These refugees erode the nation's strength economically and environmentally, and help to fragment society into different stratified segments (subcultures). These refugees want houses, cars and opportunities that we have. They figure they will never have these things in their own countries, so they cross the border to get them. They do not have any right to cross over and take from people here legally.
the largest EMERGENCY: FENTANYL. There is enough fentanyl to kill our entire population being smuggled across the border. They have seized such amounts already. THIS IS AN EMERGENCY situation, and it is a form of chemical warfare. The enemy is not armed so conventional armies do not work. The wall would prevent open smuggling areas, and assist the border patrol in preventing fentanyl (ane many other drugs) from filtering past known open border areas.
Keyelement is right. Pentagon doesn't recognize southern border as a national security priority. US and Mexico aren't at war. Dubious to claim invasion by common caravans consisting of unarmed families with children walking by foot for weeks. Trump uses military as a political stunt to mislead the public. Waste of taxpayers money because troops can only do very little. Law limits military to support of border officials. For examples, transportation, medical care or repair of fence. Military cannot detain or deport migrants.
Center for global development debunks the myth that immigrants are a drain on US economy. Actually, immigrants help boost economy as consumers and workers. They are less likely than native citizens to use public assistance. In the long term, immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in government benefits. Most economists consider both legal and illegal immigration to be net positive overall for the economy.
One myth is that immigrants are criminals. But studies show immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native citizens according to Cato institute. Cities with higher immigration tend to have lower crime rates. Another myth is that immigrants steal jobs. According to National academy of science, most studies find little effect of immigration on employment of native citizens. Also another myth is that diversity in population undermines social cohesion.
Trump's wall won't stop drug trade according to factcheck.org and Brookings institution. Most drugs are hidden inside vehicles and enter US through official ports with existing barriers. Improved technology would be more effective in detecting drugs.
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Quote Originally Posted by Circus_Bettor:
These refugees erode the nation's strength economically and environmentally, and help to fragment society into different stratified segments (subcultures). These refugees want houses, cars and opportunities that we have. They figure they will never have these things in their own countries, so they cross the border to get them. They do not have any right to cross over and take from people here legally.
the largest EMERGENCY: FENTANYL. There is enough fentanyl to kill our entire population being smuggled across the border. They have seized such amounts already. THIS IS AN EMERGENCY situation, and it is a form of chemical warfare. The enemy is not armed so conventional armies do not work. The wall would prevent open smuggling areas, and assist the border patrol in preventing fentanyl (ane many other drugs) from filtering past known open border areas.
Keyelement is right. Pentagon doesn't recognize southern border as a national security priority. US and Mexico aren't at war. Dubious to claim invasion by common caravans consisting of unarmed families with children walking by foot for weeks. Trump uses military as a political stunt to mislead the public. Waste of taxpayers money because troops can only do very little. Law limits military to support of border officials. For examples, transportation, medical care or repair of fence. Military cannot detain or deport migrants.
Center for global development debunks the myth that immigrants are a drain on US economy. Actually, immigrants help boost economy as consumers and workers. They are less likely than native citizens to use public assistance. In the long term, immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in government benefits. Most economists consider both legal and illegal immigration to be net positive overall for the economy.
One myth is that immigrants are criminals. But studies show immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native citizens according to Cato institute. Cities with higher immigration tend to have lower crime rates. Another myth is that immigrants steal jobs. According to National academy of science, most studies find little effect of immigration on employment of native citizens. Also another myth is that diversity in population undermines social cohesion.
Trump's wall won't stop drug trade according to factcheck.org and Brookings institution. Most drugs are hidden inside vehicles and enter US through official ports with existing barriers. Improved technology would be more effective in detecting drugs.
Circus, most drugs aren't coming across the border based on volume alone. If you think that there's a chance that they are then I don't think you grasp the vast quantity of drugs that actually come to our country from Mexico. Just the cocaine alone, it would take a caravan big enough to show up on satelite images to bring in the coke this country consumes. Drugs come in sea containers and overland truck trailers. There is some that comes by foot across the border. Just enough to put a scare in the already fearful.
