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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2022 - 11:07 PM ET #1

    Has any member of the right seen a GOP plan to bring gas prices down or deal with inflation if they take over control of Congress in 2022?

    BTW..Raiders22...this isn't the place for one of your cut/paste novellas, so please refrain from boring us all with a response.

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    Has any member of the right seen a GOP plan to bring gas prices down or deal with inflation if they take over control of Congress in 2022?

    BTW..Raiders22...this isn't the place for one of your cut/paste novellas, so please refrain from boring us all with a response.

     
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    Inflation is driven by economic recovery, supply problems in markets and fiscal or monetary policies.  Federal reserve is mostly responsible for fighting inflation.  Not congress or white house that can only do little.  Presidents can temporarily increase supply by releasing some oil from strategic reserves.  Republican proposal to increase domestic oil production is unlikely to reduce inflation in the short term because increasing production usually require years of preparation.  However their plan to cut taxes for the rich could worsen inflation and government deficits. 

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    Inflation is driven by economic recovery, supply problems in markets and fiscal or monetary policies.  Federal reserve is mostly responsible for fighting inflation.  Not congress or white house that can only do little.  Presidents can temporarily increase supply by releasing some oil from strategic reserves.  Republican proposal to increase domestic oil production is unlikely to reduce inflation in the short term because increasing production usually require years of preparation.  However their plan to cut taxes for the rich could worsen inflation and government deficits. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Inflation is driven by economic recovery, supply problems in markets and fiscal or monetary policies.  Federal reserve is mostly responsible for fighting inflation.  Not congress or white house that can only do little.  Presidents can temporarily increase supply by releasing some oil from strategic reserves.  Republican proposal to increase domestic oil production is unlikely to reduce inflation in the short term because increasing production usually require years of preparation.  However their plan to cut taxes for the rich could worsen inflation and government deficits.

    Republicans also plan to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid if they retake the Congress in November. Why GOP is gunning to chop senior's retirement and healthcare from elderlies and low income citizens? Why won't these Republicans slash their own salaries from the first place. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Inflation is driven by economic recovery, supply problems in markets and fiscal or monetary policies.  Federal reserve is mostly responsible for fighting inflation.  Not congress or white house that can only do little.  Presidents can temporarily increase supply by releasing some oil from strategic reserves.  Republican proposal to increase domestic oil production is unlikely to reduce inflation in the short term because increasing production usually require years of preparation.  However their plan to cut taxes for the rich could worsen inflation and government deficits.

    Republicans also plan to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid if they retake the Congress in November. Why GOP is gunning to chop senior's retirement and healthcare from elderlies and low income citizens? Why won't these Republicans slash their own salaries from the first place. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Inflation is driven by economic recovery, supply problems in markets and fiscal or monetary policies.  Federal reserve is mostly responsible for fighting inflation.  Not congress or white house that can only do little.  Presidents can temporarily increase supply by releasing some oil from strategic reserves.  Republican proposal to increase domestic oil production is unlikely to reduce inflation in the short term because increasing production usually require years of preparation.  However their plan to cut taxes for the rich could worsen inflation and government deficits.

     

    All factual. Thank you Thirdperson!  peace_5

    Good question, Midnight1.

     

    But we must include at least these 4 key points, of which the USA has no direct control:

    one, is contributing hugely to drive up inflation is the February 2022 war started by Russia, driving up worldwide oil pricing, including here,

    two, is the September 2022 decision by OPEC to cut production which reduces supply and keeps oil prices much higher around the world, not just for autos and aircraft fueling but delivery trucking that brings almost everything we use daily,

    three, climate related issues (like record drought in our west and flooding around the globe reducing supply) and record heatwaves increasing energy demands, plus disasters  causing increasing costs for repair and reconstruction and insurance,

    four, is all these issues are affecting the entire planet, not just USA! an_light

    In our arrogant USA bubble, it's easy for the ignorant nationalists to wrongly perceive inflation is only affecting USA and therefore our current government must be to blame.  Knowing that this worldwide inflation is caused by and driven by worldwide factors (both directly and indirectly) is key to understanding.

    One of the very few tools the government has it's disposal FOR IMMEDIATE RELIEF, at least to some degree, is release of emergency oil reserves to increase supply.  It helps, but obviously only a short term aid.  President has done this. Twice.

