mmr vax...etc... It’s coincidently right around the time your 2 year old starts getting boosters. Not saying all parents feel this way but this is a strong reason why many kids are un vaxed.  Not just in FL either, but maybe FL should get a law or two on the books with public schools and children vax history.  Private daycares that don't require this is probably the lead driving clause of these outbreaks.   The other elephant in the room on these no vaxed kids are ALL THE UNVETTED ILLEGALS from other countries that are here untested. The sickness that has not been here came from other places, from third world countries who are not vaxed like the US.   with the reported 10 million in this category, measles won't be the top on the list, very contagious yes but wait till ebola, polio, or even meningitis popping up in lots of places around these sanctuary cities.   It is also concerning that the covid "shot" is up to its tenth dose.  It's not a vax, it's just like the flu shot that is guess on what strain maybe dominant at one certain timeframe.  After the first two and still getting covid two times afterwards my immune system is way better than any shot available now.  I am not 60+, I am not a fatass lazy human.  Only certain big city BLUE state populations will be up to date on their now 10th covid shot (not VAX) So if your lies were true, how come measles outbreaks occurred when Trump allegedly stopped all immigration? Or is it the fault of all Republicans for failing to support any border security bill dating back to the ones Bush/Kyl/McCain sponsored 20 years ago when they controlled the executive and the legislative branches? (As they did several times since then.)  Hmmm, blaming the immigrants but not the anti-vaxxers sure seems like a convenient strategy, especially in lieu of the statistics I posted that you have failed to rebut with any scientific evidence or data. It’s almost like you are regurgitating political talking points instead of your own? Imagine that!

    Also, you obviously don’t have young kids. Good luck getting your kid into preschool in most states unvaccinated. It’s FL and their right wing SG who is the outlier here. Gee, maybe requiring basic vaccinations - as was the norm for most of our childhoods from the 1960s-1990s - was a really good idea? Imagine that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by soup-can: A few parents I have met with children that have autism point the finger to vaccines which I think these parents need to look inward to their own genes and not whooping cough shots...mmr vax...etc... It’s coincidently right around the time your 2 year old starts getting boosters. Not saying all parents feel this way but this is a strong reason why many kids are un vaxed.  Not just in FL either, but maybe FL should get a law or two on the books with public schools and children vax history.  Private daycares that don't require this is probably the lead driving clause of these outbreaks.   The other elephant in the room on these no vaxed kids are ALL THE UNVETTED ILLEGALS from other countries that are here untested. The sickness that has not been here came from other places, from third world countries who are not vaxed like the US.   with the reported 10 million in this category, measles won't be the top on the list, very contagious yes but wait till ebola, polio, or even meningitis popping up in lots of places around these sanctuary cities.   It is also concerning that the covid "shot" is up to its tenth dose.  It's not a vax, it's just like the flu shot that is guess on what strain maybe dominant at one certain timeframe.  After the first two and still getting covid two times afterwards my immune system is way better than any shot available now.  I am not 60+, I am not a fatass lazy human.  Only certain big city BLUE state populations will be up to date on their now 10th covid shot (not VAX) So if your lies were true, how come measles outbreaks occurred when Trump allegedly stopped all immigration? Or is it the fault of all Republicans for failing to support any border security bill dating back to the ones Bush/Kyl/McCain sponsored 20 years ago when they controlled the executive and the legislative branches? (As they did several times since then.)  Hmmm, blaming the immigrants but not the anti-vaxxers sure seems like a convenient strategy, especially in lieu of the statistics I posted that you have failed to rebut with any scientific evidence or data. It’s almost like you are regurgitating political talking points instead of your own? Imagine that!

    Also, you obviously don’t have young kids. Good luck getting your kid into preschool in most states unvaccinated. It’s FL and their right wing SG who is the outlier here. Gee, maybe requiring basic vaccinations - as was the norm for most of our childhoods from the 1960s-1990s - was a really good idea? Imagine that!

