Murder rates for top 8 cities for 2015 Chicago 473 New York 352 Baltimore 344 Los Angeles 283 St Louis 188 New Orleans 162 Washington DC 165 Milwaukee 145 Dallas 136
Toughest gun controls in the most populous cities in the nation has led to more deaths then what happened to American soldiers in Iraq in the entirety of the gulf wars. All under Democratic controlled cities. This report didn't even use Detroit.
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Murder rates for top 8 cities for 2015 Chicago 473 New York 352 Baltimore 344 Los Angeles 283 St Louis 188 New Orleans 162 Washington DC 165 Milwaukee 145 Dallas 136
Toughest gun controls in the most populous cities in the nation has led to more deaths then what happened to American soldiers in Iraq in the entirety of the gulf wars. All under Democratic controlled cities. This report didn't even use Detroit.
If some one reported a loosely affiliated network of citizens and aliens were responsible for over 1500 deaths and 20000 wounded of American citizens it would be labeled enemy number one but because its minority gang violence it is allowed? Just the tip human trafficking drugs prostitution torture Also involved with these he grown organization s.
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If some one reported a loosely affiliated network of citizens and aliens were responsible for over 1500 deaths and 20000 wounded of American citizens it would be labeled enemy number one but because its minority gang violence it is allowed? Just the tip human trafficking drugs prostitution torture Also involved with these he grown organization s.
Kaepernick say's he's protesting police that are targeting minorities.. "There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”and he wants to see that stopped.
Well,, if he looks around America's major cities listed above ..he would see that there are many bodies of blacks and people of color in the streets .....and that blacks are also targeting minorities....
Does he want that to stop too ? or ...Is he just protesting the paid leave.. ?
Kaepernick say's he's protesting police that are targeting minorities.. "There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”and he wants to see that stopped.
Well,, if he looks around America's major cities listed above ..he would see that there are many bodies of blacks and people of color in the streets .....and that blacks are also targeting minorities....
Does he want that to stop too ? or ...Is he just protesting the paid leave.. ?
Here's a guy that will pocket $12M for sitting on a bench protesting "paid leave" of cops that more often than not completely justified killing criminals in self defense. What a joke he's become. Do you really believe he'd be doing this if he was still a starting quarterback and a star?
Here's a guy that will pocket $12M for sitting on a bench protesting "paid leave" of cops that more often than not completely justified killing criminals in self defense. What a joke he's become. Do you really believe he'd be doing this if he was still a starting quarterback and a star?
Murder rates for top 8 cities for 2015 Chicago 473 New York 352 Baltimore 344 Los Angeles 283 St Louis 188 New Orleans 162 Washington DC 165 Milwaukee 145 Dallas 136
Toughest gun controls in the most populous cities in the nation has led to more deaths then what happened to American soldiers in Iraq in the entirety of the gulf wars. All under Democratic controlled cities. This report didn't even use Detroit.
Can you show me how those numbers are proportional to total population? Were these murders all a product of guns?
Do you have any evidence that gun control actually lead to these deaths? I am open to facts and numbers supporting this if you have them.
But if this is somehow using the deaths of these people as a means of manufacturing a talking point that cannot be proven with facts and numbers I would say this is pretty sad.
Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:
Murder rates for top 8 cities for 2015 Chicago 473 New York 352 Baltimore 344 Los Angeles 283 St Louis 188 New Orleans 162 Washington DC 165 Milwaukee 145 Dallas 136
Toughest gun controls in the most populous cities in the nation has led to more deaths then what happened to American soldiers in Iraq in the entirety of the gulf wars. All under Democratic controlled cities. This report didn't even use Detroit.
Can you show me how those numbers are proportional to total population? Were these murders all a product of guns?
Do you have any evidence that gun control actually lead to these deaths? I am open to facts and numbers supporting this if you have them.
But if this is somehow using the deaths of these people as a means of manufacturing a talking point that cannot be proven with facts and numbers I would say this is pretty sad.
Here's a guy that will pocket $12M for sitting on a bench protesting "paid leave" of cops that more often than not completely justified killing criminals in self defense. What a joke he's become. Do you really believe he'd be doing this if he was still a starting quarterback and a star?
