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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2019 - 10:30 PM ET #126

    Trump is to blame for humanitarian crisis by eroding asylum protections and incarcerating as many immigrants as possible under zero tolerance policy.  By limiting  the legal right to request asylum, waiting can take months or years.   Tragic photo of dead father and daughter is proof that the system is broken.  If they had been allowed to request asylum at an US port of entry, they might still be alive today.  Instead they face desperate conditions that can lead to death.

    Asylum officers union has asked a federal court to oppose sending migrants back to Mexico.  Trump's policy violates morals plus US and international laws. 


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    Trump is to blame for humanitarian crisis by eroding asylum protections and incarcerating as many immigrants as possible under zero tolerance policy.  By limiting  the legal right to request asylum, waiting can take months or years.   Tragic photo of dead father and daughter is proof that the system is broken.  If they had been allowed to request asylum at an US port of entry, they might still be alive today.  Instead they face desperate conditions that can lead to death.

    Asylum officers union has asked a federal court to oppose sending migrants back to Mexico.  Trump's policy violates morals plus US and international laws. 


     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2019 - 11:04 PM ET #127

    Trump administration is responsible for the mistreatment of migrant children at southern border.   Crude zero tolerance policy resulted in thousands of children separated from families.  After public outcry and court order, reuniting children with families remain a struggle. In contrast, separations are uncommon and families are detained together during Obama's terms. 

    Unsafe and unsanitary conditions in detention facilities  are comparable to concentration camps according to historians.  Trump tries to deflect blame.   But congress did support more funding to help immigrants.   However Trump cannot be trusted to spend money.  His preference is for an unncessary border wall when extensive barriers are already build by Bush and Obama administrations.  Acting head of customs and border patrol has resigned amid uproar over concentration camps for children.
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    Trump administration is responsible for the mistreatment of migrant children at southern border.   Crude zero tolerance policy resulted in thousands of children separated from families.  After public outcry and court order, reuniting children with families remain a struggle. In contrast, separations are uncommon and families are detained together during Obama's terms. 

    Unsafe and unsanitary conditions in detention facilities  are comparable to concentration camps according to historians.  Trump tries to deflect blame.   But congress did support more funding to help immigrants.   However Trump cannot be trusted to spend money.  His preference is for an unncessary border wall when extensive barriers are already build by Bush and Obama administrations.  Acting head of customs and border patrol has resigned amid uproar over concentration camps for children.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2019 - 12:10 AM ET #128

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Trump is to blame for humanitarian crisis by eroding asylum protections and incarcerating as many immigrants as possible under zero tolerance policy.  By limiting  the legal right to request asylum, waiting can take months or years.   Tragic photo of dead father and daughter is proof that the system is broken.  If they had been allowed to request asylum at an US port of entry, they might still be alive today.  Instead they face desperate conditions that can lead to death.



    The bodies of these two persons ..a man and a child ( the child presumed to be his daughter ) were discovered Monday morning on the bank of the Rio Bravo river near Matamoros, Mexico, across from Brownsville, Texas..on the Mexico side of the border.

    Who knows ..how they died?  An under payed coyote,,the Mexican drug cartel could have killed them..

    Now, the left want to blame President Trump for not having lifeguards stationed every 100 yards along the Rio Grande river..when in reality.. it appears.. it's probably a case of someone who "acted stupidly"..
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Trump is to blame for humanitarian crisis by eroding asylum protections and incarcerating as many immigrants as possible under zero tolerance policy.  By limiting  the legal right to request asylum, waiting can take months or years.   Tragic photo of dead father and daughter is proof that the system is broken.  If they had been allowed to request asylum at an US port of entry, they might still be alive today.  Instead they face desperate conditions that can lead to death.



    The bodies of these two persons ..a man and a child ( the child presumed to be his daughter ) were discovered Monday morning on the bank of the Rio Bravo river near Matamoros, Mexico, across from Brownsville, Texas..on the Mexico side of the border.

    Who knows ..how they died?  An under payed coyote,,the Mexican drug cartel could have killed them..

    Now, the left want to blame President Trump for not having lifeguards stationed every 100 yards along the Rio Grande river..when in reality.. it appears.. it's probably a case of someone who "acted stupidly"..
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2019 - 12:55 AM ET #129

    My wife showed me that picture. I said it looked staged. I know that sounds insensitive and it's not meant to be. I'm not speaking to issue, or the politics behind it. I'm saying that the picture itself looks staged. What circumstances could lead to two people dying at the same time in that position? How does that come to pass? "They drowned." Well how did it come to pass that they were positioned how they were. Drowning is a violent, thrashing death. They wouldn't be positioned in that way. If they drowned somewhere else, and washed ashore, they wouldn't be positioned like that. The whole thing sounds suspect.

