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    Republican GOV now regrets banning mask mandates as Covid-19 cases and hospitalizations SURGE!

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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2021 - 7:13 PM ET #1

    Republican GOV now regrets banning mask mandates as Covid-19 cases and hospitalizations SURGE!

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    Arkansas Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson said Tuesday he regrets approving a statewide ban on face mask mandates earlier this year and has called the state Legislature into a special session in an effort to amend the law.

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    Republican GOV now regrets banning mask mandates as Covid-19 cases and hospitalizations SURGE!

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    Arkansas Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson said Tuesday he regrets approving a statewide ban on face mask mandates earlier this year and has called the state Legislature into a special session in an effort to amend the law.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2021 - 7:16 PM ET #2

    “In hindsight, I wish that had not become law,” Hutchinson said

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    WHOA!!  I missed this one while watching olympics coverage.

    I know Louisiana has reinstituted mandatory masking and that Florida and Texas are mocking any mere suggestion of covid mitigation.

    I gotta read this about Hutchison....

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    WHOA!!  I missed this one while watching olympics coverage.

    I know Louisiana has reinstituted mandatory masking and that Florida and Texas are mocking any mere suggestion of covid mitigation.

    I gotta read this about Hutchison....

     
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    This isn't funny, so the rolling emoji would be inappropriate.... but it's kind of funny.

    Look, I wasn't necessarily for mask mandates. I was vehemently opposed to them in gyms. Thought they were a minor inconvenience and not a big deal elsewhere. If I was running into the local Freddy's for 10 minutes, I wasn't gonna cry about a mask but I wasn't the, "Oh my god! Everyone must wear a mask guy!" either. However, I believe it should have been left up to each individual business, institution, etc. to make their own policy. And putting a ban on the freedom of a business to conduct business as it sees fit is freaking ridiculous.

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    This isn't funny, so the rolling emoji would be inappropriate.... but it's kind of funny.

    Look, I wasn't necessarily for mask mandates. I was vehemently opposed to them in gyms. Thought they were a minor inconvenience and not a big deal elsewhere. If I was running into the local Freddy's for 10 minutes, I wasn't gonna cry about a mask but I wasn't the, "Oh my god! Everyone must wear a mask guy!" either. However, I believe it should have been left up to each individual business, institution, etc. to make their own policy. And putting a ban on the freedom of a business to conduct business as it sees fit is freaking ridiculous.

     
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    Kay Ivey in Alabama has changed her tune on the vaccine but isn't ready for a mask mandate just yet.

    Most place here have signs "No Mask No Service" on their entrance doors.

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    Kay Ivey in Alabama has changed her tune on the vaccine but isn't ready for a mask mandate just yet.

    Most place here have signs "No Mask No Service" on their entrance doors.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    WHOA!!  I missed this one while watching olympics coverage. I know Louisiana has reinstituted mandatory masking and that Florida and Texas are mocking any mere suggestion of covid mitigation. I gotta read this about Hutchison....

    Ron DeSantis figures out that he can bully the Covid-19? Be wary of chicken coming home to roost, science overwhelms silly politics as well as stupid ideology. DeSantis is even worse than Donald J Trump, but this Florida dude might run this country in 2024? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    WHOA!!  I missed this one while watching olympics coverage. I know Louisiana has reinstituted mandatory masking and that Florida and Texas are mocking any mere suggestion of covid mitigation. I gotta read this about Hutchison....

    Ron DeSantis figures out that he can bully the Covid-19? Be wary of chicken coming home to roost, science overwhelms silly politics as well as stupid ideology. DeSantis is even worse than Donald J Trump, but this Florida dude might run this country in 2024? 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: WHOA!!  I missed this one while watching olympics coverage. I know Louisiana has reinstituted mandatory masking and that Florida and Texas are mocking any mere suggestion of covid mitigation. I gotta read this about Hutchison....

     

     

    Ron DeSantis figures out that he can bully the Covid-19? Be wary of chicken coming home to roost, science overwhelms silly politics as well as stupid ideology. DeSantis is even worse than Donald J Trump, but this Florida dude might run this country in 2024?

    Excellent point, sir peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: WHOA!!  I missed this one while watching olympics coverage. I know Louisiana has reinstituted mandatory masking and that Florida and Texas are mocking any mere suggestion of covid mitigation. I gotta read this about Hutchison....

