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    Breaking down the 91 charges Trump faces in his four indictments

    13 charges in the Georgia election interference case

    The Fulton County, Ga., district attorney charged Trump and 18 others in connection with efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss in the state.

    The indictment says Trump and 18 others were part of a criminal enterprise that refused to accept his election loss and conspired to change the outcome.
    Four charges in the federal Jan. 6 election case
    In this case, Trump and a group of alleged co-conspirators — unnamed but many identifiable through prosecutors’ descriptions — are accused of scheming to reverse the election results and keep Trump in power. The three conspiracy counts relate to the myriad ways they allegedly tried to accomplish that goal. The fourth count, attempting to obstruct an official proceeding, arises from Trump’s attempt to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden’s win.

    40 charges in classified documnts case
    32 counts willfull retention of national defense info.
    6 counts counts related to obstruction or altering documents
    2 counts False statements

    34 charges in the falsifying business records case

    What do the charges mean?

    These are essentially bookkeeping charges. Each involves a separate instance in which prosecutors allege that Trump misclassified campaign expenses as legal expenses. Falsifying business records is a misdemeanor in New York but can be charged as a felony when prosecutors believe there is an “intent to defraud” that includes an intent to “commit another crime or to aid or conceal” a crime.

    Here's a summary of the charges Trump is facing in Washington, D.C., for attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election:

    • one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States applies to Trump's repeated and widespread efforts to spread false claims about the November 2020 election while knowing they were not true and for allegedly attempting to illegally discount legitimate votes all with the goal of overturning the 2020 election, prosecutors claim in the indictment.
    • one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning by Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote's certification in January 2021.
    • one count of obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding is tied to Trump and his co-conspirators' alleged efforts after the November 2020 election until Jan. 7, 2021, to block the official certification proceeding in Congress.
    • one count of conspiracy against rights refers to Trump and his co-conspirators alleged attempts to "oppress, threaten and intimidate" people in their right to vote in an election.



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    Breaking down the 91 charges Trump faces in his four indictments

    13 charges in the Georgia election interference case

    The Fulton County, Ga., district attorney charged Trump and 18 others in connection with efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss in the state.

    The indictment says Trump and 18 others were part of a criminal enterprise that refused to accept his election loss and conspired to change the outcome.
    Four charges in the federal Jan. 6 election case
    In this case, Trump and a group of alleged co-conspirators — unnamed but many identifiable through prosecutors’ descriptions — are accused of scheming to reverse the election results and keep Trump in power. The three conspiracy counts relate to the myriad ways they allegedly tried to accomplish that goal. The fourth count, attempting to obstruct an official proceeding, arises from Trump’s attempt to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden’s win.

    40 charges in classified documnts case
    32 counts willfull retention of national defense info.
    6 counts counts related to obstruction or altering documents
    2 counts False statements

    34 charges in the falsifying business records case

    What do the charges mean?

    These are essentially bookkeeping charges. Each involves a separate instance in which prosecutors allege that Trump misclassified campaign expenses as legal expenses. Falsifying business records is a misdemeanor in New York but can be charged as a felony when prosecutors believe there is an “intent to defraud” that includes an intent to “commit another crime or to aid or conceal” a crime.

    Here's a summary of the charges Trump is facing in Washington, D.C., for attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election:

    • one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States applies to Trump's repeated and widespread efforts to spread false claims about the November 2020 election while knowing they were not true and for allegedly attempting to illegally discount legitimate votes all with the goal of overturning the 2020 election, prosecutors claim in the indictment.
    • one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning by Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote's certification in January 2021.
    • one count of obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding is tied to Trump and his co-conspirators' alleged efforts after the November 2020 election until Jan. 7, 2021, to block the official certification proceeding in Congress.
    • one count of conspiracy against rights refers to Trump and his co-conspirators alleged attempts to "oppress, threaten and intimidate" people in their right to vote in an election.



