Public option gets defeated

 

Not having a hard time understanding this at all.  It appears you are thou.  I still dont know why you are so damn concerned with whats happening in our country anyways.  Shouldnt you be worrying about canada.

By the way i guess all those news specials that have been on abc, 40 minutes, cnn about the Canadian health care system being downright awful were all lies and everybody should just believe you that its such a wonderful system.  I sure as hell dont think a system where once a month you get the chance to win a spot on a family doctors patient list  great system you got their ducky

How many towns in the US would you guess had only one family doctor?

How about none?

How many counties in the US have no OB/GYN's to deliver babies- requiring mothers to travel sometimes significant distances for prenatal care and delivery of their infant.

This may well be a problem in Canada- but is also a problem in the rural US-

 

your a complete joke and really should mind your own business.

20/20 AND 60 MINUTES ALONG WITH CNN RAN SPECIALS ABOUT HOW AWFUL THE CANADIAN SYSTEM IS.  If you dont want to believe those specials were on t.v well then thats your problem.  Maybe you can call up those stations and they will send you a tape of the actual shows.

You have no credibilty in this healthcare debate at all, because you know nothing about it.  Also the person that is in charge of the health care for the city govt i used to work at knows alot more about this healthcare stuff then some extreme liberal wing nut from another country.

He's a joke, he always posts this story about Norwood, ON. Even if it is true, which I'm not even sure it is, Norwood is like a town of 500 people, with a huge hospital less than 20 minutes in two directions.

It's a tiny ass town, and if people are in that dire need of doctors they should drive 20 minutes to Peterborough and they'd be fine.

And even if this was true, and all those facilities weren't there, that's in no way shape or form reflective on the overall quality of care within a province, or even province to province.

Not only that but there are real problems with the Canadian healthcare system, that are actual problems and not more laughable propaganda cooked up by the right wing.

Of course I'm not gonna give you guys fuel for the fire so if you'd ever want to know you'd actually have to do some research on it.

Of course then you might learn that we spend close to 9% of our tiny GDP on healthcare, while you spend close to 40% of your massive GDP on healthcare, and ours is ranked better in terms of overall quality of care. In addition, we cover all our citizens, while you have millions of American people denied health insurance and treatement.

- The Boss

Wowza, as predicted by some great forward thinking minds, Obama has been proven to be 'The Great Uniter'

jeez, sounds like everyone everywhere is getting angry, not just a little bit, and maybe that's a good thing,,,maybe that's what it will take to topple these oppressive gov'ts and start over,,,,at least the piss poor shit stain of a gov't we have here in the greatest country the world has ever known.

cd329, what happened to your days of pointing fingers at the me me me generation?  That's all i hear from you is me me me, and my insurance that I earned is gonna be adversely effected so now you decided to just start making a bunch of noise?  Like i said before, the Boomers are the me me me generation, and these problems are a result of their actions.

On public health care in America.  Why does it always immediately deteriorate into 'getting everyone insured'?  Insurance is THE PROBLEM, not the solution.  Why not try these few easy to implement solutions and see how much better the drugcare insurance debate improves.

1.)  Ban health insurance as a part of compensation packages for workers.  What a worker earns should be given directly to them, they should not be at any advantage or disadvantage however you want to look at it.  If American workers were able to see more directly how the 'health care' system works, if they were responsible for themselves and saw firsthand what they were paying for, then they could make better decisions for themselves as individuals  ie. someone that is in good health and takes good care of themselves and doesn't believe in the phony baloney modern medicine drugcare industry can put their money to better use for themselves.

2.) Encourage HSA's and MSA's along with high deductible catastrophe coverage.  Then people would have more control over their own decisions for their own health, ie. they could elect to improve their vision or dental situation if that's what the individual actually needs, rather then neglect those areas because they can't afford to do anything about it when over 10% of their compensation package is automatically directed to the drugcare insurance industry

3.)  Press RESET on the tax deduction/billing disparity bullshit.  No more Doctor billing patient 10k, insurance company paying 3500 and voila everyone except for the patient/taxpayer wins when those two parties swim in that vig while the patient is left with not even enough for taxi fare for a ride to bk court.  THis will certainly help prices come in and drop costs for the entire system.

