There’s a saying that goes, “If you’re going to pee in the pool, at least don’t do it from the diving board”. Rich people have always influenced American politics, some of them to an alarming degree, but they’ve all made at least a nominal effort to be discreet about it. What Musk is doing by letting it all hang out in the open.I am looking at the right-wingers in power right now, and “discreet” is definitely not a word I would use. When do the people realize this may be taking it a step too far.
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There’s a saying that goes, “If you’re going to pee in the pool, at least don’t do it from the diving board”. Rich people have always influenced American politics, some of them to an alarming degree, but they’ve all made at least a nominal effort to be discreet about it. What Musk is doing by letting it all hang out in the open.I am looking at the right-wingers in power right now, and “discreet” is definitely not a word I would use. When do the people realize this may be taking it a step too far.
There’s a saying that goes, “If you’re going to pee in the pool, at least don’t do it from the diving board”. Rich people have always influenced American politics, some of them to an alarming degree, but they’ve all made at least a nominal effort to be discreet about it. What Musk is doing by letting it all hang out in the open.I am looking at the right-wingers in power right now, and “discreet” is definitely not a word I would use. When do the people realize this may be taking it a step too far.
Yep. The trump-authoritarian destruction tour has begun...
It's wrong for it to happen like this of course. That much is obvious.
BUT.....because intelligent people oppose that stupidity, guess what?!...the MAGAs across the nation will now automatically and fully embrace it!
All hail President Musk!
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Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:
There’s a saying that goes, “If you’re going to pee in the pool, at least don’t do it from the diving board”. Rich people have always influenced American politics, some of them to an alarming degree, but they’ve all made at least a nominal effort to be discreet about it. What Musk is doing by letting it all hang out in the open.I am looking at the right-wingers in power right now, and “discreet” is definitely not a word I would use. When do the people realize this may be taking it a step too far.
Yep. The trump-authoritarian destruction tour has begun...
It's wrong for it to happen like this of course. That much is obvious.
BUT.....because intelligent people oppose that stupidity, guess what?!...the MAGAs across the nation will now automatically and fully embrace it!
Yeah if true at least we'd know who's running things.
Lefties are bonkers, literally an entire administration run in the shadows but they're mad about the guy who actually made electric vehicles work and went to space dumped them.
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@StumpTownStu
Yeah if true at least we'd know who's running things.
Lefties are bonkers, literally an entire administration run in the shadows but they're mad about the guy who actually made electric vehicles work and went to space dumped them.
Musk has no EV company without ZIRP, carbon credits and federal tax freebies. Do a teeny bit of research and understand that without the debt spending of the federal government, Tesla never makes it and EV would be still limping along probably by a company like Fisker or Nissan/Toyota.
Musk is the last person in this country that should be complaining about the government, the taxpayer and debt holder has created BILLIONS in net worth for Musk.
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@unplucked_gem
Cute..
Musk has no EV company without ZIRP, carbon credits and federal tax freebies. Do a teeny bit of research and understand that without the debt spending of the federal government, Tesla never makes it and EV would be still limping along probably by a company like Fisker or Nissan/Toyota.
Musk is the last person in this country that should be complaining about the government, the taxpayer and debt holder has created BILLIONS in net worth for Musk.
@unplucked_gem Cute.. Musk has no EV company without ZIRP, carbon credits and federal tax freebies. Do a teeny bit of research and understand that without the debt spending of the federal government, Tesla never makes it and EV would be still limping along probably by a company like Fisker or Nissan/Toyota. Musk is the last person in this country that should be complaining about the government, the taxpayer and debt holder has created BILLIONS in net worth for Musk.
NO, Congress, The Government, has forced the taxpayer to pay for many things that enriched many. Musk took advantage of basically a bad idea and waste of money by our government.