     
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    plus these

    there was violation of the espionage act, ---conspiracy against rights,---- criminal tax fraud,--- falsifying business records, ----dereliction of duty,---- extortion, obstruction of congress, conspiracy to defraud the united states of america, ---criminal solicitation to commit election fraud,

    intentional interference with performance of election duties,

    wire fraud, corrupt obstruction of an official proceeding of the United States,

    money laundering,--- bank fraud,--- criminal solicitation, ----obstruction of justice,
    insurance fraud, state rico violations,

    conspiracy to make a false statement, racketeering,--- conspiracy to incite a riot, defamation,--
    sexual assault, ---witness tampering,

    conspiracy to defraud the U.S. by assisting other countries,

    hatch act violations, aiding or comforting those involved in an insurrection, ---jury tampering,

    and lets just throw in treason for the fun of it . . . . new_devil

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    plus these

    there was violation of the espionage act, ---conspiracy against rights,---- criminal tax fraud,--- falsifying business records, ----dereliction of duty,---- extortion, obstruction of congress, conspiracy to defraud the united states of america, ---criminal solicitation to commit election fraud,

    intentional interference with performance of election duties,

    wire fraud, corrupt obstruction of an official proceeding of the United States,

    money laundering,--- bank fraud,--- criminal solicitation, ----obstruction of justice,
    insurance fraud, state rico violations,

    conspiracy to make a false statement, racketeering,--- conspiracy to incite a riot, defamation,--
    sexual assault, ---witness tampering,

    conspiracy to defraud the U.S. by assisting other countries,

    hatch act violations, aiding or comforting those involved in an insurrection, ---jury tampering,

    and lets just throw in treason for the fun of it . . . . new_devil

     
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    D and wins<2 and o:wins>3 and ats streak<3 and tA(RY)

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    D and wins<2 and o:wins>3 and ats streak<3 and tA(RY)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by professor53:

    Breaking down the 91 charges Trump faces in his four indictments

    13 charges in the Georgia election interference caseThe Fulton County, Ga., district attorney charged Trump and 18 others in connection with efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss in the state. The indictment says Trump and 18 others were part of a criminal enterprise that refused to accept his election loss and conspired to change the outcome. Four charges in the federal Jan. 6 election case In this case, Trump and a group of alleged co-conspirators — unnamed but many identifiable through prosecutors’ descriptions — are accused of scheming to reverse the election results and keep Trump in power. The three conspiracy counts relate to the myriad ways they allegedly tried to accomplish that goal. The fourth count, attempting to obstruct an official proceeding, arises from Trump’s attempt to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden’s win. 40 charges in classified documnts case 32 counts willfull retention of national defense info. 6 counts counts related to obstruction or altering documents 2 counts False statements 34 charges in the falsifying business records caseWhat do the charges mean? These are essentially bookkeeping charges. Each involves a separate instance in which prosecutors allege that Trump misclassified campaign expenses as legal expenses. Falsifying business records is a misdemeanor in New York but can be charged as a felony when prosecutors believe there is an “intent to defraud” that includes an intent to “commit another crime or to aid or conceal” a crime. Here's a summary of the charges Trump is facing in Washington, D.C., for attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election: one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States applies to Trump's repeated and widespread efforts to spread false claims about the November 2020 election while knowing they were not true and for allegedly attempting to illegally discount legitimate votes all with the goal of overturning the 2020 election, prosecutors claim in the indictment. one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning by Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote's certification in January 2021. one count of obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding is tied to Trump and his co-conspirators' alleged efforts after the November 2020 election until Jan. 7, 2021, to block the official certification proceeding in Congress. one count of conspiracy against rights refers to Trump and his co-conspirators alleged attempts to "oppress, threaten and intimidate" people in their right to vote in an election.

    Not even major organized crime figures such as Al Capone, Gotti, Columbo, Franzese, Gambino, Luciano, Gravano, Massino had that many charges combined

     

     

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    Breaking down the 91 charges Trump faces in his four indictments