4.)  Humans life on this planet is finite, and people need to keep that in mind instead of over burdening the system with all the costs to keep the soon-to-be dead 'alive' for another few painful moments/days/months.  Maybe if people weren't so consumed with material bullshit all the time and actually started living life again, rather then wasting it away, they'd be more ready to deal with the fact that we are all going to die someday somehow.  End of life preparedness, if there is such a thing, is as important if not more than the preventative measures some of you tout will save the system so much in costs.

5.)  Maybe the simplest solution, ban insurance altogether.  At least in it's current form. What insurance is there that works?   That works as true 'insurance'?  It surely won't keep you from getting sick, and obviously isn't there to pay for you when you do, so why does everyone feel so strongly about extending that bullshit to every human that breathes air while standing on American soil?  And what is it with peoples proclivity to modern medicine in it's current state, where drugs are used as band-aids and not so often are cures the solutions to diseases, but drugs are used as masking agents for symptoms?  I'd much prefer my labor be given to me free of the chains of the drugcare industry, and my gov't allow me to take my profits to healers that practice real medicine and cures, in the alternative health care industry.  Sadly, it sounds more likely that real medicine will be outlawed and if someone like me is not compliant, i will be fined for not taking their drugs and falling in line with the rest of the masses from the extremely shallow end of the gene pool 


as per HSA's, and high deductible 'catastrophe' 'insurance', imagine the bright ideas the finance industry could dream up with this new pool of capital,,,,,,,it would be a neat-o way of funding research for the doctors if the citizenry could save their own monies and loan it to the medicine industry for R&D,,,,,in some fantasy world there would potentially be a nice opp for some Roi for those involved, on both sides

c'mon cd329, waiting for you to provide us all with that list of all the govt handouts I've stuck my hand out for. I know facts are well down the list of your priorities, but how about you pony up here

you just continue to prove you know absolutely jack shit about politics. You are below bob, equal with esplanade

you are just a parrot, just repeat what you hear. I'll suggest you think for yourself, but I doubt you have the intelligence

you have zero clue

 

How would i ever be able to list what govt handouts you have gotton in life, when i dont know who you are or where you live.

Please at least make some sense when you post.

be easy - a better solution would to ban insurance and move to a cash system outside of catastrophic incidents

costs would go through the floor if people had to pay out of pocket. for $20, 30 i can get 100 tests done if i want to costing thousands of dollars

hey you're the Baby Boomer that got all beside hisself when i would point out how your generation was the me me me generation and have royally fucked my (the younger) generation with your short term thinking and all the me me meing attitude that many Boomers have displayed.  What's any different from you saying that your exceptional insurance is owed you because it was part of your compensation package, and the person who is looking for a break on their phantom income (people employed in many of these tech start-ups, and other industries would take stock options in lieu of salary, well in addition to,,,,,,when the companies stock goes to zero, they are left in the cold.  Do you think that we should all chip in and make sure they are garanteed what is 'rightfully' theirs just because some contract said so?  I think you've said before that you were a fireman, if that's correct, at least from what i've seen they are some of the best paying jobs in the country,,,,,,sorry, i owe you nothing

me me me generation 

be easy, cd numbers had no issue during the last election carrying on about how others should be getting taxes raised, about others carrying the burdon, about others getting the free ride and not him. But now the tables have turned he has his knickers in a twist.

It's ok to change the rules for everyone else, except when he doesn't benefit from the rule changes and may have to pay

 

I'll tell you who is a joke ..that would be a person who can tell you all about the Canadian healthcare system,( after a little toke ) but admits he never has used it or knows how the expenses work............ and say's he has no insight into the way it works, but has heard stories....... ...kewl !

 

The insurance companies are psychotic blood sucking lunatics who don't give A fuck about the people, but than again our government is no different.

So hey guess what, we are doomed!



Doesn't matter.



Our economy is slowly crumbling via the hands of an elite group of central bankers and finance oligarchs.



Our currency is being destroyed on purpose by the Federal Reserve and other interests around the world.



We have been sold out, it is to late, bicker and fight all you want, It is over, we the people have lost.

You know what the worst part is though? The Republicans and Democrats are both to blame, we have all been duped by A duo poly system of central control.

I hope they pass the bill though so that we can give health care to everyone in America, illegally immigrated persons or not, they all seek liberty and freedom.

So if they do pass it, enjoy it, for the last few fleeting months or years of our dying empire.

Cheers!