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#76
Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
Actually it wasn't a strawman but there are plenty of politicans who suggest just that.
No there aren't, and you can't name a single one.
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Say it isn't so Joe !!
Posted:
#77
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Exactly..
You have nothing but insults and emoticons. You stated facts and figures..you did not supply facts and figures. You provided opinion and subjection.
Funny?
Facts and figures were provided in post #60.
And again, I've provided them to you in previous discussions over and over.
You can pretend whatever you want.
Knock yourself out.
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Posted:
#78
Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
Actually it wasn't a strawman but there are plenty of politicans who suggest just that.
But your "Dem plan bad, Republican plan God" was your very expected touch.
Then again, if a Republican told you that preventative care prevents heart attacks, you would take it was gospel.
Notice how I commented on the problems with ObamaCare.
Notice how you are utterly incapable of criticizing anything Republican in health care.
You couldn't articulate what type of "preventive care" would prevent a heart attack. Which is why you're now busy posting rolling heads and more and more straw men.
I do rather enjoy that you think you making up figures about CBO projections and ObamaCare shows a "criticism"
Of course, since you really don't know this topic at all, as indicated by your posts, I wouldn't expect any less.
Thanks for living up to type. It is always fun to watch.
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Posted:
#79
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
14,
14,
What good does a low premium, high deduct plan serve anyway? It is insurance. Most of the time you dont need it, but if you get seriously injured you are "covered"
The concept behind healthcare is to actually provide healthcare. Thats what many think. However, healthcare is set up to take care of the weakest in our society (and of course the random terrible accidents healthy people get into). Our nation cant take care of all the sick people ....there are too many and too many whiners and leeches.
There has to be some sort of baseline to the program, so why is it a shock when garbage plans are not considered within the program? They arent offering any real healthcare..U think this plan, adding MILLIONS more patients to an already overwhelmed system is gonna provide "real healthcare"?
And what happens when people who have garbage plans actually need coverage? "Need" is the key word.
I hope that wagging finger is for yourself, because you dont know what you are talking about.
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Posted:
#80
Speaking of the CBO:
CBO and JCT now estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA will have a net cost of $1,168 billion over the 2012–2022 period—
For all of that spending we get:
- 30 Million still without health insurance
- 7 million losing their employer sponsored health insurance (it will be more)
- How many people losing income because of this law - employers cutting hours due to ObamaCare
- More expensive insurance and medical treatments (according to the CMS actuary)
This is where I don't understand why the "we had (have) to do something!!" crowd is coming from.
We did something, and the above is what we are getting. Never mind that Obama said the law would 'bend the cost curve downward' which was a total lie.
Which I guess is why they're trying to say "where is the Republican plan?!" (as if a Republican plan would be supported by the President or Senate) or otherwise ignoring all of this.
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Posted:
#81
CMS notes that, “Numerous studies have demonstrated that individuals and families with health insurance use more health services than otherwise-similar persons without insurance.”
Yes, expanding coverage will mean greater usage of health care services, making such services more expensive.
So when you get your ObamaCare card and you can't afford an eye exam, people like Wall Street will blame the insurance companies.
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Posted:
#83
Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Speaking of the CBO:
Speaking of the CBO:
CBO and JCT now estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA will have a net cost of $1,168 billion over the 2012–2022 period—
For all of that spending we get:
- 30 Million still without health insurance
- 7 million losing their employer sponsored health insurance (it will be more)
- How many people losing income because of this law - employers cutting hours due to ObamaCare
- More expensive insurance and medical treatments (according to the CMS actuary)
This is where I don't understand why the "we had (have) to do something!!" crowd is coming from.
We did something, and the above is what we are getting. Never mind that Obama said the law would 'bend the cost curve downward' which was a total lie.
Which I guess is why they're trying to say "where is the Republican plan?!" (as if a Republican plan would be supported by the President or Senate) or otherwise ignoring all of this.
Total copout..where EVER has their been a GOP plan outside debating and finger pointing?
Show any of us a plan your side floated in this last 10 yrs plus?
Its easy to b!tch, much tougher to bring a better proposal to the table.
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Posted:
#84
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Total copout..where EVER has their been a GOP plan outside debating and finger pointing?
Show any of us a plan your side floated in this last 10 yrs plus?
Its easy to b!tch, much tougher to bring a better proposal to the table.
A "total cop-out" is when you try and change the subject from what is the current law, ObamaCare, to a silly "where is the Republican plan!?" mantra. A republican plan has zero chance of ever being put into law while the current President is in office so bringing it up is a weak attempt at distracting from the utter disaster that is the current law of the land, ObamaCare.
Again, there was a Republican plan, links were provided to it, and you pretending no such thing happened isn't responsive to those facts.
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Posted:
#86
Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
This is completely unrealistic.
First, heart attacks are not brought on by lack of "preventive care" with any great frequency in America.
https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2012/11_0298.htm
We can start here.....