    13 charges in the Georgia election interference caseThe Fulton County, Ga., district attorney charged Trump and 18 others in connection with efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss in the state. The indictment says Trump and 18 others were part of a criminal enterprise that refused to accept his election loss and conspired to change the outcome. Four charges in the federal Jan. 6 election case In this case, Trump and a group of alleged co-conspirators — unnamed but many identifiable through prosecutors’ descriptions — are accused of scheming to reverse the election results and keep Trump in power. The three conspiracy counts relate to the myriad ways they allegedly tried to accomplish that goal. The fourth count, attempting to obstruct an official proceeding, arises from Trump’s attempt to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden’s win. 40 charges in classified documnts case 32 counts willfull retention of national defense info. 6 counts counts related to obstruction or altering documents 2 counts False statements 34 charges in the falsifying business records caseWhat do the charges mean? These are essentially bookkeeping charges. Each involves a separate instance in which prosecutors allege that Trump misclassified campaign expenses as legal expenses. Falsifying business records is a misdemeanor in New York but can be charged as a felony when prosecutors believe there is an “intent to defraud” that includes an intent to “commit another crime or to aid or conceal” a crime. Here's a summary of the charges Trump is facing in Washington, D.C., for attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election: one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States applies to Trump's repeated and widespread efforts to spread false claims about the November 2020 election while knowing they were not true and for allegedly attempting to illegally discount legitimate votes all with the goal of overturning the 2020 election, prosecutors claim in the indictment. one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning by Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote's certification in January 2021. one count of obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding is tied to Trump and his co-conspirators' alleged efforts after the November 2020 election until Jan. 7, 2021, to block the official certification proceeding in Congress. one count of conspiracy against rights refers to Trump and his co-conspirators alleged attempts to "oppress, threaten and intimidate" people in their right to vote in an election.

    Not even major organized crime figures such as Al Capone, Gotti, Columbo, Franzese, Gambino, Luciano, Gravano, Massino had that many charges combined

     

     

     
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    ... And that should tell you all you need to know about the left's ambitions to " get Trump. " an_light

    Sure, Trump's no angel, but he is not a crime boss like those others ... sleep2

     

    Two-tiered justice system anyone  ?  

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    ... And that should tell you all you need to know about the left's ambitions to " get Trump. " an_light

    Sure, Trump's no angel, but he is not a crime boss like those others ... sleep2

     

    Two-tiered justice system anyone  ?  

     
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    This is a good time to point out that no president has ever received 1 charge after leaving office..... let alone 91 !!!

     

    Two-tiered justice system anyone? 

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    This is a good time to point out that no president has ever received 1 charge after leaving office..... let alone 91 !!!

     

    Two-tiered justice system anyone? 

     
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     The dems are scared to death of Trump. an_nailbiter

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     The dems are scared to death of Trump. an_nailbiter

     
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     Typical deflection response, the real question is are the charges legit or not? The case of him committing fraud via his inflated real estate values IS legit, I do not see any charges which are fake, all are based on actions he committed or his companies did and in reality there are for sure MANY more we will never uncover.

    Don is a fraud, he has been a fraud all his life, why are you so mad that the fraud is being prosecuted/litigated? He rolls the dice in his personal life, his business affairs, with how he abuses people and has little respect for anyone but himself so why are any of you shocked when the risk taker has to own up to his choices?

    He has never learned from his multitude of mistakes, multiple lawsuits and personal failures, he is a lousy person living a lousy life.

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     Typical deflection response, the real question is are the charges legit or not? The case of him committing fraud via his inflated real estate values IS legit, I do not see any charges which are fake, all are based on actions he committed or his companies did and in reality there are for sure MANY more we will never uncover.

    Don is a fraud, he has been a fraud all his life, why are you so mad that the fraud is being prosecuted/litigated? He rolls the dice in his personal life, his business affairs, with how he abuses people and has little respect for anyone but himself so why are any of you shocked when the risk taker has to own up to his choices?

    He has never learned from his multitude of mistakes, multiple lawsuits and personal failures, he is a lousy person living a lousy life.

     
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    Wall, it is clear the Democrats will do all they can to prevent Trump from becoming president.   That is the overarching goal.  The charges against Trump are a means to an end.  That is it..

     

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    Wall, it is clear the Democrats will do all they can to prevent Trump from becoming president.   That is the overarching goal.  The charges against Trump are a means to an end.  That is it..

     

     
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     Absolutely right  !

      Meanwhile,  the Democrats are fiddling w Trump while eastern Europe and the Middle East are on fire !! 

     

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     Absolutely right  !

      Meanwhile,  the Democrats are fiddling w Trump while eastern Europe and the Middle East are on fire !! 

     

     
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     So can you answer the question? Are the charges with merit or not?

    Would you think it is right for a crime to be committed or potentially committed and not prosecuted?