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    My wife showed me that picture. I said it looked staged. I know that sounds insensitive and it's not meant to be. I'm not speaking to issue, or the politics behind it. I'm saying that the picture itself looks staged. What circumstances could lead to two people dying at the same time in that position? How does that come to pass? "They drowned." Well how did it come to pass that they were positioned how they were. Drowning is a violent, thrashing death. They wouldn't be positioned in that way. If they drowned somewhere else, and washed ashore, they wouldn't be positioned like that. The whole thing sounds suspect.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2019 - 12:58 AM ET #130

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    The drowned man was Óscar Alberto Martínez Ramírez who decided to swim across the Rio Grande river Sunday after traveling from El Salvador and becoming “frustrated” when he had to wait to present himself and his young daughter, Valeria, to U.S. authorities at the southern border...

    Europa,please answer me this ....

    Why is it this administrations fault ?

    Because, this illegal alien was too impatient to wait his turn to present himself and daughter to U.S.border agents..and was stupid enough to attempt to forge the Rio Grande Rive with his two year old in tow..how is this somehow,,, in anyway related to the treatment of kids in the detention center?

    Why can't you understand this? Trump administration owns the executive branch, he and his administration will take the blame of the tragedy. Vice versa, Dems will have to take the blame if they own the executive branch. Donald J Trump has always blamed others for any faults, acts like a man and takes the responsibility for this country. Don't run the Office if you're a candy-azz. 

    Responsibility of governing, it's ain't piece of cake, it's a tough, very tough job.         
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    The drowned man was Óscar Alberto Martínez Ramírez who decided to swim across the Rio Grande river Sunday after traveling from El Salvador and becoming “frustrated” when he had to wait to present himself and his young daughter, Valeria, to U.S. authorities at the southern border...

    Europa,please answer me this ....

    Why is it this administrations fault ?

    Because, this illegal alien was too impatient to wait his turn to present himself and daughter to U.S.border agents..and was stupid enough to attempt to forge the Rio Grande Rive with his two year old in tow..how is this somehow,,, in anyway related to the treatment of kids in the detention center?

    Why can't you understand this? Trump administration owns the executive branch, he and his administration will take the blame of the tragedy. Vice versa, Dems will have to take the blame if they own the executive branch. Donald J Trump has always blamed others for any faults, acts like a man and takes the responsibility for this country. Don't run the Office if you're a candy-azz. 

    Responsibility of governing, it's ain't piece of cake, it's a tough, very tough job.         
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2019 - 1:03 AM ET #131

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    My wife showed me that picture. I said it looked staged. I know that sounds insensitive and it's not meant to be. I'm not speaking to issue, or the politics behind it. I'm saying that the picture itself looks staged. What circumstances could lead to two people dying at the same time in that position? How does that come to pass? "They drowned." Well how did it come to pass that they were positioned how they were. Drowning is a violent, thrashing death. They wouldn't be positioned in that way. If they drowned somewhere else, and washed ashore, they wouldn't be positioned like that. The whole thing sounds suspect.


    You are the first person that expresses it like that, haven't seen any other people seeing that way, not from Dems, GOP or others as far as i could notice.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    My wife showed me that picture. I said it looked staged. I know that sounds insensitive and it's not meant to be. I'm not speaking to issue, or the politics behind it. I'm saying that the picture itself looks staged. What circumstances could lead to two people dying at the same time in that position? How does that come to pass? "They drowned." Well how did it come to pass that they were positioned how they were. Drowning is a violent, thrashing death. They wouldn't be positioned in that way. If they drowned somewhere else, and washed ashore, they wouldn't be positioned like that. The whole thing sounds suspect.


    You are the first person that expresses it like that, haven't seen any other people seeing that way, not from Dems, GOP or others as far as i could notice.  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2019 - 1:30 AM ET #132

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    Why can't you understand this? Trump administration owns the executive branch, he and his administration will take the blame of the tragedy. Vice versa, Dems will have to take the blame if they own the executive branch. Donald J Trump has always blamed others for any faults, acts like a man and takes the responsibility for this country. Don't run the Office if you're a candy-azz. 