I think he would be doing this and even more if he were a starter and star. Kaep is doing this not for personal attention only but to bring attention to a cause. And if people are talking about kaep he is winning big time. He should be just a forgotten bench player in the nfl but instead you have people obsessed over him and can't get him out of their heads.
Seems like kaep has upset some of the emotional and angry bigots of America along with others. At least that is what we have been seeing. The fact that kaep is even thought or brought up shows that he is playing many like a
Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:
Here's a guy that will pocket $12M for sitting on a bench protesting "paid leave" of cops that more often than not completely justified killing criminals in self defense. What a joke he's become. Do you really believe he'd be doing this if he was still a starting quarterback and a star?
I think he would be doing this and even more if he were a starter and star. Kaep is doing this not for personal attention only but to bring attention to a cause. And if people are talking about kaep he is winning big time. He should be just a forgotten bench player in the nfl but instead you have people obsessed over him and can't get him out of their heads.
Seems like kaep has upset some of the emotional and angry bigots of America along with others. At least that is what we have been seeing. The fact that kaep is even thought or brought up shows that he is playing many like a
Only because of the media loves anyone that protests against the U.S. I wonder if old Kaep was protesting the Rainbow flag if the media and the empty suit would be so supportive of him exercising his first amendment rights? Thought or brought up? He's been in the USA Today sports page every day since this started. If the media let it go, no one would know or care.
You see DL only when it supports the narrative does it get play and support... You're the one being played here. He's a has-been fool that being used by some Muslim puzzy... Soon he wont have the privilege of standing on a sideline making his asinine statement. No problem with the black lives lost at record pace in the major cities to other blacks. Just an isolated incident here and there that has him all worked up huh? Oppressed? AA's are provided with the same opportunities, possibly more to get educated and become something but collectively not yet. Whitey is keeping them down, sure Kaep... Victim mentality at work here...
Only because of the media loves anyone that protests against the U.S. I wonder if old Kaep was protesting the Rainbow flag if the media and the empty suit would be so supportive of him exercising his first amendment rights? Thought or brought up? He's been in the USA Today sports page every day since this started. If the media let it go, no one would know or care.
You see DL only when it supports the narrative does it get play and support... You're the one being played here. He's a has-been fool that being used by some Muslim puzzy... Soon he wont have the privilege of standing on a sideline making his asinine statement. No problem with the black lives lost at record pace in the major cities to other blacks. Just an isolated incident here and there that has him all worked up huh? Oppressed? AA's are provided with the same opportunities, possibly more to get educated and become something but collectively not yet. Whitey is keeping them down, sure Kaep... Victim mentality at work here...
Here's a guy that will pocket $12M for sitting on a bench protesting "paid leave" of cops that more often than not completely justified killing criminals in self defense. What a joke he's become. Do you really believe he'd be doing this if he was still a starting quarterback and a star?
The Pastor of Disaster
Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:
Here's a guy that will pocket $12M for sitting on a bench protesting "paid leave" of cops that more often than not completely justified killing criminals in self defense. What a joke he's become. Do you really believe he'd be doing this if he was still a starting quarterback and a star?
Dl whom is in control of those local governments. How hard is it to purchase a gun legally in those areas? This ain't rocket science it decades of media supported democratic initiatives that has led these cities down this road. Its a constant pass the buck grasp for a easy fix to a huge problem. Yes this carnage is leading to lower waiting periods for life saving organ transplants, but if we follow the organs to transplant recipients have been from other countries. Their is a serious concern that with in the contexts of multimillionaires needing a kidney or heart or lung liver this type of setting can be utilize the darkest scenarios what happens when tissue match is targeted, Cheney heart or Mickey mantles liver. What would be done what has been domestically in the liberals churches aka hospitals.
The context and narratives of tone and pc and special action programs with no over sights not even awareness of the programs to produce organs for clientele won't ever be addressed.
Dl whom is in control of those local governments. How hard is it to purchase a gun legally in those areas? This ain't rocket science it decades of media supported democratic initiatives that has led these cities down this road. Its a constant pass the buck grasp for a easy fix to a huge problem. Yes this carnage is leading to lower waiting periods for life saving organ transplants, but if we follow the organs to transplant recipients have been from other countries. Their is a serious concern that with in the contexts of multimillionaires needing a kidney or heart or lung liver this type of setting can be utilize the darkest scenarios what happens when tissue match is targeted, Cheney heart or Mickey mantles liver. What would be done what has been domestically in the liberals churches aka hospitals.
