Me too . I see it play out in this forum as well . It’s heartbreaking . We as a species honestly don’t stand a chance to succeed . People don’t even communicate . It’s a travesty . Our evolution has stalled . Bring on the asteroid . I’m ready . Nobody has the stones to truly attempt to make a difference . They’d rather hurl insults from the shadows , or behind corners , because “ eye to eye “ is something that they can’t see .
President Donald John Trump in the Bronx!
Me too . I see it play out in this forum as well . It’s heartbreaking . We as a species honestly don’t stand a chance to succeed . People don’t even communicate . It’s a travesty . Our evolution has stalled . Bring on the asteroid . I’m ready . Nobody has the stones to truly attempt to make a difference . They’d rather hurl insults from the shadows , or behind corners , because “ eye to eye “ is something that they can’t see .
Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Libs/dems everywhere seem to be freaking out about the large attendance of this Trump rally. NY Gov. Hochul calling NY'ers "clowns" for attending, lib media saying people were bussed in......they're getting more desperate. 'Large'? The Permit was for 2500, not 25,000 as Donald says it was. Many out of state also. The pictures don't lie on this one. Wildwood NJ was around 30,000, not 100,000. No libs/dems are freaking out about it. Bigger picture... this is what people are touting/arguing about. No mention of what he actually said (not that it matters, same shit different rally) or what he plans to do. Just talking about where he was and who showed up.
Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Libs/dems everywhere seem to be freaking out about the large attendance of this Trump rally. NY Gov. Hochul calling NY'ers "clowns" for attending, lib media saying people were bussed in......they're getting more desperate. 'Large'? The Permit was for 2500, not 25,000 as Donald says it was. Many out of state also. The pictures don't lie on this one. Wildwood NJ was around 30,000, not 100,000. No libs/dems are freaking out about it. Bigger picture... this is what people are touting/arguing about. No mention of what he actually said (not that it matters, same shit different rally) or what he plans to do. Just talking about where he was and who showed up.
Quote Originally Posted by BWS77: The Permit was for 2500, not 25,000 as Donald says it was. Many out of state also. The pictures don't lie on this one. Wildwood NJ was around 30,000, not 100,000. No libs/dems are freaking out about it. Trump often exaggerates crowd size at his events. He has a habit of overstating his appeal. For example, 2017 inauguration. When confronted by the truth, he falsely claims dishonest media is misrepresenting or not reporting the number of people.
”Alternative facts” lololol
Quote Originally Posted by BWS77: The Permit was for 2500, not 25,000 as Donald says it was. Many out of state also. The pictures don't lie on this one. Wildwood NJ was around 30,000, not 100,000. No libs/dems are freaking out about it. Trump often exaggerates crowd size at his events. He has a habit of overstating his appeal. For example, 2017 inauguration. When confronted by the truth, he falsely claims dishonest media is misrepresenting or not reporting the number of people.
”Alternative facts” lololol
@Sidehatch Also ditched the credit for higher ed costs, now it is some phase out scam named gig with an ultra low limit and a lifetime max. If anything has been wrecked by inflation for the last 30 years it is higher ed costs and with the Trump tax fiasco they forked the middle class for sure.
but, but, but, they are supposed to be the proud party of fiscal responsibility!! ![]()
@Sidehatch Also ditched the credit for higher ed costs, now it is some phase out scam named gig with an ultra low limit and a lifetime max. If anything has been wrecked by inflation for the last 30 years it is higher ed costs and with the Trump tax fiasco they forked the middle class for sure.
but, but, but, they are supposed to be the proud party of fiscal responsibility!! ![]()
The POS stated that people ask him "How do you get up in the morning & put your pants on?" Well, I know how he does it. Step 1: Call Dan Scavino to bring pants Step 2: Kick porn star out of hotel room Step 3: Lay on bed in Rudy's position Step 4: Tells Hannity to slide on left leg Step 5: Tells Lara Trump to slide on right leg Step 6: Poop pants Step 7: Repeat steps 1-6
I call that winning.