    Trump is no better a person than you or I and in fact he is worse, the guy had opportunity and privilege and has crapped all over people with his zero ego and abusive personality. I respect people who treat others with kindness and equally, Trump is the exact opposite and does not deserve any better treatment than you or your neighbor.

    Stop protecting the scuz because you dislike Biden, be better than that loser and hold him accountable as the law does to any citizen.

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     So can you answer the question? Are the charges with merit or not?

    Would you think it is right for a crime to be committed or potentially committed and not prosecuted?

    Trump is no better a person than you or I and in fact he is worse, the guy had opportunity and privilege and has crapped all over people with his zero ego and abusive personality. I respect people who treat others with kindness and equally, Trump is the exact opposite and does not deserve any better treatment than you or your neighbor.

    Stop protecting the scuz because you dislike Biden, be better than that loser and hold him accountable as the law does to any citizen.

     
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    You are arguing about weeds, when the focus should be on the forest.  

    Any casual observer can witness the hypocrisy of the left, and their intent to influence a presidential election... that is the real deal.... and yet, Republicans are the ones messin' w democracy ??  Go figure.  an_drunksick

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    You are arguing about weeds, when the focus should be on the forest.  

    Any casual observer can witness the hypocrisy of the left, and their intent to influence a presidential election... that is the real deal.... and yet, Republicans are the ones messin' w democracy ??  Go figure.  an_drunksick

     
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     Oh I dont see it that way. I see it as he puts a MASSIVE target on his back based on how he treats other people and that has him in a very bad position right now. If you abuse others, dont be surprised when others REMEMBER that and now are more aware of your actions and will be happy to enforce the law at every opportunity.

    You see most all things as right vs left, I see it as an abusive person getting some recourse based on awful actions and a lack of consideration and respect for others let alone the position.

    This is also why I will not blindly side with Biden as you do with Trump, I dont care what party the person is, I dont care what the other side is doing so blah blah blah I look at the actions of the person and that alone. Trump deserves all he has piled on him and so so so much more.

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     Oh I dont see it that way. I see it as he puts a MASSIVE target on his back based on how he treats other people and that has him in a very bad position right now. If you abuse others, dont be surprised when others REMEMBER that and now are more aware of your actions and will be happy to enforce the law at every opportunity.

    You see most all things as right vs left, I see it as an abusive person getting some recourse based on awful actions and a lack of consideration and respect for others let alone the position.

    This is also why I will not blindly side with Biden as you do with Trump, I dont care what party the person is, I dont care what the other side is doing so blah blah blah I look at the actions of the person and that alone. Trump deserves all he has piled on him and so so so much more.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    This is a good time to point out that no president has ever received 1 charge after leaving office..... let alone 91 !!!   Two-tiered justice system anyone?

    Multiple indictments against Trump should be no surprise because of his long history of legal problems.  After years of presidential immunity, his problems eventually caught up to him.   Unlike most presidents, twice impeached Trump is among the most corrupt and worst in US history.  Siena and Cspan surveys of historians rank him low in integrity, moral authority and pursuit of equal justice for all.  House committee investigating weaponization of government found little or no evidence.  However government prosecutors normally win vast majority of cases because of priority for cases with strong evidences such as Trump's.

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    This is a good time to point out that no president has ever received 1 charge after leaving office..... let alone 91 !!!   Two-tiered justice system anyone?

    Multiple indictments against Trump should be no surprise because of his long history of legal problems.  After years of presidential immunity, his problems eventually caught up to him.   Unlike most presidents, twice impeached Trump is among the most corrupt and worst in US history.  Siena and Cspan surveys of historians rank him low in integrity, moral authority and pursuit of equal justice for all.  House committee investigating weaponization of government found little or no evidence.  However government prosecutors normally win vast majority of cases because of priority for cases with strong evidences such as Trump's.