The context and narratives of tone and pc and special action programs with no over sights not even awareness of the programs to produce organs for clientele won't ever be addressed.
Here's a guy that will pocket $12M for sitting on a bench protesting "paid leave" of cops that more often than not completely justified killing criminals in self defense. What a joke he's become. Do you really believe he'd be doing this if he was still a starting quarterback and a star?
Yeah how come Kaepernick didn't protest till he was a third stringer sitting on the bench ?
Without a doubt he wouldn't have been doing this if he was a star and starting QB..
I see today that Shaquille O’Neal is among the ones that agree with a lot of us......
“I don’t know Colin, but to each his own. I don’t really have a say on it, but I would never do that,” O’Neal said Wednesday.
“My question is: What happened last year? How come you didn’t decide to
do this last year, or the year before that, or the year before that,”
O’Neal said of Kaepernick.... He added, “My
thing is, you know, you have to enter onto the scene one way. People
like Muhammad Ali and Bill Russell, they were one way their whole
career.
Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:
Here's a guy that will pocket $12M for sitting on a bench protesting "paid leave" of cops that more often than not completely justified killing criminals in self defense. What a joke he's become. Do you really believe he'd be doing this if he was still a starting quarterback and a star?
Yeah how come Kaepernick didn't protest till he was a third stringer sitting on the bench ?
Without a doubt he wouldn't have been doing this if he was a star and starting QB..
I see today that Shaquille O’Neal is among the ones that agree with a lot of us......
“I don’t know Colin, but to each his own. I don’t really have a say on it, but I would never do that,” O’Neal said Wednesday.
“My question is: What happened last year? How come you didn’t decide to
do this last year, or the year before that, or the year before that,”
O’Neal said of Kaepernick.... He added, “My
thing is, you know, you have to enter onto the scene one way. People
like Muhammad Ali and Bill Russell, they were one way their whole
career.
Only because of the media loves anyone that protests against the U.S. I wonder if old Kaep was protesting the Rainbow flag if the media and the empty suit would be so supportive of him exercising his first amendment rights? Thought or brought up? He's been in the USA Today sports page every day since this started. If the media let it go, no one would know or care.
You see DL only when it supports the narrative does it get play and support... You're the one being played here. He's a has-been fool that being used by some Muslim puzzy... Soon he wont have the privilege of standing on a sideline making his asinine statement. No problem with the black lives lost at record pace in the major cities to other blacks. Just an isolated incident here and there that has him all worked up huh? Oppressed? AA's are provided with the same opportunities, possibly more to get educated and become something but collectively not yet. Whitey is keeping them down, sure Kaep... Victim mentality at work here...
How am I being played? By simply pointing out the reality that kaepernick is doing this to bring attention to himself and his cause?
Pointing out the reality that he is winning by getting attention to himself and his cause?
Or that he is has gotten people to side with him? And at the same time upset emotional racists and others?
The only victim mentality I see hear is you crying and whining about media not being Fox News biased. Boo hoo, too bad, so sad... Such a victim of the media...
Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:
Only because of the media loves anyone that protests against the U.S. I wonder if old Kaep was protesting the Rainbow flag if the media and the empty suit would be so supportive of him exercising his first amendment rights? Thought or brought up? He's been in the USA Today sports page every day since this started. If the media let it go, no one would know or care.
You see DL only when it supports the narrative does it get play and support... You're the one being played here. He's a has-been fool that being used by some Muslim puzzy... Soon he wont have the privilege of standing on a sideline making his asinine statement. No problem with the black lives lost at record pace in the major cities to other blacks. Just an isolated incident here and there that has him all worked up huh? Oppressed? AA's are provided with the same opportunities, possibly more to get educated and become something but collectively not yet. Whitey is keeping them down, sure Kaep... Victim mentality at work here...
How am I being played? By simply pointing out the reality that kaepernick is doing this to bring attention to himself and his cause?
Pointing out the reality that he is winning by getting attention to himself and his cause?
Or that he is has gotten people to side with him? And at the same time upset emotional racists and others?