     

     

    Ron DeSantis figures out that he can bully the Covid-19? Be wary of chicken coming home to roost, science overwhelms silly politics as well as stupid ideology. DeSantis is even worse than Donald J Trump, but this Florida dude might run this country in 2024?

    Excellent point, sir peace_5

     
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    It is easy to blame a politician but all of you in this thread know it is what the average citizen wants, not just the politicians. People wanted to not wear masks and that is why so many got the questionable vaccine. People would rather put this mRNA into their bodies not even knowing what it is doing or what it might do so they can return to their lives and stop wearing masks. I am shocked when I go shopping or do things I need that the high high majority are just back to what they were before, it is a foolish short sided decision to not continue being diligent and protective just because you got a vacc which we do not even know what impact it has going forward or if it will damage us down the road.

    You cant blanket blame a politician but I've noticed down here that people and institutions WILLINGLY follow the removal of a mandate and are extremely hesitant to consider otherwise even with cases increasing.

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    It is easy to blame a politician but all of you in this thread know it is what the average citizen wants, not just the politicians. People wanted to not wear masks and that is why so many got the questionable vaccine. People would rather put this mRNA into their bodies not even knowing what it is doing or what it might do so they can return to their lives and stop wearing masks. I am shocked when I go shopping or do things I need that the high high majority are just back to what they were before, it is a foolish short sided decision to not continue being diligent and protective just because you got a vacc which we do not even know what impact it has going forward or if it will damage us down the road.

    You cant blanket blame a politician but I've noticed down here that people and institutions WILLINGLY follow the removal of a mandate and are extremely hesitant to consider otherwise even with cases increasing.

     
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    democrats are guilty of crimes against humanity. democrats are clueless monsters. biden should resign and surrender himself to law enforcement to face justice.....

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    democrats are guilty of crimes against humanity. democrats are clueless monsters. biden should resign and surrender himself to law enforcement to face justice.....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Republican GOV now regrets banning mask mandates as Covid-19 cases and hospitalizations SURGE! Washington — Arkansas Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson said Tuesday he regrets approving a statewide ban on face mask mandates earlier this year and has called the state Legislature into a special session in an effort to amend the law.
    and democrat govs continue to commit rape and sexual assault while in office........

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Republican GOV now regrets banning mask mandates as Covid-19 cases and hospitalizations SURGE! Washington — Arkansas Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson said Tuesday he regrets approving a statewide ban on face mask mandates earlier this year and has called the state Legislature into a special session in an effort to amend the law.
    and democrat govs continue to commit rape and sexual assault while in office........

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    It is easy to blame a politician but all of you in this thread know it is what the average citizen wants, not just the politicians. People wanted to not wear masks and that is why so many got the questionable vaccine. People would rather put this mRNA into their bodies not even knowing what it is doing or what it might do so they can return to their lives and stop wearing masks. I am shocked when I go shopping or do things I need that the high high majority are just back to what they were before, it is a foolish short sided decision to not continue being diligent and protective just because you got a vacc which we do not even know what impact it has going forward or if it will damage us down the road. You cant blanket blame a politician but I've noticed down here that people and institutions WILLINGLY follow the removal of a mandate and are extremely hesitant to consider otherwise even with cases increasing.

     

    If its so questionable why did so many doctors here in NY sign up their teenagers for trials  months ago ? Many of these same doctors also signed up their children under 12 in the current trials?? 

    Me personally I've lost an uncle , a friend,  and 2 former coworkers to Covid..A relative in Oklahoma now needs a kidney after beating Covid...She joined a support group online where there are many thousands of people who also need a organ transplant...

    I'm not trying to argue , just trying to understand your hesitation 

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    It is easy to blame a politician but all of you in this thread know it is what the average citizen wants, not just the politicians. People wanted to not wear masks and that is why so many got the questionable vaccine. People would rather put this mRNA into their bodies not even knowing what it is doing or what it might do so they can return to their lives and stop wearing masks. I am shocked when I go shopping or do things I need that the high high majority are just back to what they were before, it is a foolish short sided decision to not continue being diligent and protective just because you got a vacc which we do not even know what impact it has going forward or if it will damage us down the road. You cant blanket blame a politician but I've noticed down here that people and institutions WILLINGLY follow the removal of a mandate and are extremely hesitant to consider otherwise even with cases increasing.

     

    If its so questionable why did so many doctors here in NY sign up their teenagers for trials  months ago ? Many of these same doctors also signed up their children under 12 in the current trials?? 

