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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2020 - 8:26 PM ET #26

    If anything, the opposite could be true.  We need to lock up even more people.  Look at the repeat offender rates and recidivism rates.  

    Need to get to the actual root of the problem. Why are more of a certain race tending towards crime, especially violent crime.   That is what needs to be addressed before the fact, not after the fact.  

    The Liberal welfare policies have ‘forced’ this behavior on our society.  Now no one wants to address it.  They want to try to bandaid it.  That will never work.  

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    If anything, the opposite could be true.  We need to lock up even more people.  Look at the repeat offender rates and recidivism rates.  

    Need to get to the actual root of the problem. Why are more of a certain race tending towards crime, especially violent crime.   That is what needs to be addressed before the fact, not after the fact.  

    The Liberal welfare policies have ‘forced’ this behavior on our society.  Now no one wants to address it.  They want to try to bandaid it.  That will never work.  

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2020 - 8:33 PM ET #27

    As president, Joe Biden will strengthen America’s commitment to justice and reform our criminal justice system. 

    The Biden Plan for Strengthening America’s Commitment to Justice is based on several core principles:

    • We can and must reduce the number of people incarcerated in this country while also reducing crime. No one should be incarcerated for drug use alone. Instead, they should be diverted to drug courts and treatment. Reducing the number of incarcerated individuals will reduce federal spending on incarceration. These savings should be reinvested in the communities impacted by mass incarceration.
    • Our criminal justice system cannot be just unless we root out the racial, gender, and income-based disparities in the system. Black mothers and fathers should feel confident that their children are safe walking the streets of America. And, when a police officer pins on that shield and walks out the door, the officer’s family should know they’ll come home at the end of the day. Additionally, women and children are uniquely impacted by the criminal justice system, and the system needs to address their unique needs.
    • Our criminal justice system must be focused on redemption and rehabilitation. Making sure formerly incarcerated individuals have the opportunity to be productive members
    • Source Joe Biden.

     

    This is just generic platitudes to make folks think he can/would try to fix this very, very complex problem(s). 

    But notice that there is absolutely no definite plan with exact details about what he would do, or even could try.  

    What would he do?  From a committee to investigate and then try to implement more politically-correct welfare policies?  

    He has no clue what to do.  

    Trump does.  He has done more than anyone else, by far.  Just by simply giving us jobs and a chance to have self-esteem and self-worth and a chance to live a decent life.  Look at the black unemployment numbers before the pandemic started. Look at the positivity polls.  Democrats have not clue how to do that sort of thing.  Then they get mad/jealous when they see the complete opposite of what they want to do is actually working. Very sad and shameful to me. 

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    As president, Joe Biden will strengthen America’s commitment to justice and reform our criminal justice system. 

    The Biden Plan for Strengthening America’s Commitment to Justice is based on several core principles:

    • We can and must reduce the number of people incarcerated in this country while also reducing crime. No one should be incarcerated for drug use alone. Instead, they should be diverted to drug courts and treatment. Reducing the number of incarcerated individuals will reduce federal spending on incarceration. These savings should be reinvested in the communities impacted by mass incarceration.
    • Our criminal justice system cannot be just unless we root out the racial, gender, and income-based disparities in the system. Black mothers and fathers should feel confident that their children are safe walking the streets of America. And, when a police officer pins on that shield and walks out the door, the officer’s family should know they’ll come home at the end of the day. Additionally, women and children are uniquely impacted by the criminal justice system, and the system needs to address their unique needs.
    • Our criminal justice system must be focused on redemption and rehabilitation. Making sure formerly incarcerated individuals have the opportunity to be productive members
    • Source Joe Biden.

     

    This is just generic platitudes to make folks think he can/would try to fix this very, very complex problem(s). 

    But notice that there is absolutely no definite plan with exact details about what he would do, or even could try.  

    What would he do?  From a committee to investigate and then try to implement more politically-correct welfare policies?  

    He has no clue what to do.  