    Responsibility of governing, it's ain't piece of cake, it's a tough, very tough job.         

    Why so ?

    It looks like the two died on the Mexican side of the River..Why should the President be responsible for something that happens in another country..  What happens in Mexico stays in Mexico..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    Why can't you understand this? Trump administration owns the executive branch, he and his administration will take the blame of the tragedy. Vice versa, Dems will have to take the blame if they own the executive branch. Donald J Trump has always blamed others for any faults, acts like a man and takes the responsibility for this country. Don't run the Office if you're a candy-azz. 

    Responsibility of governing, it's ain't piece of cake, it's a tough, very tough job.         

    Why so ?

    It looks like the two died on the Mexican side of the River..Why should the President be responsible for something that happens in another country..  What happens in Mexico stays in Mexico..
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2019 - 1:35 AM ET #133

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    Why so ?

    It looks like the two died on the Mexican side of the River..Why should the President be responsible for something that happens in another country..  What happens in Mexico stays in Mexico..

    Not so? Let's see, please stay tuned. Time will tell. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    Why so ?

    It looks like the two died on the Mexican side of the River..Why should the President be responsible for something that happens in another country..  What happens in Mexico stays in Mexico..

    Not so? Let's see, please stay tuned. Time will tell. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2019 - 9:53 AM ET #134

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    My wife showed me that picture. I said it looked staged. I know that sounds insensitive and it's not meant to be. I'm not speaking to issue, or the politics behind it. I'm saying that the picture itself looks staged. What circumstances could lead to two people dying at the same time in that position? How does that come to pass? "They drowned." Well how did it come to pass that they were positioned how they were. Drowning is a violent, thrashing death. They wouldn't be positioned in that way. If they drowned somewhere else, and washed ashore, they wouldn't be positioned like that. The whole thing sounds suspect.
    You are the first person that expresses it like that, haven't seen any other people seeing that way, not from Dems, GOP or others as far as i could notice.

    It came from nothing to do with politics or political affiliation as I don't get caught up in that stuff. My wife showed me the picture and my first thought was, "How is it that two people would expire, at the same time, in that exact position?" It just seems highly unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    My wife showed me that picture. I said it looked staged. I know that sounds insensitive and it's not meant to be. I'm not speaking to issue, or the politics behind it. I'm saying that the picture itself looks staged. What circumstances could lead to two people dying at the same time in that position? How does that come to pass? "They drowned." Well how did it come to pass that they were positioned how they were. Drowning is a violent, thrashing death. They wouldn't be positioned in that way. If they drowned somewhere else, and washed ashore, they wouldn't be positioned like that. The whole thing sounds suspect.
    You are the first person that expresses it like that, haven't seen any other people seeing that way, not from Dems, GOP or others as far as i could notice.

    It came from nothing to do with politics or political affiliation as I don't get caught up in that stuff. My wife showed me the picture and my first thought was, "How is it that two people would expire, at the same time, in that exact position?" It just seems highly unlikely.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2019 - 11:54 AM ET #135

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    My wife showed me that picture. I said it looked staged. I know that sounds insensitive and it's not meant to be. I'm not speaking to issue, or the politics behind it. I'm saying that the picture itself looks staged. What circumstances could lead to two people dying at the same time in that position? How does that come to pass? "They drowned." Well how did it come to pass that they were positioned how they were. Drowning is a violent, thrashing death. They wouldn't be positioned in that way. If they drowned somewhere else, and washed ashore, they wouldn't be positioned like that. The whole thing sounds suspect.
    You are the first person that expresses it like that, haven't seen any other people seeing that way, not from Dems, GOP or others as far as i could notice.
    It came from nothing to do with politics or political affiliation as I don't get caught up in that stuff. My wife showed me the picture and my first thought was, "How is it that two people would expire, at the same time, in that exact position?" It just seems highly unlikely.

    Maybe if you had faith in at least one reputable news source, your suspicion of their death position would make it crystal clear & leave no doubt in your mind how the father & daughter drowned.