    Me personally I've lost an uncle , a friend,  and 2 former coworkers to Covid..A relative in Oklahoma now needs a kidney after beating Covid...She joined a support group online where there are many thousands of people who also need a organ transplant...

    I'm not trying to argue , just trying to understand your hesitation 

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: It is easy to blame a politician but all of you in this thread know it is what the average citizen wants, not just the politicians. People wanted to not wear masks and that is why so many got the questionable vaccine. People would rather put this mRNA into their bodies not even knowing what it is doing or what it might do so they can return to their lives and stop wearing masks. I am shocked when I go shopping or do things I need that the high high majority are just back to what they were before, it is a foolish short sided decision to not continue being diligent and protective just because you got a vacc which we do not even know what impact it has going forward or if it will damage us down the road. You cant blanket blame a politician but I've noticed down here that people and institutions WILLINGLY follow the removal of a mandate and are extremely hesitant to consider otherwise even with cases increasing.   If its so questionable why did so many doctors here in NY sign up their teenagers for trials  months ago ? Many of these same doctors also signed up their children under 12 in the current trials??  Me personally I've lost an uncle , a friend,  and 2 former coworkers to Covid..A relative in Oklahoma now needs a kidney after beating Covid...She joined a support group online where there are many thousands of people who also need a organ transplant... I'm not trying to argue , just trying to understand your hesitation

    Easy answers...doctors it is their profession and their path, they follow what the institution tells them and they believe it. Their blind belief does not mean all of a sudden mRNA is proven and safe and tested and without issue...no that is not the case at all. I know many who have died or struggled from this and most everyone is similar but that does not mean mRNA is proven and safe, it also does not mean that anyone who takes it can blindly return to their loose style of life. If people want to risk the vacc then that is their choice but the way people are not being careful and are returning to large gatherings is a huge mistake. Too many variables and unknowns to just act as if nothing happened and stop being careful.

    I personally think this mRNA will have consequences in the mid and long term which we will uncover and I am hoping it will not be as bad as chicken pox. I think these were rushed, the results were not evaluated long enough and I question even the figures we were told. In the end the consumer is fully reliant on the truth and accuracy of a group who has full profit motive for creating this and I just do not trust the vacc myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: It is easy to blame a politician but all of you in this thread know it is what the average citizen wants, not just the politicians. People wanted to not wear masks and that is why so many got the questionable vaccine. People would rather put this mRNA into their bodies not even knowing what it is doing or what it might do so they can return to their lives and stop wearing masks. I am shocked when I go shopping or do things I need that the high high majority are just back to what they were before, it is a foolish short sided decision to not continue being diligent and protective just because you got a vacc which we do not even know what impact it has going forward or if it will damage us down the road. You cant blanket blame a politician but I've noticed down here that people and institutions WILLINGLY follow the removal of a mandate and are extremely hesitant to consider otherwise even with cases increasing.   If its so questionable why did so many doctors here in NY sign up their teenagers for trials  months ago ? Many of these same doctors also signed up their children under 12 in the current trials??  Me personally I've lost an uncle , a friend,  and 2 former coworkers to Covid..A relative in Oklahoma now needs a kidney after beating Covid...She joined a support group online where there are many thousands of people who also need a organ transplant... I'm not trying to argue , just trying to understand your hesitation

    Easy answers...doctors it is their profession and their path, they follow what the institution tells them and they believe it. Their blind belief does not mean all of a sudden mRNA is proven and safe and tested and without issue...no that is not the case at all. I know many who have died or struggled from this and most everyone is similar but that does not mean mRNA is proven and safe, it also does not mean that anyone who takes it can blindly return to their loose style of life. If people want to risk the vacc then that is their choice but the way people are not being careful and are returning to large gatherings is a huge mistake. Too many variables and unknowns to just act as if nothing happened and stop being careful.

    I personally think this mRNA will have consequences in the mid and long term which we will uncover and I am hoping it will not be as bad as chicken pox. I think these were rushed, the results were not evaluated long enough and I question even the figures we were told. In the end the consumer is fully reliant on the truth and accuracy of a group who has full profit motive for creating this and I just do not trust the vacc myself.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    it also does not mean that anyone who takes it can blindly return to their loose style of life. If people want to risk the vacc then that is their choice but the way people are not being careful and are returning to large gatherings is a huge mistake. Too many variables and unknowns to just act as if nothing happened and stop being careful. I personally think this mRNA will have consequences in the mid and long term which we will uncover and I am hoping it will not be as bad as chicken pox. I think these were rushed, the results were not evaluated long enough and I question even the figures we were told. In the end the consumer is fully reliant on the truth and accuracy of a group who has full profit motive for creating this and I just do not trust the vacc myself.