The POS stated that people ask him "How do you get up in the morning & put your pants on?" Well, I know how he does it. Step 1: Call Dan Scavino to bring pants Step 2: Kick porn star out of hotel room Step 3: Lay on bed in Rudy's position Step 4: Tells Hannity to slide on left leg Step 5: Tells Lara Trump to slide on right leg Step 6: Poop pants Step 7: Repeat steps 1-6
I call that winning.
Quote Originally Posted by BWS77: Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Libs/dems everywhere seem to be freaking out about the large attendance of this Trump rally. NY Gov. Hochul calling NY'ers "clowns" for attending, lib media saying people were bussed in......they're getting more desperate. 'Large'? The Permit was for 2500, not 25,000 as Donald says it was. Many out of state also. The pictures don't lie on this one. Wildwood NJ was around 30,000, not 100,000. No libs/dems are freaking out about it. Bigger picture... this is what people are touting/arguing about. No mention of what he actually said (not that it matters, same shit different rally) or what he plans to do. Just talking about where he was and who showed up.Which is curious. The people talking shit...... aoc, Hochul, lib media......are triggered by the simple fact that people gathered for this, not any of the substance (which, as you mentioned, is the same crap as always). Nobody really knows where the attendees were from, although all interviewed "claimed" to be local.
I guess you could consider them defending their turf as 'triggered'. Interested to see how Donald reacts to the heavy booing and removal of his MAGA plants at the Libertarian Convention. Probably not the push back he was expecting
Quote Originally Posted by BWS77: Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Libs/dems everywhere seem to be freaking out about the large attendance of this Trump rally. NY Gov. Hochul calling NY'ers "clowns" for attending, lib media saying people were bussed in......they're getting more desperate. 'Large'? The Permit was for 2500, not 25,000 as Donald says it was. Many out of state also. The pictures don't lie on this one. Wildwood NJ was around 30,000, not 100,000. No libs/dems are freaking out about it. Bigger picture... this is what people are touting/arguing about. No mention of what he actually said (not that it matters, same shit different rally) or what he plans to do. Just talking about where he was and who showed up.Which is curious. The people talking shit...... aoc, Hochul, lib media......are triggered by the simple fact that people gathered for this, not any of the substance (which, as you mentioned, is the same crap as always). Nobody really knows where the attendees were from, although all interviewed "claimed" to be local.
I guess you could consider them defending their turf as 'triggered'. Interested to see how Donald reacts to the heavy booing and removal of his MAGA plants at the Libertarian Convention. Probably not the push back he was expecting
@BWS77
AOC & Hochul have thumbed their noses at their constituents & are now defending their turf by insulting them? They were caught off guard & didn't know how to handle it. It may not mean fuckall in the long run but it was interesting to see their reactions.
@BWS77
AOC & Hochul have thumbed their noses at their constituents & are now defending their turf by insulting them? They were caught off guard & didn't know how to handle it. It may not mean fuckall in the long run but it was interesting to see their reactions.
@Sidehatch Also ditched the credit for higher ed costs, now it is some phase out scam named gig with an ultra low limit and a lifetime max. If anything has been wrecked by inflation for the last 30 years it is higher ed costs and with the Trump tax fiasco they forked the middle class for sure.
yet another partisan post from the higher ups. ![]()
@Sidehatch Also ditched the credit for higher ed costs, now it is some phase out scam named gig with an ultra low limit and a lifetime max. If anything has been wrecked by inflation for the last 30 years it is higher ed costs and with the Trump tax fiasco they forked the middle class for sure.
yet another partisan post from the higher ups. ![]()
@Jarrett75
So it is partisan stating actions taken by Trump during his tenure?
Was he directly responsible for the unnecessary overhaul of the tax code and the elimination of the higher ed tax credit or was that Biden or Obama?