     
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     Man you are broken, I obviously do have young kids and that's why I am knowledgeable about this and not just assuming or guessing.  

    It has been proven over and over that Trump didn't stop all immigration, you know that.  

    How about this keyboard warrior, I just read wallstreet whining about stalking and crap in another thread you just posted in.  

    My input into this thread, post # 15 had NO negative meaning on your thread.  I did nothing to disagree with any said point here, only posted truthful information

    Then you attack my words as LIES post # 16, assume I regurgitate media vomit and that I am not a parent.  Its ok I am not offended, I will not run and tattle to wallstreet about how offended your words werean_roll_laugh 

    you know I don't side with the radical left, but you sir just stepped out of line and man the moderator has to eat some serious crow here.  

     

    Baiting, harassing, stalking...interesting....

     

    so commenting in another persons thread about what they said on a public forum is one of those three??? Essentially, not agreeing with someone is baiting, harassing and stalking, correct?

     

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     Man you are broken, I obviously do have young kids and that's why I am knowledgeable about this and not just assuming or guessing.  

    It has been proven over and over that Trump didn't stop all immigration, you know that.  

    How about this keyboard warrior, I just read wallstreet whining about stalking and crap in another thread you just posted in.  

    My input into this thread, post # 15 had NO negative meaning on your thread.  I did nothing to disagree with any said point here, only posted truthful information

    Then you attack my words as LIES post # 16, assume I regurgitate media vomit and that I am not a parent.  Its ok I am not offended, I will not run and tattle to wallstreet about how offended your words werean_roll_laugh 

    you know I don't side with the radical left, but you sir just stepped out of line and man the moderator has to eat some serious crow here.  

     

    Baiting, harassing, stalking...interesting....

     

    so commenting in another persons thread about what they said on a public forum is one of those three??? Essentially, not agreeing with someone is baiting, harassing and stalking, correct?

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by soup-can:

      The other elephant in the room on these no vaxed kids are ALL THE UNVETTED ILLEGALS from other countries that are here untested. The sickness that has not been here came from other places, from third world countries who are not vaxed like the US. 

    Center for disease control doesn't blame immigrants.  Outbreaks of measles is largely due to inadequate vaccination rates and American travelers who return from other countries.  Under immigration laws, non-citizens must be vaccinated for many diseases before entry into the US.  Most illegal immigrants enter US legally but overstay their visa.

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      The other elephant in the room on these no vaxed kids are ALL THE UNVETTED ILLEGALS from other countries that are here untested. The sickness that has not been here came from other places, from third world countries who are not vaxed like the US. 

    Center for disease control doesn't blame immigrants.  Outbreaks of measles is largely due to inadequate vaccination rates and American travelers who return from other countries.  Under immigration laws, non-citizens must be vaccinated for many diseases before entry into the US.  Most illegal immigrants enter US legally but overstay their visa.

     
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    The 'kill' shot murdered an estimated 20M people across the planet. The vaxxx is still killing people on a daily basis. How many more human beings will die suddenly and unexpectedly in the next 5 years as the poison inside the covid vaccine destroys their body? The actuaries at life insurance companies know the horrid numbers. My point is why do people trust the medical industrial complex with a measles vaccine? There is no telling  what poison is in the measles vaccine that will go into the body of your child.

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    The 'kill' shot murdered an estimated 20M people across the planet. The vaxxx is still killing people on a daily basis. How many more human beings will die suddenly and unexpectedly in the next 5 years as the poison inside the covid vaccine destroys their body? The actuaries at life insurance companies know the horrid numbers. My point is why do people trust the medical industrial complex with a measles vaccine? There is no telling  what poison is in the measles vaccine that will go into the body of your child.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by spockgato:

    You’re a bit too attacking in your approach but your heart is in the right place in attempting to get a discussion going . I think you would have better success at reaching that goal if you did not so easily succumb to the temptation of putting others down with some of your low blow comments .
    100% accurate...peace_5