TIME TO BRING BACK THE OBAMA CAGES!
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Circus, most drugs aren't coming across the border based on volume alone. If you think that there's a chance that they are then I don't think you grasp the vast quantity of drugs that actually come to our country from Mexico. Just the cocaine alone, it would take a caravan big enough to show up on satelite images to bring in the coke this country consumes. Drugs come in sea containers and overland truck trailers. There is some that comes by foot across the border. Just enough to put a scare in the already fearful.
The point is: If the border is not a military priority for the Commander in Chief, then obviously military funding, for construction or anything else, should not be unilaterally transferred for that specific purpose.
Illegal drug importers, often called criminals (which is correct), are far more ingenious at importing their product than DJT is at stopping it. If he thinks immigrants are hiding it on their persons and their kids back packs he is insane. A team of mules couldn't carry all that is coming in, much leas some desperate immigrants and their kids.
What really irks me is that absolutely NO ONE, including all politicians and the genius element of Trump supporters on Covers, wants to address the ROOT SOURCES of BOTH the illegal immigration and flood of drugs.
The root source of the immigration problem is tyranny and poverty in Latin America.
The root source of the illegal drug problem is that WE, yes, the good old U.S. of A., supply the market for the drugs. No market, no imports; it's just that simple. Products are not shipped to points of sale where no market exists. If you want to sell snow shoes for a living do you open your shop in the Sonoran desert or the Yukon? The market exists and thrives on the streets of the United States, and if there is money to be made, free market capitalists, criminal or any other nature, are going to step in and take advantage of the market.
The drug problem is not the fault of the importers or street vendors. The fault lies with an American populace that has too damn much disposable income and chooses to create a "recreational drug" culture. Also to be blamed are those Americans that believe opioids or any other "high as a kite, feeelin' no pain" drug is a worthy investment.
Good luck, America. Build a wall, abandon the Kurds, get high and don't worry about it.
Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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The point is: If the border is not a military priority for the Commander in Chief, then obviously military funding, for construction or anything else, should not be unilaterally transferred for that specific purpose.
Illegal drug importers, often called criminals (which is correct), are far more ingenious at importing their product than DJT is at stopping it. If he thinks immigrants are hiding it on their persons and their kids back packs he is insane. A team of mules couldn't carry all that is coming in, much leas some desperate immigrants and their kids.
What really irks me is that absolutely NO ONE, including all politicians and the genius element of Trump supporters on Covers, wants to address the ROOT SOURCES of BOTH the illegal immigration and flood of drugs.
The root source of the immigration problem is tyranny and poverty in Latin America.
The root source of the illegal drug problem is that WE, yes, the good old U.S. of A., supply the market for the drugs. No market, no imports; it's just that simple. Products are not shipped to points of sale where no market exists. If you want to sell snow shoes for a living do you open your shop in the Sonoran desert or the Yukon? The market exists and thrives on the streets of the United States, and if there is money to be made, free market capitalists, criminal or any other nature, are going to step in and take advantage of the market.
The drug problem is not the fault of the importers or street vendors. The fault lies with an American populace that has too damn much disposable income and chooses to create a "recreational drug" culture. Also to be blamed are those Americans that believe opioids or any other "high as a kite, feeelin' no pain" drug is a worthy investment.
Good luck, America. Build a wall, abandon the Kurds, get high and don't worry about it.
Rudy's partners: arrested Cohen: 3 yrs in prison Manafort: 4 yrs in prison Stone: in deep kimchi Flynn: awaiting sentencing Congressman-1: so farked Individual-1: facing impeachment Hillary: enjoying a nice walk in the woods. Me: laughing at all you "lock her up" morons
You Can't Make This Stuff Up!
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Rudy's partners: arrested Cohen: 3 yrs in prison Manafort: 4 yrs in prison Stone: in deep kimchi Flynn: awaiting sentencing Congressman-1: so farked Individual-1: facing impeachment Hillary: enjoying a nice walk in the woods. Me: laughing at all you "lock her up" morons
Fact checking by Associated press has exposed more dubious claims. Trump prematurely declares a trade deal with China. Although there is a truce in the trade war, this tentative deal is only in principle. No documents have been signed. A final deal might still fail. Many details remain to be worked on according to American enterprise institute. Threats of escalation still hang over both countries. Afterall, USMCA still hasn't been ratified by all 3 countries.