     
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    Why are you anti Trumpers not saying anything about any of the allegations against the most corrupt president of all time...Joe Biden. I would actually respect some of your views a little more if you did even though i still wouldn't agree. I can't take anybody seriously when you are so one sided. Biden is destroying our country right before your eyes but you can't take your eyes off of Trump. You think that if you scream louder it makes your opinion right. None of you anti Trumpers can make any case by the numbers that Trump was 100 times the president Biden is. You can fabricate or twist stats to make it appear otherwise but it is simply not true. Talk about the good and bad of both sides if you want to be taken seriously by the majority of americans. I know I'm wasting my time by writing this after reading thru much of this political forum. Your hate for one the the greatest presidents of all time has you losing sleep at night which actually puts a smile on my face. You should be losing sleep for what this current corrupt president has done to this country in just 3 years. If you are going to continue bashing Trump I would like to hear from you all how bad of a duo Biden/Harris is too. That latter should actually be a lot easier to do!

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    Why are you anti Trumpers not saying anything about any of the allegations against the most corrupt president of all time...Joe Biden. I would actually respect some of your views a little more if you did even though i still wouldn't agree. I can't take anybody seriously when you are so one sided. Biden is destroying our country right before your eyes but you can't take your eyes off of Trump. You think that if you scream louder it makes your opinion right. None of you anti Trumpers can make any case by the numbers that Trump was 100 times the president Biden is. You can fabricate or twist stats to make it appear otherwise but it is simply not true. Talk about the good and bad of both sides if you want to be taken seriously by the majority of americans. I know I'm wasting my time by writing this after reading thru much of this political forum. Your hate for one the the greatest presidents of all time has you losing sleep at night which actually puts a smile on my face. You should be losing sleep for what this current corrupt president has done to this country in just 3 years. If you are going to continue bashing Trump I would like to hear from you all how bad of a duo Biden/Harris is too. That latter should actually be a lot easier to do!

     
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     Good comeback with the laughing emojis. Why don't you put some substance to it please. Not opinions but facts. I beg you to show me how Biden is a better President then Trump was. Think for yourself though. Do your own research and don't copy and paste msnbc of cnn.

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     Good comeback with the laughing emojis. Why don't you put some substance to it please. Not opinions but facts. I beg you to show me how Biden is a better President then Trump was. Think for yourself though. Do your own research and don't copy and paste msnbc of cnn.

     
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     I just looked up all of your pat posts....you are a lost cause. You are to far gone to have a a legit opinion. I'm looking for the Trump haters that also can admit the sleepy Joe is a terrible president.

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     I just looked up all of your pat posts....you are a lost cause. You are to far gone to have a a legit opinion. I'm looking for the Trump haters that also can admit the sleepy Joe is a terrible president.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rookie711:

    I beg you to show me how Biden is a better President then Trump was.

    Siena college survey of historians overall rank Trump 43rd and Biden 19th best out of 46 presidents.  Trump only outrank Biden in luck and risk taking.  But Biden rank higher in all other qualities.  Executive ability, leadership, intelligence, handling of economy, communication, vision, relation with congress, appointments, avoiding mistakes, international relations and accomplishments.

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    I beg you to show me how Biden is a better President then Trump was.

    Siena college survey of historians overall rank Trump 43rd and Biden 19th best out of 46 presidents.  Trump only outrank Biden in luck and risk taking.  But Biden rank higher in all other qualities.  Executive ability, leadership, intelligence, handling of economy, communication, vision, relation with congress, appointments, avoiding mistakes, international relations and accomplishments.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    ... And that should tell you all you need to know about the left's ambitions to " get Trump. "  Sure, Trump's no angel, but he is not a crime boss like those others ...    Two-tiered justice system anyone  ?

    Not too bright, huh? Lol 

    Yeah, he just had 70 boxes of classified material and is on record about having it. Then he said he declassified all of it. Then he denied having to declassify any of it. Then he said he didn’t declassify all of it because he didn’t have to. Then there’s the audio recordings of his voice bragging about classified material that he could get in trouble for, authenticated by numerous witnesses under penalty of perjury.

    But please do tell how Joe Biden is a doddering old Dotard who is too confused to stay awake, but has also masterfully orchestrated a two-tiered justice system full of Trump-appointed judges??? 

    Your comment also ignores the fact that Hunter Biden is being prosecuted by the feds. Sorry, didn’t mean all these facts to get in the way of your barely-coherent narrative.

    Clown shoes man, you’re effin clown shoes bruh.

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    ... And that should tell you all you need to know about the left's ambitions to " get Trump. "  Sure, Trump's no angel, but he is not a crime boss like those others ...    Two-tiered justice system anyone  ?