    Excellent points as usual   peace_5

    The vaccines *WERE* definitely rushed.....and we know who was responsible for
    desperately "rushing them" prior to the Nov presidential election.
    That fact being obvious, it does not necessarily imply that because they were rushed
    then the trump-vaccines are a high risk for being harmful. For all we know,
    researchers at competing laboratories may have got lucky and discovered decent formulas
    far earlier than normally anticipated, which are safe and effective!
    The early trials appear to have shown that, so they got emergency approval in what we
    might describe as "deperate times call for desperate measures"

    So far the available evidence shows trump-vaccines have indeed disappointed in
    the "hoped for" ability to completely prevent any and all infection.
    But most importantly, HAVE shown to be highly effective in preventing deaths
    and severe illness of THE ORIGINAL STRAIN of COVID-19.
    We will note the efficacy was NEVER promised to be 100% - but even at 90-95% -
    against the original strain - researchers inform us that in their field that is a
    remarkable success given the incredibly short timeline!

    BUT, now we have the DELTA and LAMDA variants to deal with - for which the current
    trump-vaccines were *NOT* specifically developed. Luckily the vaccines appear to
    provide significant (though not perfect!) protection from severe illness from those.
    The DELTA seems to spread among vaxxed and UNvaxxed almost equally - although
    the vaxxed are LARGELY protected from severe illness/death. UNvaxxed are not.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    it also does not mean that anyone who takes it can blindly return to their loose style of life. If people want to risk the vacc then that is their choice but the way people are not being careful and are returning to large gatherings is a huge mistake. Too many variables and unknowns to just act as if nothing happened and stop being careful. I personally think this mRNA will have consequences in the mid and long term which we will uncover and I am hoping it will not be as bad as chicken pox. I think these were rushed, the results were not evaluated long enough and I question even the figures we were told. In the end the consumer is fully reliant on the truth and accuracy of a group who has full profit motive for creating this and I just do not trust the vacc myself.

    Excellent points as usual   peace_5

    The vaccines *WERE* definitely rushed.....and we know who was responsible for
    desperately "rushing them" prior to the Nov presidential election.
    That fact being obvious, it does not necessarily imply that because they were rushed
    then the trump-vaccines are a high risk for being harmful. For all we know,
    researchers at competing laboratories may have got lucky and discovered decent formulas
    far earlier than normally anticipated, which are safe and effective!
    The early trials appear to have shown that, so they got emergency approval in what we
    might describe as "deperate times call for desperate measures"

    So far the available evidence shows trump-vaccines have indeed disappointed in
    the "hoped for" ability to completely prevent any and all infection.
    But most importantly, HAVE shown to be highly effective in preventing deaths
    and severe illness of THE ORIGINAL STRAIN of COVID-19.
    We will note the efficacy was NEVER promised to be 100% - but even at 90-95% -
    against the original strain - researchers inform us that in their field that is a
    remarkable success given the incredibly short timeline!

    BUT, now we have the DELTA and LAMDA variants to deal with - for which the current
    trump-vaccines were *NOT* specifically developed. Luckily the vaccines appear to
    provide significant (though not perfect!) protection from severe illness from those.
    The DELTA seems to spread among vaxxed and UNvaxxed almost equally - although
    the vaxxed are LARGELY protected from severe illness/death. UNvaxxed are not.

     

     

     
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    continued........

    However, as those strains mutate further, literally weekly, I am NOT optimistic
    that the current vaccines will provide ANY protection at all from, infection, severe illness,
    and deaths. Boosters are unlikely to help much against *newly mutated* strains.
    Soon those variants will mutate so much that in effect they are akin to a whole new virus
    and we will need completely new vaccines.