    BTW..how is your wall coming along?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    My wife showed me that picture. I said it looked staged. I know that sounds insensitive and it's not meant to be. I'm not speaking to issue, or the politics behind it. I'm saying that the picture itself looks staged. What circumstances could lead to two people dying at the same time in that position? How does that come to pass? "They drowned." Well how did it come to pass that they were positioned how they were. Drowning is a violent, thrashing death. They wouldn't be positioned in that way. If they drowned somewhere else, and washed ashore, they wouldn't be positioned like that. The whole thing sounds suspect.
    You are the first person that expresses it like that, haven't seen any other people seeing that way, not from Dems, GOP or others as far as i could notice.
    It came from nothing to do with politics or political affiliation as I don't get caught up in that stuff. My wife showed me the picture and my first thought was, "How is it that two people would expire, at the same time, in that exact position?" It just seems highly unlikely.

    Maybe if you had faith in at least one reputable news source, your suspicion of their death position would make it crystal clear & leave no doubt in your mind how the father & daughter drowned.

    BTW..how is your wall coming along?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2019 - 1:57 PM ET #136

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    My wife showed me that picture. I said it looked staged. I know that sounds insensitive and it's not meant to be. I'm not speaking to issue, or the politics behind it. I'm saying that the picture itself looks staged. What circumstances could lead to two people dying at the same time in that position? How does that come to pass? "They drowned." Well how did it come to pass that they were positioned how they were. Drowning is a violent, thrashing death. They wouldn't be positioned in that way. If they drowned somewhere else, and washed ashore, they wouldn't be positioned like that. The whole thing sounds suspect.
    You are the first person that expresses it like that, haven't seen any other people seeing that way, not from Dems, GOP or others as far as i could notice.
    It came from nothing to do with politics or political affiliation as I don't get caught up in that stuff. My wife showed me the picture and my first thought was, "How is it that two people would expire, at the same time, in that exact position?" It just seems highly unlikely.
    Maybe if you had faith in at least one reputable news source, your suspicion of their death position would make it crystal clear & leave no doubt in your mind how the father & daughter drowned. BTW..how is your wall coming along?

    Is there a news source reporting details of their death that would explain how they came to rest in that position? Or is it all....

    "Father and daughter drowned. Trump fault. Trump bad."

    I'm not asking as a cynic. I'm asking as someone who admittedly doesn't have the details of this story. As I said above, I was simply shown a picture and my first thought was how unnatural their positioning looked. I don't want to believe there's manipulation at play. I even went over scenarios in my head that could lead to a father and daughter coming to rest like that. Some are possible. None are plausible. So again, rather than commenting of my distrust of the media, maybe provide some of said media that you purport clears all this up.

    And for the record, i'm not a Trump guy. He has some policies I like, some policies I hate. Outside of politics, I think he's a horrible person but within the scope of politics, he's no worse than any of these jokers we allow to run or country/lives. My issue is with people who have become so deeply partisaned that they don't realize that all politicians are shady. They're all screwing us, and we have to take everything they say/do with a grain of salt. The system works best when the people have a healthy dose of distrust/skepticism of the system as a whole. What we have now is a division of people who say, "I completely distrust this side...but I hang on and believe every word of this other side." And then the two sides argue. This is dangerous because while this bickering is taking place nobody is minding the moonshine still. Which means either someone is gonna steal our whiskey, the damn thing is gonna catch fire, or both. And i'm afraid that both are happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    My wife showed me that picture. I said it looked staged. I know that sounds insensitive and it's not meant to be. I'm not speaking to issue, or the politics behind it. I'm saying that the picture itself looks staged. What circumstances could lead to two people dying at the same time in that position? How does that come to pass? "They drowned." Well how did it come to pass that they were positioned how they were. Drowning is a violent, thrashing death. They wouldn't be positioned in that way. If they drowned somewhere else, and washed ashore, they wouldn't be positioned like that. The whole thing sounds suspect.
    You are the first person that expresses it like that, haven't seen any other people seeing that way, not from Dems, GOP or others as far as i could notice.
    It came from nothing to do with politics or political affiliation as I don't get caught up in that stuff. My wife showed me the picture and my first thought was, "How is it that two people would expire, at the same time, in that exact position?" It just seems highly unlikely.
    Maybe if you had faith in at least one reputable news source, your suspicion of their death position would make it crystal clear & leave no doubt in your mind how the father & daughter drowned. BTW..how is your wall coming along?

    Is there a news source reporting details of their death that would explain how they came to rest in that position? Or is it all....

    "Father and daughter drowned. Trump fault. Trump bad."