    But as you say, other more meaningful solutions to inflation (and remember this is caused by worldwide factors mostly outside our borders) will take considerable time to improve down to a level where US citizens won't be whining.

    The fed, which operates INDEPENDENTLY from the White House and Congress, as you correctly noted, is mostly accountable for managing USA inflation, although that too is not a perfect solution as there are pros and cons to anything they do.  Even so as long as worldwide oil prices remain high then inflation around the world including here will remain high until the day we are weened off oil or gas for the bulk of our energy needs - which is far off in the future.

    There may be some things that could be done in theory to help US citizens and businesses but that would require republicans to vote for it, which they will refuse to do absolutely until after they have the White House again.  At that time the Democrats will block whatever the republicans want to pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Inflation is driven by economic recovery, supply problems in markets and fiscal or monetary policies.  Federal reserve is mostly responsible for fighting inflation.  Not congress or white house that can only do little.  Presidents can temporarily increase supply by releasing some oil from strategic reserves.  Republican proposal to increase domestic oil production is unlikely to reduce inflation in the short term because increasing production usually require years of preparation.  However their plan to cut taxes for the rich could worsen inflation and government deficits.

     

    All factual. Thank you Thirdperson!  peace_5

    Good question, Midnight1.

     

    But we must include at least these 4 key points, of which the USA has no direct control:

    one, is contributing hugely to drive up inflation is the February 2022 war started by Russia, driving up worldwide oil pricing, including here,

    two, is the September 2022 decision by OPEC to cut production which reduces supply and keeps oil prices much higher around the world, not just for autos and aircraft fueling but delivery trucking that brings almost everything we use daily,

    three, climate related issues (like record drought in our west and flooding around the globe reducing supply) and record heatwaves increasing energy demands, plus disasters  causing increasing costs for repair and reconstruction and insurance,

    four, is all these issues are affecting the entire planet, not just USA! an_light

    In our arrogant USA bubble, it's easy for the ignorant nationalists to wrongly perceive inflation is only affecting USA and therefore our current government must be to blame.  Knowing that this worldwide inflation is caused by and driven by worldwide factors (both directly and indirectly) is key to understanding.

    One of the very few tools the government has it's disposal FOR IMMEDIATE RELIEF, at least to some degree, is release of emergency oil reserves to increase supply.  It helps, but obviously only a short term aid.  President has done this. Twice.

    But as you say, other more meaningful solutions to inflation (and remember this is caused by worldwide factors mostly outside our borders) will take considerable time to improve down to a level where US citizens won't be whining.

    The fed, which operates INDEPENDENTLY from the White House and Congress, as you correctly noted, is mostly accountable for managing USA inflation, although that too is not a perfect solution as there are pros and cons to anything they do.  Even so as long as worldwide oil prices remain high then inflation around the world including here will remain high until the day we are weened off oil or gas for the bulk of our energy needs - which is far off in the future.

    There may be some things that could be done in theory to help US citizens and businesses but that would require republicans to vote for it, which they will refuse to do absolutely until after they have the White House again.  At that time the Democrats will block whatever the republicans want to pass.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Inflation is driven by economic recovery, supply problems in markets and fiscal or monetary policies.  Federal reserve is mostly responsible for fighting inflation.  Not congress or white house that can only do little.  Presidents can temporarily increase supply by releasing some oil from strategic reserves.  Republican proposal to increase domestic oil production is unlikely to reduce inflation in the short term because increasing production usually require years of preparation.  However their plan to cut taxes for the rich could worsen inflation and government deficits. Republicans also plan to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid if they retake the Congress in November. Why GOP is gunning to chop senior's retirement and healthcare from elderlies and low income citizens? Why won't these Republicans slash their own salaries from the first place.
    Been hearing this for decades. an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Inflation is driven by economic recovery, supply problems in markets and fiscal or monetary policies.  Federal reserve is mostly responsible for fighting inflation.  Not congress or white house that can only do little.  Presidents can temporarily increase supply by releasing some oil from strategic reserves.  Republican proposal to increase domestic oil production is unlikely to reduce inflation in the short term because increasing production usually require years of preparation.  However their plan to cut taxes for the rich could worsen inflation and government deficits. Republicans also plan to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid if they retake the Congress in November. Why GOP is gunning to chop senior's retirement and healthcare from elderlies and low income citizens? Why won't these Republicans slash their own salaries from the first place.
    Been hearing this for decades. an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2022 - 11:27 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Has any member of the right seen a GOP plan to bring gas prices down or deal with inflation if they take over control of Congress in 2022? BTW..Raiders22...this isn't the place for one of your cut/paste novellas, so please refrain from boring us all with a response.