More to follow.....
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Posted:
#87
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15215787
Simple tests that can be performed during preventive care screenings.
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Posted:
#89
Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:
https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2012/11_0298.htm
We can start here.....
More to follow.....
Since I wasn't specificially talking about Hispanics, (We used data collected prospectively from CCHC participants from 2003 to 2008 (8). Participants were aged 18 years or older and were randomly selected from Mexican American households in Brownsville, Texas..Among the 2,000 participants studied, the weighted prevalence of diabetes was 30.7%, hypertension, 30.5%, and hypercholesterolemia, 48.2%)
and the link you provided does not in any way demonstrate that there are a large % of heart attacks taking place in America due to a lack of "preventive care" please, please, don't follow up. It will only get worse for you.
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Posted:
#90
https://www.framingham.com/heart/timeline.htm
Risk factors noted are easily identified at a routine screening evaluation-
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Posted:
#91
Since there seems to be a misunderstanding of a straight-forward, plainly written sentence, let me help with the assist of the dummies at the Mayo Clinic
Preventing heart attacks:
- Not smoking
- Controlling certain conditions, such as high blood pressure, high cholesterol and diabetes
- Staying physically active
- Eating healthy foods
- Maintaining a healthy weight
- Reducing and managing stress
As we see, 4 of the 5 suggestions have nothing to do with seeing a a doctor so I eagerly await any studies or data estimating the % of people in America who have heart attacks due to lack of preventive care.
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Posted:
#93
Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Since there seems to be a misunderstanding of a straight-forward, plainly written sentence, let me help with the assist of the dummies at the Mayo Clinic
Preventing heart attacks:
- Not smoking
- Controlling certain conditions, such as high blood pressure, high cholesterol and diabetes
- Staying physically active
- Eating healthy foods
- Maintaining a healthy weight
- Reducing and managing stress
As we see, 4 of the 5 suggestions have nothing to do with seeing a a doctor so I eagerly await any studies or data estimating the % of people in America who have heart attacks due to lack of preventive care.
How exactly would you propose identifying and controlling high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and diabetes?
Are these do-it-yourself kits?
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Posted:
#96
Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Since there seems to be a misunderstanding of a straight-forward, plainly written sentence, let me help with the assist of the dummies at the Mayo Clinic
Preventing heart attacks:
- Not smoking
- Controlling certain conditions, such as high blood pressure, high cholesterol and diabetes
- Staying physically active
- Eating healthy foods
- Maintaining a healthy weight
- Reducing and managing stress
As we see, 4 of the 5 suggestions have nothing to do with seeing a a doctor so I eagerly await any studies or data estimating the % of people in America who have heart attacks due to lack of preventive care.
Do people know they have these conditions or are they identified in preventative care?
You are beclowning yourself.
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Posted:
#97
Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Please wake me up when you can address what I actually said.
You are surely right.
Preventative care won't decrease heart attacks, strokes, won't diagnose cancer before it reaches terminal stages, won't identify risks for other ailments based on blood pressure, heart rate, bllod work, heredity, etc.
I will save you the need to type "strawman" so you can just copy and paste since that is your answer when you don't have one.
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Posted:
#98
Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Since there seems to be a misunderstanding of a straight-forward, plainly written sentence, let me help with the assist of the dummies at the Mayo Clinic
Preventing heart attacks:
- Not smoking
- Controlling certain conditions, such as high blood pressure, high cholesterol and diabetes
- Staying physically active
- Eating healthy foods
- Maintaining a healthy weight
- Reducing and managing stress
As we see, 4 of the 5 suggestions have nothing to do with seeing a a doctor so I eagerly await any studies or data estimating the % of people in America who have heart attacks due to lack of preventive care.
Can you at least acknowledge that early identification and treatment of cardiovascular risk factors decreases the incidence of cardiovascular events and decreases the progression of cardiovascular disease?
I didn't think I would have to connect the dots for you....
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Posted:
#100
Federal works don't want to be part of Obamacare...including the IRS union who will the enforcers of Obamacare’s individual mandate and eligibility for the exchange subsidies..
Labor unions who helped push Obamacare don't want part of Ocamacare ..
Small and medium-sized businesses don't want part of Obamacare..
The law makers in Congress and their staff/aides who wrote and passed Obamacare do not want to be part of Obamacare system..
If the concept of Obamacare was to reform the health care industry and provide affordable health insurance to all Americans ..why doesn't anyone want to be a part of it ?
Labor unions who helped push Obamacare don't want part of Ocamacare ..
Small and medium-sized businesses don't want part of Obamacare..
The law makers in Congress and their staff/aides who wrote and passed Obamacare do not want to be part of Obamacare system..
If the concept of Obamacare was to reform the health care industry and provide affordable health insurance to all Americans ..why doesn't anyone want to be a part of it ?
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