    I'm not asking as a cynic. I'm asking as someone who admittedly doesn't have the details of this story. As I said above, I was simply shown a picture and my first thought was how unnatural their positioning looked. I don't want to believe there's manipulation at play. I even went over scenarios in my head that could lead to a father and daughter coming to rest like that. Some are possible. None are plausible. So again, rather than commenting of my distrust of the media, maybe provide some of said media that you purport clears all this up.

    And for the record, i'm not a Trump guy. He has some policies I like, some policies I hate. Outside of politics, I think he's a horrible person but within the scope of politics, he's no worse than any of these jokers we allow to run or country/lives. My issue is with people who have become so deeply partisaned that they don't realize that all politicians are shady. They're all screwing us, and we have to take everything they say/do with a grain of salt. The system works best when the people have a healthy dose of distrust/skepticism of the system as a whole. What we have now is a division of people who say, "I completely distrust this side...but I hang on and believe every word of this other side." And then the two sides argue. This is dangerous because while this bickering is taking place nobody is minding the moonshine still. Which means either someone is gonna steal our whiskey, the damn thing is gonna catch fire, or both. And i'm afraid that both are happening.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

     It came from nothing to do with politics or political affiliation as I don't get caught up in that stuff. My wife showed me the picture and my first thought was, "How is it that two people would expire, at the same time, in that exact position?" It just seems highly unlikely.

    Apolitical, certainly. I have surfed the Fox News, and none has come out with the "staged" conjecture over that picture whatsoever. 

    Btw, the original picture of the drowned father and his 23 months daughter is taken by the Associated Press.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

     It came from nothing to do with politics or political affiliation as I don't get caught up in that stuff. My wife showed me the picture and my first thought was, "How is it that two people would expire, at the same time, in that exact position?" It just seems highly unlikely.

    Apolitical, certainly. I have surfed the Fox News, and none has come out with the "staged" conjecture over that picture whatsoever. 

    Btw, the original picture of the drowned father and his 23 months daughter is taken by the Associated Press.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

     It came from nothing to do with politics or political affiliation as I don't get caught up in that stuff. My wife showed me the picture and my first thought was, "How is it that two people would expire, at the same time, in that exact position?" It just seems highly unlikely.
    Apolitical, certainly. I have surfed the Fox News, and none has come out with the "staged" conjecture over that picture whatsoever. Btw, the original picture of the drowned father and his 23 months daughter is taken by the Associated Press.

    And I would hope they wouldn't. That would be completely inappropriate. With that said, I challenge anyone to tell me how two people would come to rest in that position. Again, i couldn't give a f*ck about this political bullsh*t. This has nothing to do with any of that. Simply just an observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

     It came from nothing to do with politics or political affiliation as I don't get caught up in that stuff. My wife showed me the picture and my first thought was, "How is it that two people would expire, at the same time, in that exact position?" It just seems highly unlikely.
    Apolitical, certainly. I have surfed the Fox News, and none has come out with the "staged" conjecture over that picture whatsoever. Btw, the original picture of the drowned father and his 23 months daughter is taken by the Associated Press.

    And I would hope they wouldn't. That would be completely inappropriate. With that said, I challenge anyone to tell me how two people would come to rest in that position. Again, i couldn't give a f*ck about this political bullsh*t. This has nothing to do with any of that. Simply just an observation.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    My wife showed me that picture. I said it looked staged. I know that sounds insensitive and it's not meant to be. I'm not speaking to issue, or the politics behind it. I'm saying that the picture itself looks staged. What circumstances could lead to two people dying at the same time in that position? How does that come to pass? "They drowned." Well how did it come to pass that they were positioned how they were. Drowning is a violent, thrashing death. They wouldn't be positioned in that way. If they drowned somewhere else, and washed ashore, they wouldn't be positioned like that. The whole thing sounds suspect.
    You are the first person that expresses it like that, haven't seen any other people seeing that way, not from Dems, GOP or others as far as i could notice.
    It came from nothing to do with politics or political affiliation as I don't get caught up in that stuff. My wife showed me the picture and my first thought was, "How is it that two people would expire, at the same time, in that exact position?" It just seems highly unlikely.
    Maybe if you had faith in at least one reputable news source, your suspicion of their death position would make it crystal clear & leave no doubt in your mind how the father & daughter drowned. BTW..how is your wall coming along?
    Is there a news source reporting details of their death that would explain how they came to rest in that position? Or is it all.... "Father and daughter drowned. Trump fault. Trump bad." I'm not asking as a cynic. I'm asking as someone who admittedly doesn't have the details of this story. As I said above, I was simply shown a picture and my first thought was how unnatural their positioning looked. I don't want to believe there's manipulation at play. I even went over scenarios in my head that could lead to a father and daughter coming to rest like that. Some are possible. None are plausible. So again, rather than commenting of my distrust of the media, maybe provide some of said media that you purport clears all this up. And for the record, i'm not a Trump guy. He has some policies I like, some policies I hate. Outside of politics, I think he's a horrible person but within the scope of politics, he's no worse than any of these jokers we allow to run or country/lives. My issue is with people who have become so deeply partisaned that they don't realize that all politicians are shady. They're all screwing us, and we have to take everything they say/do with a grain of salt. The system works best when the people have a healthy dose of distrust/skepticism of the system as a whole. What we have now is a division of people who say, "I completely distrust this side...but I hang on and believe every word of this other side." And then the two sides argue. This is dangerous because while this bickering is taking place nobody is minding the moonshine still. Which means either someone is gonna steal our whiskey, the damn thing is gonna catch fire, or both. And i'm afraid that both are happening.