    Trump does.  He has done more than anyone else, by far.  Just by simply giving us jobs and a chance to have self-esteem and self-worth and a chance to live a decent life.  Look at the black unemployment numbers before the pandemic started. Look at the positivity polls.  Democrats have not clue how to do that sort of thing.  Then they get mad/jealous when they see the complete opposite of what they want to do is actually working. Very sad and shameful to me. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2020 - 9:18 PM ET #28

    Yep. Prior to the China virus, Trump had all classes (low, middle and upper middle) working and making more money and keeping more money in their pockets than ever before. 

    Also, thanks to our growing independence in energy, we are now paying the lowest prices for gas in well over a decade. That's a huge tax cut that helps the lower and lower middle classes even more than those with more disposable income.

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    Yep. Prior to the China virus, Trump had all classes (low, middle and upper middle) working and making more money and keeping more money in their pockets than ever before. 

    Also, thanks to our growing independence in energy, we are now paying the lowest prices for gas in well over a decade. That's a huge tax cut that helps the lower and lower middle classes even more than those with more disposable income.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 4:53 AM ET #29

    Criminal Justice reform.

    Biden Harris plan can be. Found

    https://joebiden.com/justice/.

    End private prisons. Legalize marijuana end mandatory minimums provite vocational training housing . utilize clemency for drug only offenses.

    End cash bail. Decriminalize poverty. Increase funding for mental illness and substance abuse. Invest in legal aid for indecency. Decrease prison populations by 50 percent.

    This is the Democratic platform. 

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    Criminal Justice reform.

    Biden Harris plan can be. Found

    https://joebiden.com/justice/.

    End private prisons. Legalize marijuana end mandatory minimums provite vocational training housing . utilize clemency for drug only offenses.

    End cash bail. Decriminalize poverty. Increase funding for mental illness and substance abuse. Invest in legal aid for indecency. Decrease prison populations by 50 percent.

    This is the Democratic platform. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 4:56 AM ET #30

    .End the criminalization of poverty.
    End cash bail: Cash bail is the modern-day debtors’ prison. The cash bail system incarcerates people who are presumed innocent. And, it disproportionately harms low-income individuals. Biden will lead a national effort to end cash bail and reform our pretrial system by putting in place, instead, a system that is fair and does not inject further discrimination or bias into the process.
    Stop jailing people for being too poor to pay fines and fees: Some people end up unable to escape our justice system because of the very fines and fees that the system levies. Biden will use the grantmaking power of the federal government to incentivize the end of policies that incarcerate people for failing to pay fines and fees. He’ll also target policies to revoke driver’s licenses for unpaid parking or speeding tickets. And, he’ll help individuals incarcerated for six months or longer get a true fresh start by incentivizing states to wipe clean any outstanding traffic fines or fees that would prevent them from obtaining a license. These license-related reforms will not apply to licenses revoked for driving while intoxicated, reckless driving, or other serious driving violations

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    .End the criminalization of poverty.
    End cash bail: Cash bail is the modern-day debtors’ prison. The cash bail system incarcerates people who are presumed innocent. And, it disproportionately harms low-income individuals. Biden will lead a national effort to end cash bail and reform our pretrial system by putting in place, instead, a system that is fair and does not inject further discrimination or bias into the process.
    Stop jailing people for being too poor to pay fines and fees: Some people end up unable to escape our justice system because of the very fines and fees that the system levies. Biden will use the grantmaking power of the federal government to incentivize the end of policies that incarcerate people for failing to pay fines and fees. He’ll also target policies to revoke driver’s licenses for unpaid parking or speeding tickets. And, he’ll help individuals incarcerated for six months or longer get a true fresh start by incentivizing states to wipe clean any outstanding traffic fines or fees that would prevent them from obtaining a license. These license-related reforms will not apply to licenses revoked for driving while intoxicated, reckless driving, or other serious driving violations

     
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    End private prisons such as irwin detention center in Georgia.