     

    I think the bigger question is, what is the current admin doing to fix the issues? Why should we keep people in, that currently have NO plan to fix the issues? We were told "inflation is transitory". It is not.  We are told we're not in a recession. Technically, we are. We were told there would be a soft landing with fiscal policy, well, lets see how that plays out. 

     

    Stop pushing "green clean" energy so damn quickly. It's not going to happen over night which is what the left dreams of. It's a pipe dream. Slowly fazed in, sure. Destroying the US to make people buy electric cars tomorrow, no bueno. Guess what, "green clean" energy is not as clean as everyone wants to believe. This should not be an overnight process. The left has all these grand ideas, but none are realistic on the time frame they wish for. 

     

    As far as inflation- the fed is screwed whichever route they take. Keep raising interest rates (which they are), people suffer with higher payments and loss of savings. Banks are not able to lend as much so there will be economic slow down. Home owners are forced to lower their listings which only benefits banks that are charging higher interest and keeping the money from citizens.    

    Print more money, and we'll welcome hyper inflation. ("inflation is a great asset" - biden) 

    Nobody is buying the govts debt right now because the govt has literally no control over a budget. Their answer, just print more, because that means they have more money to spend.

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't. But hey, you got bad orange man out and got 6 boosters in everyone and made everyone afraid so they give up their freedom to the govt. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Has any member of the right seen a GOP plan to bring gas prices down or deal with inflation if they take over control of Congress in 2022? BTW..Raiders22...this isn't the place for one of your cut/paste novellas, so please refrain from boring us all with a response.

     

    I think the bigger question is, what is the current admin doing to fix the issues? Why should we keep people in, that currently have NO plan to fix the issues? We were told "inflation is transitory". It is not.  We are told we're not in a recession. Technically, we are. We were told there would be a soft landing with fiscal policy, well, lets see how that plays out. 

     

    Stop pushing "green clean" energy so damn quickly. It's not going to happen over night which is what the left dreams of. It's a pipe dream. Slowly fazed in, sure. Destroying the US to make people buy electric cars tomorrow, no bueno. Guess what, "green clean" energy is not as clean as everyone wants to believe. This should not be an overnight process. The left has all these grand ideas, but none are realistic on the time frame they wish for. 

     

    As far as inflation- the fed is screwed whichever route they take. Keep raising interest rates (which they are), people suffer with higher payments and loss of savings. Banks are not able to lend as much so there will be economic slow down. Home owners are forced to lower their listings which only benefits banks that are charging higher interest and keeping the money from citizens.    

    Print more money, and we'll welcome hyper inflation. ("inflation is a great asset" - biden) 

    Nobody is buying the govts debt right now because the govt has literally no control over a budget. Their answer, just print more, because that means they have more money to spend.

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't. But hey, you got bad orange man out and got 6 boosters in everyone and made everyone afraid so they give up their freedom to the govt. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2022 - 12:16 PM ET #7

    We went from independent do dependent...

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    We went from independent do dependent...

     
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    A typo

    To instead of do...

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    A typo

    To instead of do...

     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2022 - 3:33 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    We went from independent do dependent...

    False, as usual. lie

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    We went from independent do dependent...

    False, as usual. lie

     
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    OK, so maybe inflation and gas prices are too big of a problem for the GOP to address since no one in here has been able to provide a GOP plan on either of these 2 issues. So let's try this...

    What is the GOP plan to address our crime & immigration issues?

    an_popcorn

     

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    OK, so maybe inflation and gas prices are too big of a problem for the GOP to address since no one in here has been able to provide a GOP plan on either of these 2 issues. So let's try this...

    What is the GOP plan to address our crime & immigration issues?

    an_popcorn

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2022 - 5:04 PM ET #11

      False??.... you mean inflation is transitory... democrats never said defund the police... border is secure... 

    We were exporting ...instead of importing  , which made us less dependent on other countries. Now we are solely relying... 

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      False??.... you mean inflation is transitory... democrats never said defund the police... border is secure... 

    We were exporting ...instead of importing  , which made us less dependent on other countries. Now we are solely relying... 

     
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     Anything the GOP does will be an improvement over do-nothing DJ. Closing the southern border will be a nice start.