    So while (for now at least) the trump-vaccines largely prevent severe illness/death from
    original covid and DELTA - which is key - they don't appear to stop the spread.
    The virus spreads through breath - specifically when an infected person - even a VAXXED
    infected person - breathes OUT when in close proximity to others.
    Wearing a mask only helps a little from getting infected, because we still must inhale the
    same volume of air that surrounds us - with or w/o a mask and if that surrounding air
    has microscopic air-borne DELTA virus - then we *WILL* get infected.
          But the only way that surrounding air we inhale could possibly HAVE microscopic
    air-borne DELTA virus to begin with is if some azzHole near us:
    a)   is infected but doesn't know it, and
    b)   refuses to wear a mask to prevent the microscopic air-borne DELTA virus in his
          breath from propelling forward within OUR air space.
          Studies have shown that NOT wearing a mask allows YOUR INFECTED BREATH
          to propel a distance of about 6 feet into another's air space.
    But wearing a mask reduces the propellant of INFECTED BREATH to less than 2 feet!

    Thus, what works at stopping the spread is mitigation measures -
    when actually followed by *EVERBODY*
    Mitigation measures WILL NOT WORK when half the population REFUSES.
    Just like in football - if all the players follow their assignments the offense WORKS!
    But if 2 or 3 players decide to do something else - the offense collapses.
    That's when dumbass Governors go on television to proclaim "masking doesn't work."

    We must mask EVEN WHEN FULLY VAXXED and in a low risk group *BECAUSE*
    we could still very well be carriers/spreaders of the disease. Masking (with efficient
    masks of course) prevents your infected breath from entering people's air space -
    especially when combined with social distancing (6 feet minimum, even when just
    passing by others)

    The dummies in our society mistakenly think that masking is ONLY to protect THEM -
    so they should have the right to REFUSE to mask if they are willing to accept the
    risks to themselves, completely missing the point that masking is *MOSTLY* intended
    to protect OTHERS. Much like some might think it is an affront to their "freedoms"
    when strict laws are put in place across the country regarding driving while drunk.
    Your car/your body - should be YOUR CHOICE, right ?!
    And yet nearly all of us agree it's not only a serious offense it's a CRIMINAL offense!
    Why is that?
    Why has our society unanimously ruled that drunk driving is a CRIMINAL offense?
    It restricts our "freedom" to do whatever the hell we want, whenever we want!
    There should be NO restriction to driving on public streets while intoxicated, right?!
    Afterall, "My body, my car - my choice!"
    This is an outrage, right?!!
    Clearly restricting us from driving while drunk is just another part of the larger
    Liberal, socialist agenda forced upon us by Pelosi, Biden, Rachel Maddow,
    Black Lives Matter, CNN, Bill Mueller, and of course the Chinese (just because)

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    However, as those strains mutate further, literally weekly, I am NOT optimistic
    that the current vaccines will provide ANY protection at all from, infection, severe illness,
    and deaths. Boosters are unlikely to help much against *newly mutated* strains.
    Soon those variants will mutate so much that in effect they are akin to a whole new virus
    and we will need completely new vaccines.

    So while (for now at least) the trump-vaccines largely prevent severe illness/death from
    original covid and DELTA - which is key - they don't appear to stop the spread.
    The virus spreads through breath - specifically when an infected person - even a VAXXED
    infected person - breathes OUT when in close proximity to others.
    Wearing a mask only helps a little from getting infected, because we still must inhale the
    same volume of air that surrounds us - with or w/o a mask and if that surrounding air
    has microscopic air-borne DELTA virus - then we *WILL* get infected.
          But the only way that surrounding air we inhale could possibly HAVE microscopic
    air-borne DELTA virus to begin with is if some azzHole near us:
    a)   is infected but doesn't know it, and
    b)   refuses to wear a mask to prevent the microscopic air-borne DELTA virus in his
          breath from propelling forward within OUR air space.
          Studies have shown that NOT wearing a mask allows YOUR INFECTED BREATH
          to propel a distance of about 6 feet into another's air space.
    But wearing a mask reduces the propellant of INFECTED BREATH to less than 2 feet!

    Thus, what works at stopping the spread is mitigation measures -
    when actually followed by *EVERBODY*
    Mitigation measures WILL NOT WORK when half the population REFUSES.
    Just like in football - if all the players follow their assignments the offense WORKS!
    But if 2 or 3 players decide to do something else - the offense collapses.
    That's when dumbass Governors go on television to proclaim "masking doesn't work."