Stating actions he was directly involved with and proud of is not a partisan comment.
@Jarrett75
So it is partisan stating actions taken by Trump during his tenure?
Was he directly responsible for the unnecessary overhaul of the tax code and the elimination of the higher ed tax credit or was that Biden or Obama?
Stating actions he was directly involved with and proud of is not a partisan comment.
it is always intriguing to me that the media tends to promote sports figures and actors and musicians political views. These folks should not have any better insight than the average construction worker or office worker. But because they are famous I guess the media assumes their option on politics is interesting even though it is not their area of expertise or maybe that it will help influence people.
Granted, I did not see either De Niro's 'press conference' or Quaid's interview in full and only saw and read snippets online. But it is interesting that an actor from an overwhelmingly Liberal industry has an opposite take from De Niro's and is willing to actually admit that he is considering voting for Trump:
When asked by Morgan whether one has to like Trump to vote for him, Quaid replied that he cringed at some of Trump’s past rhetoric, "But as president… the only thing I liked about Trump was everything he did."
"What he did with Korea, with Rocket Baby, the way he defeated ISIS in three weeks. You know, people don't even remember it happened so fast. How he stood up for us overseas. The way he responded to China. He stands up to people and that's what makes him a leader. Rather than, what I kind of compare it to, what was going on in Jimmy Carter's administration, where we're trying to be everybody's friend and pal," he said.
"I’ll tell you one true thing about him is that I really feel that he is working for the American people. That's what he's all about, and I do believe that to be true and sincere," Quaid said.
As for his opinion on Biden, Quaid said, "I don’t feel he’s at the helm, I don’t feel he’s there… I feel that he says things to get votes, not that he truly believes them. And now I’m really gonna get some blowback, but that’s the way I feel."
He went on to express his hope that Americans can come together across the political divide after the election, "It doesn’t have to be the end of the world, whoever is elected."
it is always intriguing to me that the media tends to promote sports figures and actors and musicians political views. These folks should not have any better insight than the average construction worker or office worker. But because they are famous I guess the media assumes their option on politics is interesting even though it is not their area of expertise or maybe that it will help influence people.
Granted, I did not see either De Niro's 'press conference' or Quaid's interview in full and only saw and read snippets online. But it is interesting that an actor from an overwhelmingly Liberal industry has an opposite take from De Niro's and is willing to actually admit that he is considering voting for Trump:
When asked by Morgan whether one has to like Trump to vote for him, Quaid replied that he cringed at some of Trump’s past rhetoric, "But as president… the only thing I liked about Trump was everything he did."
"What he did with Korea, with Rocket Baby, the way he defeated ISIS in three weeks. You know, people don't even remember it happened so fast. How he stood up for us overseas. The way he responded to China. He stands up to people and that's what makes him a leader. Rather than, what I kind of compare it to, what was going on in Jimmy Carter's administration, where we're trying to be everybody's friend and pal," he said.
"I’ll tell you one true thing about him is that I really feel that he is working for the American people. That's what he's all about, and I do believe that to be true and sincere," Quaid said.
As for his opinion on Biden, Quaid said, "I don’t feel he’s at the helm, I don’t feel he’s there… I feel that he says things to get votes, not that he truly believes them. And now I’m really gonna get some blowback, but that’s the way I feel."
He went on to express his hope that Americans can come together across the political divide after the election, "It doesn’t have to be the end of the world, whoever is elected."
