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    Midnight1
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2024 - 4:53 PM ET #1

    We all know that President Biden is considering issuing these preemptive pardons & it's terrible he has to consider it for people who have yet to be charged. Never has a president needed to protect people from the planned victimization by an incoming president. I may be wrong but I think Ford did this for Nixon but it's the only incident of a preemptive pardon in our history. 

    The POS & his acolytes have pledged loyalty to him, a requirement for the job, & have a list of names they plan to investigate. So Biden has the burden to bear.

    I don't like the idea of preemptive pardons but I can't fault Biden if he chooses to do so. 

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    We all know that President Biden is considering issuing these preemptive pardons & it's terrible he has to consider it for people who have yet to be charged. Never has a president needed to protect people from the planned victimization by an incoming president. I may be wrong but I think Ford did this for Nixon but it's the only incident of a preemptive pardon in our history. 

    The POS & his acolytes have pledged loyalty to him, a requirement for the job, & have a list of names they plan to investigate. So Biden has the burden to bear.

    I don't like the idea of preemptive pardons but I can't fault Biden if he chooses to do so. 

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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2024 - 5:04 PM ET #2

    He won't do it

    He should but I have this feeling he won't and good people will suffer at the hands of a vindictive authoritarian

    Those deplorable Americans who support fascist authoritarianism will cheer it on

    just like they did in Germany in the 1930's and early 1940's

     

     

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    He won't do it

    He should but I have this feeling he won't and good people will suffer at the hands of a vindictive authoritarian

    Those deplorable Americans who support fascist authoritarianism will cheer it on

    just like they did in Germany in the 1930's and early 1940's

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2024 - 6:57 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    We all know that President Biden is considering issuing these preemptive pardons & it's terrible he has to consider it for people who have yet to be charged. Never has a president needed to protect people from the planned victimization by an incoming president. 

    so true

    it would b diff in my mind if certain people really r guilty of serious crimes which r provable beyond doubt

    totally different if it is case of a fascist leader seeking vengeance on those who exposed his corruption

    which he has done bfor

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    We all know that President Biden is considering issuing these preemptive pardons & it's terrible he has to consider it for people who have yet to be charged. Never has a president needed to protect people from the planned victimization by an incoming president. 

    so true

    it would b diff in my mind if certain people really r guilty of serious crimes which r provable beyond doubt

    totally different if it is case of a fascist leader seeking vengeance on those who exposed his corruption

    which he has done bfor

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2024 - 12:11 AM ET #4

     If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned? an_popcorn

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     If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned? an_popcorn

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?

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    @Midnight1

     Only 20% of Americans polled support Biden passing out pardons like candy....

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     Only 20% of Americans polled support Biden passing out pardons like candy....

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    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?"

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    Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

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    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?"

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    Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent 

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    Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent 

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    Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?
    an_roll_laugh That makes no sense at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?
    an_roll_laugh That makes no sense at all.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

     

    worst part is it could happen here with a fascist in power

     

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

     

    worst part is it could happen here with a fascist in power

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewish populations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

    Exactly, Fubah.

    This retribution thing isn't good to stand for. Some day, perhaps as soon as in 2028, Democrats will win back the White House and the Legislative Branches, the retribution regurgitating might come along with them. Republicans can't hold the power forever, it will flip, Fubah.  

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewish populations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

    Exactly, Fubah.

    This retribution thing isn't good to stand for. Some day, perhaps as soon as in 2028, Democrats will win back the White House and the Legislative Branches, the retribution regurgitating might come along with them. Republicans can't hold the power forever, it will flip, Fubah.  

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewish populations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent? Exactly, Fubah. This retribution thing isn't good to stand for. Some day, perhaps as soon as in 2028, Democrats will win back the White House and the Legislative Branches, the retribution regurgitating might come along with them. Republicans can't hold the power forever, it will flip, Fubah.
    Remember...."no one is above the law". If these people are investigated & found to have committed crimes, then they deserve to be prosecuted, right? In fubah's twisted mind, he thinks that only applies to non libs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewish populations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent? Exactly, Fubah. This retribution thing isn't good to stand for. Some day, perhaps as soon as in 2028, Democrats will win back the White House and the Legislative Branches, the retribution regurgitating might come along with them. Republicans can't hold the power forever, it will flip, Fubah.
    Remember...."no one is above the law". If these people are investigated & found to have committed crimes, then they deserve to be prosecuted, right? In fubah's twisted mind, he thinks that only applies to non libs.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewish populations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent? Exactly, Fubah. This retribution thing isn't good to stand for. Some day, perhaps as soon as in 2028, Democrats will win back the White House and the Legislative Branches, the retribution regurgitating might come along with them. Republicans can't hold the power forever, it will flip, Fubah.

     

     

    spot on as always  europa !     an_clap

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewish populations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent? Exactly, Fubah. This retribution thing isn't good to stand for. Some day, perhaps as soon as in 2028, Democrats will win back the White House and the Legislative Branches, the retribution regurgitating might come along with them. Republicans can't hold the power forever, it will flip, Fubah.