    Not too bright, huh? Lol 

    Yeah, he just had 70 boxes of classified material and is on record about having it. Then he said he declassified all of it. Then he denied having to declassify any of it. Then he said he didn’t declassify all of it because he didn’t have to. Then there’s the audio recordings of his voice bragging about classified material that he could get in trouble for, authenticated by numerous witnesses under penalty of perjury.

    But please do tell how Joe Biden is a doddering old Dotard who is too confused to stay awake, but has also masterfully orchestrated a two-tiered justice system full of Trump-appointed judges??? 

    Your comment also ignores the fact that Hunter Biden is being prosecuted by the feds. Sorry, didn’t mean all these facts to get in the way of your barely-coherent narrative.

    Clown shoes man, you’re effin clown shoes bruh.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @Rush51  Oh I dont see it that way. I see it as he puts a MASSIVE target on his back based on how he treats other people and that has him in a very bad position right now. If you abuse others, dont be surprised when others REMEMBER that and now are more aware of your actions and will be happy to enforce the law at every opportunity. You see most all things as right vs left, I see it as an abusive person getting some recourse based on awful actions and a lack of consideration and respect for others let alone the position. This is also why I will not blindly side with Biden as you do with Trump, I dont care what party the person is, I dont care what the other side is doing so blah blah blah I look at the actions of the person and that alone. Trump deserves all he has piled on him and so so so much more.

    What? You mean insulting every person you ever hired and quickly fired (and did that a LOT) in a four year period has consequences? Noooooo, Trump is all about taking responsibility for messes he created. Just look at the time he admitted responsibility for … ummm … ummm … ok SQUIRREL!!!!

    OBAMA! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! TREASON! LOCKHERUP! MEXICO WILL PAY FOR THE WALL! TRUMP HATES SUCKER POWS! BEST AND BRIGHTEST (until he fired them for thinking for themselves).

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    @Rush51  Oh I dont see it that way. I see it as he puts a MASSIVE target on his back based on how he treats other people and that has him in a very bad position right now. If you abuse others, dont be surprised when others REMEMBER that and now are more aware of your actions and will be happy to enforce the law at every opportunity. You see most all things as right vs left, I see it as an abusive person getting some recourse based on awful actions and a lack of consideration and respect for others let alone the position. This is also why I will not blindly side with Biden as you do with Trump, I dont care what party the person is, I dont care what the other side is doing so blah blah blah I look at the actions of the person and that alone. Trump deserves all he has piled on him and so so so much more.

    What? You mean insulting every person you ever hired and quickly fired (and did that a LOT) in a four year period has consequences? Noooooo, Trump is all about taking responsibility for messes he created. Just look at the time he admitted responsibility for … ummm … ummm … ok SQUIRREL!!!!

    OBAMA! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! TREASON! LOCKHERUP! MEXICO WILL PAY FOR THE WALL! TRUMP HATES SUCKER POWS! BEST AND BRIGHTEST (until he fired them for thinking for themselves).

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: ... And that should tell you all you need to know about the left's ambitions to " get Trump. "  Sure, Trump's no angel, but he is not a crime boss like those others ...    Two-tiered justice system anyone  ? Not too bright, huh? Lol  Yeah, he just had 70 boxes of classified material and is on record about having it. Then he said he declassified all of it. Then he denied having to declassify any of it. Then he said he didn’t declassify all of it because he didn’t have to. Then there’s the audio recordings of his voice bragging about classified material that he could get in trouble for, authenticated by numerous witnesses under penalty of perjury. But please do tell how Joe Biden is a doddering old Dotard who is too confused to stay awake, but has also masterfully orchestrated a two-tiered justice system full of Trump-appointed judges??? Your comment also ignores the fact that Hunter Biden is being prosecuted by the feds. Sorry, didn’t mean all these facts to get in the way of your barely-coherent narrative. Clown shoes man, you’re effin clown shoes bruh.

    The DOJ is doing the equivalent of throwing spaghetti on the wall, hoping at least 1 of the charges sticks to put Trump away for good..., and oh yeah, it seriously puts a dent in his ability to campaign as well.  But count yourself as another individual too dense to see the big picture about the DEMs goal to put him away.