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     Anything the GOP does will be an improvement over do-nothing DJ. Closing the southern border will be a nice start.

     
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    @Midnight1

     

    Well, what's the lefts plan, because nothing has been working. Or am I just not seeing anything correctly right now? Seems to me that crime is more rampant in left leaning cities/ states. It sure as hell is a lot higher in my left leaning area and I don't see it getting any better. If the economy is going down, crime will for sure be going up.  

     GOP or Dems can not control inflation. That is not up to either party. That is on the fed. Inflation IMO is a lonnngggg ways from coming back to what we're used to. I don't think we'll ever see pricing that we used to. There's currently too much money in the banks hands and that's a major liability for banks. Now make it more expensive for people to borrow by way of higher interest rates and now the banks are stuck with that cash that is supposed to be circulating the economy, which taxes would be collected on. But don't worry, that cash is not burning a hole in their pocket (even though it's a liability to banks). Inflation is burning a hole in yours as that's now your liability. Banks get tons of cash, cash is a liability to banks, feds go ahead and pay interest on that cash so banks don't lose. You get peanuts in cash from stimulus, govt eventually takes it back through inflation and taxes. 

    As for crime, GOP would probably want to open more prisons. Biden can let out anyone charged with cannabis crimes being as that's probably a very small percentage, but hey, he looks good to voters by attempting to show he cares. But I'd guess GOP would want to imprison and prosecute violent crimes, while the left is happy to catch and release and put another voter back on the streets. How many stories have you read about with someone committing a violent crime and getting released in the same day with no cash bail only to go out and commit another crime that same day or week? The left thinks this person is going to clean themselves up and get a job. Their only job is crime. If there's no punishment for crimes, well, crimes will continue to increase. Pretty simple to understand that. There is more incentive to commit crimes because crime pays and getting caught is get out of jail free card nowadays. 

    As for immigration, GOP would probably want them go through the proper legal process (the bipartisan side should work together to help speed up the process to incentive people to go the legal route and just wait it out), like many LEGAL immigrants have done in the past. Letting in illegals is just a slap in the face to those who took the right process to become a citizen of America. It lessons their pride in what they've had to go through to become an American. 

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    Well, what's the lefts plan, because nothing has been working. Or am I just not seeing anything correctly right now? Seems to me that crime is more rampant in left leaning cities/ states. It sure as hell is a lot higher in my left leaning area and I don't see it getting any better. If the economy is going down, crime will for sure be going up.  

     GOP or Dems can not control inflation. That is not up to either party. That is on the fed. Inflation IMO is a lonnngggg ways from coming back to what we're used to. I don't think we'll ever see pricing that we used to. There's currently too much money in the banks hands and that's a major liability for banks. Now make it more expensive for people to borrow by way of higher interest rates and now the banks are stuck with that cash that is supposed to be circulating the economy, which taxes would be collected on. But don't worry, that cash is not burning a hole in their pocket (even though it's a liability to banks). Inflation is burning a hole in yours as that's now your liability. Banks get tons of cash, cash is a liability to banks, feds go ahead and pay interest on that cash so banks don't lose. You get peanuts in cash from stimulus, govt eventually takes it back through inflation and taxes. 

    As for crime, GOP would probably want to open more prisons. Biden can let out anyone charged with cannabis crimes being as that's probably a very small percentage, but hey, he looks good to voters by attempting to show he cares. But I'd guess GOP would want to imprison and prosecute violent crimes, while the left is happy to catch and release and put another voter back on the streets. How many stories have you read about with someone committing a violent crime and getting released in the same day with no cash bail only to go out and commit another crime that same day or week? The left thinks this person is going to clean themselves up and get a job. Their only job is crime. If there's no punishment for crimes, well, crimes will continue to increase. Pretty simple to understand that. There is more incentive to commit crimes because crime pays and getting caught is get out of jail free card nowadays. 

    As for immigration, GOP would probably want them go through the proper legal process (the bipartisan side should work together to help speed up the process to incentive people to go the legal route and just wait it out), like many LEGAL immigrants have done in the past. Letting in illegals is just a slap in the face to those who took the right process to become a citizen of America. It lessons their pride in what they've had to go through to become an American. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    OK,

    so maybe inflation and gas prices are too big of a problem for the GOP to address since no one in here has been able to provide a GOP plan on either of these 2 issues.

