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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
@joe pockets That's a fair answer. I think there is more to it than simply that. I think some white liberals have what I have at times termed 'white savior syndrome', an oft subconscious ideology shared by some white liberals, and I put extreme emphasis on some out of respect for some of the members of this forum, who I do not believe share this ideology, consciously or subconsciously. I think this syndrome predates emancipation. And is essentially expressed as such: "I intend to do right by black people but in spite of themselves. I will do for them as they cannot do for themselves. I will think for them as they cannot think for themselves." Now the doing is tricky, and a slippery slope. This is still a white majority country. So emancipation does not happen without the contributions of white people. The civil rights movement doesn't happen without the contributions of white people. The thinking is another thing altogether. And there exist the narrative, that black people contribute to ourselves, that if you don't act a certain way, talk a certain way, listen to a certain kind of music, then you aren't black. We're the only race of people where this exist. Even extremely traditional cultures, East Indians, East Asians, Nigerians, they may not approve of certain cultural choices, but those choices wouldn't amount to a person being barred from the race. A Japanese family isn't going to consider their son no longer Japanese is he listens to 2 Chainz. As it relates to politics, there exist this narrative that if you aren't lockstep with the Democratic party, you either are ignorant, literally incapable of thinking for yourself, or suffering from some sort of dysmorphia. You literally don't know what race you are. So when Joe Biden says something like, I'm paraphrasing, "If you don't vote for Biden, you ain't black!" it's saying, "You're incapable not even just making your own decisions politically. You're not afforded the right to say, "X candidate more aligns with my beliefs." You have to choose this person. There are plenty of poor, white Americans who vote down ballot against their own interests but the notion still stands, they are afforded that right to choice. No one admonishes them for making the choice they see fit. And when Biden says so much, and does it with that "I speak jive" thing he does, I just can't help blows my mind that it's considered ok. He does and says so much that could be considered racist but gets a pass but yet here someone will assert that Trump can't even be bothered to respect someone, simply because they are black, even though nothing in his past track record supports this.
@joe pockets That's a fair answer. I think there is more to it than simply that. I think some white liberals have what I have at times termed 'white savior syndrome', an oft subconscious ideology shared by some white liberals, and I put extreme emphasis on some out of respect for some of the members of this forum, who I do not believe share this ideology, consciously or subconsciously. I think this syndrome predates emancipation. And is essentially expressed as such: "I intend to do right by black people but in spite of themselves. I will do for them as they cannot do for themselves. I will think for them as they cannot think for themselves." Now the doing is tricky, and a slippery slope. This is still a white majority country. So emancipation does not happen without the contributions of white people. The civil rights movement doesn't happen without the contributions of white people. The thinking is another thing altogether. And there exist the narrative, that black people contribute to ourselves, that if you don't act a certain way, talk a certain way, listen to a certain kind of music, then you aren't black. We're the only race of people where this exist. Even extremely traditional cultures, East Indians, East Asians, Nigerians, they may not approve of certain cultural choices, but those choices wouldn't amount to a person being barred from the race. A Japanese family isn't going to consider their son no longer Japanese is he listens to 2 Chainz. As it relates to politics, there exist this narrative that if you aren't lockstep with the Democratic party, you either are ignorant, literally incapable of thinking for yourself, or suffering from some sort of dysmorphia. You literally don't know what race you are. So when Joe Biden says something like, I'm paraphrasing, "If you don't vote for Biden, you ain't black!" it's saying, "You're incapable not even just making your own decisions politically. You're not afforded the right to say, "X candidate more aligns with my beliefs." You have to choose this person. There are plenty of poor, white Americans who vote down ballot against their own interests but the notion still stands, they are afforded that right to choice. No one admonishes them for making the choice they see fit. And when Biden says so much, and does it with that "I speak jive" thing he does, I just can't help blows my mind that it's considered ok. He does and says so much that could be considered racist but gets a pass but yet here someone will assert that Trump can't even be bothered to respect someone, simply because they are black, even though nothing in his past track record supports this.
Gee, when I think back, the white people around me who are using the n-word aren’t liberal. They’re those who back Team Red, whether or not they vote or not.
I don’t use and never have used the n word, always felt my black friends over the years wouldn’t be cool with that. I know that’s tough for some people to understand.
I also wouldn’t call black people “The Blacks” like Trump does. Just sounds like a 75-year-old boomer who is out of touch.
... As Obama said “Never underestimate Joes ability to F……Screw things up” ….! I’ll still take Joe over Bone spurs! 
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