     

     

    spot on as always  europa !     an_clap

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

     

    Yep great analogy.  The persecution of an entire ethnicity as one of the greatest atrocities of the 20th Century versus the potential prosecution of those who may or may not be guilty of crimes, perjury being the most common of the potential guilty parties.  "perjury" vs. "mass genocide"  Awesome analogy.  

    We have family of Jewish descent (married into) and having been educated enough to their history and that of some of their direct relatives who went through this time period it is greatly disappointing to see that Covers allows the atrocities of WWII to be used in such a partisan and non-challant way around here.  It is sickening and sad but hey that's par for the course in these parts I guess.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

     

    Yep great analogy.  The persecution of an entire ethnicity as one of the greatest atrocities of the 20th Century versus the potential prosecution of those who may or may not be guilty of crimes, perjury being the most common of the potential guilty parties.  "perjury" vs. "mass genocide"  Awesome analogy.  

    We have family of Jewish descent (married into) and having been educated enough to their history and that of some of their direct relatives who went through this time period it is greatly disappointing to see that Covers allows the atrocities of WWII to be used in such a partisan and non-challant way around here.  It is sickening and sad but hey that's par for the course in these parts I guess.  

     
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     Former FBI Director Wray is already on record of perjuring himself.  He resigned one day before the J6 commissions report was released, which included information in direct contradiction to some of his previous Congressional testimony.  

    I hope this piece of information is found to provide "value" to this forum peace_5

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     Former FBI Director Wray is already on record of perjuring himself.  He resigned one day before the J6 commissions report was released, which included information in direct contradiction to some of his previous Congressional testimony.  

    I hope this piece of information is found to provide "value" to this forum peace_5

     
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    The headline is misleading of course because it is CNN.  Read the story though and you'll find the contradiction to Wray's previous testimony. 

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/12/politics/justice-inspector-general-january-6-fbi-report

    The FBI had 26 confidential human sources at the Capitol on January 6, including four who entered the Capitol building and 13 who entered the "restricted area" around the Capitol, according to a just released DOJ Inspector General reporter.

     

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    The headline is misleading of course because it is CNN.  Read the story though and you'll find the contradiction to Wray's previous testimony. 

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/12/politics/justice-inspector-general-january-6-fbi-report

    The FBI had 26 confidential human sources at the Capitol on January 6, including four who entered the Capitol building and 13 who entered the "restricted area" around the Capitol, according to a just released DOJ Inspector General reporter.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

     

    Blahaha what an idiot. That is all I hear from people like you. Lest we forget Trump was President for four years. Didn't see any banners or heil Trump slogans. GTFOH with this bullshit. If you knew anything about American government, you would know that the balance of powers doesn't allow anything close to Nazi German from occurring. Lib propaganda right on point once again!

    As to the topic at hand Midnight, Zeus, Fubah, Kelly and all you libs just cannot wrap your head around the fact that no the Dems are dirty. Have been dirty for a long long long time. They committed many many many crimes. It is about time they are investigated and if committed a crime be prosecuted. You can spin it anyway you want and all of you name people are doing exactly that. Liberal propaganda. If they didn't commit a crime a pardon would NEVER be necessary. Oh by the way there are laws in place for malicious prosecution. If there wasn't even a spec of evidence to prosecute that prosecutor loses his or her license and treble civil damages. So yeah I am sure there are tons and tons and tons of Trump appointed prosecutors just waiting to baselessly prosecute his enemies. LMFAO. WTF the forum is so god damn stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

     

    Blahaha what an idiot. That is all I hear from people like you. Lest we forget Trump was President for four years. Didn't see any banners or heil Trump slogans. GTFOH with this bullshit. If you knew anything about American government, you would know that the balance of powers doesn't allow anything close to Nazi German from occurring. Lib propaganda right on point once again!

    As to the topic at hand Midnight, Zeus, Fubah, Kelly and all you libs just cannot wrap your head around the fact that no the Dems are dirty. Have been dirty for a long long long time. They committed many many many crimes. It is about time they are investigated and if committed a crime be prosecuted. You can spin it anyway you want and all of you name people are doing exactly that. Liberal propaganda. If they didn't commit a crime a pardon would NEVER be necessary. Oh by the way there are laws in place for malicious prosecution. If there wasn't even a spec of evidence to prosecute that prosecutor loses his or her license and treble civil damages. So yeah I am sure there are tons and tons and tons of Trump appointed prosecutors just waiting to baselessly prosecute his enemies. LMFAO. WTF the forum is so god damn stupid.

     
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    We had a just a bit of thought being shared before it turned into personal mudslinging.

    @THEMUGG

     The Left in here believes the guilty should be prosecuted. It's been well stated in many many threads in this forum.

    We got that straight now?

