HIs speech was only great if you think like he does. He is a great cheer leader for rah rah ing the party faithful, but like any cheer leader, it only works with rehearsed lines and staged actions. He says nothing ever of substance and specifics. The more he continues to "rally his base" the more he loses the people who voted him in, the independents.
He was elected by a war weary public who were tired of Bush. The republicans and conservatives weren't behind McCain because he was basically a liberal light, not a conservative. Obama wowed the nation and many voted for him because they wanted to vote for the first Black Pres and bouh into the Hope and Change slogan. Even with all of that he only won 52% of the vote. Not exactly a mandate for change or a landslide victory.
The Dems will lose seats in the house and Senate this next election (2010) as historically all party's in power lose seats in mid term elections, how many is the only question. My hope is one of the chambers becomes a conservative chamber to stop the liberal agenda in its tracks. This is ruly the best thing for America because it allows all sides to discuss and debate and usually results in nothing controversial getting done. Certainly it will prevent the ram-rodding of the agenda from either party. Obama and the Dems know this so they are doing everything they can to try to get their legislation passed before anyone has a chance to object to it.
Health Care reform the way Obama and the liberals want it will not pass. IF they are foolish enough to ignore the voting public and do what they want, chances are they will be decimated by the mid term elections.
So I say, Keep it up mr Teleprompter. Lead those cheers, because you certainly don't know how to lead a nation.
Cheers pardon the pun
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HIs speech was only great if you think like he does. He is a great cheer leader for rah rah ing the party faithful, but like any cheer leader, it only works with rehearsed lines and staged actions. He says nothing ever of substance and specifics. The more he continues to "rally his base" the more he loses the people who voted him in, the independents.
He was elected by a war weary public who were tired of Bush. The republicans and conservatives weren't behind McCain because he was basically a liberal light, not a conservative. Obama wowed the nation and many voted for him because they wanted to vote for the first Black Pres and bouh into the Hope and Change slogan. Even with all of that he only won 52% of the vote. Not exactly a mandate for change or a landslide victory.
The Dems will lose seats in the house and Senate this next election (2010) as historically all party's in power lose seats in mid term elections, how many is the only question. My hope is one of the chambers becomes a conservative chamber to stop the liberal agenda in its tracks. This is ruly the best thing for America because it allows all sides to discuss and debate and usually results in nothing controversial getting done. Certainly it will prevent the ram-rodding of the agenda from either party. Obama and the Dems know this so they are doing everything they can to try to get their legislation passed before anyone has a chance to object to it.
Health Care reform the way Obama and the liberals want it will not pass. IF they are foolish enough to ignore the voting public and do what they want, chances are they will be decimated by the mid term elections.
So I say, Keep it up mr Teleprompter. Lead those cheers, because you certainly don't know how to lead a nation.
Oh great, another president to take away my money to fund crooked unions and community organizations.
not that I think he should fund wars, or the rich
how about funding nobody, then the American people would really win.
my favorite part of the story is when they dragged out Caroline Kennedy to invoke the image of the great champion for the people.
"And it is time to make the dream of Uncle Teddy's career a reality and
guarantee quality, affordable, health care for every man, woman, and
child," Kennedy said.
drrrp.... Uncle Teddy !!!!!
oh wait .......
they are serious with this shit?
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Oh great, another president to take away my money to fund crooked unions and community organizations.
not that I think he should fund wars, or the rich
how about funding nobody, then the American people would really win.
my favorite part of the story is when they dragged out Caroline Kennedy to invoke the image of the great champion for the people.
"And it is time to make the dream of Uncle Teddy's career a reality and
guarantee quality, affordable, health care for every man, woman, and
child," Kennedy said.
Don Juan, your desperation increases exponentially with each post you make. Everyday Obama's approval drops. Everyday your side loses support,as more and more truth comes out about the plethora of scumbags Obama surrounds himself with. Obama is going to be on TV like 5 times this week. His desperation is palpable as well, obviously.
I understand that your dream is unraveling. I understand that you were lied to. I understand you are angry. Yeah, you got had big time.
People tried to tell you DJ
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Don Juan, your desperation increases exponentially with each post you make. Everyday Obama's approval drops. Everyday your side loses support,as more and more truth comes out about the plethora of scumbags Obama surrounds himself with. Obama is going to be on TV like 5 times this week. His desperation is palpable as well, obviously.
I understand that your dream is unraveling. I understand that you were lied to. I understand you are angry. Yeah, you got had big time.
I'm glad "he is getting serious now".... since so far he has been a joke
Hey Mr Grego, I have not included you in the Dirty Dozen because I have a special roll for you. (You're ) a perfect fit . You have the distinction of winning my Mr. Negative award. I have not read one single positive comment from you. Therefore, in the future you will be known as Mr.Nogo !