@ABooksNightmare I did the same thing as your relative, took a long route and did not have debt. My comment was not about student loans or debt it was about two things- 1) Inflation has wrecked higher ed and has for decades, much worse than CPI and some here are chirping regularly about how much food costs and rent costs and whatever else you can blame on Biden but nobody speaks about education and the multi decade ramp of inflation and the answer is not that you should not go if you are unable to pay, that is an awful answer. We as a society are better when we have an educated population and I am not speaking about liberal arts go nowhere degrees, there are MANY who get highly specialized and valued degrees that add a ton of importance for the safety and future of this country, education is not free loading lifers that it is implied here. 2) Tax credits FOR higher ed, I did not say writing off student debt interest I am speaking of credit for PAYMENT of higher ed costs, that means the money has been spent and it is not debt based. What is the issue giving a tax credit towards higher ed? It is not the only issue because Ive also stated my complaints about the stupid generals and how useless they are especially for a cost and the time spent that could be better used on core subjects, instead of two years on generals let someone get dual undergrad majors or have a minor be towards something that adds value instead of retread generals like psychology and world history that most take in high school. Down here the moronic state of AZ allows higher ed to raise tuition 5% a year, that means in 10 years costs will be over 50% more, AND they have destroyed merit based scholarships so even the highest level of scholarship it only covers 60% or so of tuition and that is not books or fees or living expenses, it covers less than 75% of base tuition and that is for over a 3.75 GPA and over 33 ACT or equiv SAT score, so pretty tough to accomplish. I wont go into my situation but my kiddo took every opportunity in high school to be prepared for college including AP classes and community college credit classes offered while in HS, got a scholarship and finished early with two degrees and will go forward for a masters degree next. Costs have gone up so much the state actually had to adjust scholarship awards to not completely lose pace with covering 60-70% of tuition. I consider higher ed costs to be deserving of a tax credit much more than others that exist including charitable contributions.
I'm not opposed to the tax credit...that actually sounds logical...We should be encouraging further education, but the cost is a factor and is only getting worse...you have poor kids/families trying to get a better education because society has told them that you get a better paying job if you do so, but college seems like it has become for the well-off or rich based on how expensive it has become...however, not always the case that one obtains better employment just because you have a college education...you are correct that society is better with educated individuals and the type of degree does matter...some degrees are worthless only to show or reflect that you received some higher education, but it may not always help or be needed overall....the schools offer them though so there must be a demand somewhere....your idea of providing some break/benefit to certain degrees is eye opening and you are correct in that this would be better served than many of the cockeyed plans or breaks that are currently out there...not sure why this is not addressed more and is mind boggling that this is not endlessly proposed until it sticks...
@ABooksNightmare I did the same thing as your relative, took a long route and did not have debt. My comment was not about student loans or debt it was about two things- 1) Inflation has wrecked higher ed and has for decades, much worse than CPI and some here are chirping regularly about how much food costs and rent costs and whatever else you can blame on Biden but nobody speaks about education and the multi decade ramp of inflation and the answer is not that you should not go if you are unable to pay, that is an awful answer. We as a society are better when we have an educated population and I am not speaking about liberal arts go nowhere degrees, there are MANY who get highly specialized and valued degrees that add a ton of importance for the safety and future of this country, education is not free loading lifers that it is implied here. 2) Tax credits FOR higher ed, I did not say writing off student debt interest I am speaking of credit for PAYMENT of higher ed costs, that means the money has been spent and it is not debt based. What is the issue giving a tax credit towards higher ed? It is not the only issue because Ive also stated my complaints about the stupid generals and how useless they are especially for a cost and the time spent that could be better used on core subjects, instead of two years on generals let someone get dual undergrad majors or have a minor be towards something that adds value instead of retread generals like psychology and world history that most take in high school. Down here the moronic state of AZ allows higher ed to raise tuition 5% a year, that means in 10 years costs will be over 50% more, AND they have destroyed merit based scholarships so even the highest level of scholarship it only covers 60% or so of tuition and that is not books or fees or living expenses, it covers less than 75% of base tuition and that is for over a 3.75 GPA and over 33 ACT or equiv SAT score, so pretty tough to accomplish. I wont go into my situation but my kiddo took every opportunity in high school to be prepared for college including AP classes and community college credit classes offered while in HS, got a scholarship and finished early with two degrees and will go forward for a masters degree next. Costs have gone up so much the state actually had to adjust scholarship awards to not completely lose pace with covering 60-70% of tuition. I consider higher ed costs to be deserving of a tax credit much more than others that exist including charitable contributions.