The only victim mentality I see hear is you crying and whining about media not being Fox News biased. Boo hoo, too bad, so sad... Such a victim of the media...
Dl whom is in control of those local governments. How hard is it to purchase a gun legally in those areas? This ain't rocket science it decades of media supported democratic initiatives that has led these cities down this road. Its a constant pass the buck grasp for a easy fix to a huge problem. Yes this carnage is leading to lower waiting periods for life saving organ transplants, but if we follow the organs to transplant recipients have been from other countries. Their is a serious concern that with in the contexts of multimillionaires needing a kidney or heart or lung liver this type of setting can be utilize the darkest scenarios what happens when tissue match is targeted, Cheney heart or Mickey mantles liver. What would be done what has been domestically in the liberals churches aka hospitals.
The context and narratives of tone and pc and special action programs with no over sights not even awareness of the programs to produce organs for clientele won't ever be addressed.
Do you have numbers supporting your claims? I see a lot of text and not one number in there after i asked you for numbers on this. I also asked for the proportional ratios of population size to use ratios to have a rational view point.
I wonder why it is that you Fail to provide numbers on this and instead have nothing but a narrative that makes sense. I'm not even saying you are wrong, but it would be good to see numbers on the actual effects of specific law changes in guns and the effects those law changes actually had.
But instead you are going on and on about chiches and hospitals.
How about tryjng to show some actual numbers and real life proof to you statements about Specific gun control legislation and numbers on actual gun murders. If you can I guess...
Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:
Dl whom is in control of those local governments. How hard is it to purchase a gun legally in those areas? This ain't rocket science it decades of media supported democratic initiatives that has led these cities down this road. Its a constant pass the buck grasp for a easy fix to a huge problem. Yes this carnage is leading to lower waiting periods for life saving organ transplants, but if we follow the organs to transplant recipients have been from other countries. Their is a serious concern that with in the contexts of multimillionaires needing a kidney or heart or lung liver this type of setting can be utilize the darkest scenarios what happens when tissue match is targeted, Cheney heart or Mickey mantles liver. What would be done what has been domestically in the liberals churches aka hospitals.
The context and narratives of tone and pc and special action programs with no over sights not even awareness of the programs to produce organs for clientele won't ever be addressed.
Do you have numbers supporting your claims? I see a lot of text and not one number in there after i asked you for numbers on this. I also asked for the proportional ratios of population size to use ratios to have a rational view point.
I wonder why it is that you Fail to provide numbers on this and instead have nothing but a narrative that makes sense. I'm not even saying you are wrong, but it would be good to see numbers on the actual effects of specific law changes in guns and the effects those law changes actually had.
But instead you are going on and on about chiches and hospitals.
How about tryjng to show some actual numbers and real life proof to you statements about Specific gun control legislation and numbers on actual gun murders. If you can I guess...
Toughest gun controls in the most populous cities in the nation has led to more deaths
Those murder rates are just for one year 2015. According to FBI and Wikipedia, murder rates have mostly been declining for decades in the United States. According to Kansas City star and internetisinfo, many cities with weaker gun laws have higher murder rates than Chicago. Myth is that gun control allows for more murders to happen. National Journal found lower crime violence rates in cities with stricter gun laws.
Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:
Murder rates for top 8 cities for 2015
Toughest gun controls in the most populous cities in the nation has led to more deaths
Those murder rates are just for one year 2015. According to FBI and Wikipedia, murder rates have mostly been declining for decades in the United States. According to Kansas City star and internetisinfo, many cities with weaker gun laws have higher murder rates than Chicago. Myth is that gun control allows for more murders to happen. National Journal found lower crime violence rates in cities with stricter gun laws.
strict gun control laws in cities have limited value when it's easy to buy a gun in a nearby area (i.e. indiana) and bring it into the city (i.e. chicago). these aren't gun free zones at all. if you want to look at a gun free zone and see what gun crimes numbers look like, see australia. if you want to see an area that can successfully enact gun control laws and not be affected by other areas, see hawaii.
strict gun control laws in cities have limited value when it's easy to buy a gun in a nearby area (i.e. indiana) and bring it into the city (i.e. chicago). these aren't gun free zones at all. if you want to look at a gun free zone and see what gun crimes numbers look like, see australia. if you want to see an area that can successfully enact gun control laws and not be affected by other areas, see hawaii.