Trump claims median household income rose $161 per month during his term. Whereas income rose $11 monthly under Obama. Trump is lucky to inherit a strong economy while Obama inherited the worse recession since the great depression. According to Census bureau, income increased by $58 a month in 2018. After 2012, income rose $122 per month as US economy recovers from recession. That is more than double the income growth in Trump's first 2 years.
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Fact checking by Associated press has exposed more dubious claims. Trump prematurely declares a trade deal with China. Although there is a truce in the trade war, this tentative deal is only in principle. No documents have been signed. A final deal might still fail. Many details remain to be worked on according to American enterprise institute. Threats of escalation still hang over both countries. Afterall, USMCA still hasn't been ratified by all 3 countries.
Trump claims median household income rose $161 per month during his term. Whereas income rose $11 monthly under Obama. Trump is lucky to inherit a strong economy while Obama inherited the worse recession since the great depression. According to Census bureau, income increased by $58 a month in 2018. After 2012, income rose $122 per month as US economy recovers from recession. That is more than double the income growth in Trump's first 2 years.
Fact checking by Associated press has exposed more dubious claims. Trump prematurely declares a trade deal with China. Although there is a truce in the trade war, this tentative deal is only in principle. No documents have been signed. A final deal might still fail. Many details remain to be worked on according to American enterprise institute. Threats of escalation still hang over both countries. Afterall, USMCA still hasn't been ratified by all 3 countries.
Trump claims median household income rose $161 per month during his term. Whereas income rose $11 monthly under Obama. Trump is lucky to inherit a strong economy while Obama inherited the worse recession since the great depression. According to Census bureau, income increased by $58 a month in 2018. After 2012, income rose $122 per month as US economy recovers from recession. That is more than double the income growth in Trump's first 2 years.
Obama didn't inherit anything he knew the state of the economy ...when he bid on the job..
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Fact checking by Associated press has exposed more dubious claims. Trump prematurely declares a trade deal with China. Although there is a truce in the trade war, this tentative deal is only in principle. No documents have been signed. A final deal might still fail. Many details remain to be worked on according to American enterprise institute. Threats of escalation still hang over both countries. Afterall, USMCA still hasn't been ratified by all 3 countries.
Trump claims median household income rose $161 per month during his term. Whereas income rose $11 monthly under Obama. Trump is lucky to inherit a strong economy while Obama inherited the worse recession since the great depression. According to Census bureau, income increased by $58 a month in 2018. After 2012, income rose $122 per month as US economy recovers from recession. That is more than double the income growth in Trump's first 2 years.
Obama didn't inherit anything he knew the state of the economy ...when he bid on the job..
How does anyone know for a fact that "most drugs are hidden indside vehicles...entering through official ports (of entry)?" EXAMPLE 2:
"Also another myth is that diversity in population undermines social cohesion. "
80-90% of drugs are caught hidden inside vehicles at legal crossing ports according to US customs & border patrol and US drug administration. Actually, harder to smuggle drugs between ports.
Claiming that diversity harms social cohesion is a flawed argument against immigration. According to Bloomberg, diversity doesn't necessarily reduce social cohesion. For example, diverse countries such as Canada and Australia score higher in trust than homogeneous countries such as Korea and Russia. Many research studies reach mixed conclusions. But diversity can be beneficial in that living with people of other races help to reduce racial tension and adapt better in a multicultural world.
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Quote Originally Posted by Circus_Bettor:
How does anyone know for a fact that "most drugs are hidden indside vehicles...entering through official ports (of entry)?" EXAMPLE 2:
"Also another myth is that diversity in population undermines social cohesion. "
80-90% of drugs are caught hidden inside vehicles at legal crossing ports according to US customs & border patrol and US drug administration. Actually, harder to smuggle drugs between ports.