    Correct observation. 

    Generally, it appears clear the GOP have no plan, other than to cast blame for everything on the Democrats and continue to bash them simply because they are Democrats.

    That's it.   That's their plan.  Spin blame on Democrats for everything, regardless whether there is an actual Democrat cause & effect for whatever the issue is, including gas prices and inflation.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    OK,

    so maybe inflation and gas prices are too big of a problem for the GOP to address since no one in here has been able to provide a GOP plan on either of these 2 issues.

    Correct observation. 

    Generally, it appears clear the GOP have no plan, other than to cast blame for everything on the Democrats and continue to bash them simply because they are Democrats.

    That's it.   That's their plan.  Spin blame on Democrats for everything, regardless whether there is an actual Democrat cause & effect for whatever the issue is, including gas prices and inflation.

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: We went from independent do dependent...

     

     

    False, as usual. lie

    As usual.  peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: We went from independent do dependent...

     

     

    False, as usual. lie

    As usual.  peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: OK, so maybe inflation and gas prices are too big of a problem for the GOP to address since no one in here has been able to provide a GOP plan on either of these 2 issues. Correct observation.  Generally, it appears clear the GOP have no plan, other than to cast blame for everything on the Democrats and continue to bash them simply because they are Democrats. That's it.   That's their plan.  Spin blame on Democrats for everything, regardless whether there is an actual Democrat cause & effect for whatever the issue is, including gas prices and inflation.

     

     

    Ok, so give us the dems plan if you think you've got it covered. Please tell us why the dems plan is sooo much better then the GOPs...Clearly this topic is too broad of a discussion on a covers forum. 

     

    I'll sav you the time because your answers are always the same... It's bad orange mans fault. He says mean things on twitter. He tells us the truth and people don't want to hear the truth. They would rather be lied to. Just blame bad orange man because he's a fascists. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: OK, so maybe inflation and gas prices are too big of a problem for the GOP to address since no one in here has been able to provide a GOP plan on either of these 2 issues. Correct observation.  Generally, it appears clear the GOP have no plan, other than to cast blame for everything on the Democrats and continue to bash them simply because they are Democrats. That's it.   That's their plan.  Spin blame on Democrats for everything, regardless whether there is an actual Democrat cause & effect for whatever the issue is, including gas prices and inflation.

     

     

    Ok, so give us the dems plan if you think you've got it covered. Please tell us why the dems plan is sooo much better then the GOPs...Clearly this topic is too broad of a discussion on a covers forum. 

     

    I'll sav you the time because your answers are always the same... It's bad orange mans fault. He says mean things on twitter. He tells us the truth and people don't want to hear the truth. They would rather be lied to. Just blame bad orange man because he's a fascists. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    False??.... you mean inflation is transitory... democrats never said defund the police... border is secure...  We were exporting ...instead of importing  , which made us less dependent on other countries. Now we are solely relying...

    No, I mean false as in your statement is a lie as usual. 

    The U.S. has been a net exporter of energy in 2019, 2020, and 2021 (both Biden years) (2022 data still not out yet but will be a net exporter again).

    Meaning, your claim that the U.S. went from energy independent to dependent is false, actually a lie because you are intentionally denying facts. This data is readily available on EIA Gov if you ever bother to deal in facts. 

    We all know you are just here to peddle partisan bs though. peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    False??.... you mean inflation is transitory... democrats never said defund the police... border is secure...  We were exporting ...instead of importing  , which made us less dependent on other countries. Now we are solely relying...

    No, I mean false as in your statement is a lie as usual. 

    The U.S. has been a net exporter of energy in 2019, 2020, and 2021 (both Biden years) (2022 data still not out yet but will be a net exporter again).

    Meaning, your claim that the U.S. went from energy independent to dependent is false, actually a lie because you are intentionally denying facts. This data is readily available on EIA Gov if you ever bother to deal in facts. 

    We all know you are just here to peddle partisan bs though. peace

     
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    I give you a lot of credit for trying to have honest discourse with bad actors.  I see this place is still the same with the same people providing smooth brained takes on the regular.  God bless you, sir.