I'm not opposed to the tax credit...that actually sounds logical...We should be encouraging further education, but the cost is a factor and is only getting worse...you have poor kids/families trying to get a better education because society has told them that you get a better paying job if you do so, but college seems like it has become for the well-off or rich based on how expensive it has become...however, not always the case that one obtains better employment just because you have a college education...you are correct that society is better with educated individuals and the type of degree does matter...some degrees are worthless only to show or reflect that you received some higher education, but it may not always help or be needed overall....the schools offer them though so there must be a demand somewhere....your idea of providing some break/benefit to certain degrees is eye opening and you are correct in that this would be better served than many of the cockeyed plans or breaks that are currently out there...not sure why this is not addressed more and is mind boggling that this is not endlessly proposed until it sticks...
@ABooksNightmare
I would look into these education tax credits and tax credits more, in general, and maybe you would come to a different conclusion.
Republicans and Democrats both like these and both do so for, largely, incorrect reasons.
Republicans attempt to disguise them as tax cuts of a sort; Democrats attempt to use them thinking they benefit their agendas. Both of which are largely wrong.
The more tax credits you add the more it also complicates the current tax code. Republicans also try to claim it helps to shrink government and it does not do that either. The Democrats like to think these help the poor and it does not do that because it is not a cash refund.
Even back under Clinton when all of these tax credits started really expanding that was major concern.
One of the first things that happened once the college tax credits were implemented way back then was a push to expand it to lower education as well.
Most students are not filing a tax return to even use them, so the parents would be using them.
Then these tax credits would benefit the wealthier parents more because they are filing a tax return. Whereas, some of the poorer families are not making enough to file a return either. So, overall the benefits would go to folks that are already likely to send their children to school and are more apt to be able to afford it already.
Then you still have the potential side-effect that other tax credits have of luring folks into a situation they might not be suited for — just to get the tax credit. So, the intent of the Democrats to help people get into something they might not otherwise get into can backfire and not achieve the intended result.
So, again you have to decide if the country is better suited to enact programs or to enact credits to achieve the intended results.
I am a big proponent of a much simpler tax code and this is the opposite of that. I am also for getting results through a more local level that would benefit the intended individual(s) in a more efficient manner.
Absolutely, the price of higher education has gotten over-priced. But there can be a good argument made that too many people are going and the value of most degrees have become watered down.
There are plenty of ways for folks to pay as they go, go to community college to start, get scholarships and that sort of thing.
There can also be made a point that since so many are going to colleges that they can charge so much. They know they will get it from the students because the students are ‘forced’ into getting loans and starting their adult lives in debt.
If fewer people went to colleges and into more suited careers and fewer loans were available — then the colleges might not charge as much, It is ridiculous that the costs have so outgrown other things at the rate they have.
I understand that the whole thing is dynamic and complicated. I just do not think adding more and more tax credits to everything really helps; and, I certainly, do not think it helps the intended folks as much as it should.
It just seems tax credits lead to more problems, complicates the tax code, increases the demand for even more tax credits, and often do not achieve the desired results.
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@ABooksNightmare
I would look into these education tax credits and tax credits more, in general, and maybe you would come to a different conclusion.
Republicans and Democrats both like these and both do so for, largely, incorrect reasons.
Republicans attempt to disguise them as tax cuts of a sort; Democrats attempt to use them thinking they benefit their agendas. Both of which are largely wrong.
The more tax credits you add the more it also complicates the current tax code. Republicans also try to claim it helps to shrink government and it does not do that either. The Democrats like to think these help the poor and it does not do that because it is not a cash refund.
Even back under Clinton when all of these tax credits started really expanding that was major concern.
One of the first things that happened once the college tax credits were implemented way back then was a push to expand it to lower education as well.