Claiming that diversity harms social cohesion is a flawed argument against immigration. According to Bloomberg, diversity doesn't necessarily reduce social cohesion. For example, diverse countries such as Canada and Australia score higher in trust than homogeneous countries such as Korea and Russia. Many research studies reach mixed conclusions. But diversity can be beneficial in that living with people of other races help to reduce racial tension and adapt better in a multicultural world.
Fact checking by Associated press has exposed more dubious claims. Trump prematurely declares a trade deal with China. Although there is a truce in the trade war, this tentative deal is only in principle. No documents have been signed. A final deal might still fail. Many details remain to be worked on according to American enterprise institute. Threats of escalation still hang over both countries. Afterall, USMCA still hasn't been ratified by all 3 countries.Trump claims median household income rose $161 per month during his term. Whereas income rose $11 monthly under Obama. Trump is lucky to inherit a strong economy while Obama inherited the worse recession since the great depression. According to Census bureau, income increased by $58 a month in 2018. After 2012, income rose $122 per month as US economy recovers from recession. That is more than double the income growth in Trump's first 2 years.
Obama didn't inherit anything he knew the state of the economy ...when he bid on the job..
OH! So sorry Slim, but the economy tanked just a few weeks before the election. His campaign and nomination of 2008 were already carved in stone. Good old "Dubya" even had the candidates into the White House to explain how bad it really was so they could campaign accordingly.
Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Fact checking by Associated press has exposed more dubious claims. Trump prematurely declares a trade deal with China. Although there is a truce in the trade war, this tentative deal is only in principle. No documents have been signed. A final deal might still fail. Many details remain to be worked on according to American enterprise institute. Threats of escalation still hang over both countries. Afterall, USMCA still hasn't been ratified by all 3 countries.Trump claims median household income rose $161 per month during his term. Whereas income rose $11 monthly under Obama. Trump is lucky to inherit a strong economy while Obama inherited the worse recession since the great depression. According to Census bureau, income increased by $58 a month in 2018. After 2012, income rose $122 per month as US economy recovers from recession. That is more than double the income growth in Trump's first 2 years.
Obama didn't inherit anything he knew the state of the economy ...when he bid on the job..
OH! So sorry Slim, but the economy tanked just a few weeks before the election. His campaign and nomination of 2008 were already carved in stone. Good old "Dubya" even had the candidates into the White House to explain how bad it really was so they could campaign accordingly.
Senator Barack Obama was elected president of the United States On November 4, 2008..
What happened weeks before the 2008 election was both houses of Congress passed the $700 billion bailout plan...
The 2007 Housing Market Crash was a year earlier ...not weeks before the 2008 Election ...in fact it was in August 2007 when worldwide credit crunch began and there were no subprime loans
available. Subprime lender American Home Mortgage files for bankruptcy.
This marked the start of the housing market crash..
Obama knew the state of the economy before the 2008 Democratic Party presidential primaries....he hadn't beat out Hillary, at that point in time..
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Senator Barack Obama was elected president of the United States On November 4, 2008..
What happened weeks before the 2008 election was both houses of Congress passed the $700 billion bailout plan...
The 2007 Housing Market Crash was a year earlier ...not weeks before the 2008 Election ...in fact it was in August 2007 when worldwide credit crunch began and there were no subprime loans
available. Subprime lender American Home Mortgage files for bankruptcy.
This marked the start of the housing market crash..
Obama knew the state of the economy before the 2008 Democratic Party presidential primaries....he hadn't beat out Hillary, at that point in time..
Maybe fmr. Pompeo adviser Micheal McKinle will be a true patriot like Gordon Sondland the U.S. ambassador to the EU who told William Taylor,
our ambassador to Ukraine, that there was no quid pro quo involved in
connection with Ukraine investigating the Bidens.
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Maybe fmr. Pompeo adviser Micheal McKinle will be a true patriot like Gordon Sondland the U.S. ambassador to the EU who told William Taylor,
our ambassador to Ukraine, that there was no quid pro quo involved in
connection with Ukraine investigating the Bidens.