The ratio of white cops killing black folks is a joke when compared to blacks killing blacks. If you don't have any money and you did not attend college or a trade school and the other members of your family are not educated or employed ,this is not the results of racism or the society f'ing you over. Black families do not leave as much behind to their kids when they pass therefore life is much harder. dl36 has probably been told all his life about finding something negative,easy to find but not such a good trait.
The ratio of white cops killing black folks is a joke when compared to blacks killing blacks. If you don't have any money and you did not attend college or a trade school and the other members of your family are not educated or employed ,this is not the results of racism or the society f'ing you over. Black families do not leave as much behind to their kids when they pass therefore life is much harder. dl36 has probably been told all his life about finding something negative,easy to find but not such a good trait.
In 1995 an assessment to LBJ war on poverty. Dr Patrick F Fagan wrote an article for Heritage. Heritage is a conservative think tank and in his reporting welfare spending rose 800 percent and felonies were reported at three times the 1966 level. Phil Gramm r tx noted of social spending stopped crime we should be the place in the world. Senator Joe Biden sponsored Violent Crime control and law enforcement act of 1994 doubling down with NAFTA trade agreement.
The article transponder a single family house hold led to a 10 percent chance of staying away from crime. Where a stable two family had a 10 percent chance of getting involved with crime.
Another article " the gift that kepps on fivimf inner city violence poverty gangs drugs b shaming guilt and globalization by Jon Rappoport This article tied the Democratic initiatives in a cause am effect situation of what happened. Since 1966 feda have spent trillions ear marked for inner cities war has left these areas worse off. Globalization destroyed the middle class in the inner cities under Clinton America lost millions of manufacturing jobs to over seas call.centers part and toolalers and steel workers were permanent laid off as a small group was paid millions in tax credits to remove the backbone of the middle class. With the amount of federal money spent on inner city crime no stradgy has ever been described to remove gangs. Gangs are into terrorism the fear coercion and alpha warlord mentality is needed as the feds favor a single cartel it provides the sinalo areas to move drugs and the gang s are needed in the distribution of the drugs. In return the cartel provides use full intelligence on rival cartels and the whole relationship was exposed when a rifle seized I'm Chicago was sold and used to kill a border agent that rifle was slated to be destroyed October 30 the article by the Atlantic a highly left leaning publication acknowledged in October 30th 2014 that living in Detroit 21 out of 1000 citizens will be involved on a violent crime. Resulting in 15011 on 2012 grossed point Michigan a Republican strong hold 1.1 in 1000 a whole 6 was reported. In conclusion Democratic policies created NAFTA and destroyed inner city working middle class. They armed and protected drug cartels through fast and furious operations. They continue to ignore the troubled youth involved in gang activity. In my opinion are directly responsible for inner city crime and violence.
In 1995 an assessment to LBJ war on poverty. Dr Patrick F Fagan wrote an article for Heritage. Heritage is a conservative think tank and in his reporting welfare spending rose 800 percent and felonies were reported at three times the 1966 level. Phil Gramm r tx noted of social spending stopped crime we should be the place in the world. Senator Joe Biden sponsored Violent Crime control and law enforcement act of 1994 doubling down with NAFTA trade agreement.
The article transponder a single family house hold led to a 10 percent chance of staying away from crime. Where a stable two family had a 10 percent chance of getting involved with crime.
Another article " the gift that kepps on fivimf inner city violence poverty gangs drugs b shaming guilt and globalization by Jon Rappoport This article tied the Democratic initiatives in a cause am effect situation of what happened. Since 1966 feda have spent trillions ear marked for inner cities war has left these areas worse off. Globalization destroyed the middle class in the inner cities under Clinton America lost millions of manufacturing jobs to over seas call.centers part and toolalers and steel workers were permanent laid off as a small group was paid millions in tax credits to remove the backbone of the middle class. With the amount of federal money spent on inner city crime no stradgy has ever been described to remove gangs. Gangs are into terrorism the fear coercion and alpha warlord mentality is needed as the feds favor a single cartel it provides the sinalo areas to move drugs and the gang s are needed in the distribution of the drugs. In return the cartel provides use full intelligence on rival cartels and the whole relationship was exposed when a rifle seized I'm Chicago was sold and used to kill a border agent that rifle was slated to be destroyed October 30 the article by the Atlantic a highly left leaning publication acknowledged in October 30th 2014 that living in Detroit 21 out of 1000 citizens will be involved on a violent crime. Resulting in 15011 on 2012 grossed point Michigan a Republican strong hold 1.1 in 1000 a whole 6 was reported. In conclusion Democratic policies created NAFTA and destroyed inner city working middle class. They armed and protected drug cartels through fast and furious operations. They continue to ignore the troubled youth involved in gang activity. In my opinion are directly responsible for inner city crime and violence.