    Speaking of clowns ,..thejester.  Stop embarassing yourself.. lol. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: ... And that should tell you all you need to know about the left's ambitions to " get Trump. "  Sure, Trump's no angel, but he is not a crime boss like those others ...    Two-tiered justice system anyone  ? Not too bright, huh? Lol  Yeah, he just had 70 boxes of classified material and is on record about having it. Then he said he declassified all of it. Then he denied having to declassify any of it. Then he said he didn’t declassify all of it because he didn’t have to. Then there’s the audio recordings of his voice bragging about classified material that he could get in trouble for, authenticated by numerous witnesses under penalty of perjury. But please do tell how Joe Biden is a doddering old Dotard who is too confused to stay awake, but has also masterfully orchestrated a two-tiered justice system full of Trump-appointed judges??? Your comment also ignores the fact that Hunter Biden is being prosecuted by the feds. Sorry, didn’t mean all these facts to get in the way of your barely-coherent narrative. Clown shoes man, you’re effin clown shoes bruh.

    The DOJ is doing the equivalent of throwing spaghetti on the wall, hoping at least 1 of the charges sticks to put Trump away for good..., and oh yeah, it seriously puts a dent in his ability to campaign as well.  But count yourself as another individual too dense to see the big picture about the DEMs goal to put him away.

    Speaking of clowns ,..thejester.  Stop embarassing yourself.. lol. 

     
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     Ok so your answer which the question was asked several times is that the charges have no merit, the many many many charges have no merit and Trump holds no responsibility it is all fake news liberal media right versus left here.

    It isnt like we dont know already, you are not objective or clear on an issue to even consider validity, truth, reality, logic it is all right vs left.

    Trump did this and so much more to himself and you cant shift narrative or blame Biden or like so many silly kids do the "Well Biden did XYZPDQ" deflection, there are more than enough Biden is awful threads and your lack of being able to hold Trump accountable for his actions and his abuses is quite clear.

    I want ANY politician or public official who has questionable or outright abuses to be held accountable just the same as any US citizen could/would. So that includes Rudy it includes Thomas it includes Trump and Bush and Biden it includes Pelosi it includes that wack job in New York it includes Arpaio down here or any public official, not DEM or REPUB it is all and your toilet leader is on the top of that list.

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     Ok so your answer which the question was asked several times is that the charges have no merit, the many many many charges have no merit and Trump holds no responsibility it is all fake news liberal media right versus left here.

    It isnt like we dont know already, you are not objective or clear on an issue to even consider validity, truth, reality, logic it is all right vs left.

    Trump did this and so much more to himself and you cant shift narrative or blame Biden or like so many silly kids do the "Well Biden did XYZPDQ" deflection, there are more than enough Biden is awful threads and your lack of being able to hold Trump accountable for his actions and his abuses is quite clear.

    I want ANY politician or public official who has questionable or outright abuses to be held accountable just the same as any US citizen could/would. So that includes Rudy it includes Thomas it includes Trump and Bush and Biden it includes Pelosi it includes that wack job in New York it includes Arpaio down here or any public official, not DEM or REPUB it is all and your toilet leader is on the top of that list.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @Rush51  Ok so your answer is that the many many many charges have no merit and Trump holds no responsibility

    it is all fake news liberal media

    right versus left here.

    It's alarming that many millions in the country actually share those same views inspite of the facts

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    @Rush51  Ok so your answer is that the many many many charges have no merit and Trump holds no responsibility

    it is all fake news liberal media

    right versus left here.

    It's alarming that many millions in the country actually share those same views inspite of the facts

     
     
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         Disgraced former President Donald Trump -
    currently indicted on 91 serious felony charges -
    has lost the first of several attempts to throw out
    a lawsuit that seeks to block him from the 2024
    presidential ballot in Colorado,
    based on the 14th Amendment’s prohibition
    against insurrectionists holding public office.

      Colorado District Judge Sarah Wallace this week
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    Fri October 13
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         Disgraced former President Donald Trump -
    currently indicted on 91 serious felony charges -
    has lost the first of several attempts to throw out
    a lawsuit that seeks to block him from the 2024
    presidential ballot in Colorado,
    based on the 14th Amendment’s prohibition
    against insurrectionists holding public office.

      Colorado District Judge Sarah Wallace this week
    rejected Trump’s bid to get the lawsuit dismissed. an_clap

     

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