    We must mask EVEN WHEN FULLY VAXXED and in a low risk group *BECAUSE*
    we could still very well be carriers/spreaders of the disease. Masking (with efficient
    masks of course) prevents your infected breath from entering people's air space -
    especially when combined with social distancing (6 feet minimum, even when just
    passing by others)

    The dummies in our society mistakenly think that masking is ONLY to protect THEM -
    so they should have the right to REFUSE to mask if they are willing to accept the
    risks to themselves, completely missing the point that masking is *MOSTLY* intended
    to protect OTHERS. Much like some might think it is an affront to their "freedoms"
    when strict laws are put in place across the country regarding driving while drunk.
    Your car/your body - should be YOUR CHOICE, right ?!
    And yet nearly all of us agree it's not only a serious offense it's a CRIMINAL offense!
    Why is that?
    Why has our society unanimously ruled that drunk driving is a CRIMINAL offense?
    It restricts our "freedom" to do whatever the hell we want, whenever we want!
    There should be NO restriction to driving on public streets while intoxicated, right?!
    Afterall, "My body, my car - my choice!"
    This is an outrage, right?!!
    Clearly restricting us from driving while drunk is just another part of the larger
    Liberal, socialist agenda forced upon us by Pelosi, Biden, Rachel Maddow,
    Black Lives Matter, CNN, Bill Mueller, and of course the Chinese (just because)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    it also does not mean that anyone who takes it can blindly return to their loose style of life. If people want to risk the vacc then that is their choice but the way people are not being careful and are returning to large gatherings is a huge mistake. Too many variables and unknowns to just act as if nothing happened and stop being careful. I personally think this mRNA will have consequences in the mid and long term which we will uncover and I am hoping it will not be as bad as chicken pox. I think these were rushed, the results were not evaluated long enough and I question even the figures we were told. In the end the consumer is fully reliant on the truth and accuracy of a group who has full profit motive for creating this and I just do not trust the vacc myself.

     

    Excellent points as usual   peace_5

    The vaccines *WERE* definitely rushed.....and we know who was responsible for
    desperately "rushing them" prior to the Nov presidential election.
    That fact being obvious, it does not necessarily imply that because they were rushed
    then the trump-vaccines are a high risk for being harmful. For all we know,
    researchers at competing laboratories may have got lucky and discovered decent formulas
    far earlier than normally anticipated, which are safe and effective!
    The early trials appear to have shown that, so they got emergency approval in what we
    might describe as "deperate times call for desperate measures"

    So far the available evidence shows trump-vaccines have indeed disappointed in
    the "hoped for" ability to completely prevent any and all infection.
    But most importantly, HAVE shown to be highly effective in preventing deaths
    and severe illness of THE ORIGINAL STRAIN of COVID-19.
    We will note the efficacy was NEVER promised to be 100% - but even at 90-95% -
    against the original strain - researchers inform us that in their field that is a
    remarkable success given the incredibly short timeline!

    BUT, now we have the DELTA and LAMDA variants to deal with - for which the current
    trump-vaccines were *NOT* specifically developed. Luckily the vaccines appear to
    provide significant (though not perfect!) protection from severe illness from those.
    The DELTA seems to spread among vaxxed and UNvaxxed almost equally - although
    the vaxxed are LARGELY protected from severe illness/death. UNvaxxed are not.

    delta is like a whole new ballgame .

    i dont see any of this ending until maybe next august 2022 or possibly christmas 2022

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    it also does not mean that anyone who takes it can blindly return to their loose style of life. If people want to risk the vacc then that is their choice but the way people are not being careful and are returning to large gatherings is a huge mistake. Too many variables and unknowns to just act as if nothing happened and stop being careful. I personally think this mRNA will have consequences in the mid and long term which we will uncover and I am hoping it will not be as bad as chicken pox. I think these were rushed, the results were not evaluated long enough and I question even the figures we were told. In the end the consumer is fully reliant on the truth and accuracy of a group who has full profit motive for creating this and I just do not trust the vacc myself.

     

    Excellent points as usual   peace_5

    The vaccines *WERE* definitely rushed.....and we know who was responsible for
    desperately "rushing them" prior to the Nov presidential election.
    That fact being obvious, it does not necessarily imply that because they were rushed
    then the trump-vaccines are a high risk for being harmful. For all we know,
    researchers at competing laboratories may have got lucky and discovered decent formulas
    far earlier than normally anticipated, which are safe and effective!
    The early trials appear to have shown that, so they got emergency approval in what we
    might describe as "deperate times call for desperate measures"

    So far the available evidence shows trump-vaccines have indeed disappointed in
    the "hoped for" ability to completely prevent any and all infection.
    But most importantly, HAVE shown to be highly effective in preventing deaths
    and severe illness of THE ORIGINAL STRAIN of COVID-19.
    We will note the efficacy was NEVER promised to be 100% - but even at 90-95% -
    against the original strain - researchers inform us that in their field that is a
    remarkable success given the incredibly short timeline!