    Stop corporations from profiteering off of incarceration. Biden will end the federal government’s use of private prisons, building off an Obama-Biden Administration’s policy rescinded by the Trump Administration. And, he will make clear that the federal government should not use private facilities for any detention, including detention of undocumented immigrants. Biden will also make eliminating private prisons and all other methods of profiteering off of incarceration – including diversion programs, commercial bail, and electronic monitoring – a requirement for his new state and local prevention grant program. Finally, Biden will support the passage of legislation to crack down on the practice of private companies charging incarcerated individuals and their families outrageously high fees to make calls.
    Provide for the unique needs of incarcerated women. Women inherently have different basic health care needs than incarcerated men. Biden will condition receipt of federal criminal justice grants on adequate provision of primary care and gynecological care for women, including care for pregnant women. The Biden Administration will also review the efficacy of programs that allow non-violent offenders who are primary care providers for their children to serve their sentences through in-home monitoring.
    Ensure humane prison conditions. Biden believes no act can justify the inhumane treatment of an individual in the hands of the government. As president, Biden will call for an overhaul of inhumane prison practices. He’ll start by ending the practice of solitary confinement, with very limited exceptions such as protecting the life of an imprisoned person. And, he’ll require states to fix environmental health problems in prisons, such as a lack of clean water and clean air.

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    End private prisons such as irwin detention center in Georgia.

    Stop corporations from profiteering off of incarceration. Biden will end the federal government’s use of private prisons, building off an Obama-Biden Administration’s policy rescinded by the Trump Administration. And, he will make clear that the federal government should not use private facilities for any detention, including detention of undocumented immigrants. Biden will also make eliminating private prisons and all other methods of profiteering off of incarceration – including diversion programs, commercial bail, and electronic monitoring – a requirement for his new state and local prevention grant program. Finally, Biden will support the passage of legislation to crack down on the practice of private companies charging incarcerated individuals and their families outrageously high fees to make calls.
    Provide for the unique needs of incarcerated women. Women inherently have different basic health care needs than incarcerated men. Biden will condition receipt of federal criminal justice grants on adequate provision of primary care and gynecological care for women, including care for pregnant women. The Biden Administration will also review the efficacy of programs that allow non-violent offenders who are primary care providers for their children to serve their sentences through in-home monitoring.
    Ensure humane prison conditions. Biden believes no act can justify the inhumane treatment of an individual in the hands of the government. As president, Biden will call for an overhaul of inhumane prison practices. He’ll start by ending the practice of solitary confinement, with very limited exceptions such as protecting the life of an imprisoned person. And, he’ll require states to fix environmental health problems in prisons, such as a lack of clean water and clean air.

     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2020 - 3:18 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @THEMUGG  I'm on record as not being a Trump fan. But I can't support someone like Biden knowing that he can be controlled by morons the likes of Pelosi, Cortez, Omar, etc. Two quick questions. Why are you not a Trump fan now, after what he has done thus far?  He is not beholden to either side as much as normal politicians are and will not be controlled by morons on either side.   Are you implying you would have supported a more uncontrollable Democratic candidate over Trump, even though your stances, at first glance, seem more aligned with Trump’s? Just curious.
    Fair questions. My "dislike" of Trump is more about his personality than anything else. I just find him obnoxious ............& I didn't see any Dem candidates that stood on their own two feet with any original ideas that made any sense........just a bunch of flavor of the month reactions. Anybody can spitball pie in the sky notions, which includes Biden. But, depending on which day of the week it is, Biden seems to think he can accommodate ALL of them. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @THEMUGG  I'm on record as not being a Trump fan. But I can't support someone like Biden knowing that he can be controlled by morons the likes of Pelosi, Cortez, Omar, etc. Two quick questions. Why are you not a Trump fan now, after what he has done thus far?  He is not beholden to either side as much as normal politicians are and will not be controlled by morons on either side.   Are you implying you would have supported a more uncontrollable Democratic candidate over Trump, even though your stances, at first glance, seem more aligned with Trump’s? Just curious.
    Fair questions. My "dislike" of Trump is more about his personality than anything else. I just find him obnoxious ............& I didn't see any Dem candidates that stood on their own two feet with any original ideas that made any sense........just a bunch of flavor of the month reactions. Anybody can spitball pie in the sky notions, which includes Biden. But, depending on which day of the week it is, Biden seems to think he can accommodate ALL of them. 

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