    From everything I've read, the father tucked his daughter under his shirt to keep her as close to him as possible.

    No doubt most politicians are shady. Many come into office with nothing & become millionaires. Joe Biden is a perfect example. When they finally do leave office and become lobbyists, they know which palms are to be greased.

    Dirty dirty dirty

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    My wife showed me that picture. I said it looked staged. I know that sounds insensitive and it's not meant to be. I'm not speaking to issue, or the politics behind it. I'm saying that the picture itself looks staged. What circumstances could lead to two people dying at the same time in that position? How does that come to pass? "They drowned." Well how did it come to pass that they were positioned how they were. Drowning is a violent, thrashing death. They wouldn't be positioned in that way. If they drowned somewhere else, and washed ashore, they wouldn't be positioned like that. The whole thing sounds suspect.
    You are the first person that expresses it like that, haven't seen any other people seeing that way, not from Dems, GOP or others as far as i could notice.
    It came from nothing to do with politics or political affiliation as I don't get caught up in that stuff. My wife showed me the picture and my first thought was, "How is it that two people would expire, at the same time, in that exact position?" It just seems highly unlikely.
    Maybe if you had faith in at least one reputable news source, your suspicion of their death position would make it crystal clear & leave no doubt in your mind how the father & daughter drowned. BTW..how is your wall coming along?
    Is there a news source reporting details of their death that would explain how they came to rest in that position? Or is it all.... "Father and daughter drowned. Trump fault. Trump bad." I'm not asking as a cynic. I'm asking as someone who admittedly doesn't have the details of this story. As I said above, I was simply shown a picture and my first thought was how unnatural their positioning looked. I don't want to believe there's manipulation at play. I even went over scenarios in my head that could lead to a father and daughter coming to rest like that. Some are possible. None are plausible. So again, rather than commenting of my distrust of the media, maybe provide some of said media that you purport clears all this up. And for the record, i'm not a Trump guy. He has some policies I like, some policies I hate. Outside of politics, I think he's a horrible person but within the scope of politics, he's no worse than any of these jokers we allow to run or country/lives. My issue is with people who have become so deeply partisaned that they don't realize that all politicians are shady. They're all screwing us, and we have to take everything they say/do with a grain of salt. The system works best when the people have a healthy dose of distrust/skepticism of the system as a whole. What we have now is a division of people who say, "I completely distrust this side...but I hang on and believe every word of this other side." And then the two sides argue. This is dangerous because while this bickering is taking place nobody is minding the moonshine still. Which means either someone is gonna steal our whiskey, the damn thing is gonna catch fire, or both. And i'm afraid that both are happening.

    From everything I've read, the father tucked his daughter under his shirt to keep her as close to him as possible.

    No doubt most politicians are shady. Many come into office with nothing & become millionaires. Joe Biden is a perfect example. When they finally do leave office and become lobbyists, they know which palms are to be greased.

    Dirty dirty dirty

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    Apolitical, certainly. I have surfed the Fox News, and none has come out with the "staged" conjecture over that picture whatsoever. 

    Btw, the original picture of the drowned father and his 23 months daughter is taken by the Associated Press.  

    Europa, you might want to double check your sources ..I believe you will find out ....saying the AP took the original graphic photos is fake news...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    Apolitical, certainly. I have surfed the Fox News, and none has come out with the "staged" conjecture over that picture whatsoever. 

