Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: VERMONT, THE MOST VACCINATED STATE HAS A CURRENT COVID 7-DAY AVG. DEATH RATE 6 TIMES HIGHER PER CAPITA THAN FLORIDA'S CURRENT 7-DAY AVG DEATH RATE. VERMONT COVID 7-DAY AVG. CASES NOW 3 TIMES HIGHER PER CAPITA THAN FLORIDA'S. 7 day average isn't as statistically significant as all data. According to Statista, Vermont has 56 covid deaths per 100,000 people which is lowest overall rate in the US. Whereas Florida has 285 covid deaths per 100,000 which is 8th highest. Harvard study found no correlation between vaccination rates and covid case rates in over 60 countries. But author says this doesn't mean vaccines don't work. Instead big picture is revealed by looking at everything.
You know, in my heart and my mind I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. It is a big picture, sooooo many things to look at. But when folks cherry pick to make it political, well, I can play that game too. So easy to do.
New York and New Jersey for instance; Hit hard by COVID when it first hit the U.S., some very bad nursing home responses partly to blame, but they were hit hard. Some states like Vermont not hit hard at all early and then last Jan. they got it but not hard. They have their highest case loads now. States like Oregon and Washington missed a lot of it early. And everybody has reason why and always it was human intervention. I don't believe so. Oh yeah, locking down certainly slowed the spread. Social distancing?? A little maybe. Cloth masks, again a little maybe.
When I look at the BIG PICTURE, like how are 33% of the wild whitetail deer tested in Penn, NY, and Michigan showing they were exposed to COVID??? These animals in the woods not in a shopping mall or restaurant. They're in the woods!! Makes you say hmmmmm, maybe we really don't understand viral spread.
The vaccine helps no doubt. It does NOT prevent infection in MANY MANY people. In some cases vaccinated still die. In a very few documented cases people have died from the vaccine itself.
With that knowledge I cannot understand mandating this vaccine. If Delta never showed up, vaccines 90-95% effective at preventing infection, than I would be very much more inclined to say YES, but not now. Makes no sense.
Fella on the CFB forum said he was vaccinated in May, got COVID in August, was very sick, almost went to hospital but got over it. Three months after the shot.
The story on Portugal saying how vaccinated they are and how great their doing, best in 18 months. NO, look it up. They have more COVID issues now than last spring.
IMO, total vaccination IS NOT THE ANSWER. It spreads to animals, mink farm workers in Michigan contracted COVID with mink mutations. COVID will never be eradicated. Herd immunity, IMO, will never really happen.
Florida's numbers dropping like a rock is a lesson learned for those with open minds. No mandates, stadiums full of people, people living normal, yet the numbers crash. WHY?? IMO, it's seasonal, it has it's window and attacks, something shuts that window and it's NOT man's intervention.