    BUT, now we have the DELTA and LAMDA variants to deal with - for which the current
    trump-vaccines were *NOT* specifically developed. Luckily the vaccines appear to
    provide significant (though not perfect!) protection from severe illness from those.
    The DELTA seems to spread among vaxxed and UNvaxxed almost equally - although
    the vaxxed are LARGELY protected from severe illness/death. UNvaxxed are not.

    delta is like a whole new ballgame .

    i dont see any of this ending until maybe next august 2022 or possibly christmas 2022

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    So while (for now at least) the trump-vaccines largely prevent severe illness/death from
    original covid and DELTA - which is key - they don't appear to stop the spread.
    The virus spreads through breath - specifically when an infected person - even a VAXXED
    infected person - breathes OUT when in close proximity to others.
    Wearing a mask only helps a little from getting infected, because we still must inhale the
    same volume of air that surrounds us - with or w/o a mask and if that surrounding air
    has microscopic air-borne DELTA virus - then we *WILL* get infected.
          But the only way that surrounding air we inhale could possibly HAVE microscopic
    air-borne DELTA virus to begin with is if some azzHole near us:
    a)   is infected but doesn't know it, and
    b)   refuses to wear a mask to prevent the microscopic air-borne DELTA virus in his
          breath from propelling forward within OUR air space.
          Studies have shown that NOT wearing a mask allows YOUR INFECTED BREATH
          to propel a distance of about 6 feet into another's air space.
    But wearing a mask reduces the propellant of INFECTED BREATH to less than 2 feet!

    Thus, what works at stopping the spread is mitigation measures -
    when actually followed by *EVERBODY*
    Mitigation measures WILL NOT WORK when half the population REFUSES.
    Just like in football - if all the players follow their assignments the offense WORKS!
    But if 2 or 3 players decide to do something else - the offense collapses.
    That's when dumbass Governors go on television to proclaim "masking doesn't work."

    well said  

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    So while (for now at least) the trump-vaccines largely prevent severe illness/death from
    original covid and DELTA - which is key - they don't appear to stop the spread.
    The virus spreads through breath - specifically when an infected person - even a VAXXED
    infected person - breathes OUT when in close proximity to others.
    Wearing a mask only helps a little from getting infected, because we still must inhale the
    same volume of air that surrounds us - with or w/o a mask and if that surrounding air
    has microscopic air-borne DELTA virus - then we *WILL* get infected.
          But the only way that surrounding air we inhale could possibly HAVE microscopic
    air-borne DELTA virus to begin with is if some azzHole near us:
    a)   is infected but doesn't know it, and
    b)   refuses to wear a mask to prevent the microscopic air-borne DELTA virus in his
          breath from propelling forward within OUR air space.
          Studies have shown that NOT wearing a mask allows YOUR INFECTED BREATH
          to propel a distance of about 6 feet into another's air space.
    But wearing a mask reduces the propellant of INFECTED BREATH to less than 2 feet!

    Thus, what works at stopping the spread is mitigation measures -
    when actually followed by *EVERBODY*
    Mitigation measures WILL NOT WORK when half the population REFUSES.
    Just like in football - if all the players follow their assignments the offense WORKS!
    But if 2 or 3 players decide to do something else - the offense collapses.
    That's when dumbass Governors go on television to proclaim "masking doesn't work."

    well said  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    That's when dumbass Governors go on television to proclaim "masking doesn't work."

     

    We must mask EVEN WHEN FULLY VAXXED and in a low risk group *BECAUSE*
    we could still very well be carriers/spreaders of the disease. Masking (with efficient
    masks of course) prevents your infected breath from entering people's air space -
    especially when combined with social distancing (6 feet minimum, even when just
    passing by others)

     

    exactly  thumbs_up

     

     

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    That's when dumbass Governors go on television to proclaim "masking doesn't work."