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    We had a just a bit of thought being shared before it turned into personal mudslinging.

    @THEMUGG

     The Left in here believes the guilty should be prosecuted. It's been well stated in many many threads in this forum.

    We got that straight now?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

    You "liberal Loonies" that populate this site are never-ending in your comparison of Trump to Hitler,.... and yet the former has never killed a soul. 

    You "loonies" really need a total mental reboot.   an_light

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

    You "liberal Loonies" that populate this site are never-ending in your comparison of Trump to Hitler,.... and yet the former has never killed a soul. 

    You "loonies" really need a total mental reboot.   an_light

     

     

     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg]Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?   Yep great analogy.  The persecution of an entire ethnicity as one of the greatest atrocities of the 20th Century versus the potential prosecution of those who may or may not be guilty of crimes, perjury being the most common of the potential guilty parties.  "perjury" vs. "mass genocide"  Awesome analogy.   We have family of Jewish descent (married into) and having been educated enough to their history and that of some of their direct relatives who went through this time period it is greatly disappointing to see that Covers allows the atrocities of WWII to be used in such a partisan and non-challant way around here.  It is sickening and sad but hey that's par for the course in these parts I guess.[/Quote]

    Great post, KC....   Common Sense has never been a strong suit of the liberal square-dancers on this site,... and most libs in general. 

     

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg]Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?   Yep great analogy.  The persecution of an entire ethnicity as one of the greatest atrocities of the 20th Century versus the potential prosecution of those who may or may not be guilty of crimes, perjury being the most common of the potential guilty parties.  "perjury" vs. "mass genocide"  Awesome analogy.   We have family of Jewish descent (married into) and having been educated enough to their history and that of some of their direct relatives who went through this time period it is greatly disappointing to see that Covers allows the atrocities of WWII to be used in such a partisan and non-challant way around here.  It is sickening and sad but hey that's par for the course in these parts I guess.[/Quote]

    Great post, KC....   Common Sense has never been a strong suit of the liberal square-dancers on this site,... and most libs in general. 

     

     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Midnight1]We had a just a bit of thought being shared before it turned into personal mudslinging. @THEMUGG  The Left in here believes the guilty should be prosecuted. It's been well stated in many many threads in this forum. We got that straight now?[/Quote]

    ....oh, this should be so much fun to "circle back" on in a few months...  

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Midnight1]We had a just a bit of thought being shared before it turned into personal mudslinging. @THEMUGG  The Left in here believes the guilty should be prosecuted. It's been well stated in many many threads in this forum. We got that straight now?[/Quote]

    ....oh, this should be so much fun to "circle back" on in a few months...  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

    True.   Large group of people not guilty of crimes, very clearly had reason to fear an authoritarian leader who had named them as targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    "If any of these people are innocent then why would they need to worry about being pardoned?" ------------------------------------   Looking back in history why would the Jewishpopulations back in the mid-1930s to mid-1940s in Germany and much of Europe have to worry about protection when they were innocent?

    True.   Large group of people not guilty of crimes, very clearly had reason to fear an authoritarian leader who had named them as targets.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    We had a just a bit of thought being shared before it turned into personal mudslinging. @THEMUGG  The Left in here believes the guilty should be prosecuted. It's been well stated in many many threads in this forum. We got that straight now?
    ....oh, this should be so much fun to "circle back" on in a few months...

    I know reality is not your bag but stop embarrassing yourself before someone starts copying threads proving my point. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    We had a just a bit of thought being shared before it turned into personal mudslinging. @THEMUGG  The Left in here believes the guilty should be prosecuted. It's been well stated in many many threads in this forum. We got that straight now?
    ....oh, this should be so much fun to "circle back" on in a few months...

    I know reality is not your bag but stop embarrassing yourself before someone starts copying threads proving my point. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    We had a just a bit of thought being shared before it turned into personal mudslinging. @THEMUGG  The Left in here believes the guilty should be prosecuted. It's been well stated in many many threads in this forum. We got that straight now?
    I believe that you believe that........but if you do, then why are you against any of them being investigated? Surely there's nothing for them to fear if they're clean, right? Or are you afraid they'll all get treated like Trump did by the dems? As far as the Bobbsey twins go, they think there are gas chambers waiting for the whole dem party, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    We had a just a bit of thought being shared before it turned into personal mudslinging. @THEMUGG  The Left in here believes the guilty should be prosecuted. It's been well stated in many many threads in this forum. We got that straight now?
    I believe that you believe that........but if you do, then why are you against any of them being investigated? Surely there's nothing for them to fear if they're clean, right? Or are you afraid they'll all get treated like Trump did by the dems? As far as the Bobbsey twins go, they think there are gas chambers waiting for the whole dem party, lol.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

      Large group of people not guilty of crimes, very clearly had reason to fear an authoritarian leader who had named them as targets.

     very well said 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

      Large group of people not guilty of crimes, very clearly had reason to fear an authoritarian leader who had named them as targets.

     very well said 

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