Maybe fmr. Pompeo adviser Micheal McKinle will be a true patriot like Gordon Sondland the U.S. ambassador to the EU who told William Taylor, our ambassador to Ukraine, that there was no quid pro quo involved in connection with Ukraine investigating the Bidens.
Slim..I believe you are a little behind regarding hotel baron Sondland.
This week Sondland will admit that your boy directed him to say there was no quid pro quo even though it is now obvious it was exactly that. I read the transcript as I'm sure you have. It's pretty plain to me.
Sondland will try to save his butt in the hearing this week but he was complicit in the whole plan to gather dirt.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
Maybe fmr. Pompeo adviser Micheal McKinle will be a true patriot like Gordon Sondland the U.S. ambassador to the EU who told William Taylor, our ambassador to Ukraine, that there was no quid pro quo involved in connection with Ukraine investigating the Bidens.
Slim..I believe you are a little behind regarding hotel baron Sondland.
This week Sondland will admit that your boy directed him to say there was no quid pro quo even though it is now obvious it was exactly that. I read the transcript as I'm sure you have. It's pretty plain to me.
Sondland will try to save his butt in the hearing this week but he was complicit in the whole plan to gather dirt.
President Donald Trump is keeping his
campaign pledge to shrink the federal bureaucracy and bringing the workforce down to
levels not seen in decades... Trump administration has decreased permanent staff at all cabinet-level departments...
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President Donald Trump is keeping his
campaign pledge to shrink the federal bureaucracy and bringing the workforce down to
levels not seen in decades... Trump administration has decreased permanent staff at all cabinet-level departments...
President Donald Trump is keeping his campaign pledge to shrink the federal bureaucracy and bringing the workforce down to levels not seen in decades... Trump administration has decreased permanent staff at all cabinet-level departments...
How is your wall coming along?
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
President Donald Trump is keeping his campaign pledge to shrink the federal bureaucracy and bringing the workforce down to levels not seen in decades... Trump administration has decreased permanent staff at all cabinet-level departments...
Not my wall Midnight1..I have never called for a wall..walls can be breached over under or through .....I'm for alligator moats and gun towers ..
I'm not gonna front, if alligator moats and gun towers don't sound awesome to you, show tunes are probably more to your liking.
I think it'd be cool if we could get some bears are some wolves involved. Like if you make it past the moat with the gators, and you think you're home free....Nope! There goes a bear!
This isn't sarcasm.
TIME TO BRING BACK THE OBAMA CAGES!
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
How is your wall coming along?
Not my wall Midnight1..I have never called for a wall..walls can be breached over under or through .....I'm for alligator moats and gun towers ..
I'm not gonna front, if alligator moats and gun towers don't sound awesome to you, show tunes are probably more to your liking.
I think it'd be cool if we could get some bears are some wolves involved. Like if you make it past the moat with the gators, and you think you're home free....Nope! There goes a bear!
The 700B bailout was after the total collapse. Until then Bush and friends were able to hide the eventual result, calling it a slight recession, but nothing we couldn't handle. They had hoped that would work and result in another Republican victory, although they knew it was coming. Unfortunately (for them) the full realization could not be stalled that long. Remarkable Obama made as many gains as he did with a hostile congress. Now, DJT is playing the same old game, with a false prosperity that can not last. Trillion dollar deficits with no end in sight. He is stacking personal wealth, the country is stacking unsustainable debt. Good luck with that.
Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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The 700B bailout was after the total collapse. Until then Bush and friends were able to hide the eventual result, calling it a slight recession, but nothing we couldn't handle. They had hoped that would work and result in another Republican victory, although they knew it was coming. Unfortunately (for them) the full realization could not be stalled that long. Remarkable Obama made as many gains as he did with a hostile congress. Now, DJT is playing the same old game, with a false prosperity that can not last. Trillion dollar deficits with no end in sight. He is stacking personal wealth, the country is stacking unsustainable debt. Good luck with that.
The 700B bailout was after the total collapse. Until then Bush and friends were able to hide the eventual result, calling it a slight recession, but nothing we couldn't handle. They had hoped that would work and result in another Republican victory, although they knew it was coming. Unfortunately (for them) the full realization could not be stalled that long. Remarkable Obama made as many gains as he did with a hostile congress. Now, DJT is playing the same old game, with a false prosperity that can not last. Trillion dollar deficits with no end in sight. He is stacking personal wealth, the country is stacking unsustainable debt. Good luck with that.