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Quote Originally Posted by Grego:
I'm glad "he is getting serious now".... since so far he has been a joke
Hey Mr Grego, I have not included you in the Dirty Dozen because I have a special roll for you. (You're ) a perfect fit . You have the distinction of winning my Mr. Negative award. I have not read one single positive comment from you. Therefore, in the future you will be known as Mr.Nogo !
If you think all this time and effort that the great Prez and his administration are spending on healthcare is our main priority, then of course you think his speech was great.
We have way bigger things to worry about and all this time of writing these "great speeches" and drafting healthcare proposals is a waste of time.
Obama's approval rating is about to dip under 50%. It's at 52% right now. The American public do not want this right now. Yet, he continues to ignore that. This is Obama's agenda, not the American people's.
The polls show everything is sliding for Obama and the people who back him. Democrats will be losing a lot of seats next year.
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If you think all this time and effort that the great Prez and his administration are spending on healthcare is our main priority, then of course you think his speech was great.
We have way bigger things to worry about and all this time of writing these "great speeches" and drafting healthcare proposals is a waste of time.
Obama's approval rating is about to dip under 50%. It's at 52% right now. The American public do not want this right now. Yet, he continues to ignore that. This is Obama's agenda, not the American people's.
The polls show everything is sliding for Obama and the people who back him. Democrats will be losing a lot of seats next year.
SoonerFan - well written & I agree to a degree with parts of it but how in the fuck do you think one "leads a nation" anymore? And no matter how so-called "liberal" Obama might be & pushing the agenda that was only to be expected, there's no fkn comparison to what he's tryin to get done (no matter how much you might dislike it) & what Bush/Cheney/Rummy did.
Huge difference between manipulating & deceiving the country/congress into going to war with all the monetary cost & worse, innocent lives to pushing for a debatable improvement in an already screwed up healthcare system.
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SoonerFan - well written & I agree to a degree with parts of it but how in the fuck do you think one "leads a nation" anymore? And no matter how so-called "liberal" Obama might be & pushing the agenda that was only to be expected, there's no fkn comparison to what he's tryin to get done (no matter how much you might dislike it) & what Bush/Cheney/Rummy did.
Huge difference between manipulating & deceiving the country/congress into going to war with all the monetary cost & worse, innocent lives to pushing for a debatable improvement in an already screwed up healthcare system.
Hey, here's a wild & crazy notion. What if Obama is just seeing the situation as it truly exists in regards to healthcare & while mabe not seeing all the complexities/ramifications of evey part of the bill, truly believes that basically it's a good thing instead of being deadset on leading us into marxism/communism & with a purely partisan, anti-American (whatever that means anymore) agenda. What a novel thought -
Repubs are great at coming up with finely honed alternative plans once they see the other hand shown & which way the political winds are blowin, but that's about it. Otherwise, they follow the same agenda that favors the wealthy, big corps, etc - it's just now (with the deficit/bad economy & all the anger/diviveness that had little or nothing to do with Obama), they can semi-cloak it in being truly "American" & constitutional/against big govt at a popular time for that kinda shit,
That Glenn Beck fella's gettin to be more of a theatrical actor more than anything else. Pathetic to see -
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Hey, here's a wild & crazy notion. What if Obama is just seeing the situation as it truly exists in regards to healthcare & while mabe not seeing all the complexities/ramifications of evey part of the bill, truly believes that basically it's a good thing instead of being deadset on leading us into marxism/communism & with a purely partisan, anti-American (whatever that means anymore) agenda. What a novel thought -
Repubs are great at coming up with finely honed alternative plans once they see the other hand shown & which way the political winds are blowin, but that's about it. Otherwise, they follow the same agenda that favors the wealthy, big corps, etc - it's just now (with the deficit/bad economy & all the anger/diviveness that had little or nothing to do with Obama), they can semi-cloak it in being truly "American" & constitutional/against big govt at a popular time for that kinda shit,
That Glenn Beck fella's gettin to be more of a theatrical actor more than anything else. Pathetic to see -
So obama isn't manipulating and deceiving the Congress and the publicThe one thing I agree with you on is that you can't compare the cost of the war to the cost of obama's plans. The Bush offensive cost less than 1T. obama doesn't even bend over to pick up 1T. He is easily the costliest mistake in American history. Hopefully he won't be able to completely destroy what was once a great country.
with the deficit/bad economy & all the anger/diviveness that had little or nothing to do with Obama
That's his legacy. It has everything to do with him. He is certainly the most racist/divisive president in history and while he inherited a poor economic climate, he has done NOTHING to improve the situation and it is far worse now than it was when he took office. In addition, the democrats controlled Congress for the last two years of the Bush term. The wildly profligate spending and emasculating apology tour as well as the continued loss of jobs, mounting foreclosures, and crippling proposed legislation are all on his watch.
