Trump is either financially indebted to or compromised by Putin and minions . The only difference this term, Trump isn't trying to hide his alliance with Russia. khrushchev said he would bury us in 1961 ! He was wrong The Trump family will!…..Sooner or later this crap will not flush with the American people!
@joe pockets
Yup! Very strong probability!
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Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:
Trump is either financially indebted to or compromised by Putin and minions . The only difference this term, Trump isn't trying to hide his alliance with Russia. khrushchev said he would bury us in 1961 ! He was wrong The Trump family will!…..Sooner or later this crap will not flush with the American people!
@joe pockets European military support for Ukraine in face of United States' dishonor for not supporting treaty of 1994. Budapest Memorandum. It is not some straight forward treaty where one side agrees to X and the other Y. It's interesting, complexities across the board. Read up on it in some more detail. How the US acted with Russia's first violation in 2014 vs. the 2022 violation. You will see the US has honored its agreement in both cases, and Trump is continuing to fiddle around doing the same thing. Europe on the other hand is in no shape financially or militarily to do anything of significance in providing the level of aid needed. They can borrow a bill here and a bill there, like what they have done recently, to send over there but long term it will take significant time for them to build the military aid required to continue aiding Ukraine. Bigger issue is human capital. Ukraine is running dry. Europeans will need to foot this bill with blood capital. So then you have a scenario where Russia bleeds Europe dry from monetary capital and human capital. Is that what Putin is hoping for next?? I know Europe isn't.
The consensus was that the Budapest Memorandum only obligated the other signatories - Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States - to not invade Ukraine in exchange for them giving up nuclear weapons. It did not obligate the signatories to defend Ukraine if another country invaded. There was great support in the House & Senate to help Ukraine….Until Trump started to bend fingers back of GOP candidates to change there positions.
For the last 100 days all I see is Trump is disrespectful and unconcerned to about 50% ofAmericans and its allies but passive to Putin. While Trump is tearing apart the Federal Government and the financial systems, Trump is weakening America military and intelligence agencies around the world. And the media, congress, and high courts are silent. Can we agree a 3rd impeachment is in his next 3 year’s future?
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@joe pockets European military support for Ukraine in face of United States' dishonor for not supporting treaty of 1994. Budapest Memorandum. It is not some straight forward treaty where one side agrees to X and the other Y. It's interesting, complexities across the board. Read up on it in some more detail. How the US acted with Russia's first violation in 2014 vs. the 2022 violation. You will see the US has honored its agreement in both cases, and Trump is continuing to fiddle around doing the same thing. Europe on the other hand is in no shape financially or militarily to do anything of significance in providing the level of aid needed. They can borrow a bill here and a bill there, like what they have done recently, to send over there but long term it will take significant time for them to build the military aid required to continue aiding Ukraine. Bigger issue is human capital. Ukraine is running dry. Europeans will need to foot this bill with blood capital. So then you have a scenario where Russia bleeds Europe dry from monetary capital and human capital. Is that what Putin is hoping for next?? I know Europe isn't.
The consensus was that the Budapest Memorandum only obligated the other signatories - Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States - to not invade Ukraine in exchange for them giving up nuclear weapons. It did not obligate the signatories to defend Ukraine if another country invaded. There was great support in the House & Senate to help Ukraine….Until Trump started to bend fingers back of GOP candidates to change there positions.
For the last 100 days all I see is Trump is disrespectful and unconcerned to about 50% ofAmericans and its allies but passive to Putin. While Trump is tearing apart the Federal Government and the financial systems, Trump is weakening America military and intelligence agencies around the world. And the media, congress, and high courts are silent. Can we agree a 3rd impeachment is in his next 3 year’s future?
There was great support in the House & Senate to help Ukraine….Until Trump started to bend fingers back of GOP candidates to change there positions.
I would question all parts of this. At no time has the Republican base had great support in giving aid. The Congressmen may have seemed that way in part to not look bad, but partly because a lot of the aid is packaged in with other stuff they do support. The Congressmen began to feel more and more they could vote, or show, their true feelings on the issue because of the pushback from their constituents.
I also am not too sure Trump decided the entire issue on his own and ‘bent fingers’. I think he does like all politicians and ‘listened’ to what his voters were saying and went with it. But he does have a past history of not supporting things like this that is very costly at a time when the USA cannot afford it. Not to mention that it is always overwhelming the USA that provides the needs. Which is another thing he has a problem with.
But to imply that everyone was jumping for joy to ‘support’ Ukraine before Trump is not true at all. Many have not been on board from the beginning, including members of Congress that were ‘urged’ to go along. For example:
Notably, 45% of Republicans think that America should reduce military aid to Ukraine. An even greater share of Republicans (60%) think that U.S. foreign aid should be cut or eliminated altogether.
By contrast, Democrats are the most in favor of increasing military aid, at 35% in this party.
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@joe pockets
There was great support in the House & Senate to help Ukraine….Until Trump started to bend fingers back of GOP candidates to change there positions.
I would question all parts of this. At no time has the Republican base had great support in giving aid. The Congressmen may have seemed that way in part to not look bad, but partly because a lot of the aid is packaged in with other stuff they do support. The Congressmen began to feel more and more they could vote, or show, their true feelings on the issue because of the pushback from their constituents.
I also am not too sure Trump decided the entire issue on his own and ‘bent fingers’. I think he does like all politicians and ‘listened’ to what his voters were saying and went with it. But he does have a past history of not supporting things like this that is very costly at a time when the USA cannot afford it. Not to mention that it is always overwhelming the USA that provides the needs. Which is another thing he has a problem with.
But to imply that everyone was jumping for joy to ‘support’ Ukraine before Trump is not true at all. Many have not been on board from the beginning, including members of Congress that were ‘urged’ to go along. For example:
Notably, 45% of Republicans think that America should reduce military aid to Ukraine. An even greater share of Republicans (60%) think that U.S. foreign aid should be cut or eliminated altogether.
By contrast, Democrats are the most in favor of increasing military aid, at 35% in this party.
There was great support in the House & Senate to help Ukraine….Until Trump started to bend fingers back of GOP candidates to change there positions.
For the last 100 days all I see is
Trump is disrespectful and unconcerned to about 50% of Americans and its allies but passive to Putin. While Trump is tearing apart the Federal Government and the financial systems, Trump is weakening America military and intelligence agencies around the world.
@joe pockets
Yep. Exactly. And when the partisan blinders are taken off that is all any intelligent person would see.
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Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:
There was great support in the House & Senate to help Ukraine….Until Trump started to bend fingers back of GOP candidates to change there positions.
For the last 100 days all I see is
Trump is disrespectful and unconcerned to about 50% of Americans and its allies but passive to Putin. While Trump is tearing apart the Federal Government and the financial systems, Trump is weakening America military and intelligence agencies around the world.
@joe pockets
Yep. Exactly. And when the partisan blinders are taken off that is all any intelligent person would see.
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