The last time anyone took a Bush seriously, they wandered in the desert for 40 years.
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Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:
The 700B bailout was after the total collapse. Until then Bush and friends were able to hide the eventual result, calling it a slight recession, but nothing we couldn't handle. They had hoped that would work and result in another Republican victory, although they knew it was coming. Unfortunately (for them) the full realization could not be stalled that long. Remarkable Obama made as many gains as he did with a hostile congress. Now, DJT is playing the same old game, with a false prosperity that can not last. Trillion dollar deficits with no end in sight. He is stacking personal wealth, the country is stacking unsustainable debt. Good luck with that.
The last time anyone took a Bush seriously, they wandered in the desert for 40 years.
Not my wall Midnight1..I have never called for a wall..walls can be breached over under or through .....I'm for alligator moats and gun towers ..
I'm not gonna front, if alligator moats and gun towers don't sound awesome to you, show tunes are probably more to your liking. I think it'd be cool if we could get some bears are some wolves involved. Like if you make it past the moat with the gators, and you think you're home free....Nope! There goes a bear! This isn't sarcasm.
Hey..I love Phantom of the Opera. Don't knock it until you try it.
Why not add the White Walkers to your defense plan?
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
How is your wall coming along?
Not my wall Midnight1..I have never called for a wall..walls can be breached over under or through .....I'm for alligator moats and gun towers ..
I'm not gonna front, if alligator moats and gun towers don't sound awesome to you, show tunes are probably more to your liking. I think it'd be cool if we could get some bears are some wolves involved. Like if you make it past the moat with the gators, and you think you're home free....Nope! There goes a bear! This isn't sarcasm.
Hey..I love Phantom of the Opera. Don't knock it until you try it.
Why not add the White Walkers to your defense plan?
Not my wall Midnight1..I have never called for a wall..walls can be breached over under or through .....I'm for alligator moats and gun towers ..
I'm not gonna front, if alligator moats and gun towers don't sound awesome to you, show tunes are probably more to your liking. I think it'd be cool if we could get some bears are some wolves involved. Like if you make it past the moat with the gators, and you think you're home free....Nope! There goes a bear! This isn't sarcasm.
If it is not sarcasm, exactly how do you build a moat over mountains? Unless Donnie is a better physicist than all in history to date, water will seek it's own level. Do we also build locks, like the Panama Canal, thereby also isolating the alligators that will have to be fed at an enormous cost? Those poor beasts can probably not survive a mountain winter anyway, unless of course, we also heat the water for their survival. Bears and wolves currently do not reside there either, because they lack a source of food, so we have that expense. The moat and alligator theory could only emerge from a dysfunctional mind and warped sense of reality, defying physics and natural law. And you still don't eliminate the wall, or at least a high fence, because you have to contain the beasts. Speaking of sarcasm..........
Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
How is your wall coming along?
Not my wall Midnight1..I have never called for a wall..walls can be breached over under or through .....I'm for alligator moats and gun towers ..
I'm not gonna front, if alligator moats and gun towers don't sound awesome to you, show tunes are probably more to your liking. I think it'd be cool if we could get some bears are some wolves involved. Like if you make it past the moat with the gators, and you think you're home free....Nope! There goes a bear! This isn't sarcasm.
If it is not sarcasm, exactly how do you build a moat over mountains? Unless Donnie is a better physicist than all in history to date, water will seek it's own level. Do we also build locks, like the Panama Canal, thereby also isolating the alligators that will have to be fed at an enormous cost? Those poor beasts can probably not survive a mountain winter anyway, unless of course, we also heat the water for their survival. Bears and wolves currently do not reside there either, because they lack a source of food, so we have that expense. The moat and alligator theory could only emerge from a dysfunctional mind and warped sense of reality, defying physics and natural law. And you still don't eliminate the wall, or at least a high fence, because you have to contain the beasts. Speaking of sarcasm..........
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