That's why the political party that was in control no longer is.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@unplucked_gem Cute.. Musk has no EV company without ZIRP, carbon credits and federal tax freebies. Do a teeny bit of research and understand that without the debt spending of the federal government, Tesla never makes it and EV would be still limping along probably by a company like Fisker or Nissan/Toyota. Musk is the last person in this country that should be complaining about the government, the taxpayer and debt holder has created BILLIONS in net worth for Musk.
NO, Congress, The Government, has forced the taxpayer to pay for many things that enriched many. Musk took advantage of basically a bad idea and waste of money by our government.
That's why the political party that was in control no longer is.
Musk is still taking advantage. Go look at their last quarterly statement and see how much of his profits came from fake carbon credits? Tesla has no reason to be given carbon credits since they are not a car maker who falls under the guidelines for why it was first created. If anything companies like Ford or Nissan or Toyota etc who do both gas and electric and hybrid should participate, NOT Tesla. Its a total ripoff scam to the taxpayer, the fact that Tesla profits between 25-60% of their profits off selling carbon credits is taxpayer theft period...then add the federal tax credits he has pocketed BILLIONS and then add ZIRP, if anything Musk needs to shut his trap about how inefficient and bloated the government is. Without the bloat he is pitching mutual funds to retirees.
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@UNIMAN
Musk is still taking advantage. Go look at their last quarterly statement and see how much of his profits came from fake carbon credits? Tesla has no reason to be given carbon credits since they are not a car maker who falls under the guidelines for why it was first created. If anything companies like Ford or Nissan or Toyota etc who do both gas and electric and hybrid should participate, NOT Tesla. Its a total ripoff scam to the taxpayer, the fact that Tesla profits between 25-60% of their profits off selling carbon credits is taxpayer theft period...then add the federal tax credits he has pocketed BILLIONS and then add ZIRP, if anything Musk needs to shut his trap about how inefficient and bloated the government is. Without the bloat he is pitching mutual funds to retirees.
This thread isn't about how Elon Musk amassed his fortune though. It's about his perceived influence on policy. Again, my question is, "What exactly has he influenced, and how does he benefited from said influence?
This thread is just the latest left hyperbolic conjecture. What value does this thread add? Is it something to be debated? The OP is correct in that this country has been a corporate oligarchy for some time. This is true regardless of what party is in power. If the OP pointed to a specific item of legislation, specific policy, that benefits Elon Musk and/or his ilk, and then drew a durect line correlating Musk and said policy, then the thread would be saying something. If Musk pushed changes to the current spending bill to benefit himself and/or his cohorts, we would have something to talk about. That's not the case though. This thread is pointless.
TIME TO BRING BACK THE OBAMA CAGES!
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@wallstreetcappers
This thread isn't about how Elon Musk amassed his fortune though. It's about his perceived influence on policy. Again, my question is, "What exactly has he influenced, and how does he benefited from said influence?
This thread is just the latest left hyperbolic conjecture. What value does this thread add? Is it something to be debated? The OP is correct in that this country has been a corporate oligarchy for some time. This is true regardless of what party is in power. If the OP pointed to a specific item of legislation, specific policy, that benefits Elon Musk and/or his ilk, and then drew a durect line correlating Musk and said policy, then the thread would be saying something. If Musk pushed changes to the current spending bill to benefit himself and/or his cohorts, we would have something to talk about. That's not the case though. This thread is pointless.
@StumpTownStu Trump is still 30 days from taking office and already the sky is falling. Talk is cheap, let's see what gets done and then complain or applaud.
Exactly. All i've heard is, "He's going to target his enemies! He's going to target the press! Elon Musk is running the country! The sky is falling!!!"
Let's see. The man hasn't taken office. Let's see something before making panic threads.
TIME TO BRING BACK THE OBAMA CAGES!
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
@StumpTownStu Trump is still 30 days from taking office and already the sky is falling. Talk is cheap, let's see what gets done and then complain or applaud.
Exactly. All i've heard is, "He's going to target his enemies! He's going to target the press! Elon Musk is running the country! The sky is falling!!!"
Let's see. The man hasn't taken office. Let's see something before making panic threads.
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