    Btw, the original picture of the drowned father and his 23 months daughter is taken by the Associated Press.  

    Europa, you might want to double check your sources ..I believe you will find out ....saying the AP took the original graphic photos is fake news...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    Europa, you might want to double check your sources ..I believe you will find out ....saying the AP took the original graphic photos is fake news...

    geesh SarasotaSlim, here is your source,
     
    AP (the Associated Press) has these original photos.

    https://www.apnews.com/2f8422c820104d6eaad9b73d939063a9

    Google search: AP Photo/Julia Le Duc

    Anyone will get those gruesome and saddened photos. Please don't category things that you don't like or believe as all "fake news". This planet still host many and many facts and real facts, not alternative facts.   
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    Europa, you might want to double check your sources ..I believe you will find out ....saying the AP took the original graphic photos is fake news...

    geesh SarasotaSlim, here is your source,
     
    AP (the Associated Press) has these original photos.

    https://www.apnews.com/2f8422c820104d6eaad9b73d939063a9

    Google search: AP Photo/Julia Le Duc

    Anyone will get those gruesome and saddened photos. Please don't category things that you don't like or believe as all "fake news". This planet still host many and many facts and real facts, not alternative facts.   
     
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    Yep, btw this world still hosts many precise truth, thankfully! 
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    Yep, btw this world still hosts many precise truth, thankfully! 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    geesh SarasotaSlim, here is your source,
     
    AP (the Associated Press) has these original photos.

    https://www.apnews.com/2f8422c820104d6eaad9b73d939063a9

    Google search: AP Photo/Julia Le Duc

    Anyone will get those gruesome and saddened photos. Please don't category things that you don't like or believe as all "fake news". This planet still host many and many facts and real facts, not alternative facts.   

    Not so....I did not say the photo was fake...I said the original picture of the drowned was not taken by the Associated Press as you posted..it was fake news..like CNN.  The image first appeared in the Mexican newspaper La Jornada and has since been distributed by The Associated Press..

    Julia Le Duc who took the photos is a Mexican photo journalist based in Matamoros, the Mexican town across the border from Brownsville, Texas. She has covered the American border crisis as a correspondent for La Jornada newpaper.......not AP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    geesh SarasotaSlim, here is your source,
     
    AP (the Associated Press) has these original photos.

    https://www.apnews.com/2f8422c820104d6eaad9b73d939063a9

    Google search: AP Photo/Julia Le Duc

    Anyone will get those gruesome and saddened photos. Please don't category things that you don't like or believe as all "fake news". This planet still host many and many facts and real facts, not alternative facts.   

    Not so....I did not say the photo was fake...I said the original picture of the drowned was not taken by the Associated Press as you posted..it was fake news..like CNN.  The image first appeared in the Mexican newspaper La Jornada and has since been distributed by The Associated Press..

    Julia Le Duc who took the photos is a Mexican photo journalist based in Matamoros, the Mexican town across the border from Brownsville, Texas. She has covered the American border crisis as a correspondent for La Jornada newpaper.......not AP
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    Not so....I did not say the photo was fake...I said the original picture of the drowned was not taken by the Associated Press as you posted..it was fake news..like CNN.  The image first appeared in the Mexican newspaper La Jornada and has since been distributed by The Associated Press..

    Julia Le Duc who took the photos is a Mexican photo journalist based in Matamoros, the Mexican town across the border from Brownsville, Texas. She has covered the American border crisis as a correspondent for La Jornada newpaper.......not AP

    Julia Le Duc/AP is all subtitled under those images. Julia Le Duc took the original photos, and Associated Press (AP) distributes those photos. And i believe AP owns the copyright now.  


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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    Not so....I did not say the photo was fake...I said the original picture of the drowned was not taken by the Associated Press as you posted..it was fake news..like CNN.  The image first appeared in the Mexican newspaper La Jornada and has since been distributed by The Associated Press..

    Julia Le Duc who took the photos is a Mexican photo journalist based in Matamoros, the Mexican town across the border from Brownsville, Texas. She has covered the American border crisis as a correspondent for La Jornada newpaper.......not AP

    Julia Le Duc/AP is all subtitled under those images. Julia Le Duc took the original photos, and Associated Press (AP) distributes those photos. And i believe AP owns the copyright now.  