If he isn't mature, capable, and responsible enough to handle the position (which he clearly isn't) he shouldn't have taken the job. Blaming Bush at this point is pathetic and falling on deaf ears except for those of his die hard sycophants.
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So obama isn't manipulating and deceiving the Congress and the publicThe one thing I agree with you on is that you can't compare the cost of the war to the cost of obama's plans. The Bush offensive cost less than 1T. obama doesn't even bend over to pick up 1T. He is easily the costliest mistake in American history. Hopefully he won't be able to completely destroy what was once a great country.
with the deficit/bad economy & all the anger/diviveness that had little or nothing to do with Obama
That's his legacy. It has everything to do with him. He is certainly the most racist/divisive president in history and while he inherited a poor economic climate, he has done NOTHING to improve the situation and it is far worse now than it was when he took office. In addition, the democrats controlled Congress for the last two years of the Bush term. The wildly profligate spending and emasculating apology tour as well as the continued loss of jobs, mounting foreclosures, and crippling proposed legislation are all on his watch.
If he isn't mature, capable, and responsible enough to handle the position (which he clearly isn't) he shouldn't have taken the job. Blaming Bush at this point is pathetic and falling on deaf ears except for those of his die hard sycophants.
This country is in shambles, the only thing Obama has done is make the USA the laughing stock of the world and divide this country more than race and class ever could by itself.
pretty good first 7 months for someone who listened to a hate preacher for twenty years god damning america
i cant wait to see where we are in two years
at least gold is heading in the right direction
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This country is in shambles, the only thing Obama has done is make the USA the laughing stock of the world and divide this country more than race and class ever could by itself.
pretty good first 7 months for someone who listened to a hate preacher for twenty years god damning america
After reading your numerous threads, I cant help but meander off topic and ask, "So you're NOT going to stay out of the political forum so you can spend your time capping football"?
Since you didnt do as you promised, does this hurt your future credibility?
Back on topic, you say we are to blame Bush for HIS first 8 months, inlcuding the 9/11 attack.....how again did you come to the conclusion that we are to BLAME him for this?
You tell us to stop whining about spending too much money, telling us to remember King George gave away millions to the wealthy and one needless war...... What does that have to do with the price of beans in China????
And lastly, a typical LIBERAL view is exactly as you stated to KOAJ..."thats one reason we need health care reform...you wont have to pay anymore..."
Of course, no need to worry about who'll pick up the tab....as long as its FREE for us, right?
Hope I didnt fall out of the Dirty Dozen.
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Don juan,
After reading your numerous threads, I cant help but meander off topic and ask, "So you're NOT going to stay out of the political forum so you can spend your time capping football"?
Since you didnt do as you promised, does this hurt your future credibility?
Back on topic, you say we are to blame Bush for HIS first 8 months, inlcuding the 9/11 attack.....how again did you come to the conclusion that we are to BLAME him for this?
You tell us to stop whining about spending too much money, telling us to remember King George gave away millions to the wealthy and one needless war...... What does that have to do with the price of beans in China????
And lastly, a typical LIBERAL view is exactly as you stated to KOAJ..."thats one reason we need health care reform...you wont have to pay anymore..."
Of course, no need to worry about who'll pick up the tab....as long as its FREE for us, right?
After reading your numerous threads, I cant help but meander off topic and ask, "So you're NOT going to stay out of the political forum so you can spend your time capping football"?
Since you didnt do as you promised, does this hurt your future credibility?
Back on topic, you say we are to blame Bush for HIS first 8 months, inlcuding the 9/11 attack.....how again did you come to the conclusion that we are to BLAME him for this?
You tell us to stop whining about spending too much money, telling us to remember King George gave away millions to the wealthy and one needless war...... What does that have to do with the price of beans in China????
And lastly, a typical LIBERAL view is exactly as you stated to KOAJ..."thats one reason we need health care reform...you wont have to pay anymore..."
Of course, no need to worry about who'll pick up the tab....as long as its FREE for us, right?
After reading your numerous threads, I cant help but meander off topic and ask, "So you're NOT going to stay out of the political forum so you can spend your time capping football"?
Since you didnt do as you promised, does this hurt your future credibility?
Back on topic, you say we are to blame Bush for HIS first 8 months, inlcuding the 9/11 attack.....how again did you come to the conclusion that we are to BLAME him for this?
You tell us to stop whining about spending too much money, telling us to remember King George gave away millions to the wealthy and one needless war...... What does that have to do with the price of beans in China????
And lastly, a typical LIBERAL view is exactly as you stated to KOAJ..."thats one reason we need health care reform...you wont have to pay anymore..."
Of course, no need to worry about who'll pick up the tab....as long as its FREE for us, right?
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