     

    Just a clown... doing clown things
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    I give you a lot of credit for trying to have honest discourse with bad actors.  I see this place is still the same with the same people providing smooth brained takes on the regular.  God bless you, sir.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: OK, so maybe inflation and gas prices are too big of a problem for the GOP to address since no one in here has been able to provide a GOP plan on either of these 2 issues. Correct observation.  Generally, it appears clear the GOP have no plan, other than to cast blame for everything on the Democrats and continue to bash them simply because they are Democrats. That's it.   That's their plan.  Spin blame on Democrats for everything, regardless whether there is an actual Democrat cause & effect for whatever the issue is, including gas prices and inflation.

    And you are right again peace_5

    No intelligent response to Midnight1's honest question, just the usual deflection, "whataboutism" and of course deriding the Democrats.  That's their answer to just about everything when they aren't screaming "election fraud"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: OK, so maybe inflation and gas prices are too big of a problem for the GOP to address since no one in here has been able to provide a GOP plan on either of these 2 issues. Correct observation.  Generally, it appears clear the GOP have no plan, other than to cast blame for everything on the Democrats and continue to bash them simply because they are Democrats. That's it.   That's their plan.  Spin blame on Democrats for everything, regardless whether there is an actual Democrat cause & effect for whatever the issue is, including gas prices and inflation.

    And you are right again peace_5

    No intelligent response to Midnight1's honest question, just the usual deflection, "whataboutism" and of course deriding the Democrats.  That's their answer to just about everything when they aren't screaming "election fraud"

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    Lie...lol... when you rely on others ...you are dependent... joe got on his knees ....begging... we did not  have to... but thru his policies, we did.  This mess is all on him.. .. 

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    Lie...lol... when you rely on others ...you are dependent... joe got on his knees ....begging... we did not  have to... but thru his policies, we did.  This mess is all on him.. .. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Lie...lol... when you rely on others ...you are dependent... joe got on his knees ....begging... we did not  have to... but thru his policies, we did.  This mess is all on him.. ..

    The thing is the U.S. is not dependent on other countries for energy production under Biden, which is why we remain a net exporter of energy. 

    So yes, what you are saying is false and a lie.  Try again. an_light

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    Lie...lol... when you rely on others ...you are dependent... joe got on his knees ....begging... we did not  have to... but thru his policies, we did.  This mess is all on him.. ..

    The thing is the U.S. is not dependent on other countries for energy production under Biden, which is why we remain a net exporter of energy. 

    So yes, what you are saying is false and a lie.  Try again. an_light

     
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    Lol... did he not ask for more production and lower prices??   Then use our reserves??  We did not have to but he is a puppet.  He begged... 

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    Lol... did he not ask for more production and lower prices??   Then use our reserves??  We did not have to but he is a puppet.  He begged... 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Lol... did he not ask for more production and lower prices??   Then use our reserves??  We did not have to but he is a puppet.  He begged...

    confused 

    Incoherent drivel as usual. 

    The fact is the U.S. remained a net exporter of energy every year Biden (2020, 2021, 2022) has been president, so you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. an_light

    We are still an energy Net Exporter. Not dependent on any other country. It's clear you don't know how any of this works. peace

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    Lol... did he not ask for more production and lower prices??   Then use our reserves??  We did not have to but he is a puppet.  He begged...

    confused 

    Incoherent drivel as usual. 

    The fact is the U.S. remained a net exporter of energy every year Biden (2020, 2021, 2022) has been president, so you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. an_light

    We are still an energy Net Exporter. Not dependent on any other country. It's clear you don't know how any of this works. peace

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: False?? We were exporting ...instead of importing  , which made us less dependent on other countries. Now we are solely relying...

    No, I mean false as in your statement is a lie as usual.  The U.S. has been a net exporter of energy in 2019, 2020, and 2021 (both Biden years) (2022 data still not out yet but will be a net exporter again). Meaning, your claim that the U.S. went from energy independent to dependent is false, actually a lie because you are intentionally denying facts. This data is readily available on EIA Gov if you ever bother to deal in facts.  We all know you are just here to peddle partisan bs though.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: False?? We were exporting ...instead of importing  , which made us less dependent on other countries. Now we are solely relying...

    No, I mean false as in your statement is a lie as usual.  The U.S. has been a net exporter of energy in 2019, 2020, and 2021 (both Biden years) (2022 data still not out yet but will be a net exporter again). Meaning, your claim that the U.S. went from energy independent to dependent is false, actually a lie because you are intentionally denying facts. This data is readily available on EIA Gov if you ever bother to deal in facts.  We all know you are just here to peddle partisan bs though.

     

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