     

    We must mask EVEN WHEN FULLY VAXXED and in a low risk group *BECAUSE*
    we could still very well be carriers/spreaders of the disease. Masking (with efficient
    masks of course) prevents your infected breath from entering people's air space -
    especially when combined with social distancing (6 feet minimum, even when just
    passing by others)

     

    exactly  thumbs_up

     

     

     
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    YAHOO NEWS
    MIAMI — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis snapped this week at a reporter
    who asked if masks might help keep children safe in a state that
    now has more COVID-19 hospitalizations, including for pediatric patients,
    than anywhere else in the nation.

    He blamed President Biden’s purported failure to control the spread


    DeSantis has been unyielding in his approach to the pandemic,
    refusing to change course or impose restrictions
    despite uncontrolled spread and spiking hospitalizations

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    MIAMI — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis snapped this week at a reporter
    who asked if masks might help keep children safe in a state that
    now has more COVID-19 hospitalizations, including for pediatric patients,
    than anywhere else in the nation.

    He blamed President Biden’s purported failure to control the spread


    DeSantis has been unyielding in his approach to the pandemic,
    refusing to change course or impose restrictions
    despite uncontrolled spread and spiking hospitalizations

     
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    GOP official who mocked masks and vaccine dies from virus

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/08/06/covid-19-skeptic-death-foreman-vpx.cnn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/08/06/covid-19-skeptic-death-foreman-vpx.cnn

    peace

     

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    i hate to see anyone die even from their own stupidity         

     

     

     
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    I’m old enough to remember when Biden said he would shut down the virus if he won. 

    Waiting for the fact checkers to fact check that statement. 

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    I’m old enough to remember when Biden said he would shut down the virus if he won. 

    Waiting for the fact checkers to fact check that statement. 

    sleep2

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I’m old enough to remember when Biden said he would shut down the virus if he won.  Waiting for the fact checkers to fact check that statement.

    "adolf" trump said the same thing about the virus last year. an_light

     

    Today over 615,000 Americans are dead largely as a direct result of trump's mismanagement.

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    I’m old enough to remember when Biden said he would shut down the virus if he won.  Waiting for the fact checkers to fact check that statement.

    "adolf" trump said the same thing about the virus last year. an_light

     

    Today over 615,000 Americans are dead largely as a direct result of trump's mismanagement.

     
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    Florida's Covid surge is spreading to children

    'We've never seen numbers like this before,' health expert says
    as Gov. DeSantis doubles down on banning mask mandates in schools

    Florida, which has the second-highest rate of new cases per capita after Louisiana, children's hospitals and staff are "overwhelmed," said Dr. Aileen Marty, an infectious disease expert at Florida International University.
    "The numbers of cases in our hospitals in children and our children's hospitals are completely overwhelmed," Marty told CNN's Jim Sciutto on Friday evening.

    "Our pediatricians, the nursing, the staff are exhausted, and the children are suffering. And it is absolutely devastating. ... Our children are very much affected. We've never seen numbers like this before," she said.

    Marty noted that Nicklaus Children's Hospital in Miami is at 116% occupancy for Covid-19 patients.

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    as Gov. DeSantis doubles down on banning mask mandates in schools

    Florida, which has the second-highest rate of new cases per capita after Louisiana, children's hospitals and staff are "overwhelmed," said Dr. Aileen Marty, an infectious disease expert at Florida International University.
    "The numbers of cases in our hospitals in children and our children's hospitals are completely overwhelmed," Marty told CNN's Jim Sciutto on Friday evening.

    "Our pediatricians, the nursing, the staff are exhausted, and the children are suffering. And it is absolutely devastating. ... Our children are very much affected. We've never seen numbers like this before," she said.

    Marty noted that Nicklaus Children's Hospital in Miami is at 116% occupancy for Covid-19 patients.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Florida's Covid surge is spreading to children

    'We've never seen numbers like this before,' health expert says

     

    A surge in Covid-19 cases and hospitalizations, fueled by the rapid spread of the Delta coronavirus variant, is happening in the US as millions of children are returning to schools.

    "We have not seen kids pile into pediatric ICUs across the South like we're seeing right now," Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine

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    'We've never seen numbers like this before,' health expert says

     

    A surge in Covid-19 cases and hospitalizations, fueled by the rapid spread of the Delta coronavirus variant, is happening in the US as millions of children are returning to schools.

    "We have not seen kids pile into pediatric ICUs across the South like we're seeing right now," Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine

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