Most students are not filing a tax return to even use them, so the parents would be using them.
Then these tax credits would benefit the wealthier parents more because they are filing a tax return. Whereas, some of the poorer families are not making enough to file a return either. So, overall the benefits would go to folks that are already likely to send their children to school and are more apt to be able to afford it already.
Then you still have the potential side-effect that other tax credits have of luring folks into a situation they might not be suited for — just to get the tax credit. So, the intent of the Democrats to help people get into something they might not otherwise get into can backfire and not achieve the intended result.
So, again you have to decide if the country is better suited to enact programs or to enact credits to achieve the intended results.
I am a big proponent of a much simpler tax code and this is the opposite of that. I am also for getting results through a more local level that would benefit the intended individual(s) in a more efficient manner.
Absolutely, the price of higher education has gotten over-priced. But there can be a good argument made that too many people are going and the value of most degrees have become watered down.
There are plenty of ways for folks to pay as they go, go to community college to start, get scholarships and that sort of thing.
There can also be made a point that since so many are going to colleges that they can charge so much. They know they will get it from the students because the students are ‘forced’ into getting loans and starting their adult lives in debt.
If fewer people went to colleges and into more suited careers and fewer loans were available — then the colleges might not charge as much, It is ridiculous that the costs have so outgrown other things at the rate they have.
I understand that the whole thing is dynamic and complicated. I just do not think adding more and more tax credits to everything really helps; and, I certainly, do not think it helps the intended folks as much as it should.
It just seems tax credits lead to more problems, complicates the tax code, increases the demand for even more tax credits, and often do not achieve the desired results.
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Ouch trump
just find me 34 innocents there somewhere ! Don’t look in the area of the missing 11780 votes !
Ouch trump
just find me 34 innocents there somewhere ! Don’t look in the area of the missing 11780 votes !
@Raiders22
I agree tax code simplification is best...when they write this stuff is not always easy followed...I mean, you'd need to be highly educated to understand some of the language or follow along which then of course would fall right in line with what we are talking about,..if the government is going to put something out there they need to make it easier to follow along...I can tell you with the codes and regulations that were written during COVID regarding the tax credits and such for businesses was not easy to follow...you got the hang of it as it went along but at first it was very confusing and we still here today that people are being caught for fabricating and/or not handling correctly....I know for one that we paid out hundreds of thousands of dollars in COVID sick pay over the periods and taking those credits was always eye cringing to me because no one wants to battle the IRS for anything...I know we were deserving of the credits but still it's the IRS...
@Raiders22
I agree tax code simplification is best...when they write this stuff is not always easy followed...I mean, you'd need to be highly educated to understand some of the language or follow along which then of course would fall right in line with what we are talking about,..if the government is going to put something out there they need to make it easier to follow along...I can tell you with the codes and regulations that were written during COVID regarding the tax credits and such for businesses was not easy to follow...you got the hang of it as it went along but at first it was very confusing and we still here today that people are being caught for fabricating and/or not handling correctly....I know for one that we paid out hundreds of thousands of dollars in COVID sick pay over the periods and taking those credits was always eye cringing to me because no one wants to battle the IRS for anything...I know we were deserving of the credits but still it's the IRS...
Looks like Trump could be facing up to four years in the Bronx - at Rikers Island - unless he shows some contrition in the near future. We all know he won’t do that. ![]()
Looks like Trump could be facing up to four years in the Bronx - at Rikers Island - unless he shows some contrition in the near future. We all know he won’t do that. ![]()
Looks like Trump could be facing up to four years in the Bronx - at Rikers Island - unless he shows some contrition in the near future. We all know he won’t do that.
Im praying for community service! 500 Hours doing under 50.000 earners tax returns
Looks like Trump could be facing up to four years in the Bronx - at Rikers Island - unless he shows some contrition in the near future. We all know he won’t do that.
Im praying for community service! 500 Hours doing under 50.000 earners tax returns
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