We have now made the 50 the anniversary of the initial war on poverty we have lost this war where it was once stated in fifty years the feds would end poverty. The Democratic has made poverty for America Crime is higher wages buying power lower heroin use is up overdoses are up murders are higher. Rapes are higher prisons are filled to capacity The agenda of the Democratic party is transparent . keep em poor beggars give em a hand out and allow drugs into their neiborhoods and vote for Democrats perpetually
We have now made the 50 the anniversary of the initial war on poverty we have lost this war where it was once stated in fifty years the feds would end poverty. The Democratic has made poverty for America Crime is higher wages buying power lower heroin use is up overdoses are up murders are higher. Rapes are higher prisons are filled to capacity The agenda of the Democratic party is transparent . keep em poor beggars give em a hand out and allow drugs into their neiborhoods and vote for Democrats perpetually
Wait, so what was the specific effect on specific gun legislation or laws?
I'm still seeing a lot of narrative but no real numbers or statistics. Once again, I am not saying you are wrong. In fact if you could give actual facts and numbers, I would probably agree with you on the actual relationship between gun laws actually being the cause of gun murders.
I honestly tune out most partisan rhetoric because it is biased and made to look one site look good and the other look bad so you can spare me the blah blah blah and provide some facts and numbers that show some real life proof. Well, if you can because so far you have displayed to the entire forum that you can't
Wait, so what was the specific effect on specific gun legislation or laws?
I'm still seeing a lot of narrative but no real numbers or statistics. Once again, I am not saying you are wrong. In fact if you could give actual facts and numbers, I would probably agree with you on the actual relationship between gun laws actually being the cause of gun murders.
I honestly tune out most partisan rhetoric because it is biased and made to look one site look good and the other look bad so you can spare me the blah blah blah and provide some facts and numbers that show some real life proof. Well, if you can because so far you have displayed to the entire forum that you can't
Okay just Chicago Of the over 2000 injured PR dead from gangland shootings how many criminals faced return fire from civilians None. So criminals have gums civilians cell phones and the murder count is over 500 for this year alone.
Okay just Chicago Of the over 2000 injured PR dead from gangland shootings how many criminals faced return fire from civilians None. So criminals have gums civilians cell phones and the murder count is over 500 for this year alone.
I don't agree with the way he did it but it is his constitutional right to do it. Don't all you right wingers believe in the constitution?
And nature since you equate all these murders to strict gun control in these cities how about a figure from you that the weapons used in these murders were purchased legally in the cities where the murders occurred.
I don't agree with the way he did it but it is his constitutional right to do it. Don't all you right wingers believe in the constitution?
And nature since you equate all these murders to strict gun control in these cities how about a figure from you that the weapons used in these murders were purchased legally in the cities where the murders occurred.
Okay I will go back to numbers Top 10 cities facing gang violence I go look for the least possible chance of gang violence to keep it fair we will qualify a city of having a.population of greater than 500,000 and do you understand where that research will tell us .
Republican rim amd.anages.cities have less violence Greater faith church attendance Better school graduation rates.and.by whole and.large a better quality of life for.it's.citizens And no way any left wing spin doctor can seize any grasp that gun laws directly coincide with less gun violence.
Okay I will go back to numbers Top 10 cities facing gang violence I go look for the least possible chance of gang violence to keep it fair we will qualify a city of having a.population of greater than 500,000 and do you understand where that research will tell us .
Republican rim amd.anages.cities have less violence Greater faith church attendance Better school graduation rates.and.by whole and.large a better quality of life for.it's.citizens And no way any left wing spin doctor can seize any grasp that gun laws directly coincide with less gun violence.
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