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    Julia Le Duc/AP is all subtitled under those images. Julia Le Duc took the original photos, and Associated Press (AP) distributes those photos. And i believe AP owns the copyright now. 


    You are probably correct on that..and AP may own the copyright..however the original picture was not taken by the Associated Press. 

    ........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    Julia Le Duc/AP is all subtitled under those images. Julia Le Duc took the original photos, and Associated Press (AP) distributes those photos. And i believe AP owns the copyright now. 


    You are probably correct on that..and AP may own the copyright..however the original picture was not taken by the Associated Press. 

    ........
     
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    Supreme court has wisely blocked Trump administration from adding a question about citizenship to 2020 census.  This is a victory for civil rights groups arguing that controversial question would reduce response rate leaving millions of people left out.  According to Census bureau, inaccurate information could lead to dramatic electoral consequences and federal underfunding. 

    A federal judge has ruled that lawsuit accusing Trump of profiting from presidency can proceed.  Case argues Trump accepts gifts from foreign governments without congress approval.  Unlike prior presidents, Trump declined to divest from his businesses.  This is a victory for legally mandated transparency to ensure presidents are held accountable to constitution and american people.


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    Supreme court has wisely blocked Trump administration from adding a question about citizenship to 2020 census.  This is a victory for civil rights groups arguing that controversial question would reduce response rate leaving millions of people left out.  According to Census bureau, inaccurate information could lead to dramatic electoral consequences and federal underfunding. 

    A federal judge has ruled that lawsuit accusing Trump of profiting from presidency can proceed.  Case argues Trump accepts gifts from foreign governments without congress approval.  Unlike prior presidents, Trump declined to divest from his businesses.  This is a victory for legally mandated transparency to ensure presidents are held accountable to constitution and american people.


     
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    CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — A New Hampshire lawmaker has lost his seat on a legislative committee after shooting a squirrel in his yard and sharing a graphic photo of it on Twitter.

    He should have shot it on 5th Avenue.

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    CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — A New Hampshire lawmaker has lost his seat on a legislative committee after shooting a squirrel in his yard and sharing a graphic photo of it on Twitter.

    He should have shot it on 5th Avenue.

     
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    Trump continues to lose.  Again, a federal judge has blocked federal funds for construction of border wall.  This is a victory for Sierra club and 20 states coalition.  Court decision upholds the basic principle that the president has no right to spend taxpayers money without congress approval.  Despite Trump's bragging of wall progress, there is actually little construction.   Mainly repairs of existing barriers build by Bush and Obama administrations.

    Trump messages could become subject to warning labels from Twitter.  He routinely threaten or abuse people and incite violence.  But hate speech is never in the public interest.  So far right extremists are being banned from google, facebook and other websites. Without evidence, Trump claims social media is biased against him. 
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    Trump continues to lose.  Again, a federal judge has blocked federal funds for construction of border wall.  This is a victory for Sierra club and 20 states coalition.  Court decision upholds the basic principle that the president has no right to spend taxpayers money without congress approval.  Despite Trump's bragging of wall progress, there is actually little construction.   Mainly repairs of existing barriers build by Bush and Obama administrations.

    Trump messages could become subject to warning labels from Twitter.  He routinely threaten or abuse people and incite violence.  But hate speech is never in the public interest.  So far right extremists are being banned from google, facebook and other websites. Without evidence, Trump claims social media is biased against him. 
     
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    Asked again about busing, Trump says: "It has been something that they've done for a long period of time. There aren't that many ways of getting people to schools."

    He is one ignorant farker. His base doesn't care about how dumb he is because it's in their comfort zone.

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    Asked again about busing, Trump says: "It has been something that they've done for a long period of time. There aren't that many ways of getting people to schools."

    He is one ignorant farker. His base doesn't care about how dumb he is because it's in their comfort zone.

     
     
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    Trump, standing next to Turkish President Erdogan, on trade with Turkey: “And look at these people, how nice they are. Look at them. They're so easy to deal with. Look at them. Central casting. There's no Hollywood set where you could produce people that look like them.”

    WTF????

    He has no clue what an absolute idiot he looks like when he makes moronic comments like this.

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    Trump, standing next to Turkish President Erdogan, on trade with Turkey: “And look at these people, how nice they are. Look at them. They're so easy to deal with. Look at them. Central casting. There's no Hollywood set where you could produce people that look like them.”

    WTF????

    He has no clue what an absolute idiot he looks like when he makes moronic comments like this.

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