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    You’re a bit too attacking in your approach but your heart is in the right place in attempting to get a discussion going . I think you would have better success at reaching that goal if you did not so easily succumb to the temptation of putting others down with some of your low blow comments .
    100% accurate...peace_5

     
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    It’s like there’s a small little world of politics living inside the politics forum . It’s like a tapeworm . It’s quite odd . And strange . But it is fascinating . There’s a lot of knowledge to gain here by seeing these little mini-games play out . I’m learning a lot about people , hierarchies , power , justice , freedom , and censorship . It may seem frivolous to others but I appreciate the educational experience . Especially when it comes to watching and understanding the methods or reasoning used to justify the “ going’s on in here “ . Thank you forum members . 

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    It’s like there’s a small little world of politics living inside the politics forum . It’s like a tapeworm . It’s quite odd . And strange . But it is fascinating . There’s a lot of knowledge to gain here by seeing these little mini-games play out . I’m learning a lot about people , hierarchies , power , justice , freedom , and censorship . It may seem frivolous to others but I appreciate the educational experience . Especially when it comes to watching and understanding the methods or reasoning used to justify the “ going’s on in here “ . Thank you forum members . 

     
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    Lancet journal reports no adverse health effects from a 62-years old man taking 214 covid vaccine shots over 29 months!  People should be more scared of diseases instead of vaccines.  They should trust science more than conspiracy theories.

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    Lancet journal reports no adverse health effects from a 62-years old man taking 214 covid vaccine shots over 29 months!  People should be more scared of diseases instead of vaccines.  They should trust science more than conspiracy theories.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The 'kill' shot murdered an estimated 20M people across the planet.  The actuaries at life insurance companies know the horrid numbers. My point is why do people trust the medical industrial complex with a measles vaccine?

    No evidence suggests covid vaccines cause millions of deaths worldwide.  Anti-vaxxers promote false estimates that wrongly assume all deaths following vaccination are due to vaccines and that vaccine deaths are under reported. VAERS and EUDRA databases warn reports of adverse events aren't accurate. Correlation alone cannot prove causality. American council of life insurers say vaccination status doesn't affect insurance coverage.  In 2022, Lancet study estimates covid vaccination prevented 20 million global deaths.  Decades of research found that measle vaccines are safe and effective in preventing millions of deaths, cases and hospitalizations.

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    The 'kill' shot murdered an estimated 20M people across the planet.  The actuaries at life insurance companies know the horrid numbers. My point is why do people trust the medical industrial complex with a measles vaccine?

    No evidence suggests covid vaccines cause millions of deaths worldwide.  Anti-vaxxers promote false estimates that wrongly assume all deaths following vaccination are due to vaccines and that vaccine deaths are under reported. VAERS and EUDRA databases warn reports of adverse events aren't accurate. Correlation alone cannot prove causality. American council of life insurers say vaccination status doesn't affect insurance coverage.  In 2022, Lancet study estimates covid vaccination prevented 20 million global deaths.  Decades of research found that measle vaccines are safe and effective in preventing millions of deaths, cases and hospitalizations.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by a troll: ~BS snipped~

     

    Hmmm, blaming the immigrants but not the anti-vaxxers sure seems like a convenient strategy, especially in lieu of the statistics I posted that you have failed to rebut with any scientific evidence or data. It’s almost like you are regurgitating political talking points instead of your own? Imagine that!

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     Well, all over the US, MAGAs are blaming the brown people who don't speak English for much of our problems.  That's their typical go to rhetoric.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by a troll: ~BS snipped~

     

    Hmmm, blaming the immigrants but not the anti-vaxxers sure seems like a convenient strategy, especially in lieu of the statistics I posted that you have failed to rebut with any scientific evidence or data. It’s almost like you are regurgitating political talking points instead of your own? Imagine that!

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     Well, all over the US, MAGAs are blaming the brown people who don't speak English for much of our problems.  That's